Nintendo DS VS PSP

[Christoph]

Wich one do you think is the best to buy?

[evilmegaman]

I have both and I can tell you, Get the psp. It has more games, More games coming out, And way more features. I have a DS and a PSP so I am not talking out of my ass. I have had 20 times more fun with my psp than my DS.

[Miniver]

There's just no question. Psp is by far the better system.

[FinalSolace]

actually heres the figures for DS software sales versus PSP

Japan
weekend daily sales - Who can stop the puppies? #1
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30/04

1 PS2 Romancing Saga: Minstrel's song Square Enix RPG 2005/4/21
2 NDS Nintendogs Shiba & friends Nintendo SLG 2005/4/21
3 NDS Naruto: Saikyou Ninja Daikesshuu 3 For DS Tommy ACT 2005/4/21
4 NDS Nintendogs Dachshund & friends Nintendo SLG 2005/4/21
5 NDS Nintendogs chihuahua & friends Nintendo SLG 2005/4/21
6 GC Fire Emblem: Souen no Kiseki Nintendo SLG 2005/4/20
7 PS2 Mobile Suit Gundam: The One Year War Bandai STG 2005/4/7
8 PS2 Live baseball 2005 Namco SPT 2005/4/21
9 PS2 Professional baseball spirits 2 Konami SPT 2005/4/7
10 NDS Touch! Kirby Nintendo ACT 2005/3/24
11 GBA The Tower SP Nintendo SLG 2005/4/28
12 PS2 World soccer winning eleven 8 Liveware evolution Konami SPT 2005/3/24
13 PS2 King adventure Bitodarcnessenture Bandai RPG 2005/4/28
14 GBA Rockman 04 Capcom ACT 2005/4/21
15 PSP The derby time Sony computer entertainment SLG 2005/4/21
16 NDS Touch! Made in Wario Nintendo ETC 2004/12/2
17 PSP Shutoko Battle Vigour SPT 2005/4/21
18 GBA ONE PIECE dragon dream. Bandai RPG 2005/4/28
19 PS2 Tengai Makyou III: Namida Hudson RPG 2005/4/14
20 PS2 Tekken 5 Namco ACT 2005/3/31

1/05

1 NDS Naruto: Saikyou Ninja Daikesshuu 3 For DS Tommy ACT 2005/4/21
2 NDS Nintendogs Shiba & friends Nintendo SLG 2005/4/21
3 NDS Nintendogs Dachshund & friends Nintendo SLG 2005/4/21
4 NDS Nintendogs chihuahua & friends Nintendo SLG 2005/4/21
5 PS2 Mobile Suit Gundam: The One Year War Bandai STG 2005/4/7
6 PS2 Live baseball 2005Namco SPT 2005/4/21
7 GC Fire Emblem: Souen no Kiseki Nintendo SLG 2005/4/20
8 PS2 Romancing Saga: Minstrel's song Square Enix RPG 2005/4/21
9 GBA Rockman 04 Capcom ACT 2005/4/21
10 PS2 Professional baseball spirits 2 Konami SPT 2005/4/7
11 PS2 King adventure Bitodarcnessenture Bandai RPG 2005/4/28
12 NDS Touch! kirby Nintendo ACT 2005/3/24
13 PS2 World soccer winning eleven 8 Liveware evolution Konami SPT 2005/3/24
14 NDS Touch! Made in Wario Nintendo ETC 2004/12/2
15 GBA The Tower SP Nintendo SLG 2005/4/28
16 PSP Shutoko Battle Vigour SPT 2005/4/21
17 GBA ONE PIECE dragon dream. Bandai RPG 2005/4/28
18 PSP The derby time Sony computer entertainment SLG 2005/4/21
19 PS2 Tengai Makyou III: Namida Hudson RPG 2005/4/14
20 NDS Harvest Moon: Korobockle Station Marvelous interactive SLG 2005/3/17

at the begginning of PSP's launch it was creaming DS on weekly sales, but as a new barrage of killer apps and good games arrived for DS- the DS began to out sell PSP by 5:1

currently world wide theres been an explosion in DS sales in all the major regions- cant remember the figure. but current sale of PSP vs DS are

DS 6 million with another 5 million shipped international
PSP 1.6 million.

PSP software is mediocre at best- the only title that maybe worth something is lumines witch is a puzzle game- but for the extortionate price of a handheld device that is poor quality in design (no matter how sexy it looks) doesn't justify a perchase


and this is no accident.

the games currently out for the PSP are severely over rated- lets look at ridge racer and wipeout pure for instance- nobody plays wipeout anymore and has become a niche game- if you played wipeout in the past pay your $45-50 for the game- it gets boring very quickly

ridge racer was good in its time but after a 2 days of play the game is old and the controlls on the cars become poor and the speeds are just crazy- plus it has the most unnatural corning mechanism of any game


coupled with the many defects of the PSP's themselves theres a good chance that your's will be defected- theres a 1 in 5 chance- defects are split between, dead screen pixels, damaged slightly ajay UMD lids, dust under the what is poor quality screen protector, including Square buttons that get stuck.


the PSP screen is incredibly susceptable to scratches if you take your eye off it for even a second. the screen protector covering is one of the cheapest and poorest ones in the industry. DS doesn't suffer from this as its a clamshell design- plus if you buy even a softer stylus then the one provided scratches are 100% impossible with the screen even if you bash the screen hard with a soft stylus.


theres rumours created by hype that PSP would see a price drop soon- the verdict is higly unlikely- the chips themselves cost alot to manufacture and take time to manufacture too as they are designed for multimedia application- theres already a thin spreadage of the PSP in america and Japan- plus they are losing loads of money on PSP's sold- (even with the exhorbitant cost of the device) sony have invested too much money into the PSP it was rushed- sony's credit rating has dropped- they lost loads of money on the PSX DVD recorder and the whole electronics devision of sony is suffering- the head of Sony entertainment was demoted- the costs of the new chip CELL processor for PS3 plus investment is sky high and threated by Xbox too which lowers equity PUT bluntly sony are suffering and a price drop on either the games or the unit itself is suicide.


DS is going online in october using a new free service that can be accessed at hotspots in the city or linked to a $15- 24 dollar wi fi adapter that can be linked to a computer to play future games like metroid fusion multiplayer- bomberman- animal crossing DS- Golden eye- pokemon- plus loads more i forget to mention some of which are set to be AAA titles.

plus the guy above made it out as if theres gonna be alot more games for the PSP-


actually 3rd party support is skyrocketing again due to DS's succsess and the current number of DS release titles completely eclipse PSP offerings that are a whole series of rehashes - stripped down franchise versions at the same expensive prices.


the movie capability of the PSP is nealy useless- movies are priced at $25- 30
and the UMD FORMAT IS NOT SUPPORTED BY HARDLY ANY OF THE BIGGEST MOVIE STUDIOS.
which is sad and only equates to around 25 movies. the best of which is kill bill 1&2 and spiderman 2.

the quality of the movies are not as good as people have made out too.

as UMD in in retro spect not a true universal format that cant be played in any other players the format is doomed to fail misetrably and it means that you cant watch the movie on a nice big TV screen for your money- utterly rediculus.

if you want to listen to MP3's you need a special software- and you have to change the musics format eachtime you load it onto a MEM stick- plus you dont get the Mem stick in the pakage and you will need tom dish out another $25-40


if your buyinhg a handheld for gaming then i suggets you get a DS but if you get a PSP prepare to feel out of wallet unless your a conpulsive spender without regret and you want to look hip in front of hipfad idiots. or if you really are rich then i guess its ok to mark your status with a PSP- but its status a reputable handheld will go down the toilet in what my estimate will be a year and a half after top titles like nintendogs and pokemon come of for DS-

mind you i mention pokemon as it will sell millions of \ds's increasing the user base and meaning youll have alot more people to play via wi-fi

in 2002 pokemon sales had a achieved a staggering 129 million sales- i dont think PSP stands a chance without a killer app. online details are shoddy for the PSP like they were with the PS2 and this looks like a total gimmick and probably wont amount to anything as sony it is bewcoming evident had no prior plans for online functionality in a free user friendly format like what Nintendo is investing in for the DS with its free NO LINE service.

[boogiedan]

Iv'e gone 4 Sony's PSP
but i like nintendo's

[Naweed]

i got a DS and it beats psp to me.my friend bought his psp in and its square button fell out...also he had to get a renewed one which later melted within its shell.to me psp is just over rated cause its SONY.PSP's battery life is kinda cruddy also when i played it and moved it,it jittered and froze....
also the games on PSP to me are more serious but as for nintendo games its all out pure fun ^^.

[moneoa]

the movie capability of the PSP is nealy useless- movies are priced at $25- 30
and the UMD FORMAT IS NOT SUPPORTED BY HARDLY ANY OF THE BIGGEST MOVIE STUDIOS.
which is sad and only equates to around 25 movies. the best of which is kill bill 1&2 and spiderman 2.

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Quit talking out of your ass, Sony owns MGM's movie library, that in itself leaves hundereds of good classics. .

The Studios currently signed on to release material on Sony UMD include Columbia-Tristar, Universal, Mirimax, MGM (no longer a big studio but biigggg lbrary), Buena Vista (Essentially everything Disney)

I hate to tell you but thats pretty much the major players, of course all of them only made 25 movies all together with only Kill Bill being the good one :icon_scra

IF you look at the movie libraries of all the studios listed here you will find most of the blockbusters that have come out in the past years either through the fact that they were the original publishers at the time or they bought out some other competitors library.

The only big player not in there is 20th Century Fox and I am sure they won't mind licesnsing to Sony.

Money talks, lots of money gonna be had in PSP

[Miniver]

Absolute rubbish. The simple fact is that psp has better hardware, better sound, a larger screen, better 3rd party support, mpeg playback, a better control layout, and doesn't rely on gimmicky shit and kids games to sell units. The fact that ds is outselling psp is primarily due to the fact that ds came out earlier and is more established in the marketplace because of it. You spew nothing but inconsequential facts and absolute bullshit. Frankly, you sound like a nintendo employee.

[.:sp00ky:.]

i agree with moneoa miniver your talking crap the hole square button thing was that some of the very first psp's with sticking about which they fixed and if you did have one of the few psp's it effected sony had no problem in changing it for a new 1.

"f your buyinhg a handheld for gaming then i suggets you get a DS but if you get a PSP prepare to feel out of wallet unless your a conpulsive spender without regret and you want to look hip in front of hipfad idiots. or if you really are rich then i guess its ok to mark your status with a PSP- but its status a reputable handheld will go down the toilet in what my estimate will be a year and a half after top titles like nintendogs and pokemon come of for DS-"

lol now thats a true nintendo fanboy, top titles like YET ANOTHER FUCKING POKEMON GAME!!! i think il pass and stick with my psp.

[moneoa]

Frankly, you sound like a nintendo employee.
He might be, he sounds like he read the Nintendo Marketing Handbook. :icon_tong

[broadwayrock]

I am thinking of buying a portable soon and it will probably be the Nintendo DS.

The reasons why are because the PSP as a piece of a hardware doesnt seem portable to me (poor battery life and long loading times) There is no reason for me to buy a portable device that is best suited to be used at home.

None of the games released or being released for it differ that much from PS2 games (a cheap PS2 is also something that i plan to buy soon), GTA for the PSP is the only game im looking forward to on it.

I really want to get Nintendogs, Advanced Wars, Final Fantasy 3, online Animal Crossing and Mario Kart, pc strategy game: Age of Empires II and weird sound experimental game: Electroplankton.

FinalSolace sounds like another twatty fanboy to me. The PSP has sold more than 1.6 million worldwide.

The Sony games division have made a huge amount of money from the PS2 and they wont abandon the PSP in the near future.

They are not 'losing loads of money' on each PSP. The standard price may lose a small amount/break even, but the [un]value pack makes them a very small profit.

Sony like MS with the xbox, plan to make their profit through the games....the UMD movies, and memory sticks. The problem with this plan is that people may buy the PSP for the multimedia abilities rather than the games.

[FinalSolace]

Quit talking out of your ass, Sony owns MGM's movie library, that in itself leaves hundereds of good classics. .

The Studios currently signed on to release material on Sony UMD include Columbia-Tristar, Universal, Mirimax, MGM (no longer a big studio but biigggg lbrary), Buena Vista (Essentially everything Disney)

I hate to tell you but thats pretty much the major players, of course all of them only made 25 movies all together with only Kill Bill being the good one :icon_scra

IF you look at the movie libraries of all the studios listed here you will find most of the blockbusters that have come out in the past years either through the fact that they were the original publishers at the time or they bought out some other competitors library.

The only big player not in there is 20th Century Fox and I am sure they won't mind licesnsing to Sony.

Money talks, lots of money gonna be had in PSP

actually you quit talking out your ass.

universal is in advanced talks=== not a confirmation of support has been released- but the only reason Universal is making enquiry's is because the have been showing of the shit UMD media during Blue ray negotiations which is a cheap way of sliding in UMD- its still too expensive and wont sell.

you can buy 2 AAA DVDs for the Price of a UMD to play in your DVD player.
it is just a gimmick- and people that play games on and off but like the multimedia options will be really dissapointed.

you obviously dont own a psp and are therefore a fanboy

buena vista are not releasing much


EDIT- and as for the other studios, they preety much suck ass- theyre better tittles and few triple AAA have been and gone.

plus MGM is in major debt and the other sony picture houses are threatened also- if psp sells even worse in the comming months the studios profit will sink even further down the toilet! what major movie studios want to be associated with sony- especially as company analyists in the studios have got the psp figures and know that even the sony hype aint working this time.

[.:sp00ky:.]

looks like your on page 2 of your"how to be a nintendo fanboy"

"and the UMD FORMAT IS NOT SUPPORTED BY HARDLY ANY OF THE BIGGEST MOVIE STUDIOS.
which is sad and only equates to around 25 movies. the best of which is kill bill 1&2 and spiderman 2."

you right at the moment only 25 movies are confired some of which are T2, Hero,house of flying daggers,final fantasy ac ect i loved how you made it out as though these will be the ONLY ones released thats like saying the games that are confired are the only ones coming out for it.
the psp isnt even out in europe yet and your compairing which has sold more well duh! if were gonna be like that then we should all go out and buy a origanal gameboy the one with the green screen because thats sold more than the ds and psp put together so it must be better.

[FinalSolace]

Absolute rubbish. The simple fact is that psp has better hardware, better sound, a larger screen, better 3rd party support, mpeg playback, a better control layout, and doesn't rely on gimmicky shit and kids games to sell units. The fact that ds is outselling psp is primarily due to the fact that ds came out earlier and is more established in the marketplace because of it. You spew nothing but inconsequential facts and absolute bullshit. Frankly, you sound like a nintendo employee.


this is also total bullshit comments- let me elaborate.

when the DS was released it was selling at a steady rate that was quite good-

but when psp released the launch was very below par- the following weeks the PspS momentum actually speeded and began catching up.

then the defect issue was exposed - thousands and thousands of psp's were sent back to theyre retail stores and exchanged- BUT the defected consoles were still counted as sales on top of the exchanged units.

then the hype bomb set in- people just werent that satifyed with the PsP and momentunm is slowing to a crawl giving the DS a free leg up- as from about 4 weeks ago DS has been far outselling PSP's primarily iu think this is because its cheaper- no defects- has some fun new style of games to play that actually FEELS better.


and whats this about 3rd parties- i'm really starting to get vex-

FOR THE THIRD TIME PSP DOES NOT HAVE MORE SUPPORT THEN THE DS

dont actually make my pull out the lists to shut you up- because when i do and your still ranting and raving about sony you'll be exposed as a die hard sony fanboy.

PSP hradware is better?
the PSP has defects in 1 in 5 of machienes- you didnt read my earlier post.

yes the DS had dimming screen issues at the beggining and weaker screen plates but they were all exchanged quickly abd the existuing DS's were flawlessly packaged- HARDWARE QUALITY FOR DS IS FAR BETTER- of the quality people would expect.


AND YES THE DS BATTERY LASTS 4 TIMES MORE THEN THE PSP ON THE MOST DEMANDING OF GAMES- AND THATS THE GAMES THAT TAKE UP THE MOST JUICE FOR THE IGNORANT.

my sources come from 4 of the top gaming sites on the net.

the most unrivalled forums are.
www.magicbox.com (http://)
www.gaming-age.com (http://)



ign and gamespot make commission on psp sales thru ads on theyre sites so they will lie and be biased- they are the most unreputable sites on the whole net with hardcore gamers- so go get your info's.

[moneoa]

actually you quit talking out your ass.

universal is in advanced talks=== not a confirmation of support has been released- but the only reason Universal is making enquiry's is because the have been showing of the shit UMD media during Blue ray negotiations which is a cheap way of sliding in UMD- its still too expensive and wont sell.

you obviously dont own a psp and are therefore a fanboy
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Actually I do own one: http://www.zeropaid.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/12
Boy you really showed me by calling me a fan boy and letting me know what you think.
You obviously don't own either of them and are a mouth piece for some marketing branch.

Oh look a movie by universal for UMD PSP

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&dept=15&sku_id=0665000FSM2085224&catid=22614&newdeptid=15

but you really know what you are talking about right?
None of us do, even the people who own it.

Next time know what the hell your talking about before making an ass of yourself
and make sure you actually know a person before looking ignorant and applying labels.

I am not fanboying, I own a gamecube and had Xbox.

[moneoa]

dont actually make my pull out the lists to shut you up- because when i do and your still ranting and raving about sony you'll be exposed as a die hard sony fanboy.

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Wow I didnt even read this, your calling everyone a fanboy and then basking in your own fanboying for DS.
Quit picking fights and get a life

Nobody likes an asshole

my sources come from 4 of the top gaming sites on the net.

the most unrivalled forums are.
www.magicbox.com
www.gaming-age.com

ign and gamespot make commission on psp sales thru ads on theyre sites so they will lie and be biased- they are the most unreputable sites on the whole net with hardcore gamers- so go get your info's..
I am sure any attempt to back anything up with fact will be met with you saying "Biased liars"
because after all your in the know huh nintendo cheerleader

My thoughts from another thread of similar substance
To be honest I think Nintendo will eventually go the way of Sega and become a Third Party Software Developer.
I look at my PSP and it blows me away the innovation Sony had in making the thing.
Nintendo on the other hand recycled the gameboy Technology for over thirteen years until the DS came out.

The DS to me is too much gimmic, a duel screen pshht They could have made the unit with a touch sensitive screen and excluded the usless second one. Now coming this August they are releasing the new game boy. It feels like sega before they went soley software. Why make a new GB when you just came out with a replacement of the obsolete gameboy.

My bet is on Sony, Ps3 is reputedly stupid powerful moreso than Xbox 360

[legendsofaranna]

Well in my opinion...... psp is better. More games. System is useless without games.

[matt merch]

[QUOTE=FinalSolace]actually heres the figures for DS software sales versus PSP

the movie capability of the PSP is nealy useless- movies are priced at $25- 30
and the UMD FORMAT IS NOT SUPPORTED BY HARDLY ANY OF THE BIGGEST MOVIE STUDIOS.
which is sad and only equates to around 25 movies. the best of which is kill bill 1&2 and spiderman 2.

the quality of the movies are not as good as people have made out too.


if you want to listen to MP3's you need a special software- and you have to change the musics format eachtime you load it onto a MEM stick- plus you dont get the Mem stick in the pakage and you will need tom dish out another $25-40

lmao do you make that stuff up or nintendo feed it to you
1 you do not need to renencode mp3s for psp
2 you can d/l movies in mpeg4 format and stick on memory stick and watch them
3 ypu get a mem stick with psp

[Christoph]

I like mario and platform games a lot more than this shoot up ones.I think I could spend alot of time on a new yoshi game but never on a doom sequel. I have almost every consol made by nintendo(NES,SNES,N64,GC,GBA) and games like mario party and mario cart can beat, in my opinion, a lot of PsX games.

[Naweed]

ok psp has all dsi hardware and crap but DS has it to. www.liksang.com u can purchase mp4/mp3 player DVD Player all of dat.
and the games that are on the ds are cool to play with on your own and with others.think bout it all da elders and youngers playing mario kart sheeeeeeeeeeeeeesh ill jus hav to own em all >.<

[Atheist Icon]

Since the only handheld I own is the original Gameboy...nothing beats it. In a handheld all you need it to do is play games...that's it. That's exactly what the Gameboy does. If I wanted to watch movies on the go, I would get a portable DVD player and carry my DVDs around with me. If I wanted to listen to MP3's I got a portable CD player that can play MP3's...

How can anyone justify new stuff if the old ones are still working?

[Lord_of_the_Dense]

Because it's (PSP) the only thing you have to grab when you want to go portable and have the abilities of all of the above.

[legendsofaranna]

Since the only handheld I own is the original Gameboy...nothing beats it. In a handheld all you need it to do is play games...that's it. That's exactly what the Gameboy does. If I wanted to watch movies on the go, I would get a portable DVD player and carry my DVDs around with me. If I wanted to listen to MP3's I got a portable CD player that can play MP3's...

How can anyone justify new stuff if the old ones are still working?
I don't think you can seperately buy mp3, dvd player and handheld console with $400. I know you can buy.......the crappy ones though. See how much money you save buying a all-in-one quality psp? And you forgot that the psp can also view pictures. And it saves space too. And there's something called a mp3 player.

[antiliphe]

Ok I have a PSP All the gameboys ever made except for teh BS I Mean DS which I was looking forward to getting but then heard of the PSP, How can you even compare the 2? That one of the stupidest things you can do is compare a Nintendo(Games for kids) to a Sony(Teen to adult gaming)Product obvously the psp will win. It's more expensive, has better graphics, sound, even looks sexier. Just give up BS fans im sorry but looks like the good old nintendo games are over. ~antiliphe

[antiliphe]

Oh yes I also have 3 portable dvd players a laptop and 2 dell dj's the PSP is my favorite tech gadget so far! You DS lovers just need some dough! ;-)

[Atheist Icon]

I don't think you can seperately buy mp3, dvd player and handheld console with $400. I know you can buy.......the crappy ones though. See how much money you save buying a all-in-one quality psp? And you forgot that the psp can also view pictures. And it saves space too. And there's something called a mp3 player.


I got my Gameboy when it first came out for my birthday. So I got it for free. I have yet to get a portable DVD player because I cannot justify getting one because of the cost. I got the CD/MP3 player for 25 bucks from a friend of mine when he went out and spent an entire paycheck to get the iPod. The CD/MP3 player is in one of my cars hooked up to the tape adapter(yup, got the original 88' sound system in my Tbird). It still works after 2 years of abuse...why get a dedicated MP3 player?

To each his own I guess. People spend money on stuff to keep them entertained electronic wise, I spend money on my cars to keep me entertained mechanical wise...

[MPXX]

Ok I have a PSP All the gameboys ever made except for teh BS I Mean DS which I was looking forward to getting but then heard of the PSP, How can you even compare the 2? That one of the stupidest things you can do is compare a Nintendo(Games for kids) to a Sony(Teen to adult gaming)Product obvously the psp will win. It's more expensive, has better graphics, sound, even looks sexier. Just give up BS fans im sorry but looks like the good old nintendo games are over. ~antiliphe

Antilphe...again with the sterotypical "Sony is for adults" and "Nintendo is for kids" routine. Obviously you haven't owned a true console ( Atari 2600, Nes, SNES, Genesis etc.) Probably only owned PS1 and 2.

And the PSP being more expensive is a positive aspect!?! I wish Sony would actually put it at it's true reatil price of $499...cutting corners left and right, typical Sony...
I do got to admit you can't compare the two...one's a console and the other's a corporate pile of Sony.

Go get a Zodiac if you want to really show off a piece of technology...or wait for Tiger's Gizmodo LOL

[fik]

Both will win,
both will make money,
both will appeal to thier own groups,
both will sometimes appeal to each others groups.

People make products so people will buy them.
Winning some silly statistical battle is just a side effect.

My brother and his wife both bought PSPs, the quality is impressive.
Yesterday for some odd reason I decided to buy a DS. (I don't own a psp)

Side by side, my bros psp takes a dump all over my DS. His psp then laughs very hard.
Why'd I buy a DS? Something sparked.
I've been detached from nintendo forever, last system I used was a snes when I was a kid.
Then on to pc games. Doom was way fun.
I never looked back.

Until now.
I mean, what do I have to look forward to in games these days? Better gfx, Better simulation, but better gameplay? I suppose all 3, but the last category is going to trickle. Some lucky games out there will unlock the magic of that 'gameplay' On both the psp and the ds. Those games will be hit titles.
Now let us ask ourselves:
With these lucky HIT games that don't exist yet,
On the psp and ds. Which one do you think will employ a more interesting idea?

The game that utilizes buttons, an analog stick, and a huge screen with gfx comparable to what youve seen before(Not on a handheld mind you, but they are nothing revolutionary),

or a game that utilizes buttons, 2 seperate screens, one of which you can physically interact with.
Heck they are developing stuff with motion sensors too. Not sure you can jam one of those on a umd.

Any of you play doom3? Was it fun?

I laughed when the DS came out.. ugly mofo
Why don't I own a psp? Because I own a ps2, gt4 looks perfect there.
Hmmmm.
Now I realize a possible reason why ps2 gt4 has no multiplay.

I am by no means a fan of nintendo, Ive just recently learned what a 'fanboy' is,
I'm merely interested in the magic that might come out of the DS once serious game design genious grabs hold.
The only type of gaming magic I can see with psp, can also happen on the ds. It is the magic of playing with other people, this same multiplayer magic can also happen on a ps2, and a pc. It's been done, playing with other people is wonderful.

However ds has the 'gimmick' as we call it. A different way of interacting. It's new and it might be huge.
metroid prime is the first non pc fps I can actually aim. But fps's are boring, and that is an uninteresting implementation of the gimmick. Remember marble madness?
How about lionhead studio's Black&White That was kinda cool. The control scheme wasnt really applicable to a console, trying to throw peasants at other villages would have sucked. but hey.. you could do it quite gracefully on a DS when you think about it.
Rpg games would rule on a ds. Especially online ones. Who knows you could have to draw a symbol for your spell, or a series of them for some linking effect. Heck. the quality of your spell could be determined on how quickly/accurate you could draw them.
Oh look I'm rambling.

As you can see, this gimmick has captivated me.

I am a game developer. I do psp work.

[SanDiegoKid]

I generally buy every system and enjoy the entire experience... but I passed on DS.
Nintendo drops the ball again.

[Christoph]

That one of the stupidest things you can do is compare a Nintendo(Games for kids) to a Sony(Teen to adult gaming)
idiot,I know million adults playing nintendo

[timfgb]

I remember the hand held wars of the past. It was always down to battery life.
I have always been more Sony than Nintendo. My 12 year old son is the reverse - a real Nintendo head.
Anyway, to cut a long story short, I got him a DS for his birthday and treated myself to a PSP.
The DS looked solid but a bit....I don't know....old fashioned I guess. The PSP looked stylish (did feel flimsy).

I was very pleased with the graphics of the PSP. But it just felt flimsy. It seemed as good as my PS2...so ok so far so good. But my battery life is only 2 to 2 1/2 hours of serious play. This really P***** me off.

I complained about this and my son was delighted and lent me his DS for a longish journey.
1) it felt solid
2) the battery lasted across the Atlantic (plus some).
3) I didn't really miss the screen resolution
4) suprised how fun split screen was
5) by end of the trip I was a convert
6) owned up to Nintendo mad son......much riddicule!

Battery life is of great importance. It has seen off other heralded handhelds in the past. I think it will again.
Plus if they exploit the split screen to full extent then we might get really new gaming experiences.
My initial PSP enthusiasm turned into "so what...just a poor version of PS2" in a flashy but cruddy shell.
DS kept me entertained and coming up with ideas as to how I feel they should use the split screen.

All this multi system stuff about PSP is nonsense. If I want a music sysytem I will use my iPOD. It again feels solid and lasts. I also would not view films on my PSP. There are better devices for that. I did not buy my PS2 because of its DVD capability. I bought it 'cos it was a good game system.

However, after all that I am looking forward to PS3. And no doubt Nintendo kid is looking forward to Revolution. I think Sony might win that one but ....hey!...after my DS conversion who knows.

[SZier]

Whoa! I had to register just to comment on this. I support FinalSolace.

Issues on movies aside (and honestly, if you want to watch movies, you shouldn't do it on a screen measured in inches)...

He's right on the sales, software selection, and fun factor. Out the door, I own a DS. I enjoy it greatly with the mouse-like FPS play, the ability to point and click, the linup of strategy games on the way, the back-list of GBA games I can play (I didn't have a GBA), and look forward to the awesome title lineup coming soon- and the online play!

I have friends with both the DS and PSP, and I gotta say, we have DS nights all the time, but no PSP ones. In fact, most of my friends that have a PSP havn't got more than two games, and don't really enjoy those.

He's also right on Sony taking a loss. Last report from Gamespy was over $150 per system is lost by Sony. They don't have money to burn right now. If you missed it, the head of Sony Electronics was replaced not to long ago because Sony is taking a huge loss in hardware (DVD players, etc). The division as a whole reported a *huge* loss vs last year. With X-Box 360 getting an entire Christmas, and half a year to sell with no competition from PS3... plus the fact XBox is currently outselling PS2 and arguably has a much better lineup of titles... well, Sony should be a bit worried. Problem is, they are not. The executives give speaches like Nintendo and Microsoft are fleas on their back. They are going to feel a burn this "game" generation though. No company is immortal with gamers- just ask Sega, or the Nintendo of old. What this means for the PSP is hard to say, it may mean nothing at all.


Side note: PSP does not have a longer list of upcoming games than DS, and most of them (as mentioned) for PSP are PS2 remakes. Don't take my word though- (as I'm sure you won't) just go look at sites online. And technically, with a linup of excellent GBA titles (Like Final Fantasy Tactics Advanced) the DS has far more available games than the PSP. ;-)

Personally, I'd take the ability to play and GBA game over the ability to play movies any time!

He's right about the battery life too! Honestly, if you don't plan to take your portable system with you (fly a lot, game with friends), then you are better off getting a fullsize PS2 which has a similar game lineup, and larger screen.

In terms of Games for kids vs games for Teens.... I have to disagree totally. DS games are much more complex in general than those for PSP. (In general I said). The strat titles, and ability to use a mouse-style control for FPS games is far superior.

What you really mean is the maturity level of the content. I agree, Nintento usually has less mature themes, but their games are far deeper in content and playability.

Well heck... last time I checked Sam Fisher from splinter cell was pretty darn cool. Breaking necks and such. He's on the DS, if you didn't know. So maybe it's not about the less mature titles...

SZier

[Excrement_Cranium]

Hmmm... I couldn't vote "neither." Honestly, I'd hope to see the GBA continue to be supported, as they just FINALLY got it right. Oh well, I'm a stubborn old game coot.

[CallMeCasanova]

I wouldnt buy either! Who the hell buys handhelds anyway cept for little kids. Also regarding the PSP its just built for bigger kids who are more stupid. Its ridiculous to see someones hard earned money to pay for a $250 handheld which will break on your carpet. If your going to buy something stupid makes sure its cheap and at least Nintendo did that right. I was reading one of the earlier posted forums and 3 guys were attacking this one dude because he gave the sales figures of Nintendo whoping Sony. If I sound like a fanboy its probably b/c I am and for good reason. Nintendo is honest and they make whole good games. If i ever did decide to buy a
handheld itd be Nintendo. Hell I love those kidie games.. Its a lot better than some jackass GTA game slapped with a Mature rating which exploits mindless violence to dumbass 16 yearolds. OH COOL I KILLED A POLICE OFFICER. Thanks GTA for making America an ignorant asshole.

If you guys actuallly got out and dated you'd discover theres girls out there, and if you had one you certaintly wouldnt have 250 to spend on dumb BS!

O btw xecuse myl lanquage : P

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[SZier]

"Few could have imagined it, but the DS is becoming the most significant new console in Japan since the PS2. What started as a rumbling -- with great novelty games such as Wario and XX/YY -- has recently turned into a full-scale dual-screen uprising led by Electroplankton and Nintendogs. For the past month or so, the DS has been outselling all other hardware (including the PS2 and PSP) and its software is performing equally well. To date, there are around 2.5 million DS owners in Japan."

From gamespy article. :-) Europe also just boomed with sales, as did the US. PSP's getting the shaft BAD if you look at sales figures right now. I'm going to give it another 1-2years with Sony's hurting electronics division (to few DVD player sales), then lump it with the slew of systems that failed vs the old Gameboy's.

[Christoph]

@Casanova:As you reply to this threat you seems to be interessted in that too.so don't piss me off and leave ZP as fast as possible.

[rastabob2]

I own neither but out of interest, what are the good games on the PSP at the moment?
The ones I know of are lumines and wipeout - which are both a bit on the crappy side imho (though of course I didnt play them enough to truly appreciate them).

It seems to me that the fact that the DS is backward compatible does gives it a hell of a head start, but it will probably be just a matter of time before sony builds an impressive catalogue of games of its own.

[Lord_of_the_Dense]

This would sell me on PSP...

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/images/jess_psp.jpg

[SZier]

You make a strong point, Dense.

MMmmmm....

[Vampmon]

i dont like either, i just dont like these hand-held shits!

[silentscream]

i owned a gameboy pocket years ago

and i duno about anyone else but i never really found a comfotable position to play

always ended up with an achey neck lol

il stick with my ps2 and my 32 inch widescreen taa

Greg

[Andrew110]

Nintendo is dead. They will never come back.

[Nintendo Priest]

How fancy of you Nintendo haters, defending the corperate giant that could care less about thier product's duribilty and effiecentcy. Its not like anyone who knows what the hell thier talking about should worry themselves to the point of defending Nintendo on this subject, its obviously in the sales reports and so forth as to who is the real "winner" here. Sony thumpers gather and burn.

:hi

~The Priest~

[SZier]

"Nintendo is dead. They will never come back."

And that's why right now they are out-selling more systems (DS) than any other system on the market today, including consoles? :-) That's why the Gameboy shipped more units than any system ever?

Long way from dead, man.

SZier

[rex222]

I say the DS,

i'd rather play games on a touch screen as it is way more fun than constantly playing in one mode, also i like the game wario ware touched as it allows you to use the microphone for several mini games and is a game where you just use the touch screen.

who cares about watching movies on a screen as small as the psp's anyway? i mean after watching a movie for two hours straight on a screen that small your neck would practically fall off so i say the ds is better as it has many more modes whcih you can play and is overall more fun

[Auggie2k]

Never actually held of even looked directly at the DS or PSP but I've heard nothing but good things about the PSP (which was hacked already to many people's delight). So I would choose the PSP straight up, but my decision is based on the fact that I always choose Sony over Nitendo, always have and probably always will. I'm suprised Nitendo isn't even dead yet. You hear Nitendo, you hear lame late 80's, early 90's shitty music!

[MPXX]

Well, considering that Nintendo had a revenue of $4.6+ Billion USD in 2004...it doesn't seem that Nintendo will go away for a while...it's still the largest video game developer/company out there.

Of course the other two mega-corporations have a lot more $$$ in their budget...

[Signa]

Now, dont accuse me of being a nintendo fan-boy, but i own a DS and im finding it to be the most genious piece of equipment out there now. i will admit, at first, i was getting quite disapointed with the DS with its lack of games, but after i bought the kirby that came out, i was more than fully impressed. i haddent played any of the kirbys since the orginal game boy, because the formula was a little too easy and kiddy, but this one on the DS is really challenging. shortly after, they released Meteos, which is an amazing puzzle game (think tetris, bejeweled and smash bros, all in one). both of those games totally showed me what a touch screen can do for gamming.

on to the PSP. now, i dont own a PSP, but i can tell its a good machine. but as others have said before, its riddled with problems. first off, it *is very* expensive, not only the machine, but the games, the movies, and the proprietary memory format. if you have limitless funds, then you can easily dodge that hurdle. the games on it are nothing new, though its portable, allowing you to take the system on vacations and the crapper. my friend bought a PSP, and i watched spiderman 2 on it, and really enjoyed it. the screen on the PSP is beautiful. its the one thing i drool at most when i see the PSP. ANYTHING looks good on it, even dumb/boreing games.

i feel strongly that the PSPs gaming abilities are strong for a handheld, but they dont offer anything new. however, its abilities as a MULTIMEDIA DEVICE are its strong point. if you find yourself watching movies or listening to music, the PSP rocks. the problem is though that the memory stick duo prices are just too damn high to allow for you to put your own movies and a usable amount of music on one card.

as for purchasble movies, the UMD format is a very high weak point for the PSP. i work in an electonics department, and we sell the UMD movies for more than the orginal DVDs go for. in reality, you arent going to spend $23 on a PSP movie if you havnt seen it already, and if you spent $23 on a PSP movie, your most likely going to already have spent $20 on a normal DVD of the same movie. some one earlier said that the UMD movies arnet being well suported, but i disagree. i just saw a list last night of all the UMD movies we are getting and i have to say the list is rather staggering. i personally didint expect to see so many comming to our store.

now, if gamming and movies/music are what you like, there is something that nintendo has released in japan (and from what i hear, it sounds 80% likely here in the US soon) called "play yan" basically, it gives the GBA and the DS the abilities of the PSP. but it has several strong points about it that the PSP doesnt. first off, it uses SD memory, which is the most common, and cheapest to find memory. second because the GBA/DS's screen isnt as nice as the PSPs, it doesnt take as much data to hold a movie, so you get more on the card.

i didnt want to make these big issues in my post, because everyone has said them at some point, but because this is turning into one big review, im covering them for the "closing comments" part, so that it just makes more sence. the battery life, the screen's vulnerability, and the big one in my book: the vulnerabilities of the UMDs (cant put them in your pockets because dust will *stay* in them).

all in all, i think the PSP is really cool, and im continually tempted to buy one, but im aware of too many things that cause me to take a step back and think about the problems i would have to deal with. there are the many strong points the PSP has, but i think for every thing i like about the PSP, there are 2 more things that would cause problems. back on the DS (this is a DS vs. PSP thead) i WILL NOT say it is the coolest thing ever, i WILL NOT say that it is the best thing ever, but i will say it is smart. the DS doenst really have any strong points, but it totoally lacks weak points too. after playing kirby, i got a strong taste of what the system is capable of. hell, i dont think a MOUSE would work well in that game. As long as the developers are imaginative enough to bring us good games, the DS will surely top out higher than the PSP.

but that is still left to be seen...

[CyberPimpMKIII]

yo check this other site out http://www.jackphelps.net/archives/2004/12/nintendo_ds_v_s.shtml

[CyberPimpMKIII]

[B]*****THIS IS A QOUTE FORM ANOTHER SITE******

Wow, it's been awhile. It's me Chris, I wrote the eternally long post back around the 6th of july or so, and haven't been too active for awhile now. But now is time for my triumphant return to the world of online posting, and it would appear that I need to smite some punks. PSP fan's prepare yourself for a verbal thrashing.

Before you read anymore, please make sure that you read my initial post and understand that before I bought either of the new handhelds, I did extensive research.

Now, to start, I'm glad to see that some people have really been taking time to write real posts, with some intelligent comments, good grammar, and a lack of serious typo's. Ten points to all of you. Now then, twenty point deducted from all the pin-headed morons who are still making the same ignorant comments and arguments that I believe I annialated and trashed quiete a few posts ago. So lets start over.

In the world of handheld gaming, Nintendo is a God, escaping any comparisons. Multiple handheld systems with far better graphics and capabilities have been massacred by Nintendo's not-so-advanced systems. Sony was absolutely arrogant so assume it could stomp into this market, and dominate with such a system. Yes, I'll admit, as I have before, the graphics are stunning! The extra-features aren't a bad touch, and it even has a few promising titles coming out. But all this is cancled out when you look at the absolutely miserable battery life, and the cost and complications of its games and all the extra features such as "Music" and "Movies". No serious gamer buys these things, if they have 250 plus to spend on the system, any money they have left over will undoubtely go to buying games.

I saw one peticularly brilliant comment about "My parents just love the psp". Wow, I completely regret buying a DS now that I know how much your parents enjoy the PSP. In fact I'll go tell all my friends to go buy a PSP because some guy online says his parents like the PSP. Son-of-a-bitch! That has to be one of the most ridiculous things I've seen posted yet! How old are you? seriously! And of course I saw another person going on about "DS is for kids, Nintendo targets younger audiences, blah, blah, blah". Of course they do dipshit! Thats the determining market here. Older and more serious gamers will buy both, but younger kids who don't have as much money are going to go for the cheaper system that has "Pokemon" on it. You can piss and whine about it all you want, but thats still one stone on this war-path that sony will inevitably miss.

Besides, the whole, "I'm too old and macho for kiddy nintendo games" has to be the weakest argument I've ever heard. I'm 17 and I still play classic Nintendo, hell, I even pull out Pokemon on occasion, and if you want to make something of it, In the name of all things holy I will verbally tear you limb-from-limb. That means you Mr. "DS stand for dick sucker". Clearly some people are still living in a tragically narrow world.

Well now that I've drained myself of all that hostilitly, lets talk about something a little more fun. Nintendogs drops in August, and I can't wait! I anticipate this game to be something of a handheld apocalypse. If you look at the sales of this game in Japan, they are outstanding. This is the must-have-game of the year, and one of the top selling video games on all the consoles. PSP fan's brace yourself, this may be the nail that seels the coffin. Think I'm kidding? I may be exageratting, but I mean it. This game is suppose to be amazing!

On a new topic, DS2? I think someone caught a bad rumor. This whole three screens thing sounds rather ridiculous, I mean, I was skepticle of two screens at first. However I still am loving my DS! IN fact, the only thing that got me away from it was the new Harry Potter book. Which was also awsome by the way, everyone should read it, or the the whole series for that matter.

Now for a little on the game console front, I really feel Nintendo is going to be taking a late victory on the gamecube. The new Zelda, looks beyond amazing. I have a few friends with PS2's who have already bought a gamecube in preparattion for this game. And why not, the Gamecube is cheaper thatn eitheir handeheld right now. I imagine several people will be doing this when they see the new Zelda, similiar to how several people bought X-box's simply for Halo. Only about a $100 price difference there.

Well thank you for once again listening to my rants, I'll depart this evening by listing off a few DS titles I'm dieing in anticipation for. As always I'd love to hear some debate, but please keep it intelligent, and if I've already destroyed any arguement on the topic (ex: DS=kids) please don't wont waste your time or mine. Because then I'll have to clean up your smoldering carcass after I take to the floor with your ass. Thanks again!

Chris

DS Titles:

Monster Rancher DS
Final Fantasy 3
Final Fantasy Crystal Chornicles (online?)
Animal Crossing DS
Nintendogs
Mario Kart DS
Harvest Moon DS
Phoenix Wright
Black and White Creatures

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[=[_]=]You know what?
[+[_]+]Touching is good!
Down with the (+.[__]+)!

[CyberPimpMKIII]

The PSP is not by any means a better gaming machine! BTW WTF are yot talking about. the PSP games are all str8 up ports with little to nothing added to them. At least when Nintendo remade Super Mario 64 DS,they added new levels, more stars, new mini games,multiplayer, and 3 new characters. And the New Mario Kart Ds games has online multiplayer, and the same goes for Animals Crossing DS. Every other game the DS has are New and origanal, such as Meteos and Wario Ware touch. And this is coming from someone who live in the heart of South Central, 49th and Central to be exact. And who cares if the PSP plays music and movies when the battery dies after 1 movie or 10 songs.
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[=[_]=]You know what?
[+[_]+]Touching is good!
Down with the (+.[__]+)!

[Signa]

i just got nintendogs. its pretty interesting. it not by any means anything totally orginal. i have played black & white and the little handheld things known as tomagatchis. nor it is the coolest most intense/playable game ever. what is cool about it is that you will NEVER see a simular game on a differnt system. the microphone, the touch screen and the fact that the whole system is portable make a unique combination that allows a game like nintendogs to be everthing it can be. its also freakin' addicting, trying to train your dog to go on longer walks and win at competitons. it will be by no means one of my favorite games, but i am destined to spend many enjoyable hours at it as if it was.

[CyberPimpMKIII]

Yo guys, I just go that new Advance Wars: Duel strike game fo my DS on thursday. and all i got to say is that this game is *fucking* ACTIVE!!!!
IMO its a must have for the Nintendo DS along with Nanostray, SuperMario 64 DS, That new Kriby game, and Meteos. Also imo these game alone are selling the DS but with new games on the way like


Castlevania: Dawn of sorrow
Lost in Blue
Metriod Prime: Hunters
Resident Evil: Deadly Silence
Trauma Center: Under the knife
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
Mario Kart DS
Viewtiful Joe: Double Trouble
Sonic Rush
Animal Crossing DS
Mario & Luigi: Partners in tims (sound kinda gay)
Guilty Gear Dust Strikers
Need For Speed Most Wanted
Nintendogs: Holiday Edition
New Super Mario Bros.
SSX4
Street Racing Syndicate
Tetris DS
Katamari Damacy DS
Harvest Moon DS
Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicals
Pokemon Diamond & Pearl
Pokemon Torouze
*******&******
The Legend of Zelda DS

and with Price Drop the Nintendo DS just had there is no reason not own one. now speak on that PSP Fanboys if there are any here.

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[=[_]=]You know what?
[+[_]+]Touching is good!
Down with the (+.[__]+)!

[pianoben]

I'll admit it straight off the bat: I'm a Sony guy. I bought my PSP in Thailand before it ever came out in the States (for $75 bucks, too, but that's another story). I work at a Gamestop in St. Louis, and I've got to tell you, I'm starting to really reconsider the DS.

First off, Sony is barely supporting the system at all. There are only 7 games coming out in September, not one of which isn't a port from PS2. Someone said, in May, that there are only one or two 'must-have' PSP games, of which one is a puzzle game. That still holds true today

The DS, on the other hand, is being actively supported not only with ports, but with innovative games that are released pretty regularly. Nintendogs is pretty lame, but almost everything else (!) that I've seen is, at worst, decent.

Don't get me wrong, I love Lumines, but I'm not enjoying paying $50 for crappy games anymore. Because now all that I have is a $75 paperweight.

[riderx]

Please point out any typo's in my last writtings.
[=[_]=]You know what?
[+[_]+]Touching is good!
Down with the (+.[__]+)!
pab*
nuff said :icon_boun :icon_salu :icon_thum :icon_rr:

[CyberPimpMKIII]

True dat, true dat.

[BloodStraw]

Im getting the DS.

Why? Well most PSP games out are just remakes of PS2 games I already played. Shure you can run emulators on it and stuff and watch movies, but I do that on my computer, it isnt protable but It simply isnt whorth the $$$
And the DS online is going to be enabled in november via a firmware update for it wich is going to be alot of fun!
DS Mario Kart is the first game with online support coming out and I cant wait!

[black_magiic]

DS mario kart will probably be pretty sweet

[Jau_Peacecraft]

Im eyeing a PSP due to the homebrews, holy shit that'll be some fucking fun.

[boogiedan]

PSP 4 me hand's down due mainly 2 the hack's n mod's u can do
on BT there's somert like 100 games already
still woul'dnt mind either

[broadwayrock]

If you are going to buy a handheld just for homebrew then you might as well get a GP2X. It will handle homebrew far better and its cheaper.

You should buy a psp for the games that get released on it not for games that get released on other consoles.

[moneoa]

If you are going to buy a handheld just for homebrew then you might as well get a GP2X. It will handle homebrew far better and its cheaper.

You should buy a psp for the games that get released on it not for games that get released on other consoles.
Wow you are more intelligent than most.

I laugh at the morons bragging how they can play Altered Beast and Megaman 1 on their PSP
wayyy to go, Im sure it was worth the 300....

[timfgb]

As I reported before I have been pleasantly suprised at how fun the DS was compared to my PSP. This gulf has just grown and grown. The DS is addictive and my PSP has not been touched for 3 weeks. I get it out every now and then to show people how good the screen resolution is and then it is put back in the draw whilst I actually play the DS.
What amazes me is just how dull my PSP games are. As others have said before, they are just ports and excrutiatingly dull. Actually, I am shocked at how underwhelming it is. In my previous posting ( a few months ago) I had some reservervations, but my overall view of PSP was positive. Time has shown me that it is in fact .....well.......dull. Very dull actually!.
I did not think that Nintendo could, yet again, pull off the winning of the hand helds - like it has done so often before. But it has. I suggest that only biggots and morons will still say PSP is best in 1 years time.
Nintendogs is absolutely addictive. Every member of the family plays it and this christmas each member wants a DS with their own Nintendogs so they can play and swap with other members. This is a revolution.
Only spotty little 14 year olds (who worry about how manly and tough the games they play are) will not see the genius. I am a total Nintendo convert (having been PS2 through and through before DS).
If Nintendo do the same with Revolution.....ie a new gaming experience and not just faster better resolution (y-a-a-a-w-n) ......it will be the one to watch.
Bye-bye Sony ! We had fun, but I can see we have just grown apart.

[.:sp00ky:.]

I get it out every now and then to show people

don't we all.

dull. Very dull actually!.

sums up your post quite well.

[Signa]

i just got castlevaina for the ds and OMG fun. if you ever played aria of sorrow then you know what this is like. though they dont use the touch screen as much as they could, the dual screen makes a HUGE difference in viewing important info.

[broadwayrock]

I was a fan of Castlevania 2 on the nes and the snes version of Castlevania, how does this new one compare?

[evilmegaman]

I was a fan of Castlevania 2 on the nes and the snes version of Castlevania, how does this new one compare?

Be sure to get aria of sorrow and then get dawn of sorrow. because from what I have played about castlevania... These are the 2 best games in the series! :) Aria of sorrow's one of the few games I actually took the time to complete 100% lol... Also Dawn of Sorrow has two playable characters that I know of! which is totally awesome :drunken_s

[IshareManyFilez]

Buy the PSP and don't listen to what people who don't have either device have to say. I have the DS and the PSP. When I bought the DS when it first came out i played for a day then quit. It is definately not worth the time or money. I found the graphics to be iffy and the touch screen pointless for many games. However after recently arriving back from China with a PSP and memory stick I truely know what is the best buy it is definately the PSP. With superior graphic design, added features such as music and movies, easy wireless capabilities, as well as endless capabilites if you own a memory stick the PSP is by far best. Do not be fooled by people who don't own either item or by ones who only own one. If you are a true gamer however I would both because they both have good sides to them depending on the gamer.

[evilmegaman]

well right now IMO the GBA still beats em both in terms of good games. And then the runner up would be DS. Then PSP. Right now PSP has a whole bunch of useluss potential. none of it is being applied.

btw, I have the same story as isharemanyfilez except I like the DS better than PSP.

[Signa]

Be sure to get aria of sorrow and then get dawn of sorrow. because from what I have played about castlevania... These are the 2 best games in the series! :) Aria of sorrow's one of the few games I actually took the time to complete 100% lol... Also Dawn of Sorrow has two playable characters that I know of! which is totally awesome :drunken_s


aria is the best platformer game i have ever played. think super metriod with a character that levels up, and a plethora of weapons beyond the 4 diferent beam weapons and a story that plays out beyond "kill mother brain."


there are actually 4 characters to play as im told in dawn of sorrow. when you beat the game, you get to play it as 3 other characters that you can switch in at any time. how fun this is, i dont know, but it could be fun.

@ishare. dont state opinions as facts, you sound like a fucking fan-boy. YES the PSP is good, but DO NOT be so arrogant to tell others what to think (says the person who just said "think super metriod...."). not everyone is only sold on graphics: some people will play games for the fact that they are fun. oh, and the touch screen is the most amazing thing in portable gaming today. saying you played with a DS for a day, and then stating that the "touch screen pointless for *many* games" shows that you didnt really play "many" games at all.

there are many different kinds of gamers, and you obviously arent one that can apperciate the DS, which is totoally ok with me. but saying that the DS is a worthless addition to the gamming community just because *you* dont like it shows that you just need to not be so damn biased.

DAMNIT I HATE FANBOYS!

/end anti-fanboy rant.

[Auggie2k]

NOTE: Poll closed to prevent further thread bumping. It's been open for 5 months and the question keeps getting answered constantly.

[tobysmudge]

:icon_king Im not talking out of my ass, because i have both of the systems nintendo ds and sony psp:icon_king

in my opinion PSP is 50x greater than ds
Because PSP Has And DS Doesnt Have:
Great 3D Gaming Software, More Adventurous Gaming, Internet Browser, Quicker Online Gaming Streaming
Better & More Games, MPEG4 Playback, MP3 Playback
UMD DVD Videos (never bought them, there stupid and pointless, lol.. but its still an advantage that ds doesnt have)
Photos, More Settings To Choose From, Selectable Wallpaper, Downloadable Expansions And Games
USB, 3D Virtual Stereo Speakers, Widescreen, Bright LCD Screen, ULTRA clear and sharp screen
PSP Also has a great Memory Stick to put what ever you want on it

PSP Disadvantages:
Low Battery Life (DOESNT BOTHER ME AT ALL, BECAUSE OF ALL THE GREAT ADVANTAGES) PLUS ITS ON CHARGE ALOT FOR NO REASON SO I HAVE NEVER HAD LOW BATTERY)
No Touch Screen, (Dont Bother Me Either, but would be good... but then again, its good enough)

DS Advantages:
Touch Screen, Good LCD Screen, Double Screen, Touch Screen Pen

DS DisAdvantages:
The Games (most of them are 2D or terrible graphics, i think in graphics form they are the same as gameboy advance, with better gfx they could do good games which arent terrible 2D Gfx, for example (Harry Potter on PSP is amazing gfx and awesome quick gameplay with better sound.... Harry Potter For DS is crap and it is terrible gfx and 2D, bad slow loading with boring gameplay with great sound too)
But fair enough, DS's Cartridges has a much more smaller capacity than Sony's PSP
Seperate Chat Room (kinda like msn, but crapper)
No MP3, No MP4, No Pictures, No Cool Backgrounds, No Downloadable Applications And Extras
No Big Choice of settings and other stuff to do..
Its just not good, i give it 3/10
I mase well replace it with sweets, cos it sucks
I never really play on it any more because its just boring

In Conclusion:
PSP Wins
DS Loses by loads

PSP is everlasting and it can do allmost anything, i can get palm O/S games to work on mine
btw, to the guy who said it sucked!
PSP IS INVINCIBLE, yeh, ur friends is most probably broken up to pieces because he most probably bashes it around and holds it with immense grip and messes around with it and gets pissed off when losing on GTA and throws it accross the room, also its most prob a fake import from IRAK...
Mine Is Customized with loads of stuff.

DS is the same as a Gameboy Advanced
PSP is amazing and i love it in the face.

Nothing is perfect but i cant think of anything the PSP Doesnt do apart from:
Being Bullet Proof 'etc'
its practicly a:
IPod Nano/MP3 Player, MP4 Player, Picture Viewer, Pocket PC, SatNav System, Internet Browser, Torch (lol), Mini Movie Theatre with widescreen and great sound.

PSP OWNS DS, AND ALWAYS WILL, TO BE HONEST DS HAVE SOLD ALOT MORE THAN PSP BECAUSE THEY ARE CHEAPER AND DS WAS RELEASED BEFORE PSP, BUT GIVE IT ANOTHER COUPLE OF MONTHS AND THE DS WILL STOP SELLING GAMES, THE PSP WILL TAKE OVER AND CARRY ON RELEASING GAMES...
e.g: ps2 is still going now, dreamcast came same time, and dreamcast stopped selling after 4months of release, ps2 is still going now after 4years and something
e.g: psx & N64: well PSX stopped selling in 2004.. N64 Stopped Selling in 1998..
Thank you..
im not talking out of my ass because I own both DS & PSP...
I SAY PSP KILLS IT BY MILES!!! SO MUCH, WELL DONE SONY..
I RECCOMEND SONY'S PSP TO ANY1 WHOS LOOKING FOR A HAND HELD..
YOU GET MUCH MUCH MORE FOR THE MONEY YOUR SPENDING, TRUST ME ITS WORTH IT...

[tobysmudge]

Serious wich one would you go for?
1. DS (aka Gameboy Advance with touch screen)
2. PSP (aka PS2 with internet, music, photos, UMDS, Movies)

DS has aload of 2D GBA Games, they are all the same, waste of time buying it, i got bored of it after a week it sucks

[tobysmudge]

Go for PSP, i dont need to say much more just read what i wrote above, It should help you decide

PSP IS ALOT BETTER THAN THE DS

[Jau_Peacecraft]

hahaha.. i ended up getting the DS for christmas, despite eying the PSP. Man... I'm glad I got a DS, although when the PSP dosent cost like, half the amount I could spend on a new computer, then maybe I'll get my wallet out and pay up. in the meantime ill just spend that woulda be psp money for a new comp, id rather play my DS and some Half Life 2 mods anyways.

[MPXX]

Go for PSP, i dont need to say much more just read what i wrote above, It should help you decide

PSP IS ALOT BETTER THAN THE DS


Did Sony pay you to spam our boards with PSP advertisements...damn those ones out now are soo anoying and put out nothing noticable about the PSP (maybe b/c there is nothing to point out) Do I hear "hellz ya!"? LAME

Too bad there's more DS out there than PSP (8+ million to 3+ mill), and a lot more game development for the DS, where half of the PSP games are downgraded PS2 ports...

[the great one]

I recieved the PSP for Christmas and couldn't be happier.

P.S. I actually wanted the PSP so I could play games like burnout legends and GTA LCS.I wanted a system that could be able to play decent ports of the console games.

[.:sp00ky:.]

I have a dark blue ds ^__^ I love playing sonic rush brings back nice memories of when games use to be fun.

I hope sega bring a jet set radio out for the ds you could use the touch screen for graffiti :P

[Signa]

:icon_king Im not talking out of my ass, because i have both of the systems nintendo ds and sony psp:icon_king

in my opinion PSP is 50x greater than ds...

PSP IS INVINCIBLE, yeh, ur friends is most probably broken up to pieces because he most probably bashes it around and holds it with immense grip and messes around with it and gets pissed off when losing on GTA and throws it accross the room, also its most prob a fake import from IRAK...
Mine Is Customized with loads of stuff.

***DS is the same as a Gameboy Advanced
PSP is amazing and i love it in the face.***
(wtf man)

... TRUST ME ITS WORTH IT...

wow, just wow. how long did you spend typing all that up? let me tell you somthing. i just got a PSP and i think its really cool. REALLY REALLY cool. big problem though: all the PSPs being made from here on out are being packaged with firmware that doesnt allow you to do anything cool at all with the PSP. i just wanted to do some sweet home brew stuff with it, but guess what. the people who make the PSP dont care about you at all. they just want money, and that is the end of the story. sure, i admit, i didnt get any real games for the PSP, so i cant really talk; but hey, i would have to spend $50 a game if i wanted to continue using my PSP, and i dont go for that. im very well off financially because i still live with my parents, yet the amount of money that i need to spend on the PSP to make it a contender for the DS is just simply phenominal. if you want movies and music, get a video iPod, they are tons cheaper and hold more data. if you want games, get a DS or a PS2 or even a fucking game cube because the games on there are still more fun than what they have been able to put out on the PSP. oh, and you could buy a gamecube and a PS2 for the same price as the PSP. and you could buy an awsome game for both systems for the price of one PSP game.

now tell me why the PSP is cool again?

PS:
DS is the same as a Gameboy Advanced
PSP is amazing and i love it in the face.

tell me what drug you are on, it sounds like you are having fun, and i want in.

[dsgirl]

tell me what's the best reason why would i choose ,for all we know most the gamers are playing ds, now what game do you play?










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"my dsblog site' (http://ds.qj.net) - luisa

[zarquon]

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Getting a 2.0 firmware psp or lower will allow you to play *cough* backups of your games. This is the reason to own a psp.

[WE_DELIVER]

Plus, there is so much more cool stuff for it. Emulation of NES and other old systems. Other software like drum machines, etc...

[thepuzzler]

Plus, there is so much more cool stuff for it. Emulation of NES and other old systems.

As much as I hate to say it, the DS actually has pretty good emulators for it. You just need to buy a Neoflash card, or even a basic GBA flash card should do the trick

Also theres no firmware downgrading or automatic upgrading to get in your way, plus being solid state with zero loading times is a nice feature too.

(ps, I don't own either systems, but I used to run a lot of emulators of my GBA with a flash card which is completely compatable with the DS).

[WE_DELIVER]

Yea...all that stuff on the DS looks pretty cool....I read up on it before I decided to get the PSP.
It ended up being a close race between the PSP and the GP2X.
I'm happy with the PSP however.

[.:sp00ky:.]

Plus, there is so much more cool stuff for it. Emulation of NES and other old systems. Other software like drum machines, etc...


I think its pretty crappy when the best reason for spending nearly 300 pound(you need to buy a sd card to put anything on it) on a handheld is been able to play nes games and other old systems 0_o

I love how people come here rip the ds and nintendo saying nintendo games are shit and for kids then boast about how awesome their psp is because it can play nes games lol

[WE_DELIVER]

Sorry, where did I rip the DS?
I'm sure both systems are good in their own ways. I just went with the PSP because it seemed to be more compatible with my tastes. I also love the idea of sitting on a train, on my way to work and playing a game that I barely touched since I played it as a kid 15 years ago. With that and the fact that I can play new games, movies, music, etc, was good enough for me.

From what I saw, the psp mod community seems to be more visible and larger than the DS or GP2X communities. And I love figuring out how to run stuff I'm not supposed to on various hardware.

And I dont know how games are on the DS or whatnot, but older NES games, although made for kids, are difficult as hell. Def, not something that any kid can get through in a couple of hours.

[.:sp00ky:.]

sorry that second part wasn't aimed at you :)

I like the old zelda games myself :)

[moneoa]

Nintendo made what they always make, a pretty game machine that uses a gimmic to push sales.
(dual touch screen....please) People love it, kids at heart love it but in the end it will come out on bottom.

Nintendo up until the Gamecube had done nothing for their product line excpet regurgitate old technology.
The DS was a bold move in that it took nintendo's mobile platfom to a new level..
but like all their up and coming technology they were deperate to seperate themselves from the mold
and used a gimmic to try and paint a picture of "see were new and fresh, buy ours instead"...
Sony did this "fresh and new thing" while keeping it to steak and potatos
...no gyroscopic tilt control and emulated 3d whatchamacallits.
they said hey, the gameboy ran its course 10 years ago so lets make something better.

Nintendo's own long term confidence in the DS is apparent when they are still pumping out GBA titles
and even planning a new GB for market even though by all rights the DS should retire the GB brand
as it is back compatible with GBA cartridges and should be their mobile successor.

Example of this flaw by nintendo, the revolution...
They are so anxious to go back to 91 when they were at their peak with this new machine
at first it looks like it is a nice new piece of tech but note it is made to play the whole
back catalouge of Nintendo through emu, While some think thats cool to me it is putting
to much focus on the past when they need to focus on the new machine playing the old software.

Then there is the controller for the DS....wtf......a gyroscopic joystick shaped like a remote
and lacking the button layout that most games use.....I have read that in the case of games like fighting games
that need the buttons to move properly will not port easy if at all...
.they went for something so next gen it uses nothing common enough to stay in the market

I have never bashed nintendo.....lots of good memories but it is unavoidable to miss....
their golden age is over and in the next little bit I can see them pulling a Sega...
get out of hardware and focus on what they have always rocked on..
the software and then license their best franchises to market....Zelda on PS?

Bring it on....

Like we_deliver I bought a PSP after researching what was available
and weighing the positives and negatives of each...the PSP managed to trump what was.





and no I don't run emulators or homebrew on my PSP..it is fully updated and ready to go.
As spooky was giggling about I am also one who really does not care that I can play Altered Beast
or Dr. Mario on my 300 dollar portable.

[broadwayrock]

I first started gaming in 1989. The snes was my last console that i bought, even though i continued gaming through emulators/other peoples consoles. I passed up on buying the N64/PS1/PS2/Xbox because the games did not really interest me. This was because i was tired of the same old routine which continues today: same game but with better graphics.

Then i found games that interested to enough to buy a console and the games for it. That was with the DS. games like Quendan and Animal Crossing were a breath of fresh air compared to many to the endless Ridge Racer or Halo clones.


Nintendo's own long term confidence in the DS is apparent when they are still pumping out GBA titles
and even planning a new GB for market even though by all rights the DS should retire the GB brand
as it is back compatible with GBA cartridges and should be their mobile successor.


Would you say that it would also apply to Sony or Microsoft who will to continue to allow games to be released for PS2 and xbox long after the PS3 and 360 have been released? (which they will)

and would you say Rockstar who make the PSP's biggest selling game GTA Liberty City Stories have confidence in the PSP when they port the game to the PS2 later this year? like most of the games companies they are focusing on making games for the PS3.

Sony's recent big announcement for the new verson of the PSP was focusing on its being able to emulate PS1 games!


While some think thats cool to me it is putting
to much focus on the past when they need to focus on the new machine playing the old software.


All next gen consoles: 360, PS3 and Revolution have the ability to play retro games it would be idiotic not to allow such features. Its almost like you would complain about movie companies releasing old films on dvd when they can just release the new ones!

Nintendo are keeping very quiet about the new games because they are following the Apple iPod route of marketing: E3 annoucement with games, then console will be released shortly after.


Then there is the controller for the DS....wtf......a gyroscopic joystick shaped like a remote
and lacking the button layout that most games use.....I have read that in the case of games like fighting games that need the buttons to move properly will not port easy if at all...
.they went for something so next gen it uses nothing common enough to stay in the market


You do know that there is going to be a more traditional controller being released to play the retro games?


their golden age is over and in the next little bit I can see them pulling a Sega...
get out of hardware and focus on what they have always rocked on..
the software and then license their best franchises to market....Zelda on PS?


Theres this great misnomer that Nintendo is loosing money and will go the way of Sega. The DS is comfortably beating PSP in hardware sales worldwide and completely trouncing the PSPs extremely poor games sales (bar a few titles). Even the gamecube which sold less than the xbox made them far more
money then Microsofts $4 billion loss on the xbox.

Nintendo deserved the poor sales of the Gamecube for not making worthy 1st party games and securing good third party titles. But with the DS they've created games that better home console's games and secured a large amount of third party support (including Square whos defection hurt both the N64 and Gamecube)

The gaming market is becoming saturated and Nintendo is wise to go after non gamers and former gamers who are tired of the way games are going. MS and Sony can battle it out over the Halo/GTA generation of gamers.

Geez i sound like a Nintendo fanboy for a minute (goes back to playing HL2)

[Kutza]

As I see it:

PSP Positives:
-----------------
More games
Prettier
Plays MP3s
Plays UMDs (higher storage)
Plays Movies
Backups of Games
Larger Screen

PSP Negatives:
-----------------
Crappier games. Quantity doesn't = Quality
Prettier Who gives a damn but fad chasers. Scratches and tarnishes easier.
Plays MP3s - Not many, and it's too huge to be an mp3 player
UMD slots often fail, plus discs scratch/break, and are harder to transport.
You can't watch a whole damn movie without the battery dying.
Larger screen = battery dying after an hour and a half of wifi play.

The only good thing about PSP is playing backups of crappy games.

The DS's negatives are the way it opens, smaller screens, and using the touch screen. But nintendo kart DS kicks any PSP game's ass :). However, it's actually portable as you can transport tons of it's games in your pocket without them breaking, longer battery, more wifi spots, better apps. I have an iPod Video for MP3s/Videos. And the battery last much longer (and I have a tekkeon battery, it rocks).

[Signa]

all the PSP fans need to give metriod a try now that its out and try to say that the touch screen is a bad thing and its a gimmik.

unless you can make a PC the size of your hand you will not play another console FPS with a flawless of controlls as you can with metriod

[evilmegaman]

all the PSP fans need to give metriod a try now that its out and try to say that the touch screen is a bad thing and its a gimmik.

unless you can make a PC the size of your hand you will not play another console FPS with a flawless of controlls as you can with metriod


agreed. Metroid is really a mind changer! the multiplayer is friggin sweet!

[WE_DELIVER]

BTW....Maverick Hunter X for the PSP rocks! Check it out if some of you can.....im sure evilmegaman played it :-)

[Excrement_Cranium]

Most everything I've seen on PSP FPS basicly has said that it turns out either clunky or dated..

[evilmegaman]

BTW....Maverick Hunter X for the PSP rocks! Check it out if some of you can.....im sure evilmegaman played it :-)

my name gives my life story away. how pathetic :D

[Mels_Smileys45]

After watching a few of the mario DS videos at youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NN-PI8y8Qs&search=Mario%20DS I think I want a DS. That great game design really takes me back to when play was the thing

[shawners]

I know long after they FORGET and dump the movies for psp, and start releasing very few games on it.. It still be the best one to get. You can take any DVD movie and make a rip of it and put it on its memory stick for traveling. Or if your a kid who wants something to do while riding bus to school or tinkering, stay away from it. You get more fun from being at home watching movies and playing games.

[broadwayrock]

Mels you'll probably want to wait until the DS lite gets released on June the 11th.

Heres a video comparison of it with the old DS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OKXnvIk2H4&search=ds%20lite

I love the new giant mario and blue shell powerups in New Super Mario Bros:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01hjVEMhsqU&search=mario%20new%20ds

[moneoa]

wow I like the new smb