Apple releases Tiger

[Jorge]

Twenty minutes before doors would open for the Mac OS X Tiger launch party, more than 100 people lined the sidewalk outside the downtown San Francisco Apple store. At least 17 of them sported white iPod earbuds.

For the Mac community, a product launch like this one is a seriously big deal, no matter where you are in the world: On Friday, April 29, more than 1,000 people queued up for the Tiger launch in both the Tokyo and London Apple stores. And while nowhere near that many showed up at Apple's flagship downtown San Francisco outlet -- probably because the Bay Area has 11 stores -- company employees and customers were eager for the event.

"It should just be another classic example of how excited our partners and customers are about our products," said Frank Casanova, senior director for Mac OS X audio and video technologies, 30 minutes before the event began. "I'm like a little kid. This has been a long run for us … and this is it. This is our coming-out party." (Find photos of the San Francisco Tiger launch.)

Of course, big crowds for Apple product launches are not unusual. Hundreds of people flocked to the company's dozens of retail outlets for the last OS X update launch in 2003, and similar numbers were on hand when the company unveiled the iPod shuffle during MacWorld in January. And given Mac fans' fervor for the operating system and for Apple in general, it should come as no surprise that so many of them were determined to be among the very first to get their hands on one of the company's new products.

[Jorge]

Heres to you mom.

[The Hunter]

Me waves hi to your mom also.

[Krell]

more than 1,000 people queued up for the Tiger launch in both the Tokyo and London Apple stores
woowwwww more than a T H O U S A N D !




This is our coming-out party
Yah that explains a lot


MAC is lame.


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[SrBrunox]

mac is lame....but piggy backed on a pc its a tag team that cant be defeated.

g5 + pc = lots of video editing fun

[kidmidnight]

Lots of haters here. Hows Longhorn going guys? Oh yeah that's right, it's not.

OSX the best OS in the world. Don't hate if you can't afford it.

[Psilaxs]

Lots of haters here. Hows Longhorn going guys? Oh yeah that's right, it's not.

OSX the best OS in the world. Don't hate if you can't afford it.

Afford? Thats funny, your comments only prove that most mac fan boys are pompous arrogant assholes who, when faced with no other recourse for intelligent comments boil the subject down to monetary superiority.

grow up.

[kidmidnight]

Why would I want to respond intelligently to crap like "MAC is lame." and insinuations that Apple users are homosexuals. I think it's you that need to grow up.

[Krell]

But . . you did.

You did respond.

If you didnt respond intelligently, who else is to blame?

The next time, try to think before you respond, and maybe try to gay it down a little.

That "dont hate it if you cant afford it" is gay as that commercial "dont hate me because im beautiful"

We already have a "Which is better MAC or Windows" thread, so if you want to get your scrawny elitist butt kicked with the 2 other MAC users there, go ahead, gay up that thread too.


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[Psilaxs]

Why would I want to respond intelligently to crap like "MAC is lame." and insinuations that Apple users are homosexuals. I think it's you that need to grow up.


1800-ABCDEFG

It also might be you need to learn to read because I stated none of those inflamatory remarks, and neither did Krell. Saying that something is lame is an opinion, get used to it.

[EndGame]

Afford? Thats funny, your comments only prove that most mac fan boys are pompous arrogant assholes who, when faced with no other recourse for intelligent comments boil the subject down to monetary superiority.

grow up.


P.S. Take your own advice,

Second, he made a valid comment! Even though it was child like. The fact is MACs are way ahead of the game. Its not apples fault! If you want windows to beat them then fix windows.

[moneoa]

P.S. Take your own advice,

Second, he made a valid comment! Even though it was child like. The fact is MACs are way ahead of the game. Its not apples fault! If you want windows to beat them then fix windows.
Both have benifits
Its personal preference.

[nightshadow]

Looks up from the fray and sees apples and windows flying everywhere.
As soon as a break is seen I yell "I like Mandrake or maybe Red Hat, how about a little knoppix."
Apples and windows continue to fly followed by a few penguins. :icon_tong

Personally I like them all, they all have there strengths and weaknesses.
Thanks Krell for pointing out the obvious, but I think most PC bigotes were already laughing when they read Jorge's post. -No offence Jorge
I think we could really use a more positive outlook on Macs around here and I appeciate that someone actually cares enough to post about them, thanks.

[EndGame]

Both have benifits
Its personal preference.


It is about personal preference yes, I agree. But when it comes to windows vs [fill in competing OS here] Then windows WILL lose out since most users use machines for what they are which is computing. Not for spreading, virouses, trojans and spyware. The problem with windows is that for the amount of time it has been on the market it has not progressed at all! While all other OSes be it, Linux, BSD or OSX have progressed greatly to benefit the users needs!

The only thing windows fanboys do is bash other people simply because other people CAN get things done in their OS and make fun of how windows fucks up! If the fanboys of windows do not like this then why not change it? Why have the same OS that dates back to 1985! Longhorn not being ANY different exept added DRM thus causing SUPER trojans! I mean really! When one compares MacOSX with Linux, BSD and the like it could be a valid argument but also heated. But when one compares windows with anything (which is nothing more than a hobby OS hacked very very very badly) to anything then it gets retarded!

To All:->

Sure Have your preference. But stop blaming other people for the crappieness of windows by calling other people 'l33tists' simply because they were smarter than you by actually getting a computer that worked rather than sit there and try to figure out .dll hell/BSOD's et all while blaming theenduserbadhardwaresoftware's fault all the time getting slammed with trojans, spyware, viruses and malware NOT TO MENTION bad legacy support and broken applications due to "a service pack" that does more damage than an actual virus! It isn't going to fly.

So get over yourselves and move along......

[EndGame]

P.S. I'm a Linux user not a Mac user by the way! I just know a good OS when I see one!

[cpugeniusmv]

It is about personal preference yes, I agree. But when it comes to windows vs [fill in competing OS here] Then windows WILL lose out since most users use machines for what they are which is computing. Not for spreading, virouses, trojans and spyware. The problem with windows is that for the amount of time it has been on the market it has not progressed at all! While all other OSes be it, Linux, BSD or OSX have progressed greatly to benefit the users needs!

The only thing windows fanboys do is bash other people simply because other people CAN get things done in their OS and make fun of how windows fucks up! If the fanboys of windows do not like this then why not change it? Why have the same OS that dates back to 1985! Longhorn not being ANY different exept added DRM thus causing SUPER trojans! I mean really! When one compares MacOSX with Linux, BSD and the like it could be a valid argument but also heated. But when one compares windows with anything (which is nothing more than a hobby OS hacked very very very badly) to anything then it gets retarded!

To All:->

Sure Have your preference. But stop blaming other people for the crappieness of windows by calling other people 'l33tists' simply because they were smarter than you by actually getting a computer that worked rather than sit there and try to figure out .dll hell/BSOD's et all while blaming theenduserbadhardwaresoftware's fault all the time getting slammed with trojans, spyware, viruses and malware NOT TO MENTION bad legacy support and broken applications due to "a service pack" that does more damage than an actual virus! It isn't going to fly.

So get over yourselves and move along......

Viruses are an invalid argument when comparing any two operating systems. Switch them around any way you like, the OS with the most users would be flooded with viruses. Security of a computer depends much (too much?) on the user behind the keyboard.

Don't get me started on service packs. Potato has seen me on about service packs.

I've used Linux. I've used the BSDs. I know what lies beneath OSX (more on that in the next paragraph). But I always come back to Windows for my day-to-day. Why? It's not because I can't do everything I do in those other OSes, it's because it takes too damn long to figure it out. Sure I can figure it out, and would eventually be as quick as I am now in Windows. But I've got more important things to do--like eating ice cream, and polishing my skills in PHP/MySQL. And do I feel insecure or inundated with viruses when I'm in Windows? No. Because I know I'm doing the right things to prevent those types of mishaps. If you threw someone that's never used a computer before at something other than Windows (be it Linux, OSX, whatever), they would HARDLY be able to do what's so easy to do in Windows. They'd be reading manuals, and complaining because they couldn't figure it out on their own. They'd eventually give up, and sell their computer. "It's not worth it," they might think. My point: To each his own. If you can keep yourself relatively secure online, word process, print, browse the web, chat, shop online, etc without having to remember you're on a computer--you're using the right OS.

Here's my take on OSX. I haven't used it. It lies on top of BSD. If I ever had the chance to use it, I would probably like it. But I would never pay the premium for Mac hardware. Ever. It's not worth the price, in my opinion. If OSX is so much better than Windows, why doesn't Steve sell it for x86? Don't tell me it's too hard to port either, most of it already runs on the platform (read: Darwin). Ponder that.

[kidmidnight]

Nightshadow you should be happy then that Apple releases tons of it's code back to the opensource community.

[cpugeniusmv]

Nightshadow you should be happy then that Apple releases tons of it's code back to the opensource community.
And you should be happy that the open source community releases tons of its code for Apple to use.

[ducttapeBigSexy]

Yeah, I saw a line outside the Mac store by me - I just laughed and thought that my Mac using friend had Tiger for about a week before that :)

[kidmidnight]

And you should be happy that the open source community releases tons of its code for Apple to use.

Uh hu. Is this supposed to be an insult? Apple uses and helps opensource projects. That is a good thing. Or would you like every company to be like MS? Big companies with lots of money helping and using opensource software is a step foward. There are a lot of stupid people on here.

[the great one]

I use windows,but I think Macs operating system looks a hell of a lot better than windows.

Both operating sytems have their good points and bad points,period.

[Kevin33134]

Viruses are an invalid argument when comparing any two operating systems. Switch them around any way you like, the OS with the most users would be flooded with viruses. Security of a computer depends much (too much?) on the user behind the keyboard..
Yes, but the main reason why users on the Windows platform get viruses is because how computer manufacturers and Microsoft set up Windows. They set up one account that is used by default, Owner, Administrator, etc. that has administrator rights. Joe Bob isn't going to create another limited account for security when he doesn't even know why he would. Linux sort of forces you to run as an unprivileged user and use root (administrator) only when necessary. Mac OS X has root disabled by default, using sudo as the only means to install and modify stuff, although having the ability to enable it. (Ubuntu Linux follows the same principle) Windows limited accounts still have more power to cause damage to their system than low-level Linux accounts. Also, Windows doesn't make it as easy as Linux for the user to manage switching between Administrator and Limited User to install applications - fast user switching simply isn't acceptable and the secondary service installs as though the user were Administrator (settings conflicts). Linux and Mac OS X are built around security while Windows tries to add layers of security.

[Kevin33134]

Uh hu. Is this supposed to be an insult? Apple uses and helps opensource projects. That is a good thing. Or would you like every company to be like MS? Big companies with lots of money helping and using opensource software is a step foward. There are a lot of stupid people on here.
No, Apple doesn't help Open Source projects. I'll give you one example (http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/29/1556252&from=rss).

[cpugeniusmv]

Yes, but the main reason why users on the Windows platform get viruses is because how computer manufacturers and Microsoft set up Windows. They set up one account that is used by default, Owner, Administrator, etc. that has administrator rights. Joe Bob isn't going to create another limited account for security when he doesn't even know why he would. Linux sort of forces you to run as an unprivileged user and use root (administrator) only when necessary. Mac OS X has root disabled by default, using sudo as the only means to install and modify stuff, although having the ability to enable it. (Ubuntu Linux follows the same principle) Windows limited accounts still have more power to cause damage to their system than low-level Linux accounts. Also, Windows doesn't make it as easy as Linux for the user to manage switching between Administrator and Limited User to install applications - fast user switching simply isn't acceptable and the secondary service installs as though the user were Administrator (settings conflicts). Linux and Mac OS X are built around security while Windows tries to add layers of security.
What happens when Joe Bob runs a program that deletes his home directory?

[Ogi]

What happens when Joe Bob runs a program that deletes his home directory?

Then, to all intents and purposes, Joe Bob should stay away from computers. Its not possible to make an OS completely idiot-proof. Even linux and Mac's cannot. All they can do is limit the damage to one users area (unlike in windows, where you can delete the whole thing if you are not careful).

Only advice there is to make backups, at least in linux (and probably Mac) you can schedule cron jobs, I did that so that I have a daily backup just in case.



Viruses are an invalid argument when comparing any two operating systems. Switch them around any way you like, the OS with the most users would be flooded with viruses.

Well, Linux has about 60% of the internet/web server market (2003/4 data). Yet still more viruses are developed/available for windows servers and IIS (and Windows in this area only has about 15% of market share, the rest are other flavors on unix + other OS'es). How come there are still virtually no viruses for the Linux/Unix web-servers, surely they would be a rather big target (especially with so many attackes on Web-users for fraud/phishing/scamming/etc... ) taking into account their generous market share? According to your logic they should be 'flooded with viruses'.

Security of a computer depends much (too much?) on the user behind the keyboard.
I do agree that a good chunk of security depends on the user at the keyboard, which is why having solid permissions and restrictions/division between users and admins. Especially regarding software installation and system/hardware management.

In the long run for your 'Average Joe' Macs may be perfect, because there is little need to 'get under the hood'. People turn it on and use it, its all graphical. It has the Unix Stability and permissions. Its secure by default (e.g. root disabled). You just use sudo to install the software you want. then you let it run. No need to fiddle with Anti-Virus scanners, to worry about opening email attachements in case they are infected,etc... I personally think many people fiddle too much with their PC's with shareware/adware software installation and stuff like that, without actually knowing whats going on.



Uh hu. Is this supposed to be an insult? Apple uses and helps opensource projects. That is a good thing. Or would you like every company to be like MS? Big companies with lots of money helping and using opensource software is a step foward. There are a lot of stupid people on here.


No, Apple doesn't help Open Source projects. I'll give you one example.

Yes, but at the same time they are not against open-source. The entire base of MAC OSX is the open-source operating system OpenBSD. At least Apple does not go against OS software but rather tries to work with it and respect open standards. Huge chunks of OSX are open source. And Apple themselves run an BSD-like open source project, known as Darwin. They may not help Open-source projects directly, but they are willing to do business with them and work with them (thereby helping them indirectly, amongst other things giving them exposure to the public and the market), which is more then I can say for Microsoft.

[cpugeniusmv]

Then, to all intents and purposes, Joe Bob should stay away from computers. Its not possible to make an OS completely idiot-proof. Even linux and Mac's cannot. All they can do is limit the damage to one users area (unlike in windows, where you can delete the whole thing if you are not careful).

As much as I wish some people could be banned from computers for lack of "common sense", we just can't do that.
Only advice there is to make backups, at least in linux (and probably Mac) you can schedule cron jobs, I did that so that I have a daily backup just in case.

I have Scheduled Tasks to make backups in Windows. The script RARs My Documents, and uploads it to an FTP server. But most people don't know that Scheduled Tasks exist, and don't think to backup until their hard drive catches on fire.

Well, Linux has about 60% of the internet/web server market (2003/4 data). Yet still more viruses are developed/available for windows servers and IIS (and Windows in this area only has about 15% of market share, the rest are other flavors on unix + other OS'es). How come there are still virtually no viruses for the Linux/Unix web-servers, surely they would be a rather big target (especially with so many attackes on Web-users for fraud/phishing/scamming/etc... ) taking into account their generous market share? According to your logic they should be 'flooded with viruses'.
But statistics are great at lying. IIS is targetted mostly because people leave it at the default configuration, or close to it. Most servers are relatively well protected, regardless of the operating system. It depends much on the Administrator.

If I were a virus writer, I'd still tend to write for Windows only because I can say without a doubt that the ratio of Windows machines to Other is outstanding. And its users tend to be more naive.

I do agree that a good chunk of security depends on the user at the keyboard, which is why having solid permissions and restrictions/division between users and admins. Especially regarding software installation and system/hardware management.
Yep, I think it would be safer if everyone ran as a limited user. Either that, or have a firm understanding of why they shouldn't run as a super user (a combination of the two would be most effective).

In the long run for your 'Average Joe' Macs may be perfect, because there is little need to 'get under the hood'. People turn it on and use it, its all graphical. It has the Unix Stability and permissions. Its secure by default (e.g. root disabled). You just use sudo to install the software you want. then you let it run. No need to fiddle with Anti-Virus scanners, to worry about opening email attachements in case they are infected,etc... I personally think many people fiddle too much with their PC's with shareware/adware software installation and stuff like that, without actually knowing whats going on.
If you let the same people that install shareware on their PCs loose on the Mac, they'd do the same thing.

"Hey, I just got this e-mail that said if I unzip this attachment and type [u]sudo sh omfglolrm-rf/, I can see Britney Spears naked!"

The entire base of MAC OSX is the open-source operating system OpenBSD.
They actually took chunks from all the BSDs. I sometimes refer to OSX as "BSD Soup", which isn't a bad thing, for sure.

[EndGame]

And while the virus myth has now been debunked since it is NOT about quantity but about quality of a product to which is why Linux and Mac OSX is more immune (NOT because of the person but because the OS is more secure by default!). Ease of use is better with the alternative OS'es as well since you are spending more time doing your work than you are fixing it!

[cpugeniusmv]

And while the virus myth has now been debunked since it is NOT about quantity but about quality of a product to which is why Linux and Mac OSX is more immune (NOT because of the person but because the OS is more secure by default!).
I agree that an OS has an advantage if it has more secure privilege allowance, but I stand by the fact that the user still plays a very important role in maintaining the integrity of that system.

Ease of use is better with the alternative OS'es as well since you are spending more time doing your work than you are fixing it!
I don't know about anyone else, but I have a hard time getting much work done in Linux. I'm always too busy fiddling with configuration files, and the like. I still don't have power management working the way it should on my laptop. I can't speak for OSX, though, because I've never used it. I suspect your statement holds tighter for it.

[cpugeniusmv]

And...nobody's perfect (http://p2pnet.net/story/4732).