Warning: File sharing related news but is graphic. Please be advised.

[moneoa]

So I took down the article itself, sufficent to say it was pretty bad

The question I wanted to get discussed was should there be another effort
to identify Kiddie porn peddlers like the wall of shame (http://www.zeropaid.com/busted/)

This news story is not cool but if you would like to see what prompted this question
refer to A Louisiana news station (http://www.wafb.com/Global/story.asp?S=3186799)

[moneoa]

I have been told wayyy back there used to be a community effort called the "wall of shame" where we posted info about people we found like this guy to hopefully bust their sorry asses.

Was this taken down for legal reasons? (privacy perhaps)

[ferrarimodena360]

we all have our dark sides, those who get caught are guilty, those who are not are critical
i dont support child abuse, or incest or whatever
but we all have our dark sides

[ourthing2]

I have been told wayyy back there used to be a community effort called the "wall of shame" where we posted info about people we found like this guy to hopefully bust their sorry asses.

Was this taken down for legal reasons? (privacy perhaps)
it's still there, although a tad out of date http://www.zeropaid.com/busted/

[.:sp00ky:.]

"we all have our dark sides, those who get caught are guilty, those who are not are critical
i dont support child abuse, or incest or whatever
but we all have our dark sides"

What a arsehole of a comment to make,no we dont ALL wanna rape 3year old kids YOU might want to but dont try and say we all do.

[moneoa]

Well I was thinking maybe we could do another effort like the wall of Shame, it's a drop in the bucket but it's something.

Police resources are stretched to the max on this stuff, I am suprised they dont welcome help from the file sharing community in busting pervs.

[ferrarimodena360]

What a arsehole of a comment to make,no we dont ALL wanna rape 3year old kids YOU might want to but dont try and say we all do.

i dont like child porn
No Thank You

but i beieve in: to each himself

[.:sp00ky:.]

yeah its good how they put so much money and effort into busting little kids for downloading a few pop songs but they dont in trying to bust peados.

[.:sp00ky:.]

"i dont like child porn
No Thank You

but i beieve in: to each himself"

Thats not the point fine if you believe that but not when it involes hurting others.

[SanDiegoKid]

You child porn p2p sickos.

[Auggie2k]

This is not news we wish to hear about.. it's just sick!

[moneoa]

This is not news we wish to hear about.. it's just sick!
There was a motive for doing so if you read the posts.
Pretending its not there if you dont read it does not take away the problem,
So covering your ears and your eyes when something like this pops up does nothing.

I think maybe we should consider something like the wall of shame again.

and yes it is sick which is why there are disclaimers.

[crackerjacker]

This is really sick and sad man.

[crackerjacker]

When this sick basterd goes to jail they are going to kill him and teach him a lesson he wont forget. The saddest part of all of this though is how will they find the little kids who are abused, as well as those sick fucking pieces of shit who did that to them innocent kids.

I say they should post pictures of the sick fucks all over the net, banner exchanges or whatever needs to be done to find these sickos.

this is totally shocking.

[moneoa]

I say they should post pictures of the sick fucks all over the net, banner exchanges or whatever needs to be done to find these sickos.

I agree and it actually suprises me there are not more organizations that don't try.
Fight the evils of technology with the power of technology.

Thats why I think a new Wall of Shame is a good idea.

[earsausage]

like my grandpappy used to say, "don't rape 6 year olds."




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"Indent and die!" - Edga Jr.

[Auggie2k]

Name and shame the evil fucks!

[Dark Messenger]

So I took down the article itself, sufficent to say it was pretty bad

The question I wanted to get discussed was should there be another effort
to identify Kiddie porn peddlers like the wall of shame (http://www.zeropaid.com/busted/)

This news story is not cool but if you would like to see what prompted this question
refer to A Loisiana news station (http://www.wafb.com/Global/story.asp?S=3186799)

you are a sick fukk for wanting to look at child porn, monea!

[Digital Bliss]

ferrarimodena360 is right to an extent just because someone dls child porn which in its self is just wrong does not mean they are going to go out and abuse children just like in games where you kill people you dont go to your local walmart and buy a gun. I was reading a study about this and it was said that people that dl it are not very likely to act on it but this is a good idea sometime of list but people can change their names and what not so id how good it would work

[Dark Messenger]

ferrarimodena360 is right to an extent just because someone dls child porn which in its self is just wrong does not mean they are going to go out and abuse children just like in games where you kill people you dont go to your local walmart and buy a gun. I was reading a study about this and it was said that people that dl it are not very likely to act on it but this is a good idea sometime of list but people can change their names and what not so id how good it would work

This is almost as sick as that beastiality thread that was allowed to be posted here recently. I do not think these things are appropriate or acceptable content for zeropaid.

[.:sp00ky:.]

ferrarimodena360 is right to an extent just because someone dls child porn which in its self is just wrong does not mean they are going to go out and abuse children just like in games where you kill people you dont go to your local walmart and buy a gun. I was reading a study about this and it was said that people that dl it are not very likely to act on it but this is a good idea sometime of list but people can change their names and what not so id how good it would work

omg are you really that stupid? People who download it like this guy encourage the sick fucks to make more and film it and put it on the net e.g sell it on sites or put it on p2p.
The people who download it and store it like this guy did are just as bad as the arseholes how make this fucked up stuff in the first place.

[ferrarimodena360]

like my grandpappy used to say, "don't rape 6 year olds."




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"Indent and die!" - Edga Jr.


lol :aim ................................................

[moneoa]

This is almost as sick as that beastiality thread that was allowed to be posted here recently. I do not think these things are appropriate or acceptable content for zeropaid.
Why? Its file sharing related and the wall is something ZP did before.

So answer the question, do you think something like the wall is a good idea?
I think if we could bust even a fraction of these people it would be a good thing

[GiR]

I'd be far more interested in trying to discover, why is there a need for this crap in the first place? Can't these people just fuck regular people their own age? Is it better that they relieve their 'frustrations' on the computer as opposed to in real life?

Theres lots of tough questions regaurding this issue. But one things for sure. Ignoring it, doesn't make it go away.

Some more tough questions, is it even possible to kill off a certain community, when they are motivated by a favorite topic? If is IS possible, how is it possible, and could it pose a threat to other un-related communities?

[moneoa]

you are a sick fukk for wanting to look at child porn, monea!
Even if your joking I find that statement offensive, dont be ignorant and stick to the question.

Would a community effort to track and turn in some of these people be effective or welcome?

Jorge was fully behind the wall of shame when it was here

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-520437.html?legacy=zdnn

[ferrarimodena360]

lol
chill man

u see child porn
he sees child porn
i dunno why there is so much shitting around, the guy who sees got busted

whatever, i am outa here

[moneoa]

lol
chill man

u see child porn
he sees child porn
i dunno why there is so much shitting around, the guy who sees got busted

whatever, i am outa here
I am in Zen man

cool as a cucumber

[Dark Messenger]

Why? Its file sharing related and the wall is something ZP did before.

So answer the question, do you think something like the wall is a good idea?
I think if we could bust even a fraction of these people it would be a good thing

No because what you are suggesting is for people to search for and download childporn..and that is just sick.

[Krell]

This is almost as sick as that beastiality thread that was allowed to be posted here recently. I do not think these things are appropriate or acceptable content for zeropaid.

I'm glad you said that.

Now, for one, a "Wall of Shame" does nothing. It is neither punitive, nor prohibitive

Secondly, a few years back, there was a rat, that tricked people in to downloading kiddy porn, but he was a FBI informant setting up people. Also, there are a lot of files with generic names like "young love" that would have no indication it is "kiddy porn" yet it is obviously sick exploitation.

The distribution of child porn should be punished, but few will pursue it with vigor. What do you tell the FBI if you discover this? "Hello, I am a P2P user, and while downloading movies and software, I saw this guy that has kiddy porn in his share. I don't know where he is, but his name was 2leet4U2touchou812. NOW . . who do you think the FBI is going to grill over, you, or that name that no longer exists?

Once, a man killed his family, then himself, when the local police found that he had kiddy porn on his PC they raided the ISP like an episode of Hawaii 5-O with the "step away from the computers at once!" They seized the logs and all account info from this guy in an attempt to both prove his guilt, and to ascertain where he got the materials from.

I say this, because if you were FALSELY accused, it could ruin your life, you might never dig out from the stigma of it, no matter what kind of stand up citizen you really are. So, prosecute but proceed with caution.



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[Dark Messenger]

Even if your joking I find that statement offensive, dont be ignorant and stick to the question.

Would a community effort to track and turn in some of these people be effective or welcome?

Jorge was fully behind the wall of shame when it was here

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-520437.html?legacy=zdnn

and as notbob has stated earlier in another thread someplace it was discontinued for a reason.

[Dark Messenger]

I'm glad you said that.

Now, for one, a "Wall of Shame" does nothing. It is neither punitive, nor prohibitive

Secondly, a few years back, there was a rat, that tricked people in to downloading kiddy porn, but he was a FBI informant setting up people. Also, there are a lot of files with generic names like "young love" that would have no indication it is "kiddy porn" yet it is obviously sick exploitation.

The distribution of child porn should be punished, but few will pursue it with vigor. What do you tell the FBI if you discover this? "Hello, I am a P2P user, and while downloading movies and software, I saw this guy that has kiddy porn in his share. I don't know where he is, but his name was 2leet4U2touchou812. NOW . . who do you think the FBI is going to grill over, you, or that name that no longer exists?

Once, a man killed his family, then himself, when the local police found that he had kiddy porn on his PC they raided the ISP like an episode of Hawaii 5-O with the "step away from the computers at once!" They seized the logs and all account info from this guy in an attempt to both prove his guilt, and to ascertain where he got the materials from.

I say this, because if you were FALSELY accused, it could ruin your life, you might never dig out from the stigma of it, no matter what kind of stand up citizen you really are. So, prosecute but proceed with caution.



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exactly.
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[moneoa]

No because what you are suggesting is for people to search for and download childporn..and that is just sick.
No, the wall of shame was not about that. It was a honeypot Gnutella server with dummy files that logged Ips and put them on the wall of shame.

Nobody had to activly look at porn.

Why the hell would I suggest doing something I have already repeatedly said is sick

[moneoa]

But in the context of Krells post and the way the FBI guy worked I could see why some type of Shame system could be seriousy flawed.

I also dont claim to think a few of us could stop such a huge problem, I am just frustrated with these damn news stories about this crap.

It seems to plauge the news.....

Law enforcement seems almost powerless to stop it and I had the novel thought community activisim could accomplish some things.

[Dark Messenger]

But in the context of Krells post and the way the FBI guy worked I could see why some type of Shame system could be seriousy flawed.

I also dont claim to think a few of us could stop such a huge problem, I am just frustrated with these damn news stories about this crap.

It seems to plauge the news.....

Law enforcement seems almost powerless to stop it and I had the novel t community activisim could accomplish some things.

Monea, you cannot fix all of the world's ills...it is beyond any of us to be able to right every wrong we see. Believe me I've tried on a much smaller scale locally and as a social worker I see this type of thing being done all the time or rather the aftermath of it after its reported to me by a neighbor or a friend of the victim or the police.

There are many people who have no business being near kids...let alone have any themselves. If you try and correct everything that is wrong in life it will eventually make you despondent.

[muffenme]

Monea, you cannot fix all of the world's ills...it is beyond any of us to be able to right every wrong we see. Believe me I've tried on a much smaller scale locally and as a social worker I see this type of thing being done all the time or rather the aftermath of it after its reported to me by a neighbor or a friend of the victim or the police.

There are many people who have no business being near kids...let alone have any themselves. If you try and correct everything that is wrong in life it will eventually make you despondent.

:fire

Your right about that, some people shouldn't have or work with kid.
All of us need to get involve or there no soution to this.
The only problem is how to treat these people who likes to look at kids in the wrong way, kill, rapes,, etc. Until our world grows up we still going to have sick people who looks at kids, rapes people, kill, steal, etc. The best we can do is to pevent it from happen and try to convect who does anything against the law.

Unreallated ideal, I hate how our news program make something small into something bigger then it really is just so they can make money. They take something bad and make it the wrose thing ever when it happen more offen or less offen then they make out to be.

:hole

[tackdaddy]

i hate that child porn is such a problem today but putting up a wall of shame would be wrong. who would verify that a reported ip actually downloaded kiddie porn? whoever would run a wall of shame thing would never be able to afford the legal bills and proving it it court would be almost impossible. what about static ip's?(i think that is what you call it when someone's ip always changes). having a wall of shame would do more harm than good and if you posted a ip of someone who never downloaded kiddie porn would land you in alot of trouble,

[Mels_Smileys45]

yeah its good how they put so much money and effort into busting little kids for downloading a few pop songs but they dont in trying to bust peados.

Actually the government does bust some people who traffic this type of rubbish. I see storys about it all the time. Wasn't there a Boy Scout guy busted last week or something? I also saw an A&E special on the bust of newsgroups that started sometime in the late 90's. They tracked down a lot of people, but its an ongoing battle that has no easy solutions. We can't expect the RIAA/MPAA ("they"?) to do anything about child porn, they'll only use it as a case against shutting down 'evil' P2P. A wall of shame is a bad idea as stated in prior posts for obvious reasons. Its best to just let the FBI do their thing.

[Dark Messenger]

i hate that child porn is such a problem today but putting up a wall of shame would be wrong. who would verify that a reported ip actually downloaded kiddie porn? whoever would run a wall of shame thing would never be able to afford the legal bills and proving it it court would be almost impossible. what about static ip's?(i think that is what you call it when someone's ip always changes). having a wall of shame would do more harm than good and if you posted a ip of someone who never downloaded kiddie porn would land you in alot of trouble,

or worse yet...what if you were an FBI agent hunting down users who were sharing child porn and just happened to run across someone who happened to be sharing mislabelled files as part of this 'wall of shame' thing....how would you like explaining to a legal authority that those files you were supposedly sharing weren't the genuine thing?

It only creates more problems by obstructing the work of real authorities in catching the real sicko's so its not a good idea imo because in a way it could obstruct justice,,,get your ass in real trouble by being falsely accused and having to explain your actions and the possibility of falsely accusing others of the same thing.

Can anyone else add to this anything positive or negative? Because from where I'm standing this isn't good for the reasons mention. I feel this thread should be closed before this degrades into people actually defending pedophilia ala the beastiality thread.

Contrary to accepted belief this isn't a new idea and has been discussed many times before on the site and can be found by doing an advanced keyword search for threads containing the key words: wall and shame.

Edit: Monea, don't worry there are a lot of different agencies involved in tracking these users down and the methods they use often rescue the victims of these crime by catching the ones actually responsible for creating this garbage to begin with.

So please don't feel as though 'nothing' is being done. :gj:

[mcovey]

i dont feel like reading 3 pages but im fine with music and non-porno music thanks anyway guys.

if I want porn I'll get a password to a known site and d/l vids over HTTP or something but I dont look at too much. Just use my imagination.

[Mels_Smileys45]

i dont feel like reading 3 pages but im fine with music and non-porno music thanks anyway guys.

if I want porn I'll get a password to a known site and d/l vids over HTTP or something but I dont look at too much. Just use my imagination.

You REALLY should read a thread before posting in it. It can make you look a little foolish

[the great one]

we all have our dark sides, those who get caught are guilty, those who are not are critical
i dont support child abuse, or incest or whatever
but we all have our dark sides

I hope you don't have kids!

[Digital Bliss]

I never said it was right but as humans when it comes down to it we are sick fucks may it be child porn genocide rape the list goes on what i was trying to get at was the fact that yes it is wrong and these people should be locked up but the fact of the matter is acting and watching these things happen are two different things to an extent look at reality tv and shit even though this may be abscure and off topic people get off on wating to see someone get hurt on those shows they dont care. btw that statement was just said to piss people off sorry if i affended anyone but human nature in its primal essence is sick

[Digital Bliss]

dark has a point as well on p2p porn is often misslabeled and what not this honestly has happened to me in the past the names go like britny spears hot lesiban sex anal donky and so on people only read the first word and disregaurd everything else

[Mels_Smileys45]

but the fact of the matter is acting and watching these things happen are two different things

That may be true but, when it comes to sexual fantasy's it gets complicated. When people watch or see pics of things that turn them on, they usually seek release. Sometimes that might mean a hand release or going out and finding someone to satisfy their needs. Sexual urges can be very strong. A person is only going to jerk off to a fantasy so long before they want the real thing.

[ferrarimodena360]

I hope you don't have kids!

i can always play with yours :santa

[SamJam]

i can always play with yours :santa

you sick fuck..


anyways... I know there are files that have britneyspearsanalsexfuckyadayadayada... that is why it is your responsibility to be careful of what you download and look past the first few words.

[mountain_rage]

Im all for trying to stop the problem and such but you guys do realise that even if you get rid of all the people that rape kids and such you will still have the 12-17 year olds hosting this stuff on there own. What im saying you will still have a slutty girl or guy wanting to be all cool and take a picture of themselves and put it on the internet. Also even if the fbi did stop everyone in the united states that still leaves it open for everyone from other countries to put it up. I think p2p programmers should try and comme up with a solution to this problem to censor it out and maybe even include there own faking software built in that you cannot control. Like the fakaroo program but manditory.

[ferrarimodena360]

this is prolly the most stupid thread in ages
as long as here is p2p, such things will remain, when u talk about free trading between computers, then this will be part of it

evy time there is child porn mentioned, suddenly everyone is so morally enlightened that if any1 is joking about it, he is look at as a pedo, but i joke as it is ironical

I like p2p, and all i can do is not download and share such files, and for ppl who do share and download filth they anyways go scott free

I cant believe the motherfucking riaa has sued prolly 10000users, but the US govt have been able to find only 1 guy in ages whos sharing preteen not thats IRONY

and why blame p2p, where is the police when these videos are made, are they incest, or kids kidnapped or what the fuck happens,

what can i do other than joke about it?
coz i cant stop people form trading such files
if coming here in a blog and saying "oh this is just sick" helps, then i would have done that, it dosent help, i hate such threads, and all folks who say "oh this is just sick" and sleep over it

[Mels_Smileys45]

I cant believe the motherfucking riaa has sued prolly 10000users, but the US govt have been able to find only 1 guy in ages whos sharing preteen not thats IRONY

They do find people all the time, your just not paying attention. Here are just a few storys from the last week. http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_politics_100023_09/04/2005_55011

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20050408/CHILDPORN08/TPNational/Canada

http://xtramsn.co.nz/news/0,,11964-4273630,00.html

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Man-jailed-for-having-child-porn/2005/04/08/1112815728838.html?oneclick=true

http://www.wfmynews2.com/news/local_state/local_article.aspx?storyid=38925

They are doing what they can!

Of course they can not stop everyone but they do what they can. Like I said before, the RIAA is not the police, they can't do anything about child porn. No ones blaiming P2P, only the people using it for this purpose. The police can't control every aspect of everones life, nor can they see what goes on behind closed doors. Why the hell are you blaming the police now! You are a very confused person! Those jokes (sick) are not funny. And its not the threads thats dumb, its you. The purpose of this thread was to ask about the 'wall of shame' and why it was no longer used. Not to blame P2P for the crimes. If you can't add anything helpfull stay out of the threads you can't stand! Problem solved

[ferrarimodena360]

how will the wall of shame hlp, so that users fear featuring on zp 1337 wall of shame, they will stop downloading child porn
get a life

[Mels_Smileys45]

It won't help.That was answerd a few pages ago. GODDAMN

[Krell]

It won't help.That was answerd a few pages ago. GODDAMN

LOL


They do tend to wear things out






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[koalabear4]

FIRST of all I agree with cracker, he will get what's coming to him when he goes to prison.If not by his cellmates then by the guards.Because I have been to a place or two and let me tell you ,any crime against a child is nooooo good.prisoners have children just like anyone else. SECOND of all I also agree this is sickening to talk about because I have two young girls and if any one ever hurt them I would catch a case just to end their life myself! But I think it is something that does need to be dealt with.I believe we p2p file sharing people should be concerned about it.Once I cleared my search ,all I saw was a list files of what I can only imagine was filth.I think if we are allowed to report a bad post.We should be allowed to report a sick fuckers file of some child being hurt.cause I would! AND THIRD OF ALL any one out there that has a dark side .You know who i'm talking about.I would love to meet you in MY WORLD.you sick f-cking perve

[ferrarimodena360]

AND THIRD OF ALL any one out there that has a dark side .You know who i'm talking about.I would love to meet you in MY WORLD.you sick f-cking perve

lol
for the 9th time, i dont like child porn jeeeeeeeeez

yo gurls are safe but ...umm....lol
if anything i like older women (milf fan)

[Krell]

False accusations

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,12817776%255E1702,00.html

[AlexanderHanff]

I used to work in this field and spent many years tracking down paedophile rings and child pornography trackers ( http://p2pnet.net/story/4528 - for a few more details ). It is very hard work and you can't do it long term.

Alexander Hanff

[crackerjacker]

http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/image.php?u=165033&dateline=1116795385
hmm
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[MrGonzo]

This is a quote I heard:

"Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone"

[Siskabush]

I just wish, as well as catching the end users of this sick and twisted crap, they could easily track the sick minded people who MAKE these videos.

[Krell]

This is a quote I heard:

"Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone"


Jesus did not "endorse" prostitution, or even come close to argueing against civil law. He certainly would not have lobbied for child pornogrophers and those that molest children.

The accusation of and punishment of those that break our civil and moral laws is wholly justified, more to the point, required.

With law comes due process, so that we dont have religious vigilantes carrying out their own brand of justice. In the case of the prostitute in the story you mention, she was already a victim, and being stoned by the same people who secretly victimize her, would not be just. The men dropped their stones and abandoned their pursuit, because it was understood, and overstated, that they had all "had her", and were hipocrits.

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[shawners]

Wall of shame is useless.. I mean, posting an IP address isnt giving his identity up, and he/she walking in the streets among us. Its like posting license plate numbers up for what we should watch out for, they be out of state and all over the place and can never be memorised.

[MrGonzo]

Jesus did not "endorse" prostitution, or even come close to argueing against civil law. He certainly would not have lobbied for child pornogrophers and those that molest children.

The accusation of and punishment of those that break our civil and moral laws is wholly justified, more to the point, required.

With law comes due process, so that we dont have religious vigilantes carrying out their own brand of justice. In the case of the prostitute in the story you mention, she was already a victim, and being stoned by the same people who secretly victimize her, would not be just. The men dropped their stones and abandoned their pursuit, because it was understood, and overstated, that they had all "had her", and were hipocrits.

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Dont get me wrong child porn and molestation are dead wrong, I just sometimes think people are decived when they think they are better then those people. Because again Jesus said "For ALL have sinned" not just the child porn lovers, ALL of us. That is why I mentioned the quote.

That is all I will say on the matter.

[VAMPYRE BLADE]

So Many Stupid People, So Few Bullets And He Is A Stupid Person, As Is Anyone Into Child Porn.

[Rick James]

What a sick fuk, i hope he gets raped or castrated while hes in prison, but they will prob let him out in two years for good behavior and then he'll go kidnap some kid rape, then kill them. The United States has one fucked up justice system.

[.:sp00ky:.]

"So Many Stupid People"

Yeah like people who write like fucking morons.