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Krell
August 16th, 2005, 06:14 PM
Tuesday August 9, 2005 by Edward W. Felten

A recent white paper (http://download.microsoft.com/download/5/D/6/5D6EAF2B-7DDF-476B-93DC-7CF0072878E6/output_protect.doc) (2MB Word file) from Microsoft details the planned “output content protection” in the upcoming Windows Vista (previously known as Longhorn) operating system product. It’s a remarkable document, illustrating the real costs of Hollywood’s quest to redesign the PC’s video hardware and software.

The document reveals that movie studios will have explicit veto power over what is included in some parts of Vista. For example, pages 22-24 describe the “High Bandwidth Cipher” which will be used to encrypt video data is it passes across the PC’s internal PCIe bus. Hollywood will allow the use of the AES cipher, but many PCs won’t be able to run AES fast enough, leading to stutter in the video. People are free to design their own ciphers, but they must go through an approval process before being included in Windows Vista. The second criterion for acceptance is this:


Content industry acceptance

The evidence must be presented to Hollywood and other content owners, and they must agree that it provides the required level of security. Written proof from at least three of the major Hollywood studios is required.


The document also describes how rational designs are made more expensive and complicated, or ruled out entirely, by the “robustness” rules Hollywood is demanding. Here’s an example, from page 27:



Given the data throughput possible with PCIe, there is a new class of discrete graphics cards that, to reduce costs, do not have much memory on the board. They use system memory accessed over the PCIe bus.


In the limit, this lack of local memory means that, for example, to decode, de-interlace, and render a frame of HD may require that an HD frame be sent backward and forward over the PCIe bus many times — it could be as many as 10 times.

The frames of premium content are required to be [encrypted] as they pass over the PCIe bus to system memory, and decrypted when they safely return to the graphics chip. It is the responsibility of the graphics chip to perform the encryption and decryption.



Depending on the hardware implementation, the on-chip cipher engine [which wouldn’t be necessary absent the “robustness” requirements] might, or might not, go fast enough to encrypt the 3 GByte/sec (in each direction) memory data bandwidth.


These are just a few examples from a document that describes one compromise after another, in which performance, cost, and flexibility are sacrificed in a futile effort to prevent video content from leaking to the darknet. And the cost is high. As just one example, nearly all of us will have to discard our PC’s monitors and buy new ones to take advantage of new features that Microsoft could provide — more easily and at lower cost — on our existing monitors, if Hollywood would only allow it.


There can be little doubt that Microsoft is doing this because Hollywood demands it; and there won’t be much doubt among independent security experts that none of these compromises will make a dent in the availability of infringing video online. Law-abiding people will be paying more for PCs, and doing less with them, because of the Hollywood-decreed micromanagement of graphics system design.

http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/?p=882

CLICK THE GD BOLD RED (http://download.microsoft.com/download/5/D/6/5D6EAF2B-7DDF-476B-93DC-7CF0072878E6/output_protect.doc) LINK AND READ IT
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Brassen
August 16th, 2005, 06:24 PM
One more reason why I'm sticking with XP...

Does anybody knows the system specs needed to run Vista properly? I read somewhere that it would use a different video system, meaning users would be required to acquire new video cards... Is this correct?

Cheers,

cpugeniusmv
August 16th, 2005, 06:38 PM
users would be required to acquire new video cards... Is this correct?

Minimum system requirements will not be known until summer 2006 at the earliest. However, these guidelines provide useful estimates:

512 megabytes (MB) or more of RAM
A dedicated graphics card with DirectX® 9.0 support
A modern, Intel Pentium- or AMD Athlon-based PC.
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/newsroom/winxp/VistaBeta1FS.mspx

(So no, not correct)

Krell
August 16th, 2005, 06:47 PM
Well . . yes, and no.

I warned you that there is pressure on all manufacturers to comply and agree on standards for hardware protection, which is precluded to in this article. While the Vista BETA may not be provisioned to utilize this, when hardware manufacturers start shipping enabled products, this "feature" could be turned on.


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.:sp00ky:.
August 16th, 2005, 06:48 PM
"Minimum system requirements will not be known until summer 2006 at the earliest."


the betas are not using anythng new at the moment.

shawners
August 16th, 2005, 08:14 PM
How can they control movies being downloaded with a bandwidth monitor??? All movies i download are in PARTS, WINRAR 50meg parts.. Too small to stutter or suffer and too small to detect or change. .There is gonna be hacks and bios flashing to allow to turn it on or off.

Krell
August 16th, 2005, 09:19 PM
Why download it, if it will not play on your system?

Brassen
August 16th, 2005, 09:35 PM
By the way, I just came across this at TorrentSpy (http://torrentspy.com/default.asp#Windows%20Vista:%20There's%20Glamour,% 20but%20not%20much%20Security)

What are the minimum PC requirements to run and install Windows Vista?

Vista's graphical interface requires a lot of processor horsepower, and a stand-alone graphics card with DirectX 9.0 is recommended, along with at least 512 MB of DRAM and what Microsoft describes as a "modern" Intel Pentium or AMD Athlon processor.

The beta 1 version ran slowly on our test PC with an Athlon XP 2800 processor and 1 GB of DRAM with an ATI Radeon 9600 graphics card. However, Microsoft's developers will likely add improvements for a faster, smoother version before beta 2's release.

Finally, you will need a DVD drive to install Windows Vista yourself, as the operating system does not come on a CD.

cheers

CompuGeek
August 16th, 2005, 10:09 PM
How can they control movies being downloaded with a bandwidth monitor??? All movies i download are in PARTS, WINRAR 50meg parts.. Too small to stutter or suffer and too small to detect or change. .There is gonna be hacks and bios flashing to allow to turn it on or off.

This technology does not affect pirated videos you get off p2p.
It protects high definition content after you pay money for it.
They are trying to stop the original source from being copied.

Krell
August 16th, 2005, 10:50 PM
They are trying to stop the original source from being copied.

Right, and when MS and Hollywod has it their way, the original source will be OUR PC, and DRM will curb file trading.