PS3 vs. Xbox2/Xenon/Xbox360

[legendsofaranna]

Who thinks PS3 is better than the Xbox360? I think it is.

[rebirth]

who knows?

where are the pix/specs?

[rebirth]

have you seen the screen shots from XBOX360?/ I dunno if any PS product can meet up to that.

here's a link http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/744/744413/imgs_1.html

[rebirth]

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/608/608335p1.html

more leaks

[legendsofaranna]

Are you sure those are in-game screenshots? Until E3 2005, all next-gen console models are fakes. Pictures from Madden Next-gen, Elders Scroll 4 Oblivion or Unreal Engine 3.0 should give you some ideas what next-gen graphics should look like.

[.:sp00ky:.]

stupid sony fanboy how can you judge 2 consoles that havnt even come out yet and you havnt played with either of them.
i personaly cant wait for both of them they will both be great.

[rebirth]

Are you sure those are in-game screenshots? Until E3 2005, all next-gen console models are fakes. Pictures from Elders Scroll 4 Oblivion or Unreal Engine 3.0 should give you some ideas what next-gen graphics should look like.


those are in-game screenshots, yes. and the console pics provided on IGN are not fakes, they have been released by MS as teasers since we are quickly approaching the XBOX debut date of May 12.

[MPXX]

I say both are going to melt (literally) with it's overpowering techniques...
But then why would you ask a question that no one can really answer at this time??

Remember what the 'x-box' prototype looked like originally....it was a huge standing silver "X" and look at it now....

[legendsofaranna]

stupid sony fanboy how can you judge 2 consoles that havnt even come out yet and you havnt played with either of them.
i personaly cant wait for both of them they will both be great.
Just look at the specs and the pictures. You don't need to play them to see if the graphics looks good. Most screenshots are in-game

[CompuGeek]

Just look at the specs and the pictures. You don't need to play them to see if the graphics looks good.

Exclusive titles sell consoles, not technical specs.

People buy Xbox to play Halo and PS2 to play GTA/FF.

:fire

[legendsofaranna]

Exclusive titles sell consoles, not technical specs.

People buy Xbox to play Halo and PS2 to play GTA/FF.

:fire
Most of the time, good quality consoles have good quality games and bad quality consoles have bad quality games.In the end, the quality of games depends on the technical specs of consoles.

[black_magiic]

those exact xbox screenshots are in the playstation.com forums as PS3 screenshots.

[rebirth]

hahah, that sucks.

[pkmugg]

I'll have to wait until the next-gen consoles are released to make up my mind. As of now it is all speculation on what they are capable of doing.

[thongsai]

well i know xbox is gonna have more high quality gfx.. but i sure miss my sony rpgs.. sony was never good to me.. my psx and ps2 broke. my xbox is still going strong. oh and those pix are nice.. i wouldnt be surprised if it really was ingame shots. with todays technology and all.. plus not having to run an OS and the devs can optimized it ..

[ccc1005]

Some of the screenshots might just be pre-rendered anyway, not the real thing. Gotta wait till both specs are released to see. I am personally getting the Xbox, cause I already have an original Xbox, and I will definately keep playing Halo 2 on live.

[Lord_of_the_Dense]

those exact xbox screenshots are in the playstation.com forums as PS3 screenshots.

Maybe the PS3 is exactly capable of standing up to Xbox2. What proof do you have?

[CompuGeek]

Most of the time, good quality consoles have good quality games and bad quality consoles have bad quality games.In the end, the quality of games depends on the technical specs of consoles.

What's a bad quality console?

[Lord_of_the_Dense]

Virtual Boy.

[wingnut2600]

my God... all these next gen consoles are going to be damned similar... it is all the marketing that will be different. Three versions of all the damned games and a few titles that are platform specific.

Graphics are going to be so powerful on each of these that the differences are going to be marginal... it will all be the innovation that each company can push. Is the ps2 that much different than the psx? It was just an incremental leap due to processing speed/power/gpu ability. The distance of the leap is not going to be as great between 5th and 6th gen as they were between 4th and 5th.

I think the Nintendo Revolution will be the console with the greatest potential due to their unique perspective, but they will not be as popular due to the public's perception of Nintendo as a "kid's" company.

The X-Box and the ps3 will be almost identical to the previous iteration. This will be good for the ps3 and box... the status quo will be maintained and no innovation will occur (this will still be lucrative... I am sure I will buy a ps3...loved the other two (especially the first... the second was just sony et al sitting on their laurels).

[CompuGeek]

my God... all these next gen consoles are going to be damned similar... it is all the marketing that will be different. Three versions of all the damned games and a few titles that are platform specific.

Graphics are going to be so powerful on each of these that the differences are going to be marginal... it will all be the innovation that each company can push. Is the ps2 that much different than the psx? It was just an incremental leap due to processing speed/power/gpu ability. The distance of the leap is not going to be as great between 5th and 6th gen as they were between 4th and 5th.

I think the Nintendo Revolution will be the console with the greatest potential due to their unique perspective, but they will not be as popular due to the public's perception of Nintendo as a "kid's" company.

The X-Box and the ps3 will be almost identical to the previous iteration. This will be good for the ps3 and box... the status quo will be maintained and no innovation will occur (this will still be lucrative... I am sure I will buy a ps3...loved the other two (especially the first... the second was just sony et al sitting on their laurels).

Yep, that's the way things are when an industry develops to mass produce an entertainment product.

Making video games is a business. Innovation is risky; the status quo is profitable.

Everyone would love innovative original games, but no one will pay to develop them.

It's a lot like movies - mostly derivative crap because people will pay for crap if you market it right.

[Excrement_Cranium]

I'll stick with my Super Nintendo Entertainment system, thank you!






P.S. Yay... new smileys!!!!! :icon_thum :icon_rr: :icon_thum :icon_pira :icon_puke

[gaining]

well i know xbox is gonna have more high quality gfx.. but i sure miss my sony rpgs.. sony was never good to me.. my psx and ps2 broke. my xbox is still going strong. oh and those pix are nice.. i wouldnt be surprised if it really was ingame shots. with todays technology and all.. plus not having to run an OS and the devs can optimized it ..



ya i also had a shitty time with my ps2, i exchanged it on 4 seperate ocasions. then i sent it to sony and they put a new dvd rom + tray in it for me.natta!! same damn thing,locks up during 4+hrs of gameplay. ARG!! i also heard that there was a class action lawsuit. verdict was that sony will replace older ps2 with there new model.
too bad i gave up and traded it for a gamecube.
as for my xbox,a better selection of games would have been nice.although its still working like a charm

as for ps3 and the xbox360 ill have to buy them both. i hope sony learned a thing or two.

[shawners]

GRand theft auto cant sale PS2. Grand Theft SA is going to play smoother and have some more things added to the game. I bought the original PS just to play tomb raider and Crash Bandicoot. The last console to get released will be the better one. The fact that they may UP some new parts to give it a better gaming system. I think that was xbox flaws.. I was modding it, looked like they kept quite a few holes in the board to add or change things around. Maybe if it couldnt get a hold of the chip it really wanted in it. Its all open in the air til release date.. Even then they may change some stuff. I wouldnt buy any console for at least a year.. BUYING a new game system thats not been fully deployed to alot of tech and game savvy people is bad. .There be defects in the system and bugs.

[muffenme]

:fire

The only way to tell which new games consel would be is how well the game are made for that system. I remember system of the pass that supose to be the greastest system for that time and fail.

Dreamcast was a 200 Mhz gaming consel that should have done well, the N64 also so have done super but the game consel that did great and is still selling are the slower 33 Mhz Playstation of the first 3d line.

Xbox is a, i think 733 Mhz, and the one that sell the best is the slower Playstation 2 and it all because the games are better not because what the hype on the system is. The Gamecube at 400 Mhz with an ATI video is supose to be better system then the Playstation 2 and yet Playstation have the better games.

There is only one question, how these better system fail?

:hole

[.:sp00ky:.]

i love my dreamcast it was a great console great graphics even greater games and it fell on its arse hard and fast.

[Auggie2k]

PS2 does the trick. When the new PS3 comes out I definitely ain't gonna buy it. The christmas after it will be half the price and still all over the shelves! It's probably gonna be like €500 and thats something I don't have lying around unfortunately!

[Betamax]

Sony have traditionally had the worst hardware, so would expect the same this time round. They're still milking their fashion-crippled fanbase after all these years but it can't go on forever.

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[legendsofaranna]

Sony have traditionally had the worst hardware, so would expect the same this time round. They're still milking their fashion-crippled fanbase after all these years but it can't go on forever.

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What are you talking about? Have you heard of the cell chip? It has a processing power of 4.6 GHZ. The fastest right now is Intel's 3.8 GHZ.

[Betamax]

What are you talking about? Have you heard of the cell chip? It has a processing power of 4.6 GHZ. The fastest right now is Intel's 3.8 GHZ.

Clockspeed is no indication of any kind of power -just ask the guys who know about PC CPU's to explain why an Athlon running at 2Ghz beats a P4 running at 3+GHz.

[legendsofaranna]

Clockspeed is no indication of any kind of power -just ask the guys who know about PC CPU's to explain why an Athlon running at 2Ghz beats a P4 running at 3+GHz.
We're talking about sony's cell chip on the ps3 not a pc. When you're playing a pc game, other programs are running taking away some processing power.

[mountain_rage]

Sony will have a modified version of the cell processor so using that to put claims of the ps3's power is useless. Considering its modified I would think that means its less powerfull because if it was more thats what they would be releasing for pc's. Also prelaunch pictures mean nothing as you dont know weather its in game footage, or just a cut scene. Generally a cut scene will look better because it doesnt have to process as much like ai and such. But like others have said there should be little differance. Hopefully sony finally resolves there texture problems and jaggies. Its become a trademark of sony. Lasty id like to point out that one of the next 3 system to come out should have 3d capabilities with glasses. I not positive but I think it was george lucas, when he was showing off the technology for home use with demos of starwars he said that they cant take the credit for being the first to bring it to home entertainment and that a consol magnufacturer will have beat them to it.

[Andrew110]

Xbox 360 is going to have 3 yes 3 3ghz processors, 9ghz in all. But betamax is right, clockspeed doesnt mean anything.

[legendsofaranna]

Xbox 360 is going to have 3 yes 3 3ghz processors, 9ghz in all. But betamax is right, clockspeed doesnt mean anything.
I doubt they have a cooling system for that much processing power. I don't think this thing is going to behave well with that much heat. It's going to break easily and then you need to buy another one if you still have that much money to pay for it. It is also not easy to code a program to maximize the use of all units at the same time. You need to break tasks down, have them executed, then put back together at the other end in the correct order. Will be cool if it works.

[Betamax]

We're talking about sony's cell chip on the ps3 not a pc. When you're playing a pc game, other programs are running taking away some processing power.

The principle is exactlly the same. In any event, IBM is doing both chips (and the Revolution CPU aswell, I think) so the difference will probably come down to the GPUs and system configuration/design (both of which Sony is crap at, btw).

[pkmugg]

The principle is exactlly the same. In any event, IBM is doing both chips (and the Revolution CPU aswell, I think) so the difference will probably come down to the GPUs and system configuration/design (both of which Sony is crap at, btw).
Also I think ATI is supplying the GPUs for the Revolution and the next Xbox.

[shawners]

Xbox and PS3 will be released closed together. XBOX did come out later then the ps2.. So there was alot more to improve. And to see where sony left off and build on it.. Hard drive, ethernet card, xbox live is as simple to get on. No buuying a memory card was always a plus.

[legendsofaranna]

Hard drive? I don't think so. Ps3 have a 200GB portable blu-ray disk. I can also say that graphics doesn't mean anything. It's the gameplay that makes a game better.

[legendsofaranna]

What's a bad quality console?
A console called phantom from infinium labs is a good example of a bad quality console. You think it can compete with Microsoft,Sony,NIntendo?

[broadwayrock]

I dont think the PS3's disc will ever come close to the 200gb you mentioned. A single layer blue ray disc is 20gb which is the more likely size used for games. Also with Sony recently agreeing for Blueray to be merged with their might be another delay for PS3.

Games will still have to be saved and upgraded, so unless Sony intend on forcing users into buying expensive proprietary memory sticks.........

[legendsofaranna]

You're wrong. A double sided, double layer blu-ray disk does actually hold 200GB. With games having better graphics, their total size will also get bigger. And i think you meant Blu-Ray disk merging with HDTV disks recently. Also, toshiba working on the cell chip wanted it to be in their HDTVs too. Blu-ray disk also serve a purpose to record HDTV shows. BD-RE, is the rewritable format developed for HDTV recording. I'm not positive about this but they might add another layer to their disk. By the way, take a look at the screenshots of the game posséssion coming out for the ps3. And if you're worried about the cost, just buy the other version because ps3 will have two versions. Recently, i read the pc magazine of april 12, 2005 and it said the cell chip is going to have 10 times the processing power of current pc chips just because the cell chip is on the ps3 rather than a pc. Also, ps3 and xbox360 won't be released close together because ps3 haven't released development kits or confirmed console images but xbox360 have. It is believed an industry insider leaked the image. I'm sure not only you people are biased with xbox stuff. IGN also have bias especially in Xbox's favour. They usually go overboard when reviewing Xbox games.
Lets see:

Doa3 - 9 points above GameRankings average.
Fable - 8 points above GameRankings average.
DOA:U - 9 points above GameRankings average.
Full Spectrum Warrior - 8 points above GameRankings average.

[legendsofaranna]

Take it for what you will, but the mag Electronic Gaming's rumor section has the following quote from their 'Q' reporter:

"Every time I’ve chatted about next-gen consoles with the development community, nobody has really been able to tell me which machine has the most horsepower...until now. One high-profile developer who has seen both PS3 and Xbox 2 technology recently whispered into my innocent ear, “The next PlayStation is way, way more powerful than Xbox 2. It’s insanely powerful.” But don’t cry, all you Xbots out there—my source promises that we’ll still be quite impressed with the capabilities of Microsoft’s Xbox successor."

I'll make sure i'll add more quotes when E3 2005 comes.

[Excrement_Cranium]

It's going to be a fight. The only system that is a strictly fan based setup will be the Nintendo Revolution. The difficult thing is fighting the hardwired Sony fan base. I own all three of the PS2, XBOX, and Gamecube... so I really have no system fanboy ties. Titles are what it's all about. Though, Sony is similar to Nintendo as in coming out with wierd technology that is high powered, yet difficult to uitilize. The 3 or 4 processor XBOX, whatever it is now, is an architecture which may be easier to program for. It will be interesting to see what the ease of programming will be like for Sony's "cell" processors. :icon_scra

[broadwayrock]

I wasnt saying it wasnt possible to have a 200gb blue ray disc, everyone knows its possible.

I was just saying the likelyhood of Sony using a 200gb one for PS3 games is very unlikely. If you see how most PS2 games fall short of the 4.7gb DVD that they use without some padding of FMV.

Why dont current generational games use double sided duel layer dvds? mainly because its cheaper to split the discs over 2 discs (if the game is large) and because the main audience who will be handling these discs will be young males (the amount of games being usuable through scratches would be high)

It would simply be a waste of money for Sony to use a duel layered double sided disc when a single will suffice.

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/playstation-3/first-ps3-screenshots-of-the-dead-101582.php

Possession looks far from being able to fill out 200gb discs. Both Doom 3 and Half Life 2 on a top end pc look tons better that those shots and they take a the space of a single layer dvd.

[sasas]

i think PS3 should have better games and awesome graphics

[legendsofaranna]

It's going to be a fight. The only system that is a strictly fan based setup will be the Nintendo Revolution. The difficult thing is fighting the hardwired Sony fan base. I own all three of the PS2, XBOX, and Gamecube... so I really have no system fanboy ties. Titles are what it's all about. Though, Sony is similar to Nintendo as in coming out with wierd technology that is high powered, yet difficult to uitilize. The 3 or 4 processor XBOX, whatever it is now, is an architecture which may be easier to program for. It will be interesting to see what the ease of programming will be like for Sony's "cell" processors. :icon_scra
Why do you think Sony and Nintendo's technology is difficult to utilize? I think xbox360's 9ghz processors are more difficult to ultilize. Refer to post number 34. Just because you own all three systems doesn't mean you're not a fanboy.

[ccc1005]

Why do you think Sony and Nintendo's technology is difficult to utilize? I think xbox360's 9ghz processors are more difficult to ultilize. Refer to post number 34. Just because you own all three systems doesn't mean you're not a fanboy.

Where are you getting the 9 Ghz processors from???

[legendsofaranna]

Xbox 360 is going to have 3 yes 3 3ghz processors, 9ghz in all. But betamax is right, clockspeed doesnt mean anything.
Hello??????? Can you read????????

[ccc1005]

Ok well your post said processors (plural), so I was confused since I knew there were 3x3 Ghz processors.

Also it really doesnt add up to 9Ghz technically because it probably wont use each processor to the fullest extent, unless the programs are designed too.

[legendsofaranna]

They would've had a dual processor if they won't use it to the fullest extent.

[Abyss00]

Elders Scroll 4 Oblivion or Unreal Engine 3.0 should give you some ideas what next-gen graphics should look like.The Elders Scroll 4 Oblivion screenshots are incredible.

http://www.elderscrolls.com/art/obliv_screenshots_01.htm

[legendsofaranna]

After all of you look at the screenshots, it becomes clear that graphics can be as good as the movie of Final Fantasy Advent Children or Spirits Within. But graphics are not the only improvements.Oblivion features a groundbreaking new AI system, called Radiant AI, which gives non-player characters (NPCs) the ability to make their own choices based on the world around them. They'll decide where to eat or who to talk to and what they'll say. They'll sleep, go to church, and even steal items, all based on their individual characteristics. Full facial animations and lip-synching, combined with full speech for all dialog, allows NPCs to come to life like never before. Sky high of a chance to be game of the year.

[legendsofaranna]

Look at what I have for all of you interested in Next Generation Consoles!

http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-x-1939-x-x-x

Read it all and let's hear your opinions.

[.:sp00ky:.]

And theirs me thinking microsoft couldnt posibley make something more vulgar looking than the xbox........
......i was so wrong
"The next Xbox will fit in better with the rest of your consumer electronics equipment."
yes...because all my other electronic equipment looks like toxic puke.

[DwarfBaby]

Blue Ray specs: http://www.blu-ray.com/info/

About 25 GB single sided
About 50 GB double sided

I believe Microsoft has a better chance this time around then they did last time. They now have some respect in the gaming industry.

As far the Cell processor it has a higher theoretical gflop rating then even Xbox's three chips combined but as most techies know Gflops can be as deceiving as the clock speed (take apples G4 for example)

Bill said the next Xbox will have 1 teraflop(CPU's and GPU), so both boxes will have plenty under the hood. I still like Sony but I think Microsoft might be the one to beat this round. Not because their hardware is superior but because they have more money to throw around and I don't think Bill wants to be second this time.

[MPXX]

LOL this is a funny thread...most of the information you guys are arguing about are specs that can change due to chip prices and manufacturing processes of these consoles.

Wait till E3 this year THEN you can go and compare the real specs (or at least close to production specs)

I actually want to see what Nintendo's hiding up their sleeves...not much solid info on their future consoles...

[legendsofaranna]

Like I said, If you want to know what the next generation consoles have then look at that site.

http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-x-1939-x-x-x

You can read what Nintendo is hiding in their sleeves on the last page. Although I have to agree E3 2005 will reveal more information. I would also like to add that one version of the console have a hard drive and the other version does not, to correct myself that the ps3 version 1 does have a hard drive. I went to a site and currently the ps3 specs are:

*Cellular Processors - powerPC
*8 APUs - Vectorial Processors each with 128K memory
*System will run at 4GHZ or 256Gflops
*1024 Bit switched front side bus
*64MB of switching memory

That's only for people that can't wait to see the ps3 specs. Specs are subject to change.

And also check out this site:

P.S. Quake 4 and Envy ( Unreal Tournament 2006 ) both have screenshots and the next generation consoles should have graphics close to that.
http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/gossip/ps3/ps3-three-times-faster-than-xbox-360-102036.php

It says PS3 Three Times Faster Than Xbox 360!

[simon_says_horrible]

http://img.engadget.com/common/images/1488407751772606.JPG

check out this leaked photos of the next-gen xbox... looks like a blender.
http://gaming.engadget.com

[legendsofaranna]

This is the confirmed xbox360. Info found here.

http://home.btconnect.com/hgi/xbox2/

And also info is easily leaked from bill gates.

http://games.techwhack.com/112/04052005-launch-details-for-xbox-2/

[broadwayrock]

The xbox 360 seems far larger than those early leaked images suggested.

Still, it does look nice and smooth.

[ccc1005]

It amazes me how much creedence you actually give these "screenshots", havent you noticed how the actual games never seem to live up to these "screenshots". Most of these are pre-rendered, not real-time shots, so you never really know whether these are true or not..

[legendsofaranna]

New next generation consoles review on gamespot!!!

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/playstation3hardware/media.html?gcst=nextgen1_vf_050605.asx

Next generation consoles is going to have so good graphics that there won't be a difference between pre-rendered and real time. Everyone in america will have one of these. Let the gaming industry beat the movie industry.

[CompuGeek]

New next generation consoles review on gamespot!!!

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/playstation3hardware/media.html?gcst=nextgen1_vf_050605.asx

Next generation consoles is going to have so good graphics that there won't be a difference between pre-rendered and real time. Everyone in america will have one of these. Let the gaming industry beat the movie industry.

I can't wait to buy a video game console built with nanotechnology.

[CRLocky]

I can't wait to buy a video game console built with nanotechnology.

Damn!.. someone beat me to it....

[Lord_of_the_Dense]

-l-m-a-o-!

[moneoa]

Taken By MTV for the "unvieling"

Thanks allot Bill but I already have 2 Xbox's 360's

Its called my laptop and computer dumbass. :hi

[moneoa]

I was unaware this pic was in another thread If the mods would like to move this or delete

[wingnut2600]

You could always delete it yourself by editing the first post.

[moneoa]

You could always delete it yourself by editing the first post.
for some reason I have been unable to delete my first posts on any of my threads for months now

[.:sp00ky:.]

do you get the head with it?

[moneoa]

do you get the head with it?
:icon_scra ?
Whaaaa?

[Lord_of_the_Dense]

Styrofoam head.

(thread merged)

[legendsofaranna]

MTV/Xbox360 Ad Unveiled

Further to earlier reports that May 12th will see the unveiling of Xbox360 on MTV, the music channel has today revealed the TV commercial used to promote the 30 minute show.

Slick and perhaps overly so, the 30-second long TV spot shows a green electric ribbon travelling across global cities as people stop to view this ‘marvel’ before the camera pulls out to reveal the world surrounded by concentric circles before ending with a new slick san-serif ‘Xbox.’

As over-produced as the commercial is, the one thing that actually stands out is how different the approach to advertising the Xbox360 is from the bold assertive campaigns that launched the original Xbox at the end of 2001 and Spring 2002.

[.:sp00ky:.]

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/6412.cfm

the official xbox specifications are their they were leeked today just sounds like a pc to me and look you can change the button on the front on even more vuglar colours.

[Wipeout]

It amazes me how much creedence you actually give these "screenshots", havent you noticed how the actual games never seem to live up to these "screenshots". Most of these are pre-rendered, not real-time shots, so you never really know whether these are true or not..
Right now, combining all the screenshots of games coming out to xbox 360 ( yes, May 12 MTV night show confirmed the next xbox to be called xbox 360 ) these games have in game/real time screenshots. Right now, I'll predict there are 40 screenshots? Today, I looked at Test Drive Unlimited screenshots showing cars on the road and they are just racing each other. You know......racing games does not really have that much FMV ( full motion videos ) or pre-rendered/cutscenes. Saw the most realistic trees I ever saw in a game. I saw the reflection of trees from the black car. The screenshots, in fact, were taken around the car in 360 degrees.

Also found some new news. Today I went to a site and It said you could customize xbox360 in any way you want. Something like changing the colour. It has everything xbox live have but improving all of the features of it in every way possible. It can stand vertically like to ps2 except this time, it's on the right. Hard drive can be upgraded and it is removable. Each day, more screenshots are up and running on the internet.

And as far as things go, Ps3 and Revolutions still have something fishy up their sleeves. So, wait a little while and once we know more about what the 3 consoles are capable of doing, then that's when we should compare them.

I suggest you watch the video about " Xbox Unveiling " on gametrailers.com. It's better to know about the new xbox visually.

[Vietfobster]

game freak lol

[shawners]

All the games are made on computers and built to run on xbox. So graphics will never be as good as the pc with the top of the line parts.

[wingnut2600]

X-Box 360.... Yawn... at least they did not have Elijah Woods standing next to tall people... he is such a tiny man/boy.

[Dragonball Z]

With videos and trailers of xbox 360 games, there is no way anybody can say they are pre-rendered.

[broadwayrock]

especially at those choppy frame rates

[Wipeout]

With videos and trailers of xbox 360 games, there is no way anybody can say they are pre-rendered.
You're right. After watching a video of a survival horror game, Condemned, coming out for this console, I'm gonna say it is real time.

[ccc1005]

With videos and trailers of xbox 360 games, there is no way anybody can say they are pre-rendered.

Remember how that Halo 2 trailer was "in game footage", can you find that level for me in the actual game?? Just because its a trailer, doesnt mean they could put together something for a 15-second clip to show it off, those clips we got in that MTV "special" mean nothing.

Im sure some are real-time, but you never really know...

[Wipeout]

The two-minute trailer is not a pre-rendered movie. It's officially in-game footage. The trailer shows off in-game graphics, physics, sound, and gameplay, and it displays several key hallmarks we'd all hoped to see in next-generation games.


http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/611/611335p1.html

I know it is in-game footage because they actually said it is in-game footage. They are not lying. And I also don't know why the halo 2 trailer did not look like in-game.

In case you can't see it, it is located in the second paragraph.

[ccc1005]

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/611/611335p1.html

I know it is in-game footage because they actually said it is in-game footage. They are not lying. And I also don't know why the halo 2 trailer did not look like in-game.

In case you can't see it, it is located in the second paragraph.

Well it did look like in-game but it was a pre-made level that never even appeared in the game. Therefore they could have added in things that never made the final cut.

And ya I admit that most of them are ingame, but ya never know about some of them. Read this article (http://xbox.gamespy.com/xbox/madden-nfl-2006/606959p1.html) and you can see what I mean...

Concerning the Madden 06 trailer:

"The video that we'd be watching wasn't from the game itself, it was a pre-rendered interpretation of what the next-generation could look like. This was a bit disappointing, as we've all seen pre-rendered movies before, but he assured us that the real thing would actually look better. People, he said, are used to seeing early cinematics and being underwhelmed by the actual game when it's released, but it will be quite the opposite this time around.

As a game journalist, I've learned to take claims like this with a giant grain of salt. However, they went so far as to actually tell us that the designers and programmers working on the game asked that the artist's interpretation not be shown to the public, since it really isn't indicative of what the final game will actually look like. According to them, the game will actually look better than the pre-rendered movie. If that's really the case, we'll be seeing something truly amazing sometime near the end of the year."

[Wipeout]

If that's really the case, we'll be seeing something truly amazing sometime near the end of the year."
If that's really the case, it is very likely it will have CG quality graphics of FF: Advent Children. Graphics will have 32,768 bits. If that is true, there might not be any more improvements of desktop virtual reality. IMO, games are going to go into first person virtual reality. Here is some rumors:

In case you did not know, I went to gametrailers.com and I found out a video titled nintendo revolution ( it is a fan mockup video ) and it shows the next console after nintendo revolution. It is called Nintendo ON. Now that is what I call revolutionary. They have that thing you wear like glasses that covers your eyes so that all you can see is the game environment itself. You could also create your own game on one side and play games on the other side. DVD loads in 30 seconds. Here is the link to the video:

http://gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=1656

I only hope this is really what we will see in 4-5 years in the future. Sure........4-5 years later, we will all have HDTVs. ( except the poor ) Saw an article saying at the end of this year, there's going to be lots of HDTV channels available.

For more information check out:
http://gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=1589

Things shaping up good. It has been confirmed that all xbox360 games will have high definition. Controller makes controls seem invisible. Audio with surround sound says you will turn your head around cause you heard something coming from behind.

This is what that guy said at the end of the second xbox360 video:

" It is always on. It is always connected. It is always personalized. It is always in high def. You are in control."

Ok, wait until monday for Ps3 and Xbox360 E3 conference.

[Wipeout]

Oh My Fucking God!!! This Is My Fucking Luckiest Day Ever!!! PS3!!! THE BEST CONSOLE, PS3 CONFIRMED PICTURE!!!!

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/614/614619p1.html

THE WORLD IS FINALLY HERE!!!! THE CONFIRMED PICTURE!!!!

I LOVE PS3!!!!

It will support Blu-ray (obviously), DVD±R/W, CD-R/RW
Backwards compatible with the PlayStation 2 and original Playstation
One 3.2GHz Cell processor—total system performance rated at 2.18 teraflops (uh, that’s actually about twice what Microsoft is claiming the Xbox 360 will do); it will have 256MB system RAM 3.2GHz, and 256MB GDDR VRAM at 700MHz
The nVidia graphics will be called the RSX (”Reality Synthesizer”), and will trump the Xbox 360 with 1080p (yes, that’s a p) graphics support.
There will be a 2.5-inch hard drive (i.e. laptop hard drive) attachment—a first for a Sony launch (no, we don’t count the PSX and/or the FF add-on)
Memory Stick Duo slot, and very surprisingly, an SD and CF slots
Bluetooth support with up to seven wireless controllers
Six USB system ports

[broadwayrock]

Someone whos life is validated some a flipping picture of a console is a bit of a...........

Anyway, concerning the picture: design wise it looks a bit dull compared to the xbox360.

I do like the pad though (in a kind of batman boomarang kind of way)

[Wipeout]

How do you like the specs? People and All members, Since specs have been announced, it is time to really argue which one is the best!!!! Ps3 all the way. Nobody will change my mind.

[Krell]

Cmon . . . drink some gasoline . . . you know you want to!

We are all SICK of your constant spamming you troll-faced-post-whore.

.

[Wipeout]

hello? know what ps3 means? maybe you are not into gaming.

No gamer is not excited about ps3. If you call it a spam, well, it's just a guess you hate games.

[broadwayrock]

Gamers maybe excited about the PS3 but not sexually excited like you seem to be.

Its way too early to decide what console to buy. I remember seeing the videos for the PS2 and being blown away by them. When the PS2 finally got released, its graphics didnt even come close to the quality of the videos i saw.

We dont hate games we just hate retard fanboys.

[muffenme]

I like the new ps3 that I getting one myself when I have enough money and I use my PS2 towards it.

[Gamer8585]

After seeing the specs for the PS3, and the Xbox 360 I'm defanitly saving up to buy a PS3. My descion is based mostly on the backward compatiblity, I still love all of my old PS1 and PS2 games. I just hope that Sony has learned its lesson about hardware and that the Blu-Ray disk player dosen't crap out like the DVD players did on so many PS2 (I've had my PS2 since launch and the DVD player stopped reading DVDs a month ago.)

[Nightbolt90]

Well we dont really know much about either accually. However. we can defing some points from the info found at the moment.
About the ps3
The ps3 is going to be approximatley 3.0 times more powerfull than the xbox 2. The ps3 has backwardscompatibilty (it can play all other ps games). the ps3 has the new blu-ray discs which hold much more information than a normal cd. The ps3 is going to have the "cell" chip which i dont really know much about but, alas xbox fans, it is going to be more powerfull than the xbox's one.the ps3 is going to have a more powerfull graphix card. this is an absolute definite fact. and the ps3 has moregames and more popular ttles that people know like final fantasay and tombraider andgta.
The xbox
on the other hand the xbox has halo but just in my opinion i dont like this game (it can get really boring). The xbox is made by microsoft which is a famos computer company (is that good or bad :icon_tong ) but still, they are experienced in making games and all that.
I mean i cant really think of many things and realy im trying to put this in a non biast way, but still. i mean which ever one is more powerfull isin't going to nessecarally mean that that onewill have bettre grafix. iv'e seen xbox graphix which are worse than ps2 grafx. but anyway in the end the one with the bettre specs is going to run the better games, and the one which wins in the ar is the ps3. well, i know which one i'm bying ;).

[Nightbolt90]

HERE ARE THE OFFICIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE PLAYSTATION3 AND XBOX2.
THEY ARE ABSOLUTE SOURCED FROM THERE REPRESENTATIVE COMPANIES.


PlayStation 3 SPECIFICATIONS

CPU

Cell Processor
PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz
1 VMX vector unit per core
512KB L2 cache
7 x SPE @3.2GHz
7 x 128b 128 SIMD GPRs
7 x 256KB SRAM for SPE
* 1 of 8 SPEs reserved for redundancy
total floating point performance: 218 GFLOPS

GPU

RSX @550MHz
1.8 TFLOPS floating point performance
Full HD (up to 1080p) x 2 channels
Multi-way programmable parallel floating point shader pipelines

Sound

Dolby 5.1ch, DTS, LPCM, etc. (Cell- base processing)

Memory

256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz 256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz

System Bandwidth

Main RAM 25.6GB/s
VRAM 22.4GB/s
RSX 20GB/s (write) + 15GB/s (read)
SB< 2.5GB/s (write) + 2.5GB/s (read)

System Floating Point Performance

2 TFLOPS

Storage

Detachable 2.5" HDD slot x 1

I/O

USB Front x 4, Rear x 2 (USB2.0)
Memory Stick standard/Duo, PRO x 1
SD standard/mini x 1
CompactFlash (Type I, II) x 1

Communication

Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T) x 3 (input x 1 + output x 2)
Wi-Fi IEEE 802.11 b/g
Bluetooth 2.0 (EDR)

Controller

Bluetooth (up to 7)
USB 2.0 (wired)
Wi-Fi (PSP)
Network (over IP)

AV Output

Screen size: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
HDMI: HDMI out x 2
Analog: AV MULTI OUT x 1
Digital audio: DIGITAL OUT (OPTICAL) x 1

Disc Media

CD PlayStation CD-ROM, PlayStation 2 CD-ROM, CD-DA, CD-DA (ROM), CD-R, CD-RW, SACD, SACD Hybrid (CD layer), SACD HD, DualDisc, DualDisc (audio side), DualDisc (DVD side)
DVD: PlayStation 2 DVD-ROM, PlayStation 3 DVD-ROM, DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW
Blu-ray Disc: PlayStation 3 BD-ROM, BD-Video, BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE

Sourced from SONY CORP.






Xbox 360 SPECIFICITIONS

Custom IBM PowerPC-based CPU

* Three symmetrical cores running at 3.2 GHz each
* Two hardware threads per core; six hardware threads total
* VMX-128 vector unit per core; three total
* 128 VMX-128 registers per hardware thread
* 1 MB L2 cache

CPU Game Math Performance

* 9 billion dot product operations per second

Custom ATI Graphics Processor

* 10 MB of embedded DRAM
* 48-way parallel floating-point dynamically scheduled shader pipelines
* Unified shader architecture

Polygon Performance

* 500 million triangles per second

Pixel Fill Rate

* 16 gigasamples per second fill rate using 4x MSAA

Shader Performance

* 48 billion shader operations per second

Memory

* 512 MB of 700 MHz GDDR3 RAM
* Unified memory architecture

Memory Bandwidth

* 22.4 GB/s memory interface bus bandwidth
* 256 GB/s memory bandwidth to EDRAM
* 21.6 GB/s front-side bus

Overall System Floating-Point Performance

* 1 teraflop

Storage

* Detachable and upgradeable 20GB hard drive
* 12x dual-layer DVD-ROM
* Memory Unit support starting at 64 MB

I/O

* Support for up to four wireless game controllers
* Three USB 2.0 ports
* Two memory unit slots

Optimized for Online

* Instant, out-of-the-box access to Xbox Live features with broadband service, including Xbox Live Marketplace for downloadable content, gamer profile for digital identity, and voice chat to talk to friends while playing games, watching movies, or listening to music
* Built-in Ethernet port
* Wi-Fi ready: 802.11a, 802.11b, and 802.11g
* Video camera ready

Digital Media Support

* Support for DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R/RW, DVD+R/RW, CD-DA, CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW, WMA CD, MP3 CD, JPEG Photo CD • Ability to stream media from portable music devices, digital cameras and Windows XP-based PCs
* Ability to rip music to the Xbox 360 hard drive
* Custom playlists in every game
* Built-in Media Center Extender for Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005
* Interactive, full-screen 3-D visualizers

High-Definition Game Support

* All games supported at 16:9, 720p, and 1080i, anti-aliasing
* Standard-definition and high-definition video output supported

Audio

* Multi-channel surround sound output
* Supports 48KHz 16-bit audio
* 320 independent decompression channels
* 32-bit audio processing
* Over 256 audio channels

System Orientation

* Stands vertically or horizontally

Customizable Face Plates

* Interchangeable to personalize the console


NOW YOU READ THAT, COMPARE IT AND TELL ME WHICH ONE'S BETTER.

[ccc1005]

I love how everyone compares just based on the processor speed, which doesnt really make much of a difference, its the games that come out for each that matter. I will personally stick with Xbox 360 because of Halo 3, PGR 3, and Amped 3 myself, as well as the Xbox Live service...

Also who cares if its backwards compatable, just either hook both the original and the new up at the same time, or just swap the cables, it takes all of 10 seconds...

[ccc1005]

Well we dont really know much about either accually. However. we can defing some points from the info found at the moment.
About the ps3
The ps3 is going to be approximatley 3.0 times more powerfull than the xbox 2. The ps3 has backwardscompatibilty (it can play all other ps games). the ps3 has the new blu-ray discs which hold much more information than a normal cd. The ps3 is going to have the "cell" chip which i dont really know much about but, alas xbox fans, it is going to be more powerfull than the xbox's one.the ps3 is going to have a more powerfull graphix card. this is an absolute definite fact. and the ps3 has moregames and more popular ttles that people know like final fantasay and tombraider andgta.
The xbox
on the other hand the xbox has halo but just in my opinion i dont like this game (it can get really boring). The xbox is made by microsoft which is a famos computer company (is that good or bad :icon_tong ) but still, they are experienced in making games and all that.
I mean i cant really think of many things and realy im trying to put this in a non biast way, but still. i mean which ever one is more powerfull isin't going to nessecarally mean that that onewill have bettre grafix. iv'e seen xbox graphix which are worse than ps2 grafx. but anyway in the end the one with the bettre specs is going to run the better games, and the one which wins in the ar is the ps3. well, i know which one i'm bying ;).

Amazing how little truth there is in that whole statement... You say that the processor is faster etc, but then say the Original Xbox which was much faster than the PS2 but the Xbox has worse graphics.... You go ahead and miss out on the halo fun, funny how 6.5 million copies of that game sold, hmm :)

Also where are you getting 3 times faster for the processor? And both video cards run at 500 Mhz core, so one can't really be much faster than the other...

[Wipeout]

He is getting that info from the specs. Did you actually read the specs? lol, wouldn't be asking that if you did. But he is right. The ps3 processor is faster than the xbox360. He did not say xbox has worst graphics. He said it depends if the games use the full potential of the hardware. Halo........ya, it is fun for the first four weeks. Anything else you find untruthful?

[jakeism]

So far, hands down, PS3 is better then XBOX 360.

But PS3 will be a lot more then XBOX 360. XBOX is turning into a multi-media center, while PS3 is staying strong with its real purpose, a friggin gaming machine.

[ccc1005]

Ya i did read the specs, 2 TFlops is not 3x 1 TFlop, do the MATH. And o well 550Mhz vs. 500Mhz isnt all there is, you need to know how many pixel pipelines for example as those affect it quite a bit. Also ATI already has 540Mhz cards so I dunno why the Xbox is only 500Mhz, must have 16 pixel pipelines tho which is nice.

Also you do realize that 2000x1000 resolution is not one of the HD specs which are 480,720, and 1080 so I dont know where that resoluton is coming from, since its not even a 16:9 ratio...

Decoding 12 movies, for what... and what is that even supposed to mean.

Also games have to use the whole processor, which im sure is a lot more complicated to program, and who knows if they will even use the full capabilities of each of these multi-cell or whatever processors, look how few apps today utilize multi-core processors.

And I like that the XBOX is multi-media, what is the problem with that, I love playing PGR or Amped and listening to my own playlists. The more features the better if you ask me.

I guess we will see what happens in the end, I'm sure these specs are subject to change for both, since we have quite some time until they are available.

[ccc1005]

Also have any of you looked at what a teraflop actually is, these 1 and 2 TFlop values dont seem realistic AT ALL. Look at this list of the TOP 500 supercomputers (http://www.top500.org/lists/plists.php?TB=1&M=11&Y=2004) in the world...

I dont think these machines will come close to that...

For example a supercomputer with gig-ethernet and 512 x BladeCenter Xeon 3.06 GHz does on the order of 2 Tflops..., this would essentially put the PS3 and Xbox360 in the top 100 supercomputers in the world.. ya right....

[Wipeout]

Umm, Ps3 nvidia gpu clock speed is actually @ 550MHz. "ATI already has 540Mhz cards so I dunno why the Xbox is only 500Mhz" clock speed does not mean polygons per second. It means the performance of the video card. Everything else......it is written right on the screen of sony's press conference.

[ccc1005]

All they released was the core speed of the graphics card which really means nothing..

The key thing its to wait and see what the final specs are and what games come out, these preliminary specs dont meant all to much at the moment, gotta see what games etc are coming out.

[Wipeout]

See, if you want to know about the confirmed ps3 games then you should really watch the sony press conference. All the confirmed games are shown there. They are all real time movies because they said they are. The most groundbreaking graphical game is Gears of War. It uses the unreal engine 3.0 which makes faces look like they are made of flesh and bones.

[.:sp00ky:.]

"They are all real time movies because they said they are."

Their not hardly any of them were.

[Wipeout]

Your proof?

[.:sp00ky:.]

sony rang me up heres what they said:

"oh man all the videos were just fmv just like always when we release a new computer(remember the bouncer lolz!) but man was it funny seeing all the fanboys jerking over it and 2seconds after seeing them spam everyboard on the internet with"oo dudez ps3 kickz xboxz ass we onwz u bitchz" hehehe we sure do rock"

thats word for word.

[Wipeout]

give me the site where they said it please. You could have made that up.

[Wipeout]

And I want an official site, not a forum

[.:sp00ky:.]

why would a phone call be on a website.

EDIT: learn how to edit your posts.

[Wipeout]

I don't trust phone calls because you don't work for sony. Now, I want an official site. Why would they tell you and not tell the rest of the world? I also want to let you know that Sony does not lie in a press conference right at E3 2005 with every ps3 fan watching them.

[Lord_of_the_Dense]

Let it go Wipeout.

Please.

Just let it go.

[Wipeout]

Alright Spooky. I assume you made that up. So spooky, next time you want to say something, please have an official proof.

[rebirth]

btw, the PS3 is the ugliest thing ever. along with the controller.

[Wipeout]

Why is it ugly?

Ok, it might be ugly on the outside but not on the inside. Plus, a controller is made to be comfortable.

[rebirth]

WTF, have you no eyes?

[rebirth]

plus, I will never buy a PS3, that thing would not fit a room ANYWHERE, so ...fuck it, get an XBOX 360. and there's NO way that controller will be comfortable

[Wipeout]

WTF are you saying. Have you used the controllers before? NO!!!! And it's not my problem your living room is that small that it can't fit a ps3.

[wingnut2600]

WTF are you saying. Have you used the controllers before? NO!!!! And it's not my problem your living room is that small that it can't fit a ps3.

I have a pre-released version of the ps3, and I had to buy a bigger house to fit it into my living room... plus a new monitor that would display up to 1000x2000...

next I am going to get my hands modified so that they will curve like the new controllers...

I even came up with a name for their new controller type... I will dub it... the DUAL SHOCK 3!!!

Dude... I am as excited as the next guy (no... way more) about new consoles... I just wait for the shit to come out (or more detailed - or whole games) befoe I start fanboying... that said... i already know that the Nintendo Rev will play many good games :D

[Lord_of_the_Dense]

OK, rebirth, ugly...yeah..gotcha.

Better than looking like it has a girdle on ("Oh, but it's supposed to simulate an inhale."-- how fucking poetic)

I am currently a Sony fanboy. If X-bucks can convince me it's the better console, I may get it in addition to the PS3. I would like to utilize my PS1/PS2 collection and I know there will be some great titles for PS3. To date, I have not been impressed with 1 Xbox title. No, not even Halo/Halo2.

Everyone needs to give the controllers a break. They're what you call peripherals. Aside from the actual gaming system, everything else is usually made by 3rd parties.Get a different controller if it pre-sucks so bad. Speaking of which...

Dammit Sony! What am I gonna do with all my corded controllers??

(Oops.)

Ahem...

I think all systems will have their pros and cons. I am just leaning more towards Sony, followed by Nintendo and finally Microsoft. The PS3 is not that big..about the same size as the PS2.

It will be ok.

Really. It will.

[Wipeout]

Wingnut, you don't have pre-released version. Even if you do, there is no shit games released right now for it anyways. And it isn't a monitor. It is HDTV. And I know nintendo rev will play many good kids games.

[Masterem67]

Being both systems are comming out around the same time the hardware is going to run games almost just as well. Its going to come down to the software. Microsoft is the king when it comes to software, Halo 3 is going to be fuckin awesome. Sony on the other hand is just going to have 3rd party release titles like the GTA series. I doubt Sony is going to make a huge break in the market with a new Crash Bandicoot game. lol

[Wipeout]

Microsoft good at software? LMAO, linux is even better than windows. And please look at specs.

And ya, if you go to gamespot.com and go to the bottom right corner of the site, you will see a poll. If you click on poll results, you will see that ps3 have the most votes.

[ccc1005]

And ya, if you go to gamespot.com and go to the bottom right corner of the site, you will see a poll. If you click on poll results, you will see that ps3 have the most votes.

Woah they are winning in a POLL, OMG, who cares.... only 10,000 people voted in the first place....

Also those specs are total crap, did you see the post I made earlier about the supercomputers, there is no way these things will be in the top 100 supercomputers in the world, if 512 x 3.2 Ghz processors can barely hit 2Tflops, no way these "cell" processors will come close. Maybe they combined the video and CPU power together to inflate it like this. Also that 2000x1000 or whatever bogus resolution that is makes no sense, and why limit it to 7 controllers, why not 8...

Secondly where are you getting 3 times more powerful, last time i checked 2 Tflops was only 2 times greater than 1Tflop...

Some of this stuff just doesnt seem to add up if you ask me...

Being both systems are comming out around the same time the hardware is going to run games almost just as well. Its going to come down to the software. Microsoft is the king when it comes to software, Halo 3 is going to be fuckin awesome. Sony on the other hand is just going to have 3rd party release titles like the GTA series. I doubt Sony is going to make a huge break in the market with a new Crash Bandicoot game. lol

Can't wait myself, with all the new Live features, and Halo 3 coming out its gonna be a blast, not to mention all the other awesome titles, although I will lose all my pretty Halo 2 stats, haha o well.

[Wipeout]

So you expect the jump from something like ps2 to something like a supercomputer ? Wow, seems like you need a time machine. And I can also say xbox360 is nowhere near supercomputer if you want to compare it that way. And like I said before, the resolution was said right on the screen of the sony press conference. I don't want to repeat that again. And the 3 times more powerful is here: http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/gossip/ps3/ps3-three-times-faster-than-xbox-360-102036.php
Please don't ask me about the 7 controllers thing. Ask Sony because I don't work for them. Does this all add up now?