Can I trade you Britney for Christina?

[Unsueable Davey Brown]

I'm curious about something.

Suppose a girl goes over to her friend's house with her CD collection for a slumber party. Her friend looks over her collection and say's "I love this old Britney Spears album. I'll trade you this Christina Aquilera for it." They make the trade.

Did they just break the law?

I guess what I'm asking is, are 1 for 1 trades of albums legal?

[CRLocky]

I wouldn't think so... they're retail albums correct? as in, stacy buys a britney cd, jenny buys a christina cd... then they swap. if so, then i don't think it is, becuase there's no copying involved, and no trail to follow as to who legally paid for which album... but they wouldn't care anyway as long as someone bought it, and that there is no copying or distributing going on. all they want is money

[infringer]

According to what I have read there is no legal repercutions as this would be protected under bartering for legal products as CRLOCKY explained...

Same thing goes for movies this is totally legal it is even legal for you to swap movies to watch providing that they are legitamate copies of the movies.

There could really never be no law prohibiting these actions because it would cause too much of a problem...

And if you really want to be technical you could defeat such a law by simply selling them to eachother for 1cent just like an ebay, pawnshop, or yardsale resale.

-infringer-

[infringer]

Interesting though I have found no solid evidence showing weather the trading of music videos is considered to be piracy or not...

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[Undying Wizard NHD]

as long as you trade a legal copy for a legal copy there is nothing illegal about that , nothing at all ...........


if you trade a burned copy for a burned copy thats illegal

as long as whats in the trade is a legal copy then its like trading sisters for sex ( as long as they are over 18 )

[Excrement_Cranium]

so... in theory... if you sent one legal copy of a file... thus it is removed from your computer in the exchange, not just copied, and exchange for another purchased good or file, which would be removed from the other person's possesion... this "file trade" in which legitimate property was truly exchanged... would be legal?

[Mels_Smileys45]

UBD, thats one of the most crazy questions Ive seen it a day or two. Once you pay for a legit CD you could just give it to a bum on the street or sell it on ebay.



Now for more cowbell!

[Undying Wizard NHD]

so... in theory... if you sent one legal copy of a file... thus it is removed from your computer in the exchange, not just copied, and exchange for another purchased good or file, which would be removed from the other person's possesion... this "file trade" in which legitimate property was truly exchanged... would be legal?


your talking files there , guess that would depend on the user agreement - since some software says non-transferable in the agreement



but where talking about a tangible piece of plastic here

[crackerjacker]

as long as you trade a legal copy for a legal copy there is nothing illegal about that , nothing at all ...........


if you trade a burned copy for a burned copy thats illegal

as long as whats in the trade is a legal copy then its like trading sisters for sex ( as long as they are over 18 )
so that means if i want 1 million videos from you u will give it to me free of charge?
;)

[nasrules]

If you give someone a CD which you obtained through legal method, or give them files which you downloaded from a service such as iTunes or Napster, it's perfectly legal. The problem occurs when the artist (or rather, mostly the record label) hasn't been paid for the works.

[.:sp00ky:.]

hehe i like your mudvayne avatar infringer....

about the question..what if you burned it onto your pc then traded away the real cd.....

[Lord_of_the_Dense]

Thanks .: (ahh forget the damn period and colon)...thanks spooky. You asked the first question that popped into my mind when I read the first post.

While it is completely legal to make a backup copy of your works, what happens to that copy should you trade/sell the original merchandise? For some reason, it would seem that the powers that be would want you to delete the file(s). In the case above, we all know that just wouldn't happen. That is, unless the owner got tired of or no longer cared about the artist. I suppose if the (legal) collection is big enough, you could just say you forgot about it should you ever get investigated/sued.

Now here's another question. Do they have to be similar in price? Can you trade the new Killswitch Engage double CD The End of Heartache for The CD Single of Metallica's "Until it Sleeps?" Is it an audio product for audio product (KsE has a DVD with it), or what? Do one or both artists get "screwed?"

Thanks for bringing this up UDB. And dump the girl, she's too young if she's listening to that music. :;)

[mfgbypooter]

I'll trade you my brother for your sister.

[ataxy]

ok so is used cd store illegal then since they make money out of used cd from wich the production company is not making money out of

[infringer]

ok so is used cd store illegal then since they make money out of used cd from wich the production company is not making money out of

The easiest way to put it.

You buy the rights for one copy of the content once you give that or trade that away you are loosing your rights to the content so any copies that you now hold without holding the original material may not be traded, sold, given away... You can not trade sell or give away more then one copy of the content if you did not buy more then one copy of the content.

In doing such a thing it is deemed an illegal activity.

BTW thanks for the kind words Spooky another fan of there music maybe? ;)

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[Potato]

I once traded a shitty Collective Soul CD and a shitty Counting Crows CD for the Smashing Pumpkins double disc set.

(no names, just in case) ;)

[Unsueable Davey Brown]

If you give someone a CD which you obtained through legal method, or give them files which you downloaded from a service such as iTunes or Napster, it's perfectly legal. The problem occurs when the artist (or rather, mostly the record label) hasn't been paid for the works.

I'm not sure about this one. Does this mean if you buy a legitimate, digital file from iTunes, it's legal to trade it, just as you would a CD? or is it different, because you retain a copy?

I don't know you know, because everytime an internet disk jockey plays a song, isn't he in effect streaming a copy.

[Excrement_Cranium]

I remember it was big news when local music stores started doing used CD's. The big companies were having seizures because they wanted more money. But, if they could get a chunk from a music store for buying and selling property which has allready been through primary purchase procedure, then theoreticly they should be getting a cut if someone sells their item at a yard sale. Didn't happen though. The music business has been throwing fits every chance it gets because they are squeezing a turnip and trying to find blood. Maybe, just maybe, they should have artists tour more, at lower ticket prices.

What? Work, like the rest of the world? Ridiculous!

[Sk8er Boi]

Can I trade you Britney for Christina?

No thank you. I prefer Britney :upside

[the great one]

It really doesn't matter,because the record companies won't know you traded albums anyway.
So trade away!

[aqlo]

Ok, so then if I leave Britney and Christina laying out in my front yard and my friends all come by and use them real quick like
http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=14453

[Unsueable Davey Brown]

I get it Aglo. I think what I'm asking might be different though.

You put it this way on the other thread:

If I make legal back-up copies of all my CDs and DVDs and stick them out in my front yard, it's not my fault if 15 million people stop by and quickly make copies of them while I'm not looking.

That requires feigning ignorance though. It requires you claiming not to know something shady is going on when anyone who's watching knows damn well you do know. It suggests an admission of some kind of guilt.

What I'm asking is, have things changed now that you can legally buy a file from a large selection of already digitized files. The way it is now you needn't prepare music files for the specific purpose of being copied online by someone else. The music files are sold to you in that format. Can you trade that exact file they sold you, for one bought by somebody else.

Can I now say "Yeah I traded a digital file. I bought it legally. I traded it for someone else's digital file he bought legally". Isn't it pretty much the same thing as the 2 girls at the slumber party, in the example I gave at the start of this thread.

True I kept a copy this time, but that's legal, isn't it?. Internet disk jockeys do it. They keep a copy. They give a thousand away. Some receivers keep the copy they've been given.

Are 2 legal practices suddenly illegal when you put them both together? That's what I'm asking.

[infringer]

Really you have no control over such a situation well maybe not in the since of your front yard but lets say some dude temporarily steals the binder out of your car with all your CD's in it and then decides hey I'm going to be the good summaritain and only make copies and give the CD's back it is not your fault everything illegal was commited by the other party without your knowladge or consent.

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