Lets make a P2P Prog.

[Platinum Theory]

I think we should make a P2P program. Why Not? I can't do it because, I'm in America. The RIAA would shut me down faster than a hot potato!! And I'm trying to learn C++. I Just think its a good idea.

**This post has been translated into English. The original post was in the language informally known as Ebonics.***

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[cmyden]

The RIAA can't 'shut you down' for creating a P2P program.

Having an Internet connection is not illegal.

P2P technology is not illegal.

Programming is not illegal.

Over at UberNet we are going to be creating our own custom P2P client using what we feel are the best qualities of each of the P2P clients currently available.

The focus of our client is going to be on maintaining the quality of music being shared.

chris
http://www.ChrisMyden.com

[Caitlyn Marble]

do it. don't be intimidated by ms. rosen. though if you actually intend to put the program out for mass adoration, and somehow it builds up a population of a around 100000 people, I'd suggest moving operations to Canada. Or Mexico.

[method]

Or just develop the network so that it's decentralized!! ;)

or...

if it is centralized, make it so the indexing/relay node(s) can be run independantly.. like hubs on Filetopia, Direct Connect, etc.. this way the potential life of your program is increased dramatically.

and yeah.. one point.. do NOT give up!!! - I'm working on a p2p project right now, the only reason it exists is because the RIAA took AudioGalaxy down and I wanted to do something against them in retaliation... don't worry about ugly bitches called Hilary either.. with the exception of the psychological damage seeing her pig-ugly face causes.. she can't hurt developers... ;)

(no offence to pigs!)

Also, if you do try to develop a p2p app.. don't take any notice of those who say there are already too many p2p apps out there.. choice is good.. especially when more choices mean we can pick and choose between clean or spyware-infested products, and besides, the majority of the p2p apps out there are essentially clones of other apps, even running on the same protocol... So if you're doing something new, rather than a clone client, kewl.

Good luck to all who embark on p2p projects.. I'm out.. lunchbreak is disappearing quickly... peace!!

[lennox1]

Well this is probably an old thread but you know can using GnucDNA.:fire :hole

[method]

Is that the Gnutella clone construction kit??

Was also wondering.. what changes are they going to make to the gnutella network to make it larger/faster/etc?? Just heard there were gonna be changes but not the actual details!? ('jus curious!)

[Jared592]

If anyone's listening, I think that using the KISS (Keep it Simple Stupid) method is the way to go. Don't worry about media players and other pointless crap. Light and Fast (and scaleable)

[CCSDUDE]

Originally posted by Jared592
If anyone's listening, I think that using the KISS (Keep it Simple Stupid) method is the way to go. Don't worry about media players and other pointless crap. Light and Fast (and scaleable)


So.....make it Napster with the ability to share all file types....with mutli source downloading an a decentralized network.

Make it look exactly like Napster too! LOL Bring the luvable alien back! Or whatever there logo is......




Peace all, Later

[guido123]

If you worie about getting prosucuted by the RIAA do what fasttrack dith: they where prosecuted by buma stemra (the dutch RIaa): but they sold the technology before they could be convicted to sharman. If you transfer the ownership of the software every time a company is prosecuted it becomes almost impossible to hold anybody responsible for any copyrights violations.

[CCSDUDE]

Originally posted by guido123
If you worie about getting prosucuted by the RIAA do what fasttrack dith: they where prosecuted by buma stemra (the dutch RIaa): but they sold the technology before they could be convicted to sharman. If you transfer the ownership of the software every time a company is prosecuted it becomes almost impossible to hold anybody responsible for any copyrights violations.


Have to luv the slow court systems..... :shy

[Jowls]

If in any way possible (I cant quite think of how...) make your new P2P program so that it is impossible to ferret out the real IP-addresses of the people that share files.

Those :ass lawyers seems to become ever more efficient when it comes to shutting people down.

regards,
Jowls

[CCSDUDE]

Originally posted by Jowls
If in any way possible (I cant quite think of how...) make your new P2P program so that it is impossible to ferret out the real IP-addresses of the people that share files.

Those :ass lawyers seems to become ever more efficient when it comes to shutting people down.

regards,
Jowls

Hate to bring you bad news, but no theres no way in hell that you can do it.
(1) To send or recieve a file you need a 'mailbox' (IP address) to send or get the packet(s) in question.
(2) You can keep the IP hidden like fasttrack seems to do. But anyone with alittle smarts can just netstat your ass and track down which IP is yours.

BTW: Courts are slow....once one is shut down another non-profit P2P program will pop up. And with most BB connections having IP's that are shared (change everytime you log on) it's a bitch to track people down. Plus most (good) ISP's refuse to help the RIAA since they enjoy there nice little $50+ a month nut from each user.


Peace all, Later

[Jowls]

Originally posted by CCSDUDE

>> Hate to bring you bad news, but no theres no way in hell that you can do it...
>> BTW: Courts are slow....once one is shut down another non-profit P2P program will pop up...

Well CCS,

as good ol' Sean says: never say never... :devil

Actually me and a couple of buddies have done some brainstorming and a few promising ideas have surfaced. One of the main strategies would be to separate the actual file cache from the file list, since it is not illegal to merely broadcast a list of songs or movies... We believe that we might have found a way to do just that, but its still in the very early planning.

As far as the slow courts go, I see a growing tendency that ISP's are intimidated by the lawyer gangs into warning - and ultimately cutting off - proven copyright offenders. There is nothing in the constitution about a mans right to an internet connection, so if the ISP is cooperating with the lawyers, there is not much you can do, court or no court.

The tools and techniques for tracking down poor filesharerers are bound to become ever slicker and more efficient. Theres a whole f...... industry of so called "internet detectives" growing out there.

If we dont manage to counter all this, I fear that within a few years P2P will either die or recede back into nerd-dom...


regards,
Jowls

[method]

Hiding IPs totally needn't be the argument.. thing is.. if we use relay nodes (like filetopia offers, and soon other networks, well, at least one!!) you can cast doubt over the reliability of evidence gained by anti-copyright-theft organisations and their "datamining" operations...

There... that's all!! ;)

[jolton]

hey everyone...
no matter what steps the courts, riaa, or anyone does for that matter, p2p will never be gone...it's too late now. I could see it happening years back if they started their campaign to end it then, but now the codes are too open and the numbers too big.

That doesn't mean they will not stop to end p2p. However they won't do it by spending an exhorbant amount of time to track down users or corrupt masses of files, or by means of shutting down thru the courts (whatever country). No instead they will go to the root of the problem and try to make it harder to get the music, movie , game, ect...copied in order to be shared. With conjuction to hardware and some software manufactures, and if laws pass that make this so, it will be a unified effort to accomplish this......but it's too late is my feeling...

[Afn]

Well CCS,

as good ol' Sean says: never say never... :devil

If we dont manage to counter all this, I fear that within a few years P2P will either die or recede back into nerd-dom...


regards,
Jowls


No, I think intelectual property is doomed. P2P or P3P, the next generation will distroy property as we know it.