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dubstylee
June 7th, 2005, 03:46 PM
Perhaps this story should be titled "Is NPD and the collective news media smoking crack?"

They are claiming that WinMX is the most popular source for downloading music on the internet, followed closely by iTunes. Their metric for this is that "2.1 million households" downloaded at least one song off WinMX. That's funny, I can log on to eDonkey RIGHT NOW and see more than 4 million users online at this very second. Where does the donkey appear in NPD's paper? It doesn't. Their top 5 is rounded out by Limewire, KaZaA, and BearShare (no effort to combine the 2 gnutella clients). But I'm sure the mighty NPD is right, all those millions of users are probably just chatting or something, not downloading music. Seriously, do they just make this stuff up? Or ask their kids? Or what?

Why would they make such an audacious claim in the face of staggering evidence to the contrary? The answer is old school media. You see, before technology made our lives infinitely easier, someone came up with the idea of a "representative sample." Basically, the theory is that it is impossible to measure the entire population accurately so let's just take a small sample of the people out there, measure every little detail of what they do, then extrapolate that data and apply it to the general population.Gee, that was a great idea - in 1965. Quote from the NPD MusicWatch Digital: "NPD MusicWatch Digital collects information continuously from the PCs of 40,000 members of NPD's online consumer panel, balanced demographically to represent the online population." Wow 40,000? Gosh that must have taken you forever. Great job NPD, great investigative reporting there.

Ever wonder why the **AA looks so clueless when giving their soundbytes to the press? "Music industry executives, entertainment technology companies and retailers use NPD MusicWatch Digital information to answer their most important questions about digital music acquisition and use." Oh, that explains it.

Shame on the mainstream media for buying this load. Shame on them for not looking at real statistics, just taking the easy way out and buying a "marketing demographic report" from NPD and reporting it as news. This is not reporting people, this is reprinting information that someone has handed you and said, "Oh yeah that's probably true."

Read the complete article (http://www.zeropaid.com/news/5459/WinMX+the+Most+Popular+Music+Download+Service%3F/)

boogiedan
June 7th, 2005, 03:49 PM
wher's Ares, Soulseek, sharaza etc................

Wipeout
June 7th, 2005, 03:52 PM
WinMX was good but it's starting to get more and more fake files.

dubstylee
June 7th, 2005, 03:59 PM
I actually heard about this NPD report on May 27th, when an editor (http://www.writenews.com/2000/050500_forbes_dicarlo.htm) from forbes.com emailed me asking why WinMX was the most popular music downloading service. I blogged about it then (http://chrishedgecock.com/blog/?postid=34), but no one listens to me.

:devil2

The Hunter
June 7th, 2005, 04:02 PM
This is either sad, funny, or both. I was as close to being a WinMX fanboy as you could get, but when the ques reached a staggering length, even I had to bail out.

bobhss
June 7th, 2005, 04:13 PM
Maybe it's better that eDonkey, Ares, Soulseek, etc don't show up. Less of a blip on anyone's radar?

ducttapeBigSexy
June 7th, 2005, 04:15 PM
In statistics, you should always look at what you come up with, and see if it's reasonable. Apparently the people at NPD slept through that class...

crackerjacker
June 7th, 2005, 05:14 PM
most popular for music =
hmm
dogster

notbob
June 7th, 2005, 05:19 PM
well, if they are looking at the general public, why not?

the general public are years behind us

maybe it's another sad comment on how technologically illiterate John Q. Public is

The Hunter
June 7th, 2005, 05:37 PM
I still cant believe it, as most of the rubes I come in contact with are using Kazaa. One guy recently told me that he was having problems with downloading songs on Kazaa, as most of them wouldnt play. All this suffering, and he was using phonelines.

MrGonzo
June 7th, 2005, 05:40 PM
I really dont know why Ares isn't up there, its fucking awsome! Ive never have a problem finding what I want there!

The Hunter
June 7th, 2005, 05:49 PM
Shsssh, now you know you cant find anything on Ares.

crackerjacker
June 7th, 2005, 07:05 PM
Shsssh, now you know you cant find anything on Ares.
that is why arent u glad your using our private p2p network hunter :)
shhh i should of not said that

imok*
cheerz

dubstylee
June 7th, 2005, 10:57 PM
Update:

NPD Press Release (http://www.npd.com/dynamic/releases/press_050607.html)

p2pnet article (http://p2pnet.net/story/5128) - with good quotes from Limewire COO Greg Bildson

"I mean we get 6,000,000 or more downloads a month so we’ve got to assume that we’re in more than 1.7 million households. I don’t think iTunes is getting six million downloads a month on the software itself.”

Christoph
June 8th, 2005, 02:01 AM
Let them search on WinMx for people downloading music!*looool

ccc1005
June 8th, 2005, 08:49 AM
Check out this next article by Cnet on the figures, they linked back here!


http://news.com.com/2060-10799_3-0.html?tag=nefd.bl

dubstylee
June 8th, 2005, 10:20 AM
holy **** did we just make a difference? First Cnet pulls the story from their homepage, then Borland posts a semi-retraction on his blog? Crazy.

The Hunter
June 8th, 2005, 11:13 AM
They linked back here? Ok everyone put on clean undies, and deoderent. LOL

Digital Bliss
June 8th, 2005, 11:22 AM
......................... need i say more?

littlebits
June 8th, 2005, 10:13 PM
I was just wondering, I haven't use WinMX in many years. Does WinMX say on the program how many users are online? At one time I read that WinMX has over 2 million users but that was back a few years ago. I don't believe WinMX even comes close to that now. I also noticed that they didn't say anything about BitTorrent clients which probably has more users than eDonkey network. With the number of users on Slycks data, plus the fact that on download.com that LimeWire is the most downloaded P2P program currently still at #2 whereas WinMX and iTunes are not even in the top 50 downloads, makes me wonder how they came up with this theory that WinMX is the most popular.

ThankYou :icon_thum

DwarfBaby
June 8th, 2005, 11:13 PM
#1 my ass. WinMx has had serious distribution problems since it’s beginning and they have only gotten worse.

The problem with WinMX is not leachers or people on 56k modems. I’ve downloaded many rare songs at high bit rates. The average wait time per song was between 20 - 45 minutes. No Big deal right , I'll just type in the next song and move along. However, if I had to wait 30 minutes behind a dozen people, why is that when I download that particular song NO ONE downloads this same song from me to decrease the load from the original sharer. This is an algorithm problem or search problem NOT a network or leacher problem. WinMx is the past, let it die. It’s programmers have done nothing to fix it’s queue problems. After more then 3 years all we get is an update to our library which no one cares about.

The #1 file sharing network just like Earth Station 5. Unfortunately, propaganda does not equal results. WinMx is dead just like Kaazzaa or however they’ll spell it next.

craigm
June 9th, 2005, 08:05 AM
So these are all apps where you search for a file, find some listings, and download. Does anyone know any file sharing utility where I can share ONLY WITH SPECIFIC email addresses or designated friends? I don't want to be on a p2p network, but I want to be able to share my files with my own friends. It's kind of like running a shared folder, but without the firewall issues and all those. Would appreciate ideas. Thanks.

craigm
June 9th, 2005, 08:13 AM
The #1 file sharing network just like Earth Station 5. Unfortunately, propaganda does not equal results. WinMx is dead just like Kaazzaa or however they’ll spell it next.

Unless you read what's going on with ES5 - http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=678

But you're right about WinMX, it's history.

zarquon
June 11th, 2005, 05:57 PM
Who uses winmx anymore?

Travis982
June 12th, 2005, 03:33 PM
Sorta off topic, but one of my friends got solicited into joining that Neilsons ratings survey stuff. It installed a resident programme that tracks everywhere he goes on the net and WHAT HE DOWNLOADS! Definitely not good.

It seems these survey companies only gather the info their clients want to hear anyway.

Wipeout
June 12th, 2005, 03:39 PM
I really dont know why Ares isn't up there, its fucking awsome! Ive never have a problem finding what I want there!
You can always find a music file that you want in WinMX. Some rare music files are hard to find in ares.

TiaKo
June 14th, 2005, 04:30 PM
If we're just talking about single music tracks: then a combination of Limewire and Soulseek works for me - if the song I want isn't on one, it's usually on the other!

Ares was good for me for a while but had connections issues so gave up with it....

Excrement_Cranium
June 14th, 2005, 08:18 PM
They linked back here? Ok everyone put on clean undies, and deoderent. LOL

I just dirtied them properly, must I really change them?

evilmegaman
June 14th, 2005, 10:39 PM
those NPD people must have studied for at least 10 minutes. or maybe I'm giving them too much credit

ejerome710
October 5th, 2005, 07:30 AM
Please, tell me how can I freely dowload music on WinMx? Tell it to me step by step.