Is it more easy for girls to get a Boyfriend?

[Christoph]

My ex got since the time its over (around 8 month) 3 new boy friends...well...me?hehe=0!!!!!
WTF!I can't understand that!Im looking not bad,Im nice(thats what I hope ;-) ) and Im not as stupid as some of my friends.What I noticed is that it is a lot harder for my male friends to get a GF than for my female friends to get boys.Is it only in germany or is everywhere the same...or am I completley wrong? :icon_salu

[mercyme]

theres blokes out there that are so horny they go for anything with a pulse wearing a skirt....no wonder women are spoilt for choice!

[rebirth]

didn't take me long to find a bf.

[littlebeagle]

definately easier for girls since i split up with my ex 7 months ago she's had two boyfriends, I'm on a big fat zero, I'm not bad to look at, have a sense of humor, good job, I do lack a bit of confidence, guess thats where the diffence lies between men and women, I can count the amount of times I've actually be asked out by a girl on one hand, I can't even count the number of times I've asked a girl out.

[Potato]

Guys are easy to manipulate. No offense, guys.

[Ne007]

If there only was 100 girls to one guy....things would be different.

Moderate to the best looking girls have their pick....and they seem to ALL choose the same guy......Leaving the rest of us out of play.


That same guy gets to fertilize all the females he wants....and then the women eventually get old, lose their looks AND THEN SETTLE DOWN WITH GUYS LIKE YOU AND I...leaving us to take care of their kids.

[northwest stew]

If there only was 100 girls to one guy....things would be different.

Moderate to the best looking girls have their pick....and they seem to ALL choose the same guy......Leaving the rest of us out of play.


That same guy gets to fertilize all the females he wants....and then the women eventually get old, lose their looks AND THEN SETTLE DOWN WITH GUYS LIKE YOU AND I...leaving us to take care of their kids.
LOL ,yea it seems that way but like Potato said " Guys are easy to manipulate" that is so true ,girls are so much better at this game ,and in tune with their feelings ,they are constantly thinking ahead .

[boogiedan]

ive got 2 say easier 4 girls 2 get it
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[FinalSolace]

and the dumbest thread question goes too.......

men are screwed- women just need to open their legs.


men have to flash money to get anything

whats shit is that we are not born following a winning lottery ticket in a womb sack.

[The Hunter]

No more sexist remarks. Consider this a warning.

[Auggie2k]

Guys are easy to manipulate. No offense, guys.Thats cause women have everything men want, and fella's will beg...!

[Potato]

Thats cause women have everything men want, and fella's will beg...!
Exactly, and we know it.

[Ne007]

I ain't too proud to beg

[.:sp00ky:.]

and the dumbest thread question goes too.......

men are screwed- women just need to open their legs.


men have to flash money to get anything

whats shit is that we are not born following a winning lottery ticket in a womb sack.


pshh talk for yourself not all of us have to pay for a girl,mind you,you sound pretty retarded so maybe a escort service is all you can get :P

[cpugeniusmv]

Exactly, and we know it.
Potato, can I go outside today? This cage is kind of small.

[mcovey]

I suppose some guys make it easier for girls to get boyfriends, but I keep higher standards. I don't want to date (unless it's a one night stand, and I get some) someone stupid or rude. I'd rather date a nice girl that I liked for a long time. I am selective like that, and have usually gotten which girls I wanted to go out with. Sometimes they get snatched up before I could make a move, but that's life.

[grab_grab_the_haddock]

Depends on the guy. A heart-stoppingly handsome hunk like me, wingnut2600 or notbob would get chased by more skirt before 7am than the rest of you guys would in your whole life. innit.

[FrozenShadow23]

If you don't beg, it's a lot easier to find a good one.

Never had much a problem with getting a girl, just trouble finding one I want. But I do think, on average, it's easier for girls.

[RobinSena]

and the dumbest thread question goes too.......

men are screwed- women just need to open their legs.


men have to flash money to get anything

whats shit is that we are not born following a winning lottery ticket in a womb sack.
I hear ya man, money buys you any girl. Donald Trump, Hugh Hefner, and Travis Barker of Blink 182 are all old, ugly, or both and can get any chick.

Click here to look at Travis' woman (http://www.mainstreammag.com/images/live/2003/mtviconmetallica/travisbarker6.jpg)

Can't tell me money didn't get him his woman.
Travis has the hottest wife, and he's an ugly punk. Money buys anything, especially women.
Most guys will disagree, (not that I'm saying women just marry for money) but flaming FinalSolace is inappropriate. Money/Occupation and similar factors are big for women. I have a GF who cares for me a lot despite financial shortcomings, but I wouldn't doubt she would be happier if I was loaded.

[Ne007]

I hear ya man, money buys you any girl. Donald Trump, Hugh Hefner, and Travis Barker of Blink 182 are all old, ugly, or both and can get any chick.

Click here to look at Travis' woman (http://www.mainstreammag.com/images/live/2003/mtviconmetallica/travisbarker6.jpg)

Can't tell me money didn't get him his woman.
Travis has the hottest wife, and he's an ugly punk. Money buys anything, especially women.
Most guys will disagree, (not that I'm saying women just marry for money) but flaming FinalSolace is inappropriate. Money/Occupation and similar factors are big for women. I have a GF who cares for me a lot despite financial shortcomings, but I wouldn't doubt she would be happier if I was loaded.

How can you rip on Blink? They are old? Give me a break you snot nosed brat.......are you the same person as finalsolace?

YES! Rich guys are more attactive to women.......And morons like you will never have money or women.

[moneoa]

and the dumbest thread question goes too.......

men are screwed- women just need to open their legs.


men have to flash money to get anything

whats shit is that we are not born following a winning lottery ticket in a womb sack.
Another well thought out post by the guy who knows it all.

men have to flash money to get anything

You are aware hookers and Blowup dolls don't count right?

[legendsofaranna]

Getting a gf is a skill. Tips: If you want a gf then be a good bf. If you judge your gf then you won't have time to love her.

[Potato]

Money will get any girl who is interested in money.

Believe it or not, there are girls who favor a personality over cash.


cpu, I thought you were going to live in my closet?

[grab_grab_the_haddock]

Money will get any girl who is interested in money.

Believe it or not, there are girls who favor a personality over cash.




I concur with this statement. I have a dynamite personality, which never fails to captivate the ladies.

[legendsofaranna]

and the dumbest thread question goes too.......

men are screwed- women just need to open their legs.


men have to flash money to get anything

whats shit is that we are not born following a winning lottery ticket in a womb sack.
Your wife is only interested in your money, not YOU. You die and not a tear will come out from them.

[RobinSena]

How can you rip on Blink? They are old? Give me a break you snot nosed brat.......are you the same person as finalsolace?

YES! Rich guys are more attactive to women.......And morons like you will never have money or women.
Will never have women? I said in the post that I had a girlfriend, going on 8 months incidentally.

As for blink, I didn't mean to say that they were old, in particular Travis (who is a great drummer, and probably a really nice guy), it was just worded wrong.

[Slycktom]

Guys are easy to manipulate. No offense, guys.

I dont know how anyone can reasonably think this is true. I know the clichés and whatnot, but to actually believe this makes me chuckle.

Both men and women are able to be manipulated or be manipulators. If you know what a person's weaknesses are, and everyone has weaknesses, it is exploitable.

[wingnut2600]

didn't take me long to find a bf.

I think that this poll needs two more options...

[rebirth]

yeah, you mean boys getting boys? :D

liek MEEEEEEEEEe?!

[wingnut2600]

yeah, you mean boys getting boys? :D

liek MEEEEEEEEEe?!
lol

There is also girls to get girls... we are all-inclusive here at ZP.

[rebirth]

yeah...dykes included too...meh

*mumbles something about equality*

[rebirth]

now I will quote a song to regain my GLAAD-ness

I was ridin' my bike on 43rd street
Past the station and
There's one person without a seat
Got my sunnies 'cause the sun just
Keeps on lookin' right through me
Ain't nobody gonna stop me
Baby can't you see

[Chorus:]
Don't go
Girls and boys should be together
Don't go
Girls and boys can rule the world
Don't go
Boys and boys should be together
Don't go
Girls and girls can rule the world

I've got jumbo polka-dotted trousers
With the empty pockets
It's funny to me that the two of us
Could fit in one pair
Teens and queens on magazines
That have me on the cover
But none of that compares to
Just one night alone with you
And what you do

Don't go
Girls and boys should be together
Don't go
Girls and boys can rule the world
Don't go
Boys and boys should be together
Don't go
Girls and girls can rule the world [x2]

I was just ridin' my bike on 43rd street
Past the station and there's
One person without a seat
You got me wishin' I was just a little
Squirrel at your window
Got me whistlin' a song
I thought I never could like
Just for you

Don't go
Girls and boys should be together
Don't go
Girls and boys can rule the world
Don't go
Boys and boys should be together
Don't go
Girls and girls can rule the world [x3]

Boys and boys should be together
Don't go
Girls and girls can rule the world

-
Fefe Dobson - Don't Go

(man am I ever gay, eh?)

[cpugeniusmv]

cpu, I thought you were going to live in my closet?
SWEET! I get to be with your computer!

[nukehella]

SWEET! I get to be with your computer!


Yep-Taters got what CPU wants allright.Another computer to tinker with.

[Potato]

I dont know how anyone can reasonably think this is true. I know the clichés and whatnot, but to actually believe this makes me chuckle.

Both men and women are able to be manipulated or be manipulators. If you know what a person's weaknesses are, and everyone has weaknesses, it is exploitable.
Okay. In my experiences, guys have been very easy to manipulate.

Then again, I think people are like books.


and cpu, this means you can fix my computer's new lame laggy issue. :)

[rebirth]

Okay. In my experiences, guys have been very easy to manipulate.

Then again, I think people are like books.


and cpu, this means you can fix my computer's new lame laggy issue. :)
or insert OTHER screwdriver-thick objects in the fan :D:D:D: :icon_shak

[MACvSOG]

There is also another way to look at this . Your ex-girlfriend has had X amount of new boyfriends while during the same period you have had bupkis. It may be working this way. While you are looking for one person to be serious with and all the things that "getting serious" entails. Your EX may just be dating around. Women will go out with a guy on a date just to go to dinner or basically pass the time. They go into this knowing wether sex will be involved right from the start. That is where they have the power. Or better yet that is the power we give them. They may have no interest in a intimate relationship with a guy, but they may think he is funny or interesting or whatever and let him take them out. So your Ex may have had X amount of boyfriends but I rather doubt if she is the average girl, in regards to respectability she has slept with them all.
Now us men we can not seem to grasp this idea of just going out to go out. We generally have ulterior motives. We generally do not take a girl out spend money and do it just to pass the time.
I am of the opinion that when it comes to finding a quality mate we are all male and female in the same leaking boat.
If you really tried , let down all your guards and expectations and just went for quantity over quality most anyone could sleep with or have bullshit relationships with 3-4 people a month. Some of us just don't compromise which then leads to a more self sufficient lifestyle.

[cpugeniusmv]

or insert OTHER screwdriver-thick objects in the fan :D:D:D: :icon_shak
You must have really big screwdrivers in Alabama.

[CompuGeek]

You must have really big screwdrivers in Alabama.

Like this?

[cpugeniusmv]

Like this?
LOL! :-D

This post really is at least 10 characters. I promise.

[rebirth]

hahah lol@ you thinking you have a big p3n0r. how cute

:P

[cpugeniusmv]

hahah lol@ you thinking you have a big p3n0r. how cute

:P
No..just big screwdrivers. CompuGeek has seen them.

EDIT: Well...penis size is relative to post count...or so I've read.

[notbob]

No..just big screwdrivers. CompuGeek has seen them.

EDIT: Well...penis size is relative to post count...or so I've read.


i guess that means guys with big post counts have plenty of time to post because their time isn't spent on the ladies, and the lack of friction keeps their weiners huge

or it's an inverse correlation, which makes more sense altogether

[SLACKDADDY]

Hey guys....go to http://www.doubleyourdates.com/ and "un-wuss" yourselfs....yes, sign up and get information that'll explain it all.....no I am not associated.

Hey girls.....go to http://www.doubleyourdates.com/ and see that you have been figured out.

[method]

I think for most guys it's harder to get a girl than for a girl to get a guy in any western country. (I think the girly mags encourage them to be bitches too which doesn't help but it's fun... more of a challenge that way!!)

Try pretending to be more confident than you are (only a bit though.. not over the top!!) and stop caring about trying to get a girl... it's amazing how quickly one appears when you just stop caring!!
:)

[Christoph]

There is also another way to look at this . Your ex-girlfriend has had X amount of new boyfriends while during the same period you have had bupkis. It may be working this way. While you are looking for one person to be serious with and all the things that "getting serious" entails. Your EX may just be dating around. Women will go out with a guy on a date just to go to dinner or basically pass the time. They go into this knowing wether sex will be involved right from the start. That is where they have the power. Or better yet that is the power we give them. They may have no interest in a intimate relationship with a guy, but they may think he is funny or interesting or whatever and let him take them out. So your Ex may have had X amount of boyfriends but I rather doubt if she is the average girl, in regards to respectability she has slept with them all.
Now us men we can not seem to grasp this idea of just going out to go out. We generally have ulterior motives. We generally do not take a girl out spend money and do it just to pass the time.
I am of the opinion that when it comes to finding a quality mate we are all male and female in the same leaking boat.
If you really tried , let down all your guards and expectations and just went for quantity over quality most anyone could sleep with or have bullshit relationships with 3-4 people a month. Some of us just don't compromise which then leads to a more self sufficient lifestyle.
youre so right!well...the thing is,I miss her :-(

[Christoph]

I think for most guys it's harder to get a girl than for a girl to get a guy in any western country. (I think the girly mags encourage them to be bitches too which doesn't help but it's fun... more of a challenge that way!!)

Try pretending to be more confident than you are (only a bit though.. not over the top!!) and stop caring about trying to get a girl... it's amazing how quickly one appears when you just stop caring!!
:)
ok,I will try that.freinds say same...but its hard to not caring about a girl,cause it was like...welll...it was home,you know what I mean?

[SLACKDADDY]

The link in my previous post might sound like a "pop-psych" site but the author is the Zenmaster of playing females like a fiddle. I get regular emails from the site and some of the stories guys write about will hit home and the answers so obvious and hilarious!! We guys almost have the advantage IF you know the game of females that usually fly right over our heads. You will not be disappointed with this information and yes you will have to take a different more confident outlook of yourselves but that is the "inner game" of "un-wussing" yourselves, women look for confident men, not wusses that want to buy their attraction, as if you could ...hey....it's information that I wished for 30 years ago....but is still revelant today......remember, cows don't give milk....you have to take it.

[Digital Bliss]

Girls giggle flash their tits and get what they want guys have to work their asses off its bullshit

[moneoa]

Girls giggle flash their tits and get what they want guys have to work their asses off its bullshit
Thats a bit much man, there is a reason why most of the top CEO's on Wall street are men.
Chicks have it pretty hard in some aspects and for most it's not a simple matter of flashing tits and giggling.

In fact I dare to call your comment sexist.

[Krell]

moneoa (member.php?u=165033) I am siding with digital bliss on this one, UP TO a point.

Yes, it is sexist. I didnt make it that way, but it is what it is.

Even in the IT industry, many times women gain promotions and get favored due to their being women. Try working with or for a woman thats a ditz, that has a fraction of the sheer knowledge and experience that you do, but, she has the one thing that transcends normal operations and rules . . . . cleavage.

If a woman earns her way up a ladder, fine, I call her a peer. If she uses her allure I call her a whore. You DO know the workplace is filled with corperate whores, that charm and sleep their way up the ladder, dont you?

Many who are not very good looking, still use the "sexual discrimination" or the "sexual harrassment" plays for leverage.

Again, I didnt make it this way, but ive observed it time after time after time.

As for this topic, historically, anthropologically, in most cultures, it is easier for a woman to get a man, than man to get a woman.


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[ferrarimodena360]

awesome poll

d00d chicks can get what they want, but it lasts only 2 minutes =)

[notbob]

Thats a bit much man, there is a reason why most of the top CEO's on Wall street are men.
Chicks have it pretty hard in some aspects and for most it's not a simple matter of flashing tits and giggling.

In fact I dare to call your comment sexist.


how many CEOs were brought down by fucking their secretaries?

lots

or lost millions in a divorce?

lots

male power is an illusion, one put forth by men to cover their shame at being controlled 90% by sex drive and being utterly powerless to do anything about it

in the end, all some woman has to do is cry rape 6 months after the fact and your life is ruined. now that's power

[mfgbypooter]

Real power is in making a girl giggle.


For when girls giggle, their tits will jiggle. :icon_boun :icon_boun


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[Potato]

Try pretending to be more confident than you are (only a bit though.. not over the top!!) and stop caring about trying to get a girl... it's amazing how quickly one appears when you just stop caring!!
:)
This works both ways. Confidence is such a turn on.



It's a sexist world we live in. yay. I don't have cleavage, I'm not a man, I'm not white, why do I try? :(

[MACvSOG]

This works both ways. Confidence is such a turn on.



It's a sexist world we live in. yay. I don't have cleavage, I'm not a man, I'm not white, why do I try? :(



Wow, those two statements are polar opposites of each other. It seems like you understand the way it works, yet you fail to exercise it.

[mfgbypooter]

I don't have cleavage, I'm not a man, I'm not white, why do I try? :(Michael Jackson should ask himself the same thing.

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[Stownplayer]

Guys are easy to manipulate. No offense, guys.

Fuck that! Noone manipulates the stown (period)!!!!!!!!!!!! You aint never met anyone like me.

[Potato]

Wow, those two statements are polar opposites of each other. It seems like you understand the way it works, yet you fail to exercise it.

One comment was meant to be sarcastic. However, I'm guessing nobody caught that.

[wingnut2600]

One comment was meant to be sarcastic. However, I'm guessing nobody caught that.

huh? Catch what? Sarcasm? here? No!!!

[DigitalJunkie]

Two words, who cares! Personal Achievement = Confidence + Money + Girl(s) :)

[Star Guitar]

It is easier for girls to get guys simply because a lot of men have simply forgotten the natural methods of attracting a woman from a biological standpoint. If one looks at nature, the males of many species in all kingdoms will have particular methods and rituals when they try to attract a woman. Human males also have such methods (not like dancing or bucking, fool) that it is also possible for them to attract and date women with little difficulty. Some men understand this implicitly. Some men through their own nature, social conditioning, early life events, or the like; this ability is lost within them. The potential is almost always certainly there, but it may need to be developed.

A lot of these social cues and methods of attraction come naturally in women, (certainly more than men.) The ability to read body language, for example. This gives the appearance that women can 'date' easier than men.

For someone so inclined, this can be a very deep and enlightening subject. I've spent some months now reading books and such, wanting to know more about why things are like this, and if this situation can be changed (it can with some time and effort.)

I support Slackdaddy's recommendation of Doubleyourdates. The creator of the site is really quite educated on the subject and presents his information in a concise and easy to understand manner.

http://www.intellectualwhores.com/masterladder.html
If you look past the humor and sarcasm of the author, what he has to say can be very profound in the way relationships between guys and girls work. For some, it's stating the obvious, but it certainly is blunt.

You are not the only guy to ever ask this question. There are answers out there.

[DigitalJunkie]

First, look at yourself in the mirror then ask the girl(s) around you to help select cloths for you. FIRST IMPRESSION does matter!

Second, set a personal goal step by step. FORGET about girls for now, they will come later! When a girl that is COMPATIBLE, take a chance. There are no easy street & free lunch.

NOW, the hard parts begins...... Just remember, there will be another chance if you fail!!!

[CrashUK]

and the dumbest thread question goes too.......

men are screwed- women just need to open their legs.


men have to flash money to get anything

whats shit is that we are not born following a winning lottery ticket in a womb sack.

looks like this was started by some 14 year old virgin..

>>>>>>>men are screwed- women just need to open their legs.

No once a girl who like me ask for sex I did not like her so I say no.. thats the last time she talked to me.. so then had sex with all the lads that looked like back of a bus.. sad

[maartendc]

Its just as hard for bad looking girls to get a BF than it is for bad looking dudes to get a GF. But maybe its easier for good-looking girls to get a BF than it is for good-looking guys to get a GF...

[Nikidajen]

Dudes first prioirty: looks
Theoretical chicks first priority:looks, personality and confidence
I don't have mass money, but chicks come up to start up a conversation with me. I'm an average looking dude, I drive a honda, so there's no bling bling here, but I evidently meet a chicks criteria.
Think having criteia to meet to get a date is B.S.? Ask yourself if you would want a chick that didn't meet your first cirteria, looks?
The difference between guys that get dates and don't? I'm not silent bob one minute and then acting like Mr. Peronality the next. This sets off an alarm for chicks, I think.
If you can get a chick talking to you, 9 time out of 10, I'd say she's interested in you, she wants you to meet those criteria or you'd have gotten the blow off. Most chicks want sex and a relationship as much as we just want sex.
When I was down and out, I couldn't get a chick to look my way. That all changed when I stopped caring and got into what I wanted to do, then chicks came out of the woodwork after I figured the hell with it, I'm gonna be a hermit, I got better crap to do than chase chicks. I even started ignoring them, they just came at me harder.
This is the gayest post I have ever written.

[angryinvalid]

"girls are so much better at this game ,and in tune with their feelings ,they are constantly thinking ahead ."

Ridiculous.

This is a grave misconception. Girls are not more in touch with their feelings, they are more occupied with their feelings. Women are very often confused about what they want or feel, which is largely why it's so much a greater focus point in their lives, it needs figuring out.

Men seldom have this problem, it's just not that difficult when 60-90% of your feelings, thoughts, hopes and dreams originate between your legs.

Sadly the issue isn't as simple as men having a bigger slice of the brain set aside for sex drive.

It's an issue of hormones.

In a psych class I recently had there was a man, who had had a surgery to make him a woman. He/She....I'll say she...was given estrogen to help change her voice and other certain aspects of her being. She told us how difficult it was, and that (even though she was only on a little more than half the estrogen most women produce) she found herself becoming upset, at times when she couldn't understand why.

She said that while it was great not to be as greatly nagged by a sex drive all the time (Testosterone is the Hormone responsible for sex drive in both men and women), emotional situations of any kind became much more challenging.

Girls face emotional challenges that we don't.

Bringing all this around to the question at hand

These are the two issues responsible for the relative ease for a woman to get a man. His drive is higher, he's easier to understand (by himself and women), and he knows exactly what he wants (as a rule).

But really getting girls isn't as hard as some of us make it. I wish I mastered it much earlier in life, but i'm happy now.

Once i figured it out I enjoyed a few months of being a player, which was the second best time i've ever had. It ended when I found my girl, the one i wanted to keep, this is the best time. :icon_comp


The Ladder Theory (which someone mentioned earlier) makes some sound points, but it's not that useful in the realm of application.

If i could empart a few pieces of advice to the guys trying to attract girls (I'm not in competition with you anymore :-) i'm taken care of )

1. Useless things
There are few things more useless than the emotion fear, or it's cousins self doubt, self loathing etc.

"get confident, stupid!"
2. Confident, happy, funny these are the way to be. But don't be fake (see 3)

(insert tilte that sounds less lame than "be yourself" here)
3. Go with your strengths don't ignore what's natural. If you're naturally a little shy or embarresed about asking a girl out go with that, a bit of shyness can be a GREAT thing if handled the right way. A confident approach is generally best, but i admittedly have found appropriate times when i've even faked shyness.

If applied properly ( rather than babbling and failing to make eye contact ) your shyness, can create in a girl a sense of excitement and pride that she's attractive enough to make you feel that way.

If your embarrsed about it laugh at it. Because it's funny. Along with eating, drinking and sleeping this (the sexual thing) is the most basic thing in any mammals life, and yet some of us have made it this complicated.....that's funny.

Hugh Grant, is an exageration of this idea. I think he's a wank, and that he takes it too far, (if you ever seen a movie he's in) But girls eat that stuff up.

At any rate the Hugh Grant offensive is a fall back plan for those of you who can't take a deep breathe and act like you're proud of yourself.

honesty
4. If sex is all you want from a certain girl (or for some guys all girls) that doesn't make you a bad guy. As long as you're completly honest there's nothing wrong.

Understanding motivation

5. Girls need to understand that most guys above all else want sex, and that most guys will lie, or be otherwise deceptive to get it, if they have to.

Inversely guys need to be aware that most girls above all else want validation (knowing they're attractive physically, and knowing that they have merit beyond physical attraction) most girls are willing to be deceptive to get this (i.e. Flirt with a guy they're not really interested in, because his reactions make her feel attractive, or feign an interest in a casual physical relationship when she's really looking for something solid to give her the ultimate stamp of validation the "this is my boyfriend" stamp

you can be sure that girls are interested in sex, and you can be sure that guys like to feel wanted too, but you should be aware of what dominates they're respective Motus Operandums. This way we have fewer guys ending up frustrated and wondering why, and we have fewer girls surprised and hurt when it turns out it was all about sex.
If i may be bold enough to offer advice to women too: sex, in the begining is just sex, if you expect it to be more you're placing to much strain on both the sex itself, and on the relationship (ugh, i still don't like that word) If sex is of a secondary importance to you it doesn't mean you're "not a cool chick". Just be aware that that isn't how it works on the otherside of the fence, and don't be dishonest about it

I reached a point where i wanted to be honest, and after a lot of looking found an honest girl.

she wanted to get naked with me
I was dying to get naked with her
she hugely wanted a solid relationship
I was vaguely interested in that sort of thing.

This isn't perfect compatability (although i think it's pretty close to the norm) but we were hoenst it about it, and eventually we came to have a great relationshop...........naturally that came after the sex :icon_pira




Men and women are just different.
Get used to it.

Baby and I mainly get along well, but you have to be aware of the challenges. Most of the time things are great, I've learned to deal with her occasional emotional ........differences, and she's come to understand that my sweet side ( I do flowers, poetry, all of it) is burried under a thick layer of blow jobs and sex.
It's really there! it's not a trade. But (now i maybe only speak for myself) I can't feel happy when i'm horny, much less sweet or romantic.

[mfgbypooter]

No once a girl who like me ask for sex I did not like her so I say no.. thats the last time she talked to me.. so then had sex with all the lads that looked like back of a bus.. sadI need to start taking the bus...

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[Auggie2k]

From my two best mates are women I have learned alot about picking up women (they are actually like a gift from god for women) and what women want. Now every woman is different so it's very hard to impress the lot! Firstly and it's a must - Dress very nicely ALL THE TIME! Women hate seeing fella's dressed up only for night's out or parties ect. Always where nice shoes.. Sinead and every other girl I know really, always say that if they see a nice looking chap, the first thing they check is for nice shoes.. aparently scruffy shoes are a really big turn off, strange I know! A nice smile is always a big plus, they love a nice smelling fella (lacoste, davidoff, hugo - they work very well) and if you get lucky enough - underwear is a big choice! (It's a lot to remember I know).

Now, I would just like to add something... Women are so frickin' confusing! One girl I am always flirting with (one of the best mates actually) she always flirts back but when I asked someone else what she thought of me she said, were just good friends (there's a mood killer). Obviously I didn't stop flirting, I'm crazy about the girl, but one night we were just chilling in my friends house and I was beside her all night, and I didn't emphasise any major interest (I was tired and I had a cold) and she was (not to sound cocky) all over me. The next day I hear off sinead nothing but great things said about me! Hmmm, try and I get nothing, and then this happens! I'm about an inch away from getting her, the flirting has been crazy and it's funny really because this other girl I'm meeting, every now and again, is making blathnaid as jealous as hell! It's not even serious but it's working well!

[TiaKo]

I dont think FinalSolace meant the money comment in the way it's been take, i think he means that girls have a tendency to go for blokes with money... and i sympathise with that.

[angryinvalid]

be wary of taking advice about women from women. They tend to talk about the things that sound nice to them. Which don't always line up with the things that actually attract them.

[TiaKo]

Too true, angryinvalid....too true. Having a "good quality" doesn't always make you a "good catch".

[Potato]

be wary of taking advice about women from women. They tend to talk about the things that sound nice to them. Which don't always line up with the things that actually attract them.
Some women are pretty damn realistic.

[mfgbypooter]

I'd rather like to know how easy it is for girls to get a Girlfriend...

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[Auggie2k]

be wary of taking advice about women from women. They tend to talk about the things that sound nice to them. Which don't always line up with the things that actually attract them.So they don't want nice things? Hmm, is this another fact of women I don't know about... they say they like certain nice things but they wont attract them? Be realistic dude!

[Potato]

I'd rather like to know how easy it is for girls to get a Girlfriend...

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Apparently it's easy, but this one friend of mine has only dated a bunch of psychos.

[mfgbypooter]

I wish I'd have only dated psychos.

I married one.

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[Nikidajen]

It just amazes me that most guys don't just ask a chick if she'd like to date, hang out or whatever. I see this crap with friends of mine, a chick pays attention to them, they act like lost puppies (desperation) rather than someone who has it together. I've told 'em, she's made the first move by even talking to you, you have to take the next step. It never fails, they'll "wallflower" and someone who has an tad of confidence comes along and ask her if she'd like to go to a movie, have a drink, go to dinner, what ever, and they start dating. It seems like most guys stand around being dumbfounded about starting a realtionship. It seems that few guys initiate anything, it's usually chicks starting something up and guys having no idea what to do next.
Try just going up to a chick at what ever venue you're at and talking, it's not that hard.

[Metalseeker 79]

I think there's something deeply wrong with my entire town, because every conversation I've ever had with a girl I've dated or even been friends with inevitably ended up sounding straight out of GTA: San Andreas; incredibly awkward, boring, or frightening (usually all three. Anyone who's played the game and sent CJ out on a date knows what I'm talking about.) I just consider myself lucky that I've never been asked to go on a shooting spree in the heart of gang territory.

[Nikidajen]

I've been more fortunate. Nothing like a gangsta chick who'd rather kick some ass, argue or tell you about her crud-life. How depressing. I'd move out of there as soon as I could.

[Mels_Smileys45]

Huh? Uh uh. Nope. What? Uh huh. Yep. Bu bye.



Is it more easy for an fugly chick to get some than a un-fugly guy? At 3 a.m., you bet. Beer upgrades any chick to butt ugly or better. Don't be picky. Fat chicks need love too. Never fall in love and be an ass. Chicks love it. Word to the wise and horny.

[angryinvalid]

It just amazes me that most guys don't just ask a chick if she'd like to date.....she's made the first move by even talking to you, you have to take the next step. ...Try just going up to a chick at what ever venue you're at and talking, it's not that hard.


I definetly advise all timid men to step up.

Unless you're 14 and in Junior high school there are no negative reprecussions of asking someone out.

You see a girl, you want her, you give it a shot.

If you fail, then all that's come of it, is that you've made her feel pretty. That's it. You're not a loser, and you didn't humiliate yourself. Only good comes of trying. A lot of good if you pull it off, and a little if you don't.


I must take exception to some of what nikidajen said however.



The dynamic in our society places the spectre (albeit an overly inflated one) of rejection squarely on the man. He is expected to make a move. Generally the moves a girl makes when initiating (which some guys god help them can't see) do not involve a true declaration of intention.

Women do (for the most part) subtle, coy things. The emotional gamble is virtually non existent. Men are expected (sometimes without the luxury of prior signals from the girl), to "ask the girl out". To do the brave thing.


The real irony here is that a man approached and propositioned by even a reasonably attractive girl would be very unlikely to refuse.




BOTTOM LINE

GUYS: realize the system you're in, and that it's really not that bad or intimidating.

GIRLS: the system is set up backwards of what it should be, and if you want to step outside of it and ask a guy out you're fixing a problem for yourself, if not helping to make the world a better place.

[Afn]

Unless you're 14 and in Junior high school there are no negative reprecussions of asking someone out.


Even a single bad experience in junior high school can take years to repair from. Some families have exceptional interpersonal skills. Many families have serious, unresolved relationships and situations that are still playing out (years later) and make relationship creation very hard to impossible at any age. There is a solution, and that is to learn interpersonal skills that your family never taught you, or you were never able to "pick up" the social skills needed to initiate and create happy relationships.

Happy relationships and creating happy kids is where it is at. Now if some of us could just make enough to support a family. I have seen so many bad relationships and that is something I do not want to create - ever.

[Potato]

If and when I ever have children, I want to be in a healthy relationship. Growing up like I did is not something I want for my kids.

Whether or not it's easy to get someone is almost irrelevant. Whether or not you can maintain a healthy and meaningful relationship is the more important issue.

[hellionshookup]

No more sexist remarks. Consider this a warning.

Once again Hunter, you are so obtuse. I can remember one or two ocassions in the past couple years you've actually made ZP a better (or more fun) place. You waste the rest of your time yelling or banning haha. Get a life.

[hellionshookup]

But on the topic of this question...I'd really consider it a toss up.

Girls can be just as easily manipulated as guys, and if you choose the right style you can manipulate any type of girl. I think an important thing to note is that you gotta realize girls can get any guy cause all guys are horny but guys only want the cute girls to be horny with...you understand what i'm sayin?

[Potato]

But on the topic of this question...I'd really consider it a toss up.

Girls can be just as easily manipulated as guys, and if you choose the right style you can manipulate any type of girl. I think an important thing to note is that you gotta realize girls can get any guy cause all guys are horny but guys only want the cute girls to be horny with...you understand what i'm sayin?
Girls have standards too.

[Afn]

I have a question, and instead of starting another thread, perhaps someone knows the answer to this... it is related to this topic.

I am 24, or well I look 24. Back in march I met a girl who is under 18, I think 17, who really likes me, and my question is this. Should I ask her out?

Also, if she IS 17, is it illegal just to go out on a date? I never really thought of asking out a girl who is 17, but she said she really likes me. I do not think she is a tease. How do you handle a situation like this?

thanks!

[The Hunter]

Once again, Im going to remind you racist, or sexest remarks will not be tollerated, and will result in action being taken.

[DwarfBaby]

I have a question, and instead of starting another thread, perhaps someone knows the answer to this... it is related to this topic.

I am 24, or well I look 24. Back in march I met a girl who is under 18, I think 17, who really likes me, and my question is this. Should I ask her out?

Also, if she IS 17, is it illegal just to go out on a date? I never really thought of asking out a girl who is 17, but she said she really likes me. I do not think she is a tease. How do you handle a situation like this?

thanks!

If she's hot it's OK. A good rule of thumb is that all women are crazy so you might as well have a hot one. 17 isn't that bad as long as her parents don't care. I'm 30 so 17 would be a little creepy for me but 24's Ok.

[Mels_Smileys45]

If and when I ever have children, I want to be in a healthy relationship. Growing up like I did is not something I want for my kids.

Whether or not it's easy to get someone is almost irrelevant. Whether or not you can maintain a healthy and meaningful relationship is the more important issue.



I have so much respect for what you said there.

[cheapprick]

If and when I ever have children, I want to be in a healthy relationship. Growing up like I did is not something I want for my kids.

Whether or not it's easy to get someone is almost irrelevant. Whether or not you can maintain a healthy and meaningful relationship is the more important issue.

Fucking A. Good luck with that though.

[Potato]

I have so much respect for what you said there.
Fucking A. Good luck with that though.
Interesting, the different responses to that.

Thanks Mels.

cp: Even from my short time on this earth, and my relative inexperience with relationships, I've gotten a decent taste as to how amazingly difficult it is to maintain anything even sensible. I was recently "dumped" in the cheesiest way, by voice mail. Granted, I didn't really want to be with him anymore anyways, but it was one hell of a way to end a [almost] three year relationship.



Afn: How do YOU feel about it personally? How long until she's 18?

[Miles*]

Ouch, i would understand :icon_comp

[Lord_of_the_Dense]

Welcome to Zeropaid, Miles*!

[sister_sue48]

i think it is just as easy for male or female to find a mate just hard to keep them these days everybody out for the easy out instead of sticking it out and going for the long run don't much hear of 50 year marriages these days:icon_sunn

[ROMANTICGUY50]

I think its easier for woman to get boyfriends than the other way around. At least in my experience. Which I hate to admit has been limited.

[Afn]

i think it is just as easy for male or female to find a mate just hard to keep them these days everybody out for the easy out instead of sticking it out and going for the long run don't much hear of 50 year marriages these days:icon_sunn

Like alot of kids growing up in the 70's and 80's we have or had parents who have alot of problems. Even with all of the problems, my parents are going to be married for 35 years.

I am lucky if I can find a girl and it last 5 or 10 years. I grew up in a family that had very high expectations. I have seen my career turn into a joke, my parents lost their own home and expect me to help them make it, and dump on me while I try to make my own life.

[Potato]

My grandparents will be celebrating their 55th wedding anniversary at the end of this month. :)

[The Hunter]

My parents 63rd was on Christmas day.

[sister_sue48]

My parents 63rd was on Christmas day.
that is totally awesome major congrats to them:icon_thum