U.S. Army Robots Can Find, Kill Enemy Troops

[Krell]

Robots Created To Save Lives On Battlefield

Battlefield Robots Equipped With Night Vision, Thermal Imaging


New robots armed and equipped with night vision and thermal imaging to find snipers and enemy troops could be used in Iraq and other locations as early as this summer, according to a Local 6 News report.


U.S. Army soldiers can load the new robot with rounds of ammunition and send it off as a scout.

U.S. soldiers searching caves in Afghanistan came up with an idea to take robots already used for bombs and beef them up by adding a rocket launcher and other weapons.

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U.S. Army Robots Can Find, Kill Enemy Troops

Soldiers can load the new robot with rounds of ammunition and send it off as a scout.

"This is probably the first logical step to introducing armed robotics onto the battlefield," U.S. Army spokesman Anthony Sevasto said.

Officials said the $200,000 solider robot never gets tired, won't run the risk of dying and is more capable of killing, according to the report. It could also save thousands of lives, Local 6 News reported.

Military officials say insurgents in Iraq could find one of these robots rolling up on them as early as this summer.


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[Krell]

What surprises me, and disappoints me, is that this is such crude shit!

I worked on better systems than this back in the late 80's - 1990. What we really need, is that bad asses little robot from the movie Red Planet, AMEE - Autonomous Mapping Evaluation and Evasion.

Equip a robotic device with advanced detection and defense weaponry, replace the current DARPA Tactical Robots and tie in to the defense system unified by the Comanche helicopters and satellite communications, Enhanced Position Locating Reporting System (EPLRS)

Now THAT'S a scout, take 'em out






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[the great one]

Or they could be men and actually attack the enemy themselves."Home of the brave"pulease!!

[Christoph]

cool!Terminator is becoming reality...viva la U.S Army

[Mels_Smileys45]

Or they could be men and actually attack the enemy themselves."Home of the brave"pulease!!


Thats not being brave, thats being stupid! If a machine can do the job let it. I mean come on now, really

[the great one]

I don't personally believe in war,but if you're going to fight at least do it with honor and courage,don't act like cowards and hide behind a machine.

This is nothing new however,it's not much different then dropping bombs from an airplane.

[Undercurrent]

I don't personally believe in war,but if you're going to fight at least do it with honor and courage,don't act like cowards and hide behind a machine.

This is nothing new however,it's not much different then dropping bombs from an airplane.

Yeh, and while we are at it, why not just line the two opposing armies up in an open field, have everyone wear bright orange clothes so that no one can hide, and fight it out like real men!!! No weapons, one huge fist fight!!! Do you think that would be more honorable & couragous? It would be absolute hell!!! I dont beleive in War either, but not using all of the resources you have within reason would be plain stupid. I mean what if I said, "well i think it would be more courages to fight without this bazooka" Do you really think the enemy is going to put theirs down as well?

[Krell]

I don't personally believe in war,but if you're going to fight at least do it with honor and courage,don't act like cowards and hide behind a machine.

This is nothing new however,it's not much different then dropping bombs from an airplane.

So historically speaking, the use of catapults was cowardly?

So all the nations soldiers that drove tanks, or subs, battleships, were pussies? Bombers and Stealth fighter pilots are cowards?


you need to go get that Braveheart tape youve been watching and give it back to your boyfriend


I say, build a better mousetrap! A TERMINATOR one



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[Mels_Smileys45]

I don't personally believe in war,but if you're going to fight at least do it with honor and courage,don't act like cowards and hide behind a machine.

This is nothing new however,it's not much different then dropping bombs from an airplane.


Don't be a pussy and download that next CD, go snatch it out of the artists hands! lol



Just fucking with ya dood. I just don't agree with you here.

[Krell]

Ya me too

I dont like war, but ive seen enough rubble and bodies to believe in it. It isnt pretty, but id rather say "my machine kicked your machines ass" or at least whomever we are fighting, than see nothing but fields of body parts.


While you were growing up playing cowboys and indians, and hide and seek, I was designing bombs that can not be disabled, at all.

This also led me to theorize how machines might be able to contradict a fail safe structure.

I love technology, and within some certain moral and philisophical reasons, I think it should work for us.





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[the great one]

Yeh, and while we are at it, why not just line the two opposing armies up in an open field, have everyone wear bright orange clothes so that no one can hide, and fight it out like real men!!! No weapons, one huge fist fight!!! Do you think that would be more honorable & couragous? It would be absolute hell!!! I dont beleive in War either, but not using all of the resources you have within reason would be plain stupid. I mean what if I said, "well i think it would be more courages to fight without this bazooka" Do you really think the enemy is going to put theirs down as well?

If both sides have bazookas,at least that would be fair,but we're talking about going against an impoverished country with a weapon that can kill the "enemy",but the enemy has no chance in fighting back.Now is that within reason?I don't think so.

[the great one]

Don't be a pussy and download that next CD, go snatch it out of the artists hands! lol



Just fucking with ya dood. I just don't agree with you here.

Everybody has their own opinion,I have no problem with that.

[Krell]

Hey don't turn my TERMINATOR robot thread in to another pussified bleedheart "poor innocent Iraqi victems" thread!

Here, have some Kool-Aid and get ahold of your senses



and stop muckin up a fine combat thread




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[the great one]

So historically speaking, the use of catapults was cowardly?

So all the nations soldiers that drove tanks, or subs, battleships, were pussies? Bombers and Stealth fighter pilots are cowards?


you need to go get that Braveheart tape youve been watching and give it back to your boyfriend


I say, build a better mousetrap! A TERMINATOR one



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If both sides have relatively the same capabilities,then no,as long as both sides can defend themselves.Although dropping a bomb that kills thousands of people from thousands of miles up in the air isn't the bravest thing in the world.

Now I don't see us going back to the days of swords and shields,but they at least knew what it was like to risk thier lives for a cause.Also there wasn't this huge problem of innocent people getting killed by "friendly fire".

I understand that people have this urge to go to war,but at least do it in a way that is respectable.Guns are fine because both parties can defend themselves.

All I can see this doing in the future is causing more war,if there is no risk to the soldiers then people won't question the motivation for war as much.The whole reason people get in an uproar is because they're worried about losing family members.

[method]

I like krell's idea of machine vs. machine... but really... won't this technology just be used against countries that don't even know how to make robots of their own??

I wonder if they work well against unarmed civilians as well?

[Krell]

What do you propose we do? How about we use the combined resources of FTD and proflowers.com and send candy grams.

I hate to burst your bubble time after time, but there has ALWAYS been friendly fire, ALWAYS! It doesn't matter of you were beating each other with sticks, bows and arrows, swords, every war and every engagement, every single invasion, has had non combatant casualties. And that's still not to say they were innocents.

Do you remember the movie ALIENS (the second one) Do you recall the line where Private W. Hudson played by Bill Paxton states "Yeah right, man, Bishop should go. Good idea!"

I think if it was YOUR ass on the line, and there was a machine that could suppress hostile fire, and even singularly eliminate a threat, you'd say the same thing that Private Hudson did.

If one robot can enter a area, that would be considered a suicide job by any human, and neutralize the danger, then I am all for it.


*victory chant*

GO robot
GO robot
GO robot

:shoot



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[Krell]

I like krell's idea of machine vs. machine... but really... won't this technology just be used against countries that don't even know how to make robots of their own??

I wonder if they work well against unarmed civilians as well?

What rat fuck country doesnt have machine guns! Afganastan shot us with the fucking Stinger Missiles we GAVE THEM !

Send the machines in to the hills to chase the enemies, who said war was fair?

*al qaeda*

"Well that's great, that's just fuckin' great man. Now what the fuck are we supposed to do? We're in some real pretty shit now man... That's it man, game over man, game over! What the fuck are we gonna do now? What are we gonna do?"

"*Seventeen days?* Hey man, I don't wanna rain on your parade, but we're not gonna last seventeen hours! Those things are gonna come in here just like they did before. And they're gonna come in here......and they're gonna come in here AND THEY'RE GONNA KILL US! "


Send a group of robots that can walk for a week nonstop, that is better equipped, OR . . send a group of 20 yolds fresh out of boot camp? Gee, let me think.

Anyone remember PREDATOR?


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[the great one]

Krell you've been watching too many movies!But at least they were good ones.

[Auggie2k]

What surprises me, and disappoints me, is that this is such crude shit!

I worked on better systems than this back in the late 80's - 1990. What we really need, is that bad asses little robot from the movie Red Planet, AMEE - Autonomous Mapping Evaluation and Evasion.

Equip a robotic device with advanced detection and defense weaponry, replace the current DARPA Tactical Robots and tie in to the defense system unified by the Comanche helicopters and satellite communications, Enhanced Position Locating Reporting System (EPLRS)

Now THAT'S a scout, take 'em out

Nah dude, we need johnny 5 from short circuits! now he would kick ass! remember when he got pissed off....? Turned into a serious bad ass!

[Krell]

Hahahaahah I was truly wondering if anyone was going to mention him! Congrats!



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[Undercurrent]

If both sides have bazookas,at least that would be fair,but we're talking about going against an impoverished country with a weapon that can kill the "enemy",but the enemy has no chance in fighting back.Now is that within reason?I don't think so.

Look, im not going to debate whether or not War is Right or Wrong. I personally am christian and believe in non intervention, thats why im not a soldier, and i havent volunteered myself to fight. War is not a sport, its not about playing nice to insure no ones feelings are hurt. Its about life and death and winning, period. A General will do what it takes to win the battle. And if he can save lives by sending machines to do the job, thats most likely what he will do. It just makes sense. And the soldiers themselves have no control over what they are ordered to do. So, my point is this, war is dirty. Thats the way it is, but our soldiers would not be cowards if the people above them sent machines in their place.

[syntax]

I don't personally believe in war,but if you're going to fight at least do it with honor and courage,don't act like cowards and hide behind a machine.

This is nothing new however,it's not much different then dropping bombs from an airplane.


The US military could adopt the tactics of their enemy and hide in Mosques, or wear masks and kidnap civilians and saw off their heads on video to make a point. They could also hijack their commuter planes full of innocents and crash them into other innocents. Maybe they should use the time tested and honored car bomb in a crowd technique.
Yes, the US military could learn a lot from the honorable, and courageous actions of their enemies. :ass

[Siskabush]

Or they could be men and actually attack the enemy themselves."Home of the brave"pulease!!

Just another part of the US's plan to cut costs, and outsouce jobs.

I wont be suprised to see a "Made In China" sticker on these robots.

[ataxy]

oh wow what a grandiose realisation now that takes care of the job no more traumatised soldier soon all they will have to do is set up a perimiter send the bot in kill the hell out of the population bring the bot back home welcome them as hero charge there fuel cell grease them up make public announcement saying it was a clean war and that all they have to do is mourn the lost of 4 fellow robot who fought couragesly until there last drop of oil but still back home people will chant there appreciation to there president cuz none of there home boy will be dead in battle so public support for the next election will be up cuz none of there little home boy will have died in this clean war ...why cuz it will be fought by mr. robot
http://images.google.ca/images?q=tbn:AKdZb01GFM8J:kellynewcomer.com/images/ceramic/friendlyrobotbig.jpg

[syntax]

oh wow what a grandiose realisation now that takes care of the job no more traumatised soldier soon all they will have to do is set up a perimiter send the bot in kill the hell out of the population bring the bot back home welcome them as hero charge there fuel cell grease them up make public announcement saying it was a clean war and that all they have to do is mourn the lost of 4 fellow robot who fought couragesly until there last drop of oil but still back home people will chant there appreciation to there president cuz none of there home boy will be dead in battle so public support for the next election will be up cuz none of there little home boy will have died in this clean war ...why cuz it will be fought by mr. robot
http://images.google.ca/images?q=tbn:AKdZb01GFM8J:kellynewcomer.com/images/ceramic/friendlyrobotbig.jpg

Man, that robot is badass......

[Krell]

Man, that robot is badass......

I soiled my armor I was so scared!



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[black_magiic]

Robots would VERY cool. What about upright walking ninja robots. With swords of fury, they would have the "awe" effect rendering any enemy into a state of awe, awe at its amazing ninja fury sword skills. That would be cool, I would pay money to see that.

[ataxy]

Man, that robot is badass......
yeah i know i myself was really scared when i saw it ,i mean thi is a real TERMINATING MACHINE if they put that out whe are all dead

[syntax]

Sort of on topic, check this robot out..

http://www.slyck.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10415

[black_magiic]

haha I would love to ride to school in that and fire little foam soccer balls at stupid kids.

[Ne007]

If both sides have bazookas,at least that would be fair,but we're talking about going against an impoverished country with a weapon that can kill the "enemy",but the enemy has no chance in fighting back.Now is that within reason?I don't think so.

No chance of fighting back? LOL.....I hightly doubt these fuckers will come out and fight us. THEY are the ones hiding and taking pot shots. They are the ones laying mines! Don't be a dumbass....if you want to go scout around instead of sending a machine to do it, then strap on your helmet and get out there to get your ass blown up by a mine.....

ALL IS FAIR IN WAR!
:goodjob

[Miniver]

This is entirely laughable. This is some pretty cutting edge 80's darpa stuff. I would be entirely saddened at the state of US research if this is all that they can come up with. I mean seriously, with all of the advances in computing, hydraulics, alloys, and manufacturing this is it? Give me a research team from MIT, 100 Mil, 1 year and free access to all patents, and I'll give you 12 foot tall power suits with reactive armor, gauss rifles, fratricide missle defense, and the ability to mow down or literally rip apart a conventional army.

[SanDiegoKid]

Or they could be men and actually attack the enemy themselves."Home of the brave"pulease!!

I don't personally believe in war,but if you're going to fight at least do it with honor and courage,don't act like cowards and hide behind a machine.

This is nothing new however,it's not much different then dropping bombs from an airplane.

"War isn't about dying for you country. It's about making the other son-of-a-bitch die for his" - General George Patton


Johnny five with Comanche tech? Naw. Send in some ED-209s. Just hope there aren't any stairs in the battlezone.

[method]

Well... it's either this or the draft I guess!!!!?!?!

[method]

This is entirely laughable. This is some pretty cutting edge 80's darpa stuff. I would be entirely saddened at the state of US research if this is all that they can come up with. I mean seriously, with all of the advances in computing, hydraulics, alloys, and manufacturing this is it? Give me a research team from MIT, 100 Mil, 1 year and free access to all patents, and I'll give you 12 foot tall power suits with reactive armor, gauss rifles, fratricide missle defense, and the ability to mow down or literally rip apart a conventional army.

Yes.. but it achieved what I think was probably it's purpose... lots of tax-dollars have now been diverted into the pockets of the war-tech 'elite' for technology that is essentially crap considering it's price!!

I might be wrong... but I can't help asking whether this is really a state-of-the-art robot... or just profiteering from bullshit technology in a bullshit war with no end in sight?? (I'm leaning toward the latter)

Defunct-missile-defence-shield anyone?

Peace!!

[.:sp00ky:.]

Man i was thinking evangelion style kick ass robots..then i saw that photo...


i much rather see a army of Gir's send lots of them out to fuck with the enemys heads.

[moneoa]

Man i was thinking evangelion style kick ass robots..then i saw that photo...


i much rather see a army of Gir's send lots of them out to fuck with the enemys heads.
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sakakibara-kikai.co.jp%2Fproducts%2Fother%2FLW.htm&lp=ja_en

soon my friend, very soon

[Ken17625]

Human decisions should never be removed from decisions of war.

The only I can accept a robot engaging an enemy is if a human being was directly responsible for that specific order.

Don't let a robot decide for itself whether it will fire weapons or not based on software or some other bullshit.

[.:sp00ky:.]

*drools*......

[Digital Bliss]

I want 50 foot mechs that shoot lazy beams and shit its fucking 2005 no flying car deathrays or any cool stuff

[DigitalJunkie]

Personally, I don't worship machines that are designed to destory or kill things, The gears for the future soldiers, can save the soldier life. But, it can also encourage political leaders to go to wars over silly ideas such as spreading their own vision of what freedom or democracy should be!

I would much rather sees creativity for machines that improves or compliant human endeavours, space explorations, better cure for environment pollutions & human diseases, that requires communications & collaboration from everyone!

[mfgbypooter]

I prefer the bravery of being out of range.

And I always thought the robots were the grunts on the ground.

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[Kevin33134]

These are the new prototypes the military is using.
http://www.infocusmag.com/03july/terminator.jpg

[Mels_Smileys45]

I saw a great special on one of the learning channels about a years ago dealing with trying to forecast how robotics will be integrated into everyday life. Some parts were kinda scary. They talked a bit about the AIBO dogs and how they will evolve. They showed some animations of how users would start changing these dogs into killing guard dog machines. It was awesome though. They showed a much larger, mean looking version with razor like teeth. Bad ass! I wish I could find the TV show for download, it was kick ass. One day everyone will have their own robot to kick peoples ass with!

[Lord_of_the_Dense]

/me likes combat threads. :)

[Krell]

I saw a great special on one of the learning channels about a years ago dealing with trying to forecast how robotics will be integrated into everyday life. Some parts were kinda scary. They talked a bit about the AIBO dogs and how they will evolve. They showed some animations of how users would start changing these dogs into killing guard dog machines. It was awesome though. They showed a much larger, mean looking version with razor like teeth. Bad ass! I wish I could find the TV show for download, it was kick ass. One day everyone will have their own robot to kick peoples ass with!

This is what I was precluding to at the beginning of the thread. A unit would need a high degree of dexterity, quick responses, predictive intelligence, degrees of self defense, and the ability to be custom fitted for any number of special purposes.

A tank\tread unit would not suffice and any bipedal unit would just get knocked over. This demands a great power to weight ratio, strength and flexibility (titanium alloy), ability to resist, avoid, deflect or withstand traditional munitions as well as impervious to EMF, extreme temperatures, and high voltages, water.

The frame has to carry a payload sufficient to stow onboard ammunition, the psu, cpu, and additional navigational and communications packs. The unit would operate in a relative stealth mode, and be able to use the resources at its disposal for offensive and defensive weapons. Also the ability to self recharge by utilizing any number of conventional resources.

A pack of these can work in unison to provide a complete surveillance, communications, combat unit. Also the ability and flexibility to work as a solo unit, as a pack, or in conjunction with remote access controls such as humans in video game styled control pods.

The ultimate killing machine, always been my dream.



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[Mels_Smileys45]

What we really need, is that bad asses little robot from the movie Red Planet, AMEE - Autonomous Mapping Evaluation and Evasion.


Ahhh, I forgot about that thing. We don't need one of those! lol

AMEE kicked their bootays good before she got zapped.

[the great one]

No chance of fighting back? LOL.....I hightly doubt these fuckers will come out and fight us. THEY are the ones hiding and taking pot shots. They are the ones laying mines! Don't be a dumbass....if you want to go scout around instead of sending a machine to do it, then strap on your helmet and get out there to get your ass blown up by a mine.....

ALL IS FAIR IN WAR!
:goodjob

Not according to the UN,there are rules to war,even down to how you treat the captured enemy soldiers.If all is fair,then torturing and killing captured soldiers would be fair game.Oh no, let's not let morals get in the way here,get real!

[The Hunter]

Unfortunately it doesnt work that way. Not everything can or does work by the rules. This was learned in Nam. You cant bomb an area until you get approval from a local representitive, but you go to a movie and you get a hypo in the back. You cant say hell that wasnt in the rules, cause by then its too late. Im not saying being there was right, far from it, im just using it as an example.

[Lord_of_the_Dense]

Looks like we got competition...

Qatar to Use Robots As Camel Riders

DOHA, Qatar - With the reins in one hand and a whip in the other, the purple-jerseyed rider prodded a camel around the track. But this jockey wasn't the usual underfed boy. The jockey was a robot.

Under the watchful eyes of his Swiss developer and Qatari owners, the robot — dubbed Kamel — rode a racing camel for 1.5 miles, reaching speeds of 25 miles per hour in a non-competitive trial run.

By 2007, rulers of this energy-rich emirate say all camel racers will be mechanical.

Read entire story here (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=528&e=2&u=/ap/20050420/ap_on_hi_te/qatar_robot_jockeys).

Yeah right..."camel" riders...

[chipperrox]

I don't personally believe in war,but if you're going to fight at least do it with honor and courage,don't act like cowards and hide behind a machine.

This is nothing new however,it's not much different then dropping bombs from an airplane.

thats like saying, i believe in hard work- why have calculators or computers do calculations for us when we should slave for years to do the same thing?

[legendsofaranna]

They can use electromagnetic bomb to disable the robots. In case you need more info,

http://science.howstuffworks.com/e-bomb.htm

[transduction]

I don't believe in war, and I hate to see innocent people get killed. But since we have to fight, any machine that can save lives is a good thing. Of course, investing money to bring about world peace and stability would be more logical, but humans are logical in a limited sense. I guess it is better to have the technology before the enemy does. But who exactly is the enemy? If you look at it from a yin/yang perspective, there can never be world peace, so these robots are pretty impressive from that point of view.

[Ezza6745]

Equip a robotic device with advanced detection and defense weaponry, replace the current DARPA Tactical Robots and tie in to the defense system unified by the Comanche helicopters and satellite communications, Enhanced Position Locating Reporting System (EPLRS)

Now THAT'S a scout, take 'em out






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Krell your an evil man but I like your thinking :icon_pira

[Excrement_Cranium]

I don't personally believe in war,but if you're going to fight at least do it with honor and courage,don't act like cowards and hide behind a machine.

This is nothing new however,it's not much different then dropping bombs from an airplane.


Men don't fight their own wars, they fight the wars of politicians.

[Digital Bliss]

Well i was reading some of the comments about this technology and my question is what is a gun, a knife, a bullet proof vest they are all products of machines you morons so in a sense we are just advancing into a new age and besides if this can save lives whats the big deal lets see you go into battle ...

[The birdie]

Here is what I think are the advantages and disadvantages of army robots on treads.

The strongest advantage of this particular design is the stability offered by the treads. When traveling over rocky or unstable terrain, this design is the least likely to lose traction. However, a considerable disadvantage to this design is the more complicated system of wheels and other mechanisms used to turn the treads. A more complicated system often leads to more breakdowns. The other disadvantage is in speed; robots using treads will have a much lower top speed than using the open wheel design.