Mac Vs Pc

[dolly dagger]

Hey guys,

I am new to the forum, not very techie and I badly need advice from you experts. I currently have a very old Packard Bell, Windows 95 pc, with a CD rom that doesn't work, I think it is time to update and i don't know what to do.

I am buying an I-pod, so I thought it would be best to get a Mac Laptop (i am getting microsoft works on it too if i buy), but my pc-loving friends are strongly advising me against it.

What should i do?

I like the idea of a Mac as it has Garage Band, and a cool photo programme, basically it is more creative like me, but if a Mac isn't going to be compatible with anything i'd rather get a pc.

I am mainly going to use my future laptop for the internet, writing stories, watching DVD's, getting music, and putting on photos.

So what would be best? Any advice on the best PC or Mac laptop to get would be nice too.

Thank you

[Oryx]

well they say MAC is easier to use than windows
don't really know haven't used it ,, infact never saw one during my lifetime
if you are going to use it as a media center then yeah why not
as for p2p i thinnnk almost all programs have mac versions so no worries there

the only problem is that u might wanna use a progam later on that is built for windows and doesn't have a mac version

if u get a lappy that can work both then try mac first out if u like it then stick with it...

[Digital Bliss]

Well macs may better but i cant play hl2 on them so thus lies a delima.

[cpugeniusmv]

The reason I don't like Macs is because their hardware is expensive. The OS X operating system is a very nice one, and I'd use it if it ran on the x86 architecture.

You will find that most programs are available for windows, and most devices come with drivers for windows. But you can get by with a Mac if you're careful about what you get, making sure that what you get will work with your computer.

[jimmythekid]

I am mainly going to use my future laptop for the internet, writing stories, watching DVD's, getting music, and putting on photos.



Stick with the PC, unless your a pro at digital video imaging, photo imaging.

iPods will work with a PC just fine. They have too or they wouldn't be selling many of them.

Lots more stuff for the PC

If i was gonna buy a new laptop, it would be either a Sony or IBM. Just make sure its not one of those 999.99 ones. They suck.

On the other hand you HAVE been using a (gasp) packard bell. :tol

OMG theres that name again. :tilted

[Roamerick]

I have built/owned PCs for 14 years before buying my first mac, a lovely 12" Powerbook G4. My advice? Get a Mac if

a) you can afford it
b) you're looking for maximum "just works" factor
c) You don't mind losing access to the latest games

Only high-end macs (Well kitted G5's) have the videocard grunt to pull off games like HL2 (assuming it ever comes out for mac). But if you want to mainly do image editing, video editing, listen and manage a massive mucic collection or use GarageBand, go for a Mac Mini with 1GB of RAM and you're set!

Using OSX is easy, and after Windows it feels like a swedish massage :)

[nasrules]

The iPod ownership is irrelavent - iTunes works just as well on Windows as it does on a Mac. However...

If you can afford it, get a Mac. With a Mac, everything just works. For what you want to use it for, an iBook would be perfect.

[Digital Bliss]

btw welcome to zeropaid enjoy your stay honestly i would go with a pc because most software and programs are designed for pcs they are also easyer to upgrade

[notbob]

i wouldn't mind one of those 499 dollar boxes, maybe for video capture/editing, pvr

[evilmegaman]

with a PC, you can have absolutely anything you want. With a mac, software choices are fairly limited. Also, Ipods work perfectly with windows :) And you can get a better PC cheaper or as cheap than a lowend mac.

[method]

Macs look nicer but are more costly and can't do as much as a PC...

PCs do more stuff and are cheaper.

Tough decision.

[Exedus]

Macs look nicer but are more costly and can't do as much as a PC...

PCs do more stuff and are cheaper.

Tough decision.

You can do anything on an Apple that you can do on a PC. The only difference is the PC has more games available for it.

[.:sp00ky:.]

"You can do anything on an Apple that you can do on a PC."

...apart from run or play everything that only runs on a pc e.g games and alot of software.

well theirs emulation of course but meh.

[ducttapeBigSexy]

With what you described you want to do with your computer, Windows, Mac, or even a Linux box would work great.

Go for the Mac if you don't want and don't like configuring the heck out of your machines - Mac's have a tendecy to do what they want, but they do it correctly. Windows, on the other hand, can take some work (especially in the security area).

Also, if you're really interested in the software available for a Mac, go with the Mac! I'd recommend checking out www.apple.com and see what they have to offer (and, before any hardcore Windows users flame me, I personally don't even own a Mac - I perfer use Mandrakelinux and Windows.) What it comes down to is what you want to use it for, and how much it's going to cost.

[SanDiegoKid]

It comes down to the gaming factor these days. If you can only afford to be on one platform, you godda ask yourself if you wanna play the games.

[ABC123666]

Stick with the PC, unless your a pro at digital video imaging, photo imaging.


So macs have final cut and shake, so what? Windows has alot more options as far as editing of audio/video/images is concerned.

[TwoLoud]

macs sucks and always will....take it for what its worth

[cpugeniusmv]

macs sucks and always will....take it for what its worth
Wow, what an intelligent post.

[shelbytheevilmonkey]

As (another) lon-time PC builder and general enthusiast, I would say go for PC.
Components are cheap, and you'll likely have a lot of mates who can obtain parts for quite cheap if anything ever goes wrong. I would also advice against a package PC, unless absolutely none of your friends can help you build one or build one for you.
Most of the top editing suites are available (music and vid) for a variety of platforms, not just Macs, as that enables them to make the most profit!
It's my opinion that you'll learn more eventually about how it actually works. I disagree with the current culture of 'just using' computers, you'll benefit more from a bit of hands on!
Having said that, macs are easier.
peace,
-theevilmonkey

[Undying Wizard NHD]

pc all the way,,

[WE_DELIVER]

I think both Macs and PCs are great. It really depends on what u do with it and your knowledge of computers. I work at a place where all computers except mine are Macs, and I have never been limited. Infact, with all the drivers and programs available for PC, I never have any trouble getting software that can handle what I need to do.

In terms of digital video or imaging, PCs are just as capable, although Final Cut and others are quite a nice app. Pretty much, Illustrator, Photoshop, and After Effects are industry standard editing/graphics apps and they are available for both PC and Mac. Same goes for Maya (the 3D app, although dont know how it runs on Macs). Garage Band and Soundtrack for Macs are great as well, but if u get a PC, check out Acid by Sony(Used to be by Sonic Foundry).

Let us know of your decision and why u made it, once u do.

[muffenme]

:fire

I can't tell you if you shouldn't get a Mac because I haven't use a newer Mac. I use a PC and I find it does what I want it to do.

When buying a computer you must ask yourself what do I want it for and how much am I willing to spend on it.

PCs/Macs it doesn't matter if it doesn't do what you want it to do. One thing is your pick which one you want when it comes to spending the money. Both option look good if I was you.

:hole

[dolly dagger]

Ok, guys i'm going to go against 99.9% of the people i've talked too and go for a mac, call me crazy, but i like taking a risk. Probably go for the cheapest mini mac this shop in UK does a deal with everything - screen, mouse, keyboard for £500 (don't know price in dollars). After almost 10 years of a Packard Bell PC which continues to drive me mad i need a change, and the macs at my work are really good on use.

Thanks for the advice though.

I'll tell you all how the mac goes.

p.s. any tips on a reliable browser.

thanks

[WE_DELIVER]

FireFox for the browser.

[littlebeagle]

Well its to late but i've got a windows laptop that works perfectly, i've used macs but i just can't take to them, so i would definately reccommend a Windows Machine.

And for the browser go with firefox, the occasional problem with some websites but i revert to IE if that happens.

[kidmidnight]

Wow, there is a lot of ignorance in this thread. OSX is a UNIX system. It can run pretty much any Linux or Unix program natively through X11. That is TONS of software right there. On top of that it can run all the great commercial software for mac. The technology behind OSX is years and years more advanced than windows. It is easier and more secure to run but since it is based on UNIX, is also deeper and much more powerful. For every Windows program there is a Mac version that is the same if not better.

The only reason to not buy Apple is if you are a hardcore gamer. All the biggest PC games make it to OSX but sometimes you have to wait a while. If you are only a casual gamer or don't care about games (I prefer girls, jujitsu and ecology) then an Apple computer is the better choice.

It is a myth that Apple hardware is more expensive than it's P.C. based counterparts. It is also a myth that you can't upgrade or use any off the shelf hardware with it (the only things that are different are the mobo and the processor). You get the best, most advanced OS in the world (PC magazine even said it), the best built hardware and software (yet again number 1 in all the PC mags and Consumer Reports), and the best support after purchase (Yet again). Oh, and unlike P.C.s the products hold their value long after purchase so resale isn't a problem.

All that said, I use Windows and Mac. 90% of my time is spent on my Macs (I got my first one 2 years ago) the other 10% is spent playing games on my homemade pc's. When the new wave of consoles come out (PS3!!), pc's will be pushed back even further as a gaming platform.

[cpugeniusmv]

It is a myth that Apple hardware is more expensive than it's P.C. based counterparts.
You didn't offer any evidence to back this up. I'd like some.

[WE_DELIVER]

I agree with cpugeniusmv, u offered a lot of opinions presented to look as if it was fact.

Proove that for every program there is a Mac version that is the same if not better. For example, unless I am wrong, you will not find a Mac version of one of the industry standard 3D software, 3DS Max. Mac is not as popular as PC(at least not yet) so your point on that is deffinetly not true and the very reason that most games take so long to get to the Mac.

And you cant use ANY off the shelf hardware with your Mac. Some stuff is not compatible, especially PCI and AGP cards. Which usually, if its possible at all, have to have their BIOS flashed to be compatible with Mac(So much for the ease of use.)

Just my opinion <-very important.

[Auggie2k]

Isn't just the iPod thats having problems with windows, but there is a load of comparison problems on mac with different types of sortware, originally designed for windows? why choose mac? just stick with windows! my iPod works fine with it, never had a problem..

[Exedus]

I agree with cpugeniusmv, u offered a lot of opinions presented to look as if it was fact.

Proove that for every program there is a Mac version that is the same if not better. For example, unless I am wrong, you will not find a Mac version of one of the industry standard 3D software, 3DS Max. Mac is not as popular as PC(at least not yet) so your point on that is deffinetly not true and the very reason that most games take so long to get to the Mac.

And you cant use ANY off the shelf hardware with your Mac. Some stuff is not compatible, especially PCI and AGP cards. Which usually, if its possible at all, have to have their BIOS flashed to be compatible with Mac(So much for the ease of use.)

Just my opinion <-very important.

Why does he have to prove everything. He's right you know. Not every piece of software for a PC is available for a mac, but there will be software that will do anything you can do on a PC and usually will do it better.

Look I'm not a mac fanboy or anything, I don't even own an Apple computer, I have 2 PC's at home. But, I have used a lot of macs over the years and overall thier OS WAYYYY ahead of windows and all of thier software is much better. Plus the comment about Apple computers holding thier value is very true. Try selling your PC for anything of value in 2 years, it won't happen.

[cpugeniusmv]

Why does he have to prove everything.Chocolate is better than peanut butter. You might like peanut butter more than chocolate, but I don't have to say anymore. I'm right, you're wrong.
He's right you know. Not every piece of software for a PC is available for a mac, but there will be software that will do anything you can do on a PC and usually will do it better.

Look I'm not a mac fanboy or anything, I don't even own an Apple computer, I have 2 PC's at home. But, I have used a lot of macs over the years and overall thier OS WAYYYY ahead of windows and all of thier software is much better. Plus the comment about Apple computers holding thier value is very true. Try selling your PC for anything of value in 2 years, it won't happen.

[Julian]

I have built/owned PCs for 14 years before buying my first mac, a lovely 12" Powerbook G4. My advice? Get a Mac if

a) you can afford it
b) you're looking for maximum "just works" factor
c) You don't mind losing access to the latest games

Only high-end macs (Well kitted G5's) have the videocard grunt to pull off games like HL2 (assuming it ever comes out for mac). But if you want to mainly do image editing, video editing, listen and manage a massive mucic collection or use GarageBand, go for a Mac Mini with 1GB of RAM and you're set!

Using OSX is easy, and after Windows it feels like a swedish massage :)
I Concur...

[the great one]

PC is the best choice because it has the largest marketshare so everybody developes software for it.
I like Macs operating system better than I like windows,but for me it's about useability and Macs are limited in that department.
Pesonally I would like to see apple drop their prices so people will start buying Macs.Once people buy them, then software developers will start making software for them.
Once everypiece of software is available for mac then I can ditch windows because I hate microsoft.
Microsoft has burnt me before so I can't wait to ditch their product.
Guaranteed once apple drops their prices and gets software most people will drop windows in a heartbeat.
The problem with apple is they don't know much about business,they insist on charging too much for their product,but if they dropped the prices their units would sell and they would make a huge profit..

[SanDiegoKid]

Apple has to tackle the "my mom" factor.

My mom and the millions like her, have spent considerable time learning the basics of turning the PC box on and connecting to the internet. When someone like this gets or buys a mac, then finds out the casino 2005 game they bought at the store doesn't work on their machine for some mysterious reason, all hell breaks loose. When they ask someone for help and explain that "the thingy isn't clicking on the other thingy and it won't go" they're going to be completely lost.
People like this won't look at the "just works" factor of a mac, nor will they care about being in the special club most mac owners pride themselves on.... they'll just wanna know how to get the thingy to do the thing, and you can't expect my mom to figure out how to use a mac in a PC world.

[FrozenShadow23]

In my opinion, for the same amount of money, you can get a better PC.

[kidmidnight]

PC is the best choice because it has the largest marketshare so everybody developes software for it.
I like Macs operating system better than I like windows,but for me it's about useability and Macs are limited in that department.
Pesonally I would like to see apple drop their prices so people will start buying Macs.Once people buy them, then software developers will start making software for them.
Once everypiece of software is available for mac then I can ditch windows because I hate microsoft.
Microsoft has burnt me before so I can't wait to ditch their product.
Guaranteed once apple drops their prices and gets software most people will drop windows in a heartbeat.
The problem with apple is they don't know much about business,they insist on charging too much for their product,but if they dropped the prices their units would sell and they would make a huge profit..

499 macmini

[Exedus]

The problem with apple is they don't know much about business,they insist on charging too much for their product,but if they dropped the prices their units would sell and they would make a huge profit..

AH hahahaha!!! AHem...errrr excuse me, just clearing my throught. Apple doesn't know anything about business huh? What business school did you graduate from son? Steve Jobs is one of the smartest business people around. He knows his market. Apple is a niche product and he knows it. Apple will always have it's loyal followers and will always make money because of them.

The Ipod has only helped apple in recent years as well.
1. Release IPOD mp3 player to the world
2. Start online music store that works with Itunes and the ipod.
3. Make it work with PC's
4. Gain Dominance in the MP3 player market and onlin music sales.
5. After market is saturated release cheap mac to lure IPOD owners to buy one.

Very, very smart.

[the great one]

AH hahahaha!!! AHem...errrr excuse me, just clearing my throught. Apple doesn't know anything about business huh? What business school did you graduate from son? Steve Jobs is one of the smartest business people around. He knows his market. Apple is a niche product and he knows it. Apple will always have it's loyal followers and will always make money because of them.

The Ipod has only helped apple in recent years as well.
1. Release IPOD mp3 player to the world
2. Start online music store that works with Itunes and the ipod.
3. Make it work with PC's
4. Gain Dominance in the MP3 player market and onlin music sales.
5. After market is saturated release cheap mac to lure IPOD owners to buy one.

Very, very smart.

That's why it's got such a small marketshare huh?because Steve Jobs wants it that way?Pleeease!!

[isus]

it's a matter of personal opinion. pick the one you want that fits your budget and needs. people that blatantly put down mac or windows are fucking idiot fanboys and should be ignored.

[the great one]

it's a matter of personal opinion. pick the one you want that fits your budget and needs. people that blatantly put down mac or windows are fucking idiot fanboys and should be ignored.

I agree,they both have their strong points and weak points!

[the great one]

499 macmini

Mac mini offers the processing and graphics performance to take advantage of demanding consumer applications with either a 1.25 GHz or 1.42 GHz PowerPC G4 processor and ATI Radeon 9200 graphics with 32MB of dedicated DDR memory. Both models come with a slot-load Combo drive for watching DVD movies and burning CDs, and up to an 80GB hard drive for storing digital media creations.

They are trying,but it is a rather weak computer versus what you can get on the pc side of things!

[kidmidnight]

Mac mini offers the processing and graphics performance to take advantage of demanding consumer applications with either a 1.25 GHz or 1.42 GHz PowerPC G4 processor and ATI Radeon 9200 graphics with 32MB of dedicated DDR memory. Both models come with a slot-load Combo drive for watching DVD movies and burning CDs, and up to an 80GB hard drive for storing digital media creations.

They are trying,but it is a rather weak computer versus what you can get on the pc side of things!

Not really. Please read some of the respected pc journalist's reviews of it then try and say that.

[the great one]

Not really. Please read some of the respected pc journalist's reviews of it then try and say that.

Yes really,my three year old pc is more powerful!sorry!

[Roamerick]

Yes really,my three year old pc is more powerful!sorry!

Ignorance is bliss.

[the great one]

Ignorance is bliss.

I guess you would know!

All I am saying is that the Mac mini is basically G4,the $499 unit has limited memory and storage compared to pc's in the same price range,not to mention a slower CPU,also the expandability is limited.
That being said,if they dropped their price or upped the hardware specs they could really do well.
I like apple and I hope one day that they become a major competitor in the home computing market,because we will all win that way.Prices will drop and we won't be forced into using microsoft windows.

[RACKnRAIL]

I prefer pc's because that's what I know the best, but from a graphical or musical recording standpoint, I understand that mac's can out perform pc's. My pc studio with CW Sonar does me more than well, so...I can live without mac's for now. Also, they are from what I've seen far too expensive for my taste anyways.

[Exedus]

That's why it's got such a small marketshare huh?because Steve Jobs wants it that way?Pleeease!!

Where in my statement did I say that? Where? All I'm saying is that Steve Jobs is a very smary and savy businessman. Before Jobs came back to the company Apple was on the road to extinction.

[WE_DELIVER]

from a graphical or musical recording standpoint, I understand that mac's can out perform pc's.

I don't see how they can outperform PCs.....
....some links would be appreciated.

[isus]

you say this and then bitch about the mac mini. i can tell you don't understand the mhz myth, please shut your mouth, the only thing coming from it is verbal diarrhea and fud.

[WE_DELIVER]

I say what????

[RACKnRAIL]

I don't see how they can outperform PCs.....
....some links would be appreciated.
http://www.google.ca/ Go look for yourself...

[cpugeniusmv]

Show me a Mac for the same price as a PC where the Mac is more powerful.

I can encode video faster on a $500 PC than one of those MiniMacs.

I can encode video faster on a $3000 Mac than a $1000-$2000 PC.

Some Macs are faster than some PCs. Other PCs are faster than other Macs.

[RACKnRAIL]

Show me a Mac for the same price as a PC where the Mac is more powerful.

I can encode video faster on a $500 PC than one of those MiniMacs.

I can encode video faster on a $3000 Mac than a $1000-$2000 PC.

Some Macs are faster than some PCs. Other PCs are faster than other Macs.
WE DELIVER was not asking about bang for the buck. Why is it that most recording studios use mac's if they do not perform better? I work in 3 different local studios which all use mac's combined with beta analog. Yes they cost more, but they work better for certain applications, such as music and graphics. There are bench marks all over the internet stating unbiased facts and fiction on the subject, but you should know that....

[Christoph]

I used a mac at school with OS X and I didn't liked it

[Zecretagent]

I've used Macs in the past, the ease of use of a mac to me is all apple propaganda. I would never buy a mac, the hardware is expensive, you have to use emulators to play any good games. Another thing about macs , is thier die hard followers , they are some of the strangest people you'll ever see.I'll stick to my PC with an Athlon 64.

[Krell]

Everyone is sooooo serious . . so CompuGeek and I would like to add a weee bit of entertainment

http://www.thehoucks.com/happynowhere/Apple_Switch_Parody_DivX.avi


http://www.ugo.com/channels/games/features/switch/media/switch.mov




HA




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[RACKnRAIL]

I've used Macs in the past, the ease of use of a mac to me is all apple propaganda. I would never buy a mac, the hardware is expensive, you have to use emulators to play any good games. Another thing about macs , is thier die hard followers , they are some of the strangest people you'll ever see.I'll stick to my PC with an Athlon 64.
Aside from macs, I do like the Triumph avatar. The best of is a must see download...hilarious!

[Roamerick]

Four simple rules to remember when asking people to comment on Mac vs. PC:

- Disregard anyone "dissing" either platform instead of contributing constructive criticism.
- Disregard anyone who clearly has never used one of the platforms for more than a few minutes.
- Disregard anyone using "never" and "always" as qualifiers for their statements.
- Disregard anyone talking using MHz as synomymous with performance.

Whatever is left, should be good advice :)

[SanDiegoKid]

This one made me laugh so hard I made a poopy. A small one... but a poopy nonetheless.


http://www1.stfunoob.com/movies/Blue%20Screen%20Of%20Death.wmv

[kidmidnight]

I used a mac at school with OS X and I didn't liked it

Classic PC user grammar. I hope you're doing well in school.

[cpugeniusmv]

Classic PC user grammar. I hope you're doing well in school.
I wouldn't be so cocky, I went through your last few posts and found at least 3 grammatical/spelling/syntactical errors.

[notbob]

Classic PC user grammar. I hope you're doing well in school.


it's classic english as second language grammar

how many languages do you speak?

dick

[d-koolest]

As I see it, the difference between a Mac and a PC is this: PCs are too compatible with everything (they let in viruses etc. just surfing the web, sometimes even with all the antivirus stuff working) while Macs aren't compatible enough (you'll never get a virus, but you might not be able to make some game either).

Aside from that, everything is variable. Relative performance varies with the program you use, interface differences are basically a matter of opinion (though the dock IS badly designed), and in my experience, neither OS is measurably more stable. Both have plenty of software to choose from (seriously there's no shortage of mac software).

I'm relatively unbiased, having used Macs and PCs for several years each. I'm writing this on a PC, but if I have to buy a new computer I'm not sure which I'd choose.

[SanDiegoKid]

Too compatible...

... heh.

[WE_DELIVER]

I see isus that u have managed to tell me to shut my mouth(which was quite rude btw), yet the only link u could provide was google. As if I never heard of it...thanx...I'll check it out. Well, I did, and I found some mixed results, which is exatctly why I asked for links to go with someones argument in the first place.

As for seeing Macs in some recording studios, I believe that their presence there has a lot with culture. A lot of artistic people are raised on mac in Art school and develop the preference for Mac, which they push to work.

Like I said. I think both platforms are great in their own way. And I dont see how u can say Mac or PC is better in this or this. From my personal work experience, and I work at a place that creates both audio and video content(broadcast quality), the PC is NOT outperformed by the Mac. Infact, in some friendly arguments with my fellow Mac coworkers, they could not bring few if any performance arguments(especially in the 3D department), it was mainly interface and OS level issues that they did not like about Windows.

[isus]

I say what????
lol i thought i had quoted a guy from earlier who was agreed with my post that you need to pick what fits your needs and then pissed and moaned about the mac mini.

look, there are lots of people out here making themselves look like complete fucking douches by talking about how the mac is faster than the pc or the pc is faster than the mac.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, THE MARGIN IS USUALLY UNDER 1 SECOND*

get a fucking life, guys. if you can't spare 1 second of your life maybe you need to stop holding your dick in your hand so much.

* for single tests. if you go out and find some benchmark where the one side takes 1 minute less than the other to finish, and it's multiple tests, AND use it as an argument, i will beat you in the face with a break.

[isus]

I see isus that u have managed to tell me to shut my mouth(which was quite rude btw), yet the only link u could provide was google. As if I never heard of it...thanx...I'll check it out. Well, I did, and I found some mixed results, which is exatctly why I asked for links to go with someones argument in the first place.

As for seeing Macs in some recording studios, I believe that their presence there has a lot with culture. A lot of artistic people are raised on mac in Art school and develop the preference for Mac, which they push to work.

Like I said. I think both platforms are great in their own way. And I dont see how u can say Mac or PC is better in this or this. From my personal work experience, and I work at a place that creates both audio and video content(broadcast quality), the PC is NOT outperformed by the Mac. Infact, in some friendly arguments with my fellow Mac coworkers, they could not bring few if any performance arguments(especially in the 3D department), it was mainly interface and OS level issues that they did not like about Windows.
sorry, haven't been around in a few days, though i dont know what's so hard to understand about "pick what fits your needs".

and to the "who is in audio and video content" WHO THE FUCK CARES? "hey guys, my dell is used in professional audio recording studios!" to which i would flip you off, kick you in the nuts, and say "NOBODY CARES". same if you try to say "pixar uses apple! so do i!"

(though to be real honest, i think imovie hands windows movie maker it's arse)

[WE_DELIVER]

Thats why I am saying that both are good in their own way.....

[isus]

Thats why I am saying that both are good in their own way.....
... i was just clarifying who i was talking to. it wasn't you.

o and on a final note, if somebody does go out and find a benchmark that one is faster than the other, we know the other side will bitch about it until there's no tomorrow.

[WE_DELIVER]

agreed.... :-)

[SanDiegoKid]

This (http://oldcomputers.net/c64.html) is the proven solution. I'm switching [back].

[Ogi]

I dont have a MAC, but managed to get Tiger running on my Dell and am playing around with it, so far I have yet to find a program which there wasnt a replacement on OSX for.

Seriosly though, apart from games there has not been any other program which i couldnt run on it. I would buy a mac, if I had the money. And Using OSX is such a pleasure, its so easy to configure and get running, and it just works.

If you want tweaking, configuring, power and flexibility, then use Linux

If you want Headaches,hassles, Viruses and the biggest collection of software on earth, then use Windows (personally I havent used it in years, i stick to the "quality vs quantity" argument regarding how much software exists for the OS). Besides, the MAC version of Microsoft Office works much better then the Windows Version from personal experience, and many M$ programs are availiable for MAC. Also gaming is the best on the MS OS. If you want games then definatly stick to windows.

Im not too keen on Macs as desktop machines, but their laptops are sweet, esp the powerbooks with the wide-sceens and Titanium finish.

In all essence, Mac's are good if you are not going to do anything special, Music, Word processing, Video editing,Web browsing.... General use like that. They are also the best for graphic design and
"creative" computer use.

Linux is good for power and flexiblity (i.e. If you want to do something special) . There is really no limit to what you can do with it (providing you know how to do it, which is a different matter) but has a steep learning curve and requires configuration.

For windows, I really see no use for it apart from a Gaming Rig, and running some piece of software which your life depends on but only has a windows version.

[Turbine]

I voted Mac. Though I use PC and probably will forever.
I've seen and used Macs since the early years. And apart from a period when MS had their 95 and NT stuff out, but Apple were still on their old OS, you'd have to be crazy not to recognize how slick and elegant everything about the Mac is.
Gorgeous stuff.
I don't drive a Bentley either. I like them too.