Ants Beta 0.9.7

[Abyss00]

New update out, Ants Beta 0.9.7

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/abyss00/Ants/ants09.jpg.

[Abyss00]

Ants Beta 0.9.7a available through the web-installer.

[fnordprefect]

0.9.7b now available via JWS and installer from Sourceforge..

[tsafa1]

so far so good. running smooth for 5 hours, no crashes.

[xrobot]

Is it still anonymous?

[tsafa1]

Is it still anonymous?

yeah, why wouldn't it be???

note: by anonymous we mean legal denyability in court.

[CactusChris]

No crashes - but very little download and upload compared to throughput in this latest version - not sure why - perhaps it is just my circumstances or something.

Best regards
Chris

[tsafa1]

hmmm. i did not see much own file uploading either.

[CactusChris]

But compression rates are very high - I nearly added more peers to try to solve the low d/l u/l but then realised that perhaps it was about available files rather than peers - however - if Tsafa is have a low u/l something has changed a lot.

[tsafa1]

- if Tsafa is have a low u/l something has changed a lot.

keep in mind the network right now is split. 9.6 and 9.7 are difftrent networks. They still connect to the same IRC chanel but the peers connections do not mix.

[Abyss00]

0.9.7e is out now.

[Watchmen]

so when this gets to 1.0 it will be final?

[tsafa1]

so when this gets to 1.0 it will be final?

no way!!! we would have nothing to talk about, lol.

seriously, 9.7 involves a whole new protacole that will involve a lot of testing , updating and tweeking. But Gwren says this will improve scalability for future growth.

[xrobot]

It is 0.9.7f now :sw

[tsafa1]

It is 0.9.7f now :sw

0.9.7f is ancient history. 9.7G is out :fire

[Watchmen]

0.9.7f is ancient history. 9.7G is out :fire

Development is pretty fast here...looks like you will be there sooner than you think.

[xrobot]

0.9.7f is ancient history. 9.7G is out :fireOh... actually I am "out"!(outdated) :sw

btw, is 0.9.6c network being abort now?

[Undercurrent]

hmm, havent been able to connect with 9.7g, so far, im gonna keep trying

[Undercurrent]

i take that back, took a very long time but i finally got connected now

[tsafa1]

9.7g is perferming very ell so far. uploads are moving good.

The protocole of this 0.1.1 everytime you see a protocole change, the version is not compatible with prior versions. So todate there have been at least 20 protocole changes. Old protocoles is phased out as everyone updates. For a short time untill then there are two ant networks.sharing same IRC channel and webhost cache.

[tsafa1]

9.7h is out with many bug fixes. Gwren says many more bugs need to be fixed so keep updating. On at a time he says he will fix them all.

[tsafa1]

i just got a second update to 9.7i Same version number

[tsafa1]

9.7 hhhhhhh

[Hornet]

why is the version 097 backtraced to 096 at SF.net ?

serious problems ?

097 is a different network.

which one to use now ?

I think Gwren just needs to more clearly label downloads on souceforge.

There needs to be an official stable (0.96c) and unstable (0.9.7h) networks.

This is OK with me - we are testing the network - the goal is to make ANts the best anonymous network in the world.

Hornet

[Hornet]

096c is for the trashcan, if not scaleable.
so as this was found out we need very soon the fixed version of 097.
better an stable release of 098.
dunno why this is so dramatic, gwren has done a lot of fixing in the last time and was always quick.
maybe he is tired or in ireland.
but the situationis unbearable atm, 10 users here and 10 users there.
this is really very critical. then better work 7 days without sleep and feeze the whole project for half a year, than fixing this network splitting in 3 weeks.
gwren should not start such escapades when he has not the time to fight against the ghosts he has called. Scaling was always a question, why is now such an dramatic ?
And if there is a drama, we need as well a katharsis. soon


Neccessity is the mother of invention, the trash can awaits for those who don't innovate.

Scalable means having large search horizon but 096c works with small search horizon so drama is a comedy and heroes and villians find katharsis

We all need to walk on nails and hot coals and work without sleep for 40 days and 40 nights until Easter or until ANts is the best it can be.

The coding Goliath that is Gwren has never let his fanboys down in the past so don't weep new versions labelled with letters or numbers will be here soon.

One day over the rainbow we will reach the magical beta 1.0. Until then lets be patient and share our files to the world in safety. Sleeping soundly in the knowledge that we can't be sued.

Hornet :devil :devil :devil

[xrobot]

Too many version... May be I come back a year later ok? Abort Ants in 2005, see you all in 2006.. :sw

[ABC_thellookoflove]

version 097J-020 is out
http://www.myjavaserver.com/~gwren/Ants/antsp2p.jnlp

Just wait, the 097J-020 protocol version is very very fast and has great search results.
It is just a day testing now, tomorrow we get 098 version officially

this is then the client for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So try again tormorrow evening.


SPEEDS WITH 60 KIBS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ABC_thellookoflove]

here a speed screenshot ![IMG]

80 KIB Speed !!!!!

[tsafa1]

here a speed screenshot ![IMG]

80 KIB Speed !!!!!

Yeah, i got similar results, but the speeds are not continious. Yet this is a good sign that Ants is steadily improving.

[tsafa1]

this iswhat Gwren had to say:

" 0.9.7i is up as you know! It looks great! Scaling system is still disabled but that should be not an issue, cuz it is enabled for manual search and I don't think that enabling it also for automatic searches could take problems. I've implemented a flux separator for data and queries, this way it's assured that 2/3 of your total traffic are DATA TRANFERS and not SEARCHES, searches are delayed to let data pass on one side, but on the other side searches have priority over data transfers so the flux separator grants a good balance that should give us speedy searches over (about) the whole net and also stable transfers independent from the bandwith load produced by searches."

We are up to 9.7j protocol 2.0 now

[Hornet]

version 097k-020A is out
http://www.myjavaserver.com/~gwren/Ants/antsp2p.jnlp

This has scaling switched on so lets see how well this works.

Hornet :shy :shy :shy

[tsafa1]

This is what Gwren had to say:

We have a pre-release! I fixed most of our problems... I'd say that this is actually usable.
Wait till tomorrow to do the post... I'd say that if everything is ok I'd release a 0.9.8 version within some days. It remains to state if there are leaks on the long run... so I have to wait!

1) I disabled the random walk system (this is no more needed with the new scaling system implemented in these days)
2) Changed the message processing threads priority (Very important... I saw that low speeds were due to low priority threads!!!)
3) Set up a recovery procedure for pending message on a neighbour disconnection (they are routed in some other direction)
4) Set up a system to split data traffic and queries traffic, both are proportional to the bandwith you give to ANts (now they actually work).

other fixes... no particular mention

[tsafa1]

ok, everyone get on 9.7r 2.0 g

it looks fast. Gwren likes it, needs to test it with a few other people on network. 50 people in IRC right now. thats a lot for this late hour.

I saw downloads 30 kb/s to 60 kb/s and peeking at 80 kb/s

Keep in mind that at the time of this posting there where only a few nodes up to date. As more people update we shall see how well this version works in a more populated conditions.

[Hornet]

WEBCACHE from Gwren is DOWN, So no CONNECTION for Version S
Please fix it !
We need more webcaches for Ants, tsafa, cant you set up one ?

MAYBE ANts P2P has been slash dotted by a mention on Screen Saver a TechTV programme.

Has anyone see this program?

I've found it on their site see half way down page http://www.g4tv.com/screensavers/episodes/3973/Feng_Zhu_GDC_2005_Chris_Gore.html.

Hornet

[tsafa1]

DU Meter shows, that the display of upload speed is wrong displayed, but upload is pretty good ! as well download

The external download meter includes proxy traffic. I use one too.

[infringer]

DU Meter does not produce accurate results for the actual speeds you get out of the program and leaves room for speculation as to weather something else is in fact taking up that bandwidth...

It clearly shows in your picuture that you are downloding yourself at 4.4k and uploading at .7k...

Now if you want an honest opinon. I hopped on ants last night for quite a few hours last night and found there to be little or no content and half of the content returned had 0 sources and I searched for broad catagoreys using ".avi" and ".rar" and ".zip" in using them search strings I found less content on ants then I did in the previous versions which leads me to believe that either:

-I was on the AntsP2P a little to late at nite.
-AntsP2P needs work on its search function.
-Or Ants P2P just needs a more wider user base.

The interface seems to run smooth but as far as speed and sourcing it seems to have went down hill a bit in comparison to when I tried it before, granted this could be because of one of the 3 problems I have listed above 2 of which GWREN really has no control over.

I noticed the azurra sites were both not functional and everyone seemed to be on effnet which is cool and all but I noticed on mouse over window it Boldly says something along the lines that this is a public server and your IP is not hidden and this is not the Ants channel ... Now thats kinda rough but what do yah do I guess...

Connection at startup speeds seem to be good still improved from earlier versions...

AntsP2P just needs a larger user base in my opion of people who are not logging on just to leach hell I left my computer on numerous nites and the ANTSP2P just to add to the network I have yet to have downloaded a complete file from the network...

But for the sake of the anonymous P2P sceen I hope that the TechTV or whatever they call thereselfs now will be a good plug for people to hop on AntsP2P bandwaggon...

Its a great program with lots of work put into it but untill it gets some dedicated folks willing to sit around and serve untill it gains popularity it will be a while before downloading will come with the ease of use and security I feel.

Good luck to the ANTSP2P and to the members of Zeropaid I urge you to at least give it a test from time to time and support the hard work put into this excellent freeware project that will only get better with time.

-infringer-

[tsafa1]

DU Meter does not produce accurate results for the actual speeds you get out of the program and leaves room for speculation as to weather something else is in fact taking up that bandwidth...

It clearly shows in your picuture that you are downloding yourself at 4.4k and uploading at .7k...


-infringer-

The one i posted??? The one i post showns ants file download of 70 kb/s. The External meter i am running shows downlod of 1.5 Mbits or something close. keep in mind these are diffrent units of measure. I think 1.5 mbits converts into somethings 150 kb/s but not sure. But that extetnal meter is picking up total proxied files of ants. Plus if you also notice at the bottom, i am also running mute. So that too is reflected in the external meter. Basicly i want to keep an eye how close i am getting to capacity running both programs. All these stats some time delay bulit into them. My external meter is a 5 second average. I do not know how Gwren set up his internal meters. I know there is a lag from each indivdual file speed computation vs. the number in the panel.

The meters are not pinpoint accurate, but they give an idea of what is going on.

[tsafa1]

ok this is very important. The latest versions 9.7t and after, are scaleing the way they are supose to, but the thread count for me is out of controll. This may be related to my large shares. Gwren saw something similar on a smaller scale. I saw my ants thread count go as hight as 4,500. Then it droped my shared directories out of the library and started rehashing them. Lucky i had them backed up.

We need to know if this happens to anyone else and what your thread count is. you will find the thread count for ants by going into the task manager and clicking Processes. then in the tool bar select view and then colums. Check the boxthat says thread count.

i will attach a picture so you know what to look for. The one in the picture shows 748. Currently i am running at 1,500 . We need to get an idea of what is going on your pc's also post an avg cpu usage.

other the this thread issue my transfer speeds are ok about 12 kb/s avg upload speed over 5 hours.

[Abyss00]

cpu average about 15%, 500 threads, 90 mb memory.
Sharing 3000 files totaling 19 gb.

[CactusChris]

Infringer - your comment about "AntsP2P needs work on its search function." is correct- with 40+ users on line in IRC - so probably more than 50+ in total a search for common strings is not producing anything like the results that are expected. Things like avi return sometimes ony 3 results, and even mp3 returns ony a few hundred. This is the biggest offputting facet of the program now that Gwren seems to have solved the dl speed issues.

BR
Chris

[Hornet]

Infringer - your comment about "AntsP2P needs work on its search function." is correct- with 40+ users on line in IRC - so probably more than 50+ in total a search for common strings is not producing anything like the results that are expected. Things like avi return sometimes ony 3 results, and even mp3 returns ony a few hundred. This is the biggest offputting facet of the program now that Gwren seems to have solved the dl speed issues.

BR
Chris

Chris there is a BUG in ANts P2P search.

If you search for avi you will get a few results but if you search for some thing specific like blade or predator you get many more results!

Try it.

I don't know what causes this but you also get the same with MP3.

Search for MP3 and you get 700 results if you have been connect for 30 mins. But you get differnet results when you search for some thing specific.

So avi or mp3 general search does not tell you how many mp3's or avi's avilable on ants.


Hornet

[CactusChris]

Well something is not correct - and any newbies will do a preliminary search using general terms like mp3 or avi. I know Gwren is concentrating on the routing and efficiency coding (and not the GUI) but this is important - there are lots of files and users cannot see them....

[tsafa1]

guys, give me more info on the threads. That is the first thing that needs to come under control right now. Most people do not have the cpu power and memory that i do and they will crash with high threads. Version 9.7 u is out and may have fixed this, or not, i need feedback.

[CactusChris]

Tsafa - for those of us who missed it can you be more specific:
Where do we find what you want?
How do we get the info into a reportable form
How often
etc.
Lots of help then I think.

(Hard of thinking) Chris

[Hornet]

Version U - sucks after 3 hours, only 0,7 and 0,1 uplolad and download. So a NULL DOT version. (Hashing in progress). or my ISP throttles. ???


I must have missed u - I'm on v and it is really working well :aim


Hornet :gj :gj :gj

[tsafa1]

to see threads, opne windws task manager. ctl+alt+del and got to the panel that says proceses. At the top click on view and check the box that says"thread count"

Now in your display below you will see a new colum that will say threads for every program running. Please report the ants threads

[Abyss00]

Version X is out now.

[Hornet]

Same here 3000 threads after 1.5 hours had to restart :(

Hornet

[Abyss00]

0.9.7.4 released

[Abyss00]

Make that 0.9.7.5

[ABC_thellookoflove]

0979 out, even better, release candiate !
http://www.myjavaserver.com/~gwren/Ants/antsp2p.jnlp

[Abyss00]

Version 0.9.7.9 is working better then any other version of Ants ever has for me.

Much better UL/DL speeds, connecting faster, and the thread problem is gone.

The only down side is that it is using more CPU now.

[Abyss00]

Ants 0.9.7.11 - 0.2.0n is out.