next generation P2P for copyright material

[photonic]

Suppose we want to design a next generation P2P network that make it impossible for the copyright industry to sue users who share a specific copyright material, how can we accomplish the objective????

[mountain_rage]

The program should find loopholes in laws, exploit these loopholes directly in their file sharing applications. Do this to protect the downloaded/unloader so that in court he can defend himself, and not incur any damages.

It should hide a users IP adress, block IP addresses much like peer guardian, encrypt the data and route traffic through multiple users in similar ways as ants is currently using.

It should also host many legal music downloads like the ones offered by download.com so so it can show to the authorities your program is used for many legit purposes and you cant help it if your users decide to transfer copyrighted files.

In the end tho its basically impossible to make yourself 100% hidden, but it is possible to protect yourself enough so that one couldnt sue you. Thats the goal authors should be looking at.

[infringer]

Be more descreate and you got em beat. File sharing will continue to go on as long as there is an internet connection and it will continue on a large scale I'd bet as well. But there will always be ways to transfer information to and fro thats what the internet is alll about transfering information at a cheap price which is your monthly fee.

And as internet grows at faster speeds more stuff will beable to be sent in a shorter amount of time. Making it a tougher catch.

-infringer-

[DwarfBaby]

Arghfragen, I masturbate to your people’s incompetence. Loopholes and licenses and whatevever you think of next, I really don't give a shit. I have whatever I want and I'll take as I please. I don't worry about a knock on my door or an email to tarnish my good name. Eye on what I'm after
I don't need another friend
Smile and drop the cliche
Till you think I'm listening
I take just what I came for
Then I'm out the door again
Peripheral long the package
Don't care to settle in
Time to feed the monster
I don't need another friend
Comfort is a mystery
Crawling out of my own skin
Just give me what I came for, then I'm out the door again

Basically, Learn IRC and Newsgroups and the Riaa can lick your sack. I have been experimenting with P2P since 1999 and always found it wanting. Nothing has ever satisfied my want more then what has always been right in front of me. The writing is on the wall, come to the dark side. Give in to it, you will never come back.

[ABC123666]

Move everyone to russia or china.

[eivioolla]

Or Germany or Canada...

[shawners]

I got an offshore isp, its long distance but they cant touch me.

[Afn]

Suppose we want to design a next generation P2P network that make it impossible for the copyright industry to sue users who share a specific copyright material, how can we accomplish the objective????
Share. Remember Gandi knew that the system was dependent on people to make the system work. When Gandi called for a day of fasting and prayer, it shut india down. The same is true with the entertainment industry.

Share and trade, Share knowledge! They can never stop the information revolution.

[infringer]

The system is flawed just because the RIAA/MPAA gets a victory here or victory there in the form of a lawsuit do not let it blur the fact that there is millions of folks proclaiming there own victories daily and many times daily as well. Download and share what you can ... If you wish to stand up against the big companies taking away the freedoms this is just one way to do it. I dont view that me sharing a file with someone as being a big harm while there are others that feel thats all its about is ripping off the industry and getting free shit there is more to the picture then that.

-infringer-

[Afn]

The system is flawed just because
Technology prevenented easy, high quality copying. Radio created a local market for national acts, and payment to the trade assocations because radio stations were getting local advertising dollars, and could pay industrial blackmail in exchange for diverse audio experiences in the form of pre-recorded music.

Radio is fragmented and podcasting is not going to have the audience size or prestege that broadcasting had in the mid to late 20th century. Computer technology questions the value of premium entertainment, something that I like to talk about and inform people about.

Salt at one time in the world was expensive, wars were fought over it, and today, thanks to modern processing, salt is.... cheap as salt.

It should be a fun ride to the bottom.

[inoesomestuff]

for small trusted communities, wouldnt WASTE be the ideal next thing for p2p?

[rainbowdemon]

Salt at one time in the world was expensive, wars were fought over it, and today, thanks to modern processing, salt is.... cheap as salt.

And at one time, workers were paid with salt rather than money. It was that valuable. And this is the origin of the word "salary".

[shawners]

Suppose we want to design a next generation P2P network that make it impossible for the copyright industry to sue users who share a specific copyright material, how can we accomplish the objective????

Remember LIar LIar movie where Jim carrey is walking to his office and his secretary said to him, "Your client just knocked off a liquor store and needs your legal advice." At that time he picks up the phone and screams loudly. "QUIT BREAKING THE LAW ASSHOLE." I thought that was quite awesome =)

[Mels_Smileys45]

"Here, I am the law!" - (some guy in a movie)

[WillemB]

One man who kills is a murder but what if 1 million people kill others?

P2P has one way of surviving and that is to get BIG and fully or semi-decentralized. Most P2P systems now have a few bigtime uploaders whcih can be shut down taking down the whole network. The trick to survival is to make more people upload so we don't need the big uploaders.

I'm working on an incentive based protocol that should make more people willing to upload since they can download more if they do. This should make a network popular since downloading will go faster and more people will have more sources.

[Afn]

One man who kills is a murder but what if 1 million people kill others?


It is called war and they give out awards, promotions and government contracts.

P2P has one way of surviving and that is to get BIG and fully or semi-decentralized. Most P2P systems now have a few bigtime uploaders whcih can be shut down taking down the whole network. The trick to survival is to make more people upload so we don't need the big uploaders.


Information is going open source, it is a matter of time and technology before the system reflects what the people in the file sharing community have known for many years, restriction of information and access leads to total tyranny.

[Shudogg]

Well you would probably have 1 million murders on your hands. I agree with the very wise man who said irc. Its not hard, ive taught some of my computer illeterate friends how to use it. With P2P like kazaa or something, more people need to rip the songs themselves so you dont burn a cd, have it blaring then have an electronic skipping noise blasting through your skull. nobody likes that. Yes there would probably still be the screwed up songs, but also a wider selection so 9 times out of 10 with some new songs you dont have screwed up songs. One thing with being forced to upload is that not as many people will be willing to use it. Theres a lot of freeloaders. When i was on cable in columbus i had 600 kbps down and like 60 up (real speed that i got, not what the isp said) and when people download from me, I had 4 computers on the net, and Halo 2. NOTHING comes between me and my halo 2. lag sucks.

[Stownplayer]

We as consumers could shut the fucking industry down. All we have to do is stand up and say "Enough". Then when noone buys any music or movies, what will happen. I wish enough people would stand together on issues. Same things happen all the time while some fucktard in washington adds another law to limit an aspect of my life. I'm reaching a breaking point.

Sincerely,
Pissed in SC
:devil :devil

Share. Remember Gandi knew that the system was dependent on people to make the system work. When Gandi called for a day of fasting and prayer, it shut india down. The same is true with the entertainment industry.

Share and trade, Share knowledge! They can never stop the information revolution.

[tsafa1]

Only way for p2p to survive is to contimue to develope anonymous p2p and support it.

Finding loopholes is pointless because you will spend a lot of money and in the end politicians will get to bribed to change the law anyway. The law is also difrent in difrent areas and their may be no loopholes in some contries.

P2P must keep users safe from unfair laws.

[FreakShow!]

Explain this to me, Farenheit 9/11 was Michael Moore's creation. He owns that and so he can say what happens to this. During the US election he avidly told everyone to publish the film on p2p and distribute it as far as they could, thus trying to ensure people would see it. As soon as this began the RIAA clamped down on him and told everyone that them doing this was illegal and should not be done. Tus, thnumber of people thayt may have been swayed did not see it. Why can the RIAA say this, when they dont own the rights to it and Michael Moore the guy who does said it was OK.
If I am right about all that (which I think I am but if im not you can ignore me) the RIAA is way above its station and should be destroyed. We could either leave life like this and have the company that made the film deciding whether to prosecute or we could set up a system that would listen to the film maker.
I have been scared out of p2ping due to the prosecutions, (better to be safe than sorry) but if everyone supported p2p so much we could have a system where everyone pays a dollar a month/year or whatever and then have access to any thing we could find on their, or (once the internet speeds have got higher) a streaming server. Everyone pays a dollar and can watch a film when they want and who could stop anyone from recording this stream via software that I know exists.

[Stownplayer]

Explain this to me, Farenheit 9/11 was Michael Moore's creation. He owns that and so he can say what happens to this. During the US election he avidly told everyone to publish the film on p2p and distribute it as far as they could, thus trying to ensure people would see it. As soon as this began the RIAA clamped down on him and told everyone that them doing this was illegal and should not be done. Tus, thnumber of people thayt may have been swayed did not see it. Why can the RIAA say this, when they dont own the rights to it and Michael Moore the guy who does said it was OK.
If I am right about all that (which I think I am but if im not you can ignore me) the RIAA is way above its station and should be destroyed. We could either leave life like this and have the company that made the film deciding whether to prosecute or we could set up a system that would listen to the film maker.
I have been scared out of p2ping due to the prosecutions, (better to be safe than sorry) but if everyone supported p2p so much we could have a system where everyone pays a dollar a month/year or whatever and then have access to any thing we could find on their, or (once the internet speeds have got higher) a streaming server. Everyone pays a dollar and can watch a film when they want and who could stop anyone from recording this stream via software that I know exists.


Everyone paying for p2p is a bad idea. I think p2p is evolving just fine. With broadband speeds increasing and the development of anonymous networks, i think anonymous fast file sharing is on the horizon. Then they cant fuck with us if they wanted to. Riaa and mpaa don't scare me. Just know how the file share the safest way you can and decrease the odds of detection and you'll be fine.

[Excrement_Cranium]

Explain this to me, Farenheit 9/11 was Michael Moore's creation. He owns that and so he can say what happens to this. During the US election he avidly told everyone to publish the film on p2p and distribute it as far as they could, thus trying to ensure people would see it. As soon as this began the RIAA clamped down on him and told everyone that them doing this was illegal and should not be done. Tus, thnumber of people thayt may have been swayed did not see it. Why can the RIAA say this, when they dont own the rights to it and Michael Moore the guy who does said it was OK.
If I am right about all that (which I think I am but if im not you can ignore me) the RIAA is way above its station and should be destroyed. We could either leave life like this and have the company that made the film deciding whether to prosecute or we could set up a system that would listen to the film maker.
I have been scared out of p2ping due to the prosecutions, (better to be safe than sorry) but if everyone supported p2p so much we could have a system where everyone pays a dollar a month/year or whatever and then have access to any thing we could find on their, or (once the internet speeds have got higher) a streaming server. Everyone pays a dollar and can watch a film when they want and who could stop anyone from recording this stream via software that I know exists.


To answer the question:

For one, it was more likely the MPAA. The MPAA holds interest with the movie studios, who distribute and finance the film. They are the ones who rake in the money and profit, not Michael Moore.

[ABC_thellookoflove]

http:/www.i2phex.tk

[DOOOMKULTUS]

Soon the major p2p clients donkey & torrent are going to be decentralised & I am sure RIAA/MPAA are scared shit 'coz they know that the biggest argument that they have against p2p is the hosting of files or hash on a server.I this case they will directly target the users,but to sue millions, one has to be out of his mind.If it tries to do that RIAA will be doing a big blunder,just like when napster was brought down RIAA site was hacked & was given the message:
"Adapt to technology, don't expect people to adapt to your cyber phobic primitive asses! Ya relix1"
I dont fear the RIAA or MPAA but RIAA & others might join the p2p bandwagon (in case they lose) & in turn charge money although less, but hey,do i care HELL NO

[Afn]

Soon the major p2p clients donkey & torrent are going to be decentralised & I am sure RIAA/MPAA are scared shit 'coz they know that the biggest argument that they have against p2p is the hosting of files or hash on a server.I this case they will directly target the users,but to sue millions, one has to be out of his mind.If it tries to do that RIAA will be doing a big blunder,just like when napster was brought down RIAA site was hacked & was given the message:
"Adapt to technology, don't expect people to adapt to your cyber phobic primitive asses! Ya relix1"
I dont fear the RIAA or MPAA but RIAA & others might join the p2p bandwagon (in case they lose) & in turn charge money although less, but hey,do i care HELL NO

Casual sharing will not stop and only increase. Incomes for all media producers will drop as more and more content is free and shared.

[Ne007]

Make a program that infects computers and sets them up as servers......hide the program....and only the people who know where the program gets installed can use its P2P functions. You'd be able to upload and download from people's computers without them knowing it, and you'd be able to turn your own "server" function off.

In essence this gives everyone plausible deniabilty since this is a "virus" that compromised your computer.

This would work.

[unknownpersonage]

Explain this to me, Farenheit 9/11 was Michael Moore's creation. He owns that and so he can say what happens to this. During the US election he avidly told everyone to publish the film on p2p and distribute it as far as they could, thus trying to ensure people would see it. As soon as this began the RIAA clamped down on him and told everyone that them doing this was illegal and should not be done. Tus, thnumber of people thayt may have been swayed did not see it. Why can the RIAA say this, when they dont own the rights to it and Michael Moore the guy who does said it was OK.
If I am right about all that (which I think I am but if im not you can ignore me) the RIAA is way above its station and should be destroyed. We could either leave life like this and have the company that made the film deciding whether to prosecute or we could set up a system that would listen to the film maker.
I have been scared out of p2ping due to the prosecutions, (better to be safe than sorry) but if everyone supported p2p so much we could have a system where everyone pays a dollar a month/year or whatever and then have access to any thing we could find on their, or (once the internet speeds have got higher) a streaming server. Everyone pays a dollar and can watch a film when they want and who could stop anyone from recording this stream via software that I know exists.
if every one was intimidated into not using p2p like you it would cease to exist which is what the suits want,you are helping their dubious cause.
start sharing again and stop being a wimp

[Afn]

if every one was intimidated into not using p2p like you it would cease to exist which is what the suits want,you are helping their dubious cause.
start sharing again

This is the core issue. They want a monopoly on information in digital entertainment. It should not happen, and will not happen. As more information is produced, so will the value of all information decrease. (Excess supply = reduced pricing)

By creating artifical (controlled access) to products, and other games that restrict universal access, they can extort multiple prices over mulitple venues or windows of exibition.

[iamthatis]

Addressing a few points

a) you are more likly to get accidentilly shot by a police officer than be sued by the riaa (i can't remember where this came from, but its an interesting stat)

b) the riaa are only winning (if it can be called that) in a few countries, in others like canada and sweden they are, quite honestly, being told where to shove it.

c) the best way to keep p2p going is to keep using it. united we stand divided we fall.

d) trying to stop filesharing with the riaa is like trying to stop a river with a bridge. They ain't stopping nothign, just standing above it all acting high and mighty.

e) there will come a day when fileshariing is legal. will it be today? dont hold your breakth... will it be tommorow? maybe.

The best next generation of p2p software would be better off dealing with not filesharing, but providing a united front against the big corperations who wish to exersise control over their customers. A p2p app that allows the sharing not of music, but of ideas, support and suggestions.

If every person who has ever used a filesharing program in the USA wrote a letter to their local politician refusing to vote for them if they dont legalise filesharing, it WILL be legal, tommorow. Now thats PEER preasure.

[Afn]

Addressing a few points

a) you are more likly to get accidentilly shot by a police officer than be sued by the riaa (i can't remember where this came from, but its an interesting stat)

b) the riaa are only winning (if it can be called that) in a few countries, in others like canada and sweden they are, quite honestly, being told where to shove it.

c) the best way to keep p2p going is to keep using it. united we stand divided we fall.

d) trying to stop filesharing with the riaa is like trying to stop a river with a bridge. They ain't stopping nothign, just standing above it all acting high and mighty.

e) there will come a day when fileshariing is legal. will it be today? dont hold your breakth... will it be tommorow? maybe.

The best next generation of p2p software would be better off dealing with not filesharing, but providing a united front against the big corperations who wish to exersise control over their customers. A p2p app that allows the sharing not of music, but of ideas, support and suggestions.

If every person who has ever used a filesharing program in the USA wrote a letter to their local politician refusing to vote for them if they dont legalise filesharing, it WILL be legal, tommorow. Now thats PEER preasure.

It may take several generations before p2p is free from systems of information control. There needs to be a system in place to compensate artists for work created. Works are being produced in such volume, frequency and speed that few works are going to make any substantial income.

Before the net you could make a good living off of DTP or DTV. The net places all of this electronic content online for free. Even if you subtract all of the copyrighted material scanned from books that are in active publication, you are still going to have more information than any one individual can view, read and enjoy in a lifetime, free, in the public domain and available from any connected point in the world.

A school teacher can produce one novel or work of art a month while teaching k-12 or k-6 and make 36,000 a year or more. A struggling video producer might produce 2 hours a week in content and make less than 10,000 a year. The same producer for c-span might make 80,000 a year producing content.

Until you have a standard income for adults, your going to see increased piracy and that will end when everyone has income to live a middle class or better lifestyle. The underclass is educated more than ever before and blatently pissed at the lifestyles of the wealthy, upper middle class and middle class.

[iamthatis]

filesharing was never meant to be illegal. Its just been peverted that way by the riaa and its allies. Take a look for yourself. There are meny things in copywrite law that allow filesharing. section 1008 for example, there are others about distributing lawfully made copies as well. My point is, the laws are already there we just need to stop them from being stolen away from us to help big corps. profit

[infringer]

I just came up with a brilliant or idiots idea...

Computers are cheap hard disk space is cheap...

Linux is open source and free to develop...

Internet speed is increasing as we speak...

PrivateSurferLinux is the idea.

Create a linux platform that only allows information on the net via an onion router type setup include the information in the EULA... All info is proxied through chains and a built in peer gaurdian system. Therefore everything that everyone connects to on P2P or the internet period will have to be proxied... We take a loss in connection speed for the time being sets us back to early dsl or whatever speed and disallow anything to do with online purchases or accounts through https connections.

Viola not the most secure for malacious attackers but... you'll have you're files without issue.

If we do not like having to install it create live DVDRW and CDRW versions...

Any data transfered on the internet would have to be proxied...

To save the legal hassel we could call it linux private surfer. Rather then boldly calling it P2P linux.

The developers nor the people could be held liable cause the main objective will indeed be advertised as adware and spyware blocking features to increase you're privacy and stop targeted ad unwanted ads ;)

-infringer-

[maxrebo]

The idea you're describing was put into place in Anonym.OS, which is an OpenBSD based liveCD. http://sourceforge.net/projects/anonym-os/

It's a cool idea, but it runs into the standard onion-routed problem of your speed being only as fast as the slowest upstream in the routing chain, making it painful for P2P use.

[rainbowdemon]

The idea you're describing was put into place in Anonym.OS, which is an OpenBSD based liveCD. http://sourceforge.net/projects/anonym-os/

It's a cool idea, but it runs into the standard onion-routed problem of your speed being only as fast as the slowest upstream in the routing chain, making it painful for P2P use.

Painful? My first 2 years of file-sharing was done with a 26k dial-up.

:devil2

[maxrebo]

Painful? My first 2 years of file-sharing was done with a 26k dial-up.

:devil2

Yea, I know the feeling. I was IRCing on 28.8 for a couple years, and I remember being excited when I upgraded to 56k. But, even so, that was before I even dreamed of downloading lossless music, tv shows, or movies. It was highly compressed mp3s and small apps only.

[Afn]

A Flavor of linux needs to intergrate p2p as a core process and adopt a share all approach to development. Basically everything is developed, just the programming code to make everything open and interdeveloped.

One pc one code... deploy everywhere. System would have to be open to allow all sharing of content, and systems to know when to automate sharing of content. We do not need copyrighted information.... we need a share all open source solution that would make most copyrighted information useless.

Regards,
Afn

--- P.S. I am not BLACK.

[meyou123]

Suppose we want to design a next generation P2P network that make it impossible for the copyright industry to sue users who share a specific copyright material, how can we accomplish the objective????



They ALREADY have one...it is called....NEWSGROUPS! It is not 100% safe from the media mafia....but then again......NOTHING IS!

There is NO 100% anonymous p2p program....and I seriously doubt there ever will be.

[Excrement_Cranium]

Aye.

Newsgroups have the safety of antiquity.

[dhuman]

I've been trading, warezing, p2p for a bit....keeping a low profile is most important...my $.02

[loujob]

Yea, i say get a seedbox or something similar

[NDGAARONDI]

Painful? My first 2 years of file-sharing was done with a 26k dial-up.

:devil2


Ouch! I wish I went 1Mb from the word go since rather than use 56k. Would have been wow handy since I used AudioGalaxy a lot back then.

[thekingace]

Yeah i never wanna go back im lovin it now 2mbps.....

It was kazaa i guess i got screwed....lol...

[linkodz]

Whenever the law decides to take on anybody, pretty simple they will.

Offshore hosting, you can still be closed, I know for experience.

The best you can do is have a private server and share it with your most trustworthy friends, ftp rings.

[wrestledude363]

bt.etree.org offers legal live music downloads...oh and in France file-sharing is legal.