The Enterprise Vs. a Star Destroyer

[SanDiegoKid]

Who would win in a fight? The Enterprise (the newest coolest most hi tech version or whatever) or a Star Destroyer? How? Why?

This thread is a judgement-free zone. No geekiness, fanboy/girl-isms, or obscure knowledge shall be used against you.

If given the opportunity I may enter the Battlestar Galactica and/or Space Battleship Yamato (Argo) into the fight. This is at my discretion.

Babylon Five shall not at any point enter the discussion.

Anyone who mentions Farscape will be politely reminded that, inventive writing and superb special effects for a television show aside, Moya is a wimp.

By your command.

[TheBlackSnow]

lol whats the question. I have no idea who would win...

[RACKnRAIL]

Well if Kirk, instead of that spineless idiot, Archer, was at the helm, then Enterprise would undoubtedly win, hands down. I hated quantum leap too! Scott Bakula sucks the big galactic banana!!!! t'pol is a much different story though.....she's hot!

[moneoa]

LOL is this a real question guys?

You realise a Star Destroyer is huge, Enterprise would get the snot beat out of it.
(there are more than 1,400 crew on a SD while there are only 1,400 crew on the enterprise.)

Especially with Admiral Thrawn at the helm, a fleet of SD could take out Star Fleet.

[SanDiegoKid]

Especially with Admiral Thrawn at the helm, a feet of SD could take out Star Fleet.
Ooooo, Heir to the Empire obscurities. Nice! Impressive!

10 geek points go to Moneoa. (5 for obscure characters, 5 for literary source)\

5 geek points go to RACKnRAIL (-5 for mentioning Scott Bakula, +10 for bringing up T'pol.)

-5 geek points for Modestas (indecision gets you killed on the battlefield)

[muffenme]

:hole

NCC-1701-D would be the one I would say would make mensmeat out of a Star Destroyer. A galaxy class star ship is the way to go. The battle would last about an 1/2 an hour and no more SD and that if they are toying with them. 6 may be 8 photons torpeado to destroy a SD

NCC-1701-E would use 2 quantium torpeado to destroy the SD

A Borg Cube weapon would cut though the armer of a SD like it was paper and make short work of one of these ships.

:hole

[muffenme]

LOL is this a real question guys?

You realise a Star Destroyer is huge, Enterprise would get the snot beat out of it.
(there are more than 1,400 crew on a SD while there are only 1,400 crew on the enterprise.)

Especially with Admiral Thrawn at the helm, a feet of SD could take out Star Fleet.

:fire

I don't think so, a fleat from Star Fleet would scare off these attacker and win the war.

:hole

[Kevin33134]

The Enterprise would obviously win considering it has better technology. Being bigger in size makes you a bigger target.

[moneoa]

The Enterprise would obviously win considering it has better technology. Being bigger in size makes you a bigger target.
Better Technology? There was a SD that could destroy stars called, you guessed it "Sun Crusher" Bevel Lemelisk, the guy who invented it and the Death Star (and dark sabre <----Death Star Cannon without the death star) was a genius. The technology is farrrr more advanced in SW than ST.....2 photon torpedos would do nothing to slow one of those beheamoths.

[Miniver]

One of the capital ships from Firefly would kick the crap out of both of them.

[Pirate_RRRRRR_IIIIII]

The enterprise has fucking shields people, come on, the SD wouldnt stand a chance

[Lehk]

Better Technology? There was a SD that could destroy stars called, you guessed it "Sun Crusher" Bevel Lemelisk, the guy who invented it and the Death Star (and dark sabre <----Death Star Cannon without the death star) was a genius. The technology is farrrr more advanced in SW than ST.....2 photon torpedos would do nothing to slow one of those beheamoths.

The Sun Crusher was not a Star Destroyer, it was it's own ship and it used supernova torpedo's to trigger a massive chain reaction. In theory any SW universe ship (or ST ship if the tech were to be given to them, which it owuld not) could fire supernova torpedoes, the real genious of the sun crusher was the ability to survive inside such fun places as Gas Supergiants and Stars.

It would simply be no contest there are many independantly fired turbolasers on a Star Destroyer, even more on a Super Star Destroyer. As seen in one of the movies (forgot which) a Star Destroyer Turbolaser can vaporize asteroids with a single shot, even assuming that the Turbolasers were at maximum output for such a task (unlikely) that puts the energy output at immense levels, equal to many, many Thermonuclear explosions. Based on this premise a shot or two from a turbolaser would easily have enough output to cause an effect similar to nuclear winter. In an episode of Voyager they came across a (level|class?) 5 photon torpedo device which had erred in it's programming and was destined to a civilized planet, the concern was not planetary destruction but rather continental level damage, which could be taken to be less than, or somewhat equivilant in power to the Star Destroyer Turbolaser. since at the time of construction class 5 was the strongest photon torpedo and during voyager class 6 was considered still somewhat new and class 5 was still considered to be useful in combat.

Given the high rate of fire of an Imperial Star Destoyer Turbolaser it can safely be assumed that the Turbolaser banks on an Imperial Star Destroyer would be capable of a bombardment with energy levels approximating dozens to hundreds of photon torpedoes per minute, or even more.

Based on all of this It is my estimation that the fight would be somewhat like a Yogo vs. a Freight Train.

[Mels_Smileys45]

The Enterprise wins by default. After tricking the Borg into attacking the Star Destroyer the Enterprise tucks tail and runs to fight another day.


Besides the Enterprise is real.

Quatum Leap is an awsome show. A real classic.

[YWD67]

LOL is this a real question guys?

You realise a Star Destroyer is huge, Enterprise would get the snot beat out of it.
(there are more than 1,400 crew on a SD while there are only 1,400 crew on the enterprise.)

Especially with Admiral Thrawn at the helm, a fleet of SD could take out Star Fleet. Well don't forget that the Enterprise A in the first movie took a direct hit from Vyger, and it had been digatizing whole planets into nothingness across the whole galaxy. So I would say that the Enterprise E would be even better still. Hell it could take a Death Star hit with out it's shield being up and the whole crew drunk on Romulan Ale without a scratch.

Now lets talk high tech, no bullshit, kick-ass, star ship. There is no equal. A picture is worth a thousand words. See below.

The Planet Express Star Ship survived the explosion of a supernova. Top that Mel!

[RACKnRAIL]

Ooooo, Heir to the Empire obscurities. Nice! Impressive!

10 geek points go to Moneoa. (5 for obscure characters, 5 for literary source)\

5 geek points go to RACKnRAIL (-5 for mentioning Scott Bakula, +10 for bringing up T'pol.)

-5 geek points for Modestas (indecision gets you killed on the battlefield)

...yIDoghQo'

pot'hbe'chug yay qatlh p"eghlu'

[RACKnRAIL]

The Enterprise wins by default. After tricking the Borg into attacking the Star Destroyer the Enterprise tucks tail and runs to fight another day.


Besides the Enterprise is real.

Quatum Leap is an awsome show. A real classic.

tlhIngan Hol Dajatlh'e'

yIHarQo'! nepwI' ghaH!

[Mels_Smileys45]

I don't talk to dirty Klingon's. lol

[RACKnRAIL]

I don't talk to dirty Klingon's. lol

tlhIngan jIHbe'

[Mels_Smileys45]

Well you smell like one!

[ATLien]

The Sun Crusher was not a Star Destroyer, it was it's own ship and it used supernova torpedo's to trigger a massive chain reaction. In theory any SW universe ship (or ST ship if the tech were to be given to them, which it owuld not) could fire supernova torpedoes, the real genious of the sun crusher was the ability to survive inside such fun places as Gas Supergiants and Stars.

It would simply be no contest there are many independantly fired turbolasers on a Star Destroyer, even more on a Super Star Destroyer. As seen in one of the movies (forgot which) a Star Destroyer Turbolaser can vaporize asteroids with a single shot, even assuming that the Turbolasers were at maximum output for such a task (unlikely) that puts the energy output at immense levels, equal to many, many Thermonuclear explosions. Based on this premise a shot or two from a turbolaser would easily have enough output to cause an effect similar to nuclear winter. In an episode of Voyager they came across a (level|class?) 5 photon torpedo device which had erred in it's programming and was destined to a civilized planet, the concern was not planetary destruction but rather continental level damage, which could be taken to be less than, or somewhat equivilant in power to the Star Destroyer Turbolaser. since at the time of construction class 5 was the strongest photon torpedo and during voyager class 6 was considered still somewhat new and class 5 was still considered to be useful in combat.

Given the high rate of fire of an Imperial Star Destoyer Turbolaser it can safely be assumed that the Turbolaser banks on an Imperial Star Destroyer would be capable of a bombardment with energy levels approximating dozens to hundreds of photon torpedoes per minute, or even more.

Based on all of this It is my estimation that the fight would be somewhat like a Yogo vs. a Freight Train.

Ai Yi Yi !

[John W. Lindh]

A Star Destroyer wouldn't stand a chance against an inverted tachyon beam. It takes a death star to destroy a planet but the Enterprise can use the main deflector to rip apart the damn event horizon and fold subspace into an origami crane!!! Well, at least Picard's Enterprise could. Kirk would beam on the bridge of the Star Destroyer (SDs can't even beam, how ridiculous is that???) and challenge its commander to a fight to the death with long sticks with sharp strangely formed blades. And after beating him (and for some reason not killing him) he would make out with the crew of the Star Destroyer which for some reason are all females in their early to mid twenties.

That Archer guy would probably beg for mercy but since the Empire doesn't show mercy with pathetic losers, he'd get his ass kicked (so would Janeway, because bitching may work against the Borg but the Empire has a strict shoot first policy).

[CRLocky]

The enterprise has fucking shields people, come on, the SD wouldnt stand a chance

Are you kidding me? Star Destroyers have shields too. I'm not sure about Enterprise, but Star Destroyer shields recharge as well. And lets just say this Star Destroyer is a Super Star Destroyer, that means the enterprise is battling a ship roughly five miles long, with hundreds of Heavy Turbolasers, Concussion missiles and Ion Cannons and not to mention the massive wing of 144 TIE fighters it comes with, that would swarm like a hive of bees. And with Grand Admiral Thrawn in command, the Enterprise would be toast, that guy could take it down with a Lamda class SHUTTLE!

If it's not a Super Star Destroyer, it'd most likely be an Imperial class Star Destroyer, and even that is a stalwart opponent, and it comes with starfighters, and I think those tip the balance in favor of a Star Destroyer.

[SanDiegoKid]

I believe the Emperor would sense any anomalies in space/time bullshit and at the very least, negate it, thereby keeping the battlefield free of any continuum abberations.

If anyone beamed aboard the Star Destroyer, they would lose any insuing firefight, as their "guns" would do no more than maybe turn off the Imperial TVs.

The Borg wouldn't bother assimilating more than a few of the Imperial forces, as they would no doubt catch on that they're all clones and can gain nothing for the collective by abosrbing them all. One will do nicely.

[RACKnRAIL]

qaStaH nuq jay

[ratbag]

in that battle i'd want to be on the Enterprise with Picard and crew if need be the ship can seperate into two for a double attack

[John W. Lindh]

I believe the Emperor would sense any anomalies in space/time bullshit and at the very least, negate it, thereby keeping the battlefield free of any continuum abberations.
Who cares about the emperor. Captain Kirk can have telekinetic powers whenever he wants to (episode 3.10 Plato's Stepchildren) and outrun the ray of phasor pistol (episode 3.11 Wink of an Eye) - all it takes is one of Bones' wonder shots. The emperor and all the sith lords in that far, far away galaxy would get their asses kicked. And don't forget that Star Trek people can travel through time.


If anyone beamed aboard the Star Destroyer, they would lose any insuing firefight, as their "guns" would do no more than maybe turn off the Imperial TVs.
Yeah, like in Star Wars episode IV were the rebels run up and down the Empire's biggest and best ship, the death star, without even receiving a scratch from those dumb storm troopers. The Empire's laser pistols suck big time and Storm Troopers can't aim. Your average star trek landing party could take on a Star Destroyer on its own.

[moneoa]

Who cares about the emperor. Captain Kirk can have telekinetic powers whenever he wants to (episode 3.10 Plato's Stepchildren) and outrun the ray of phasor pistol (episode 3.11 Wink of an Eye) - all it takes is one of Bones' wonder shots. The emperor and all the sith lords in that far, far away galaxy would get their asses kicked. And don't forget that Star Trek people can travel through time.


Yeah, like in Star Wars episode IV were the rebels run up and down the Empire's biggest and best ship, the death star, without even receiving a scratch from those dumb storm troopers. The Empire's laser pistols suck big time and Storm Troopers can't aim. Your average star trek landing party could take on a Star Destroyer on its own.
Ohhh thems fighting words...shit I wonder who would win a battle of the minds? Kirk with boneses tripped out shots or the emperor with his freaky life force manipulation

Can you get chewie with kung foo grip action?

[Cunning Linguist]

A Borg Cube could take on almost anything, Voyager is far less powerful then The Enterprise, yet Voyager took down a Borg Cube. So, if Borge Cube > StarShip Destroyer and Voyager > Borge cube and Enterprise > Voyager, then Enterprise > Starship Destoyer

[SanDiegoKid]

Yeah, like in Star Wars episode IV were the rebels run up and down the Empire's biggest and best ship, the death star, without even receiving a scratch from those dumb storm troopers.

The old "Stormtroopers can't shoot" myth, eh.

They were allowed to escape.

"You're sure the homing beacon is secure aboard their ship?" - Tarken

"They let us go." - Leiah

When the Empire busted in on the Hoth party, they weren't taking any crap. Of course they didn't actually SHOW scores of rebels being smoked, but they're just not those kinds of movies.

[John W. Lindh]

They were allowed to escape.

"You're sure the homing beacon is secure aboard their ship?" - Tarken

C'mon, everytime the rebels gain a small victory, the Emperor and his minions try to make it look as if it had been their plan all along. - And everytime they lose big time in the end.

Like the thing in episode VI, the rebels come with all their ships to destroy the death star and one shuttle is able to land on Endor to deactivate the death star's shield. All the emperor has to say is that it was his plan all along. I mean, how f'in' stupid is that????

And the storm troopers on Endor that are guarding the shield generators for the death star and thus the life of their emperor are overcome by a bunch of teddy bears!

How could people like that ever stand a chance against the Enterprise, let alone a single Star Destroyer. - Everyone who's ever played X-Wing or Tie-Fighter knows they are just flying trash cans.

[SanDiegoKid]

I will submit that RotJ had some retarded moments, and Ewoks just plain sucked.
I'm not interested in the emperor's grand schemes.

They were allowed to escape the Death Star by Grand Moff Tarken.

I will also point out that Stormtroopers wasted everyone on the Tantive IV; further proof they CAN shoot straight.

Isn't there some rule that Star Trek people can't beam aboard another ship when its shields are up?

[John W. Lindh]

Isn't there some rule that Star Trek people can't beam aboard another ship when its shields are up?
There is not a single rule in the Star Trek universe that the Star Trek people wouldn't violate continously :), - well maybe except for that stupid prime directive.

[moneoa]

There is not a single rule in the Star Trek universe that the Star Trek people wouldn't violate continously :), - well maybe except for that stupid prime directive.
lol so true, they break them when its convenient for the story

Those are some good physics

[muffenme]

:fire

I just remember one of the ships in Voyager that they could destroy ships 200 times there side and these could easy destroy a large planet with a single shot. I think Species 8472 could easy take out any amount of SD.

:hole

[moneoa]

ok kids, you tell me NOW who the hell would win this fight

Name/Model#
Imperial-1 Class Star Destroyer
Designer/Manufacturer
Kuat Drive Yards
Combat Designation
Capital Starship
Length
1600 meters
Crew
37,085 (4,520 officers; 32,565 enlisted)
Power System
SFS I-a2b solar ionization reactor
Weapons
60 Taim & Bak XX-9 Heavy Turbolasers (computer assisted targeting)
60 Borstel NK-7 Ion Cannons (computer assisted targeting)
10 Phylon Q7 Tractor Beam Projectors
Starfighter Squadrons (standard)
Three TIE Starfighter squadrons
Two TIE Interceptor squadrons
One TIE Bomber squadron
Planetary Assault Troops
Full Standard Stormtrooper division
12 Landing Barges
20 AT-AT Walkers
30 AT-ST Walkers
Other Onboard Craft
Eight Lambda-class Imperial Shuttles
15 Stormtrooper Transports
5 Assault Gunboats

A Star Destroyer is a huge, triangular-shaped warship at the forefront of the Imperial Navy, the Star Destroyer was actually first designed and developed during the last years of the Old Republic. There are four main classes of Star Destroyer: the original Victory-class ships, developed by Rendili StarDrive for the Old Republic; their successor, the Imperial-I and Imperial-II class ships, developed by Kuat Drive Yards for the Empire; the huge Super-I class and Super-II class command ships; and the largest class, the Eclipse-class Star Destroyers. Like all capital ships, they were given names based on phrases and adjectives which described their strength and capabilities, such as Devastator and Agonizer. Luke Skywalker believed that Emperor Palpatine chose names which would also serve as a subconscious reminder to their crews that the ships were essentially the methods by which he corrupted people's souls.

"Enterprise E"
Class: Sovereign
Category: Light Explorer
Spaceframe: Hybridized; separable and reconnectable saucer
Length: 685.3m (docked)
327.4m (saucer only)
456.0m (stardrive only)
Width: 250.6m (docked)
250.6m (saucer only)
218.5m (stardrive only)
Height: 88.2m (docked)
51.6m (saucer only)
88.2m (stardrive only)
Mass: 3,250,000 metric tons
Decks: 24 (docked)
14 (saucer only)
17 (stardrive only)
Production Base: San Francisco Yards, Earth
Accommodation: Standard 750 (92 officers + 658 crew); 110 visiting personnel; 4,000 emergency limit
Duration: 15 years without refit; 80 years spaceframe life

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PROPULSION
Warp Power Plant: One 1500+ cochrane matter/antimatter warp core (docked and stardrive only)
None (saucer only)
Warp Engines: Two LF-44 nacelles (docked and stardrive only)
None (saucer only)
Warp Performance: Standard Warp 9.9; Warp 9.95 for 12 hours emergency (docked and stardrive only)
N/A (saucer only)
Impulse Power Plant: Independent fusion reactors
Impulse Engines: Two FIG-5 subatomic unified energy impulse units, two FIG-7 subatomic unified energy impulse units (docked)
Two FIG-5 subatomic unified energy impulse units (saucer only)
Two FIG-7 subatomic unified energy impulse units (stardrive only)
Impulse Performance: .25c normal; .98c emergency
Deuterium Tankage: Two 25,000 m2 tanks, eighteen auxiliary tanks (docked)
Eighteen auxiliary tanks (saucer only)
Two 25,000 m2 tanks (stardrive only)
Antimatter Containment: Twenty two pods (docked)
Two pods (saucer only)
Twenty pods (stardrive only)
Auxiliary Propulsion: Eight reaction control system thrusters (docked)
Four reaction control system thrusters (saucer only)
Four reaction control system thrusters (stardrive only)
Secondary Power: One 10MW+ fusion reactor
Emergency Deuterium Supplies: Two Bussard hydrogen collectors (docked and stardrive only)
None (saucer only)
Emergency Antimatter Supplies: One quantum charge reversal device (docked and stardrive only)
None (saucer only)
Navigational Deflection: One primary deflector, six auxiliary emitters (docked)
Six auxiliary emitters (saucer only)
One primary deflector (stardrive only)

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TACTICAL
Phasers: Eighteen type XII phaser arrays (docked)
Eleven type XII linear phaser arrays (saucer only)
Seven type XII linear phaser arrays (stardrive only)
Phaser Force Rating: 7.2 MW per emitter segment
Torpedo Launchers: Three forward Mk 95 launchers, three aft Mk95 launchers (docked)
One forward Mk 95 launcher, two aft Mk 95 launchers (saucer only)
Two forward Mk 95 launchers, one aft Mk 95 launcher (stardrive only)
Photon Torpedo Supplies: One hundred fifty warheads with range of 4,050,000km
Photon Torpedo Force: 18.9 isotons
Quantum Torpedo Supplies: One hundred warheads with range of 4,075,000km
Quantum Torpedo Force: 58.7 isotons
Shield Generators: Seven generators (docked)
Four generators (saucer only)
Three generators (stardrive only)
Shield Force Rating: 489,000 MW
Additional Systems: Three sensor drone launchers; saucer separation system
Auto-Destruct: Two systems capable of maximum release of 1013 megajoules

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SCIENCE
Sensor systems: 74 sensor pallets consisting of:

EM scanners
Graviton scanners
Lifeform analysis scanners
Subspace scanners
Optical imagers
Thermal sensors
Long-range sensors

Typical Probe Complement: Twelve each of class I-VII; types VIII, VIIIA, IX, and IXA manufactured as needed
Probe Launching System: Three forward Mk 95 launchers, two aft Mk95 launchers (docked)
One forward Mk 95 launcher (saucer only)
Two forward Mk 95 launchers, two aft Mk 95 launchers (stardrive only)
Computer Cores: Two cores (docked)
One core (saucer only and stardrive only)
Core Storage Capacity: 1.30983 x 1010 kiloquads of memory and capable of processing 10,070,950 kiloquads/sec
Operating System: LCARS Mark VII
Data Network: ODN Mark 19Q; bioneural net supplements
Laboratory Departments: Stellar Cartography
Geology
Biology
Cultural Analysis
Cybernetics
Planetary Science


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TRANSPORTATION
Personnel Transporters: Four rooms (docked)
Two rooms (saucer only and stardrive only)
Cargo Transporters: Three pads (docked)
Two pads (saucer only)
One pad (stardrive only)
Emergency Transporters: Four rooms (docked)
Two rooms (saucer only and stardrive only)
Emitter Array: Twelve emitters (docked)
Eight emitters (saucer only)
Four emitters (stardrive only)
Emitter Range: 45,000km
Cargo Bays: Two main cargo complexes with five bays each (docked)
One main cargo complex with five bays (saucer only and stardrive only)
Cargo Complement: 225,000 metric tons (approximate)
Shuttlebays: One primary launch facility, one secondary launch facility (docked)
One primary launch facility (saucer only)
One secondary launch facility (stardrive only)
Shuttlepods: Six travel pods
Shuttlecraft: Ten type 6 shuttles; five type 11 shuttles; five special-purpose shuttles
Utility Craft: Ten work bees
Auxiliary Vehicle: One Sovereign type captain's yacht, one Argo type planetary excursion shuttle (docked and saucer only)
None (stardrive only)
Escape Pods: One hundred ninety five escape pods
Tractor Beams: Two main emitters, one auxiliary emitter (docked)
One auxiliary emitter (saucer only)
Two main emitters (stardrive only)

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CREW SUPPORT
Environment: Class M standard; capable of conversion to class H, K, L
Gravity Generation: Three hundred generators (docked)
Two hundred generators (saucer only)
One hundred generators (stardrive only)
Waste Management: Two environmental recycling and support complexes
Medical Systems: Two sickbay wards, six attached labs, and one operating suite (docked)
One sickbay ward, six attached labs, and one operating suite (saucer only)
One sickbay ward (stardrive only)
Crew Quarters: 65 square meters for each individual up to 1,000 persons
Food Supply: Matter replication system
Intership Transportation: Advanced turbolift system
Holodecks: Two main rooms, seven smaller simulators (docked)
Two main rooms, five smaller simulators (saucer only)
Two smaller simulators (stardrive only)

As you can see the enterprise would be a piece of scrap shit in space if against one of these ships and thats JUST a SD not the SUPER SD's

[moneoa]

I want one of you to try to tell me now the Enterprise would make mincemeat out of that beast, the enterprise could fit in its docking bay for christs sakes

[SanDiegoKid]

Well I'm sure the Enterprise's crew could... umm... change some kind of phase variance frequency or something.

You know.. whatever. Maybe go back in time and scoop up some whales.

[Mels_Smileys45]

Oh come on now. 1 little x wing destroyed the Death Star by firing into some kind of flawed hole or something that caused the whole thing to blow up. Its clear these evil idiots are hiring some shitty people to build these things for them. Hell a shuttle craft could take out a Star Destroyer.

[John W. Lindh]

Even if the SD is larger, the Enterprise is simply technically far more advanced than an SD. The SD's main defense are its Tie Fighter, Interceptors, Bombers whatever, and all of them put together are no match against the Enterprise with its shields and the ability to jump to warp speed whenever it wants.

[SanDiegoKid]

Oh, so the Enterprise wins because it can leave in a hurry?

If the Enterprise were swarmed with TIEs of all types, that's the only thing it could do.

[John W. Lindh]

C'mon Tie Fighter's don't even have shields. It'd pick them off one by one using its phasors.

[SanDiegoKid]

The first several, but it's phaser banks (I heard that in an episdoe once I think) couldn't keep up.

While they're busy trying to swat all the flies, Dark Troopers are burning through the hull, about to lay some hurt on the life support systems.

[shawners]

Can the Millennium Falcon enter the discussion table. . First of all, you got Jedi mind tricks. Secondly, Laya is good with a laser gun. You got a hairy beast who could turn you inside out. Han Solo is one of the best pilots.. and has the sarcasm to back it up.

[SanDiegoKid]

We can assume it is hiding in the garbage and if it chooses to, enter the fray.

[muffenme]

:fire

Here the real facts and this is a Star Destroyer Vs a Galaxy Class Starship

Galaxy Class Starship:
Affiliation: United Federation of Planets
Length: 641 meters
Crew: 1012
Passengers: 6000 (Emergency Scenarios for 15000)

Weapons:
12 Type X Phasers Capable of 5.1 megawatts of energy discharge. Phaser Range: 300,000 kilometers.
3 Photon Torpedo/Prode launchers with 275 torpedos (Standard Load) Effective Torpedo Range: 3,500,000 kilometers.
21 Tractor Beam Emitters (14 mooring emitters, 3 Shuttle Bay emitters, 4 main emitters)

Auxillary Craft:
3 Starfleet Danube-Class Runabouts (Carries 5-6 Crew.)
25 Shuttle Craft & 12 Shuttle Pods (Shuttles can carry 6-8 people, Pods can only carry 2.)
400 Lifeboats. ( Each carrying 4 people.)

Note: Galaxy Class Starships have the ability to seperate into 2 sections for combat and defense.

Speed Statistics:
Capable of Sublight Impulse Drive speeds of up to .99c
Crusing Speed of Warp 9.2 until fuel exhaustion
Maximum Warp Speed of 9.6 for 12 hours

My rating on systems:
Speed: 8
Weapons: 7
Defenses: 9
Manueverability: High

Imperial-I Class Star Destroyer:
Affiliation: The Galactic Empire
Length: 1600 meters
Crew: 37,085
Passengers: Few

Weapons:
60 Turbolaser Batteries
60 Ion Cannons (Targeting assisted by computer)
10 Tractor Beam Projectors.

Auxillary Craft: (typically)
72 Sienar Fleet Systems Tie Spacecraft (36 Tie Fighters, 24 Tie Interceptors, 12 Tie Bombers)
12 Landing Barges (used as dropships for 20 AT-ATs and 30 AT-STs also carried onboard the Star Destroyer.)
15 Delta Class Dx-9 Stormtrooper transports
8 Cygnus Spaceworks/Sienar Fleet Systems Lambda T-4a Class Imperial Shuttles
5 Cygnus Spaceworks Alpha Class XG-1 Star Wing Assault Gunboats

Speed Statistics:
Class 2 Hyperdrive
12+ KPS sublight speed
(Note: I have noticed in X-Wing Alliance an Imperial-II class doing up to 94 KPS which is more consistant to them being able to keep up with the Millennium Falcon in the movies.)

My Rating on systems:
Speed: 30
Weapons: 8
Defenses: 6
Manueverability: Very Low

A Galaxy-Class Starship could almost literaly fly rings around a Star Destroyer. A Galaxy-Class starship has greater and more efficient weapons range and could stay well out of Star Destroyer's targetting range, while hitting the Star Destroyer with the maximum output of it's phasers, and not missing due to better targetting systems.

The Star Destroyer has the better weapons. I imagine Turbolasers to be on-par with Romulan Disruptors on a D'Deridex-Class Warbird. However, the Galaxy-Class Starship has the better shields and could withstand more shots from the Star Destroyer than the Star Destroyer could withstand shots from the Galaxy-Class Starship, though the Galaxy-Class Starship would eventually take quite a pounding from the Star Destroyer if it went into the Star Destroyer's weapons range.

The Galaxy-Class Starship has the better shields. A Star Destroyer has virtually non-existant shields. All a Galaxy-Class Starship would need to do is target the shield towers on the Star Destroyer (if a couple of A-Wings could take out the shield towers with Concussion Missiles on a Super Stardestroyer, I'm sure a Type 10 Phaser strike could knock the shield towers out as well.) then all the Galaxy-Class Starship would need to do to incapacitate the Star Destroyer long enough for the Galaxt-Class starship to take it out is target the Star Destroyer's bridge and destroy it. (If a single A-Wing crashing into a Super Star Destroyer's bridge (while it's shields were down) could cause it to lose all flight control and get caught in the Death Star's artificial gravity well and crash before the Super Star Destroyer's auxillary crew could get to the secondary bridge and re-gain flight control, then I'm sure taking out the Star Destroyer's bridge with a Type-10 Phaser strike would do the job in incapacitating the Star Destroyer long enough to heavily damage the ship further.)

Although, Federation Captains would never attempt to do something like killing a bridge crew of an enemy vessel. They would attempt to knock out the weapons systems of an enemy vessel first. Then they would hail the enemy ship and ask them to surrender and discuss the situation peacefully. Unless they were at war with the enemy ship's race, then the Federation would ask them to surrender.

Although, let's get back on track. A Star Destroyer has virtually no-shields anyway. I have never seen Star Wars shields really do any good against another ships weapons fire. Just watch A New Hope or Return of the Jedi during the Death Star battles as Tie Fighters fire a few shots and destroy an X-Wing or Y-Wing. They all had shields! I know in A New Hope all the ships in the Trench making the final run on the exhaust port had all their shields projected forward (something Star Wars shields are capable of) and that is why Darth Vader was able to take them out so easily, but the Starfighters flying around on the surface weren't and they got picked off just as easily.

I would say that the Shields in Star Wars are more like an energy weapon-protecting layor of armor plating than actual shields, which would explain why weapons shots always seem to practicaly ignore them.

Star Wars shields come in two types: Energy (which protects them from Radiation and Enemy Weapon's fire) and Particle (which protects them from micro-particles, debris, and ships hitting thier hull). Star Trek shields are way more advanced as they act like both (though I would categorize the Navigation Deflector shields on Star Trek ships as being Particle shields only.) Star Wars shields have the advantage of recharging constantly (as anyone who has played the X-Wing PC Flight Simulator video games knows) which would put Star Wars shields into the catogory of also being Regenerative type shields. Something that only the Borg and the Starship Prometheus have in common in Star Trek. However, since I have concluded that Star Wars shields suck, this doesn't really make any difference.

What the Star Destroyer does have that is actually useful in defense against weapons fire, is Armor plating. I would imagine that this armor plating is somewhat like Star Trek's Ablative armor used on the Defiant but not as efficient. I don't think this armor plating would be useful against Phaser fire, as Star Wars Lasers and Turbolasers seem more like the Disruptor type weapons found in Star Trek. I DO think that this hull plating would be very useful in defense against Klingon and Romulan Ships that use disruptors. (However, Klingon and Romulan ships are also equipped with Phasers too. If you watch Deep Space Nine, you'll see that Klingon ships are using Red phasers when trying to take the Station in Way of the Warrior and that Romulan ships use Green Phasers in all Deep Space Nine episodes. Romulan ships mainly use Disruptors in episodes of The Next Generation which look suspiciously like the Green Turbolasers fired from a Star Destroyer.) I think a Star Destroyer would fare much better than a Galaxy-Class Starship would when shields were down because of the extra armor plating a Star Destroyer has. This would benefit the Star Destroyer if it were fighting in a Nebula. As we all know, the shields on a Constitution and Miranda-Class starship were not able to operate in a Nebula in Star Trek II. Though I think they have solved this by Picard's time, as shields seemed to still be defending them from random Borg weapon shots that hit them when they were hiding in the Nebula in The Best of Both Worlds. But I'm just trying to make a point that if shields were not a factor in this battle between the Galaxy-Class Starship and Star Destroyer battle, that the Star Destroyer would have a much easier time taking on the Galaxy-Class Starship as it would still have better armor plating. However, you need to remember that the Galaxy-Class Starship still has the advantage of being able to stay well out of weapons range of the Star Destroyer and fire it weapons back.

Okay, now that I have explained that I think the Galaxy-Class starship has better shields, better manueverability, and greater weapons range and targetting, and that the Star Destroyer has more powerful weapons and better armor plating, let's move on to examining the Engine systems of both.

The Galaxy-Class Starship has an Impulse drive and RCS Thruster system which makes the ship very fast and maneuverable at sub-light speeds (Meaning it could fly around and turn really fast at any speed on up to warp 1.) Just watch any Deep Space Nine episode during the Dominion War that has Galaxy-Class Starship and watch them fly around and turn this way and that, blowing up weapons platforms and Dominion ships and stuff. How come they never moved like this on The Next Generation? Better special effects budget I guess.

Star Destroyers have Ion Drives that aren't really as fast as Impulse but they were fast enough to keep up with the Millennium Falcon (which also has an Ion Drive) at the Battle of Hoth, but they cannot turn very fast at sub-light speeds when compared to the Galaxy-Class Starship. Just watch The Empire Strikes Back when they are chasing the Millennium Falcon and two try to cut them off, and those two Star Destroyers side swipe each other. What does this say about the Empire's attention span? Hey, if I was heading towards another Star Destroyer at that high speed, I would turn way before I got near enough to sideswipe the other one.

While an Ion Drive may be fast, I would say that Impulse can go faster. An Impulse drive can take you from dead stop all the way to .99 Light Speed, where as an Ion Drive can basically take you from dead stop to what I figure to be half or .50 Light speed. (This isn't compared to the scale of a Class 0.5 Hyperdrive or "Point 5 Beyond Light Speed" which is what I'll get into when explaining the Faster than Light Engines next.) But, FULL Impulse is considered to be about .75 light speed, even though it IS capable of going all the way to near Warp 1. I would say though, that in comparasion of the two, it's kind of like racing a Shelby Mustang (Ion Drive) against a Formula 1 racing car (Impulse.) Both are fast, but the Formula 1 racing car is gonna win.

So at Sub-light speeds, a Galaxy-Class Starship like the Enterprise-D is gonna outrun a Star Destroyer and fly rings around it, but when we get into Faster than Light Propulsion, well.. the Enterprise-D doesn't stand a friggen chance of out-running a Star Destroyer.

For more about the different forms of faster-than-light propulsion used in these movies, check out Hyperdrive vs. Warp Drive.

To continue this discussion on the Galaxy-Class Starship vs. Imperial-I Class Star Destroyer, read on and let's examine the two of the most elite ships of both class of vessels. The Star Destroyer Avenger vs. The Enterprise-D

source: http://www.billmansworld.com/TrekVsWars/swgalstd.html

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[muffenme]

:fire

How about a Death Star vs a Borg Cube

Borg Cube:

Highly decentralized design. No specific bridge, engineering or living areas. Controlling the cube is believed to be tasked and determined by the Vinculum, which in turn recieves direct orders from the Queen of the collective.

Affiliation: The Borg Collective
Length: 3000 Meters
Height: 3000 Meters
Width: 3000 Meters
Crew: 64,000 Drones

Weapons Systems:
Unknown types of "Smart" weapons that can analyze an opponent's weaponry and defenses and adapt within seconds. Some type of cutting beam weapon related to phasers used in conjunction with tractor beams to hold ships and cut them up. Torpedo type weapons have also been observed being in use. According to the game Starfleet Command III these weapons are called Gravimetric Torpedos.
Shielding systems are capable of analyzing an opponent's weaponry and configuring the shields to absorb the weapon systems discharge of virtually all known Federation weapon types, except the Defiant-Class Pulse Phaser. The Borg Cube is capable of repairing major damage almost immediately, including direct phaser hit impacts. However, these shields have little to no effect when blocking Federation transporters and can even be penetrated by small craft.

Support Craft:
Capable of carrying a Borg Sphere. Possibly more than one. A large internal docking bay exists inside the cube.

Speed Statistics:
Impulse Drive capable of any speed up to .99c
Cruising Warp: 9.9 Maximum Warp: Unknown
Transwarp Drive: Able to travel at least 7 times faster than conventional warp drive
Able to access conduits that can take the cube to 6 different transwarp hubs distributed mainly throughout the Delta Qaudrant, enabling the cube to travel from there to virtually any point in the galaxy in a matter of a few hours.

My rating on Borg Cube systems:
Faster-than-light-speed: 8 (Though, with the use of Borg Transwarp conduits, this rating could be infinite)
Sub-light Speed: 8
Weapons: 24
Defenses: 24
Manueverability: Moderate

My rating on Borg Tactical Cube systems:
Faster-than-light-speed: 7 (Though, with the use of Borg Transwarp conduits, this rating could be infinite)
Sub-light speed: 7
Weapons: 28
Defenses: 28
Manueverability: Moderate



Death Star Deep-space mobile battle station:

Diameter: 120,000 meters. (120 kilometers equivalent to a Class IV moon)
(Note: Death Star II was slightly larger at 160 kilometers in Diameter)

Interior:
84 Levels comprised of 357 sub-levels
Each Level is 1,428 meters thick
Each Sub-level is 4 meters thick
Eqautorial Trench 376 kilometers in length. ( Docking Bays, Launch Bays, Ion Engines and Tractor Beams line this canyon. )
A series of exhaust port trenches line the top and bottom of the Death Stars at the poles. When viewed from above or below, these trenches create a six point asterisk. The trenchs are seperated from each other by a few kilometers but all point towards the central throne tower. The forward trench that runs directly straight "down" from the Throne tower towards the superlaser is the trench that the rebels used to destroy the first Death Star. After this design flaw was discovered, Death Star II's exhaust ports were dispersed into a series of millimeter wide ducts spread out over the station, thus elminating this vulnerability.

Crew:
27,048 Officers
378,685 Support and Maintenance Personnel
25,000 Stormtroopers
400,000 Droids

Weapon systems:
Planet Destroying Superlaser (Range: 47,060,000 Kilometers)
Time needed to charge superlaser to destroy a planet: 1 day
Time needed to charge superlaser to destroy a ship: 1 minute
(Note: Only Death Star II's superlaser had the ability to target ships)

Surface Weapons:
5,000 Turbolasers
5,000 Heavy Turbolasers
2,500 Laser Cannons
2,500 Ion Cannons
768 Tractor Beam Emplacements

Support Craft:
7,000 Sienar Fleet Systems TIE Spacecraft
4 Strike Cruisers ( Probably Lorinar Strike Cruisers )
20,000 Military and Transport Vessels
11,000 Combat Vehicles

Speed Statistics:
Maximum Speed 1.2c (it is unknown as to weather c stands for the speed of light, or parsec distance or something else. If this is the Hyperdrive rating, on a Hyperdrive scale 1.2 is actually pretty damn fast. An X-Wing is 1.0 and the Millennium Falcon is 0.5)

My rating on Death Star systems:
Faster-than-light-speed: 20
Sub-light speed: Almost Nonexistant (Can turn and move..slowly)
Weapons: Well, a lot..
Defenses: A lot Right?
Manueverability: Almost Nonexistant (Can move..slowly)



Okay, bear with me. One on One, The Death Star has it. But if there is two or more cubes fighting the Death Star, the Death star is majorly screwed. Example: The Death Star upon detecting a Borg Cube and having charged its weapons to full power the day before, fires a concetrated blast on the borg ship thus effectively destroying it. However, another cube appears and the Death Star needs to charge it's super-laser weapon for a minute, barely having enough time to fire before the cube starts attacking. It fires and to the Death Star's surprise, the shot does not damage the cube. It has adapted to the laser. It will now have to charge for 2 minutes to change the power setting. Assuming the borg adapt to power settings (makes sense) as well as the frequency settings of the superlaser (which is unchangeable due to no reason to have different frequency setting on weapons in the Star Wars universe) they would be able to deflect the laser no matter what power setting it was on. Then the Borg adapting its defenses to the super-laser, would then assimilate the Death Star and all of its occupants and technology into the collective.

I've been reminded of some stuff recently on Species 8472's weapons being able to go through Borg Shields. Well, we all know that, however some interesting questions were brought up. "Didn't 10 Species 8472 Ships combine and blow up a planet like the Death Star? And don't their weapons go through borg ships? So wouldn't the Death Star's weapons like overload the Borg's shields and cause thier generators to explode just like the Species 8472's ships?"

Well, yeah; on the first cube. But any others, I don't think so. Because the Death Star is firing at one frequency for their laser. Species 8472's weapons were mostly bio-technologic weapons operating at numerous freqeuncies all at once and a unique and unknown (to the borg) power type so the Borg weren't able to adapt (Yet. Given enough time, the Borg probably would have found a way to adapt to Species 8472's weapons eventually. However, they didn't HAVE enough time, cause by then the Collective would have all been exterminated by Species 8472. Although, Species 8472 would have adapted to their countermeasures and found a way to get through the Borg's shields again (like they did with the nanoprobes) It would have resulted in an endless cycle, so Species 8472 would have won either way, regardless of the nanoprobe weapons Voyager made or not, if they hadn't realized that all Species in our Galaxy weren't ruthless like the Borg, and left the rest of us in peace.)

Anyway, getting back to this, The Death Star's weapon would be easy to anaylize and adapt to for the Borg. It's manmade technology. Species 8472's weapons are bio-technology, being sort of living weapons and ships. Thier weapons energy output is probably too dense for them to have adapted to also, kind of like how Species 8472's genetic structure was so dense they could'nt be assimilated. (Species 8472's cells would look for the nanoprobes and destroy them. However the Doctor came up with a way to mask the Nanoprobes so the Probes could assilimate 8472 cells, and that's how they made those weapons that sent 8472 running off into thier fluidic space. However, months later 8472 returned claiming they had already counter-acted the nanoprobe weapons, but they weren't as bad of guys as Starfleet thought, so a Peace Treaty was made between the Federation and Species 8472 (what the heck are thier REAL names anyway? They never told us!) Only, starfleet won't know of the treaty til Voyager gets back, or tells them through their daily 11 minute commincations. Wonder if they have.)

Source: http://www.billmansworld.com/TrekVsWars/swborgdstr.html

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[moneoa]

wow we are doing brilliant jobs looking like nerds, posting technical data for shit thats not even real LMAO

[muffenme]

wow we are doing brilliant jobs looking like nerds, posting technical data for shit thats not even real LMAO

:fire

I know but it fun to do.

:hole

[SanDiegoKid]

Dear God what have I started?

It's easy to take down Borg... lure them in by allowing them to believe they are going to assimilate Bittorrent technology. Use the 'ol bait and switch and giv 'em Kazaa (rename it of course). Use the bundled spyware to bring them down. Watch as the Borg are assulted by pop up ads and system slowdowns.

Anyway... I can actually see the smaller, but more maneuverable Enterprise sort of flying around the Star Destroyer shooting those lame looking phasers, blasting a couple proron torpedoes into the huge shield generators on the rear.

I don't like it... but I can see it happening. The onlty thing I can think of to counter this is again, the swarm of smaller ships keeping the Enterprise busy. I don't know too much tech about the Enterprise, but aren't they limited to a couple or few phaser banks? How could they possibly keep up with attacking both the Star Destoyer at close range, and defending against squadrons of TIEs? Add the Star Destroyer's own offensive weapons, and I don't think it's so cut and dry.

[Mels_Smileys45]

It is real! I just know it!


Anyone ever seen Galaxy Quest? Funny shit

[YWD67]

Ok time to come back to reality nerds. SEX!!!!!!!!!

[Siskabush]

The star destroyer of course. Those things are huge.

Just fire some space torpedoes (or whatever the hell they use) and some lasers and the enterprise will be spacedust.

[muffenme]

Ok time to come back to reality nerds. SEX!!!!!!!!!


:fire

Where?

Of all the races in both Star Trek and Star Wars I think is the most powerful:

1. Q
2. 8472
3. The Borg
4. This could be close between the Klingons, The Romulans, Breen, etc.

The only one I know would win 100% is Q, but they have no ship so should we count them. After that then it up to the race that wants to be #1.

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[CRLocky]

:fire

Where?

Of all the races in both Star Trek and Star Wars I think is the most powerful:

1. Q
2. 8472
3. The Borg
4. This could be close between the Klingons, The Romulans, Breen, etc.

The only one I know would win 100% is Q, but they have no ship so should we count them. After that then it up to the race that wants to be #1.

:hole


Where are the Star Wars races?? The Chiss should be on there. and HUMANS! were in both of these Universes

[mojo-ris-in]

You guys really need to get laid :bling

[jimmythekid]

if commander Adama and the Galactica, teamed up with commander Cain and the Pegasus, they would kill the Enterprise cus they had a bunch of Vipers to knock it out with.

you did say it was ok to include them didnt you??

i just read this entire post, and im feeling a little funny.

they should make a movie.....

I LOVE HOCKEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! just not this year :)

[jimmythekid]

Dear God what have I started?

It's easy to take down Borg... lure them in by allowing them to believe they are going to assimilate Bittorrent technology. Use the 'ol bait and switch and giv 'em Kazaa (rename it of course). Use the bundled spyware to bring them down. Watch as the Borg are assulted by pop up ads and system slowdowns.



sorry for the double post, but i had to wipe the tears from my eyes and get off the floor, thats some funny shit bro

i think i broke my clavicle

[SanDiegoKid]

You guys really need to get laid :bling

This is actually the kind of crap I think about while I'm getting laid... you know, to last longer.

It's all over when slave Leiah and Wilma Deering start making out in my mind.

[muffenme]

Where are the Star Wars races?? The Chiss should be on there. and HUMANS! were in both of these Universes

:fire

Ok, the reason is that I know of no races in the Star wars line and humans are made the most luckest races in both Star Trek and Star Wars. The human should had there butts kick somany times but luck help them out in both Star Trek and Star Wars that they win which they should lose.

I sure there are powerful races in the Star Wars side but I not sure what they are or what make them powerful. I do admit this list only show races on one side and I shouldn't speak when it comes to which race is the most powerful, except the Q because theycould go to any time and any place, make new world, etc with just by thinking about it. If that not powerful then I just don't know.

Update on what I talk about earlier A Star Destorer can reach a top speed of warp about 9.9965, i could be off by 0.002. Between warp 9.9 and 10 has a large area between it at which 10 is equal to 1/0 which can not be reach using this scale.

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[moneoa]

Dammit it guys, you can't convince me a ship who's size only allows for 1,000 crew and staff can vape a ship thats a few Km LONG with 37,000 crew and staff.

It's a matter of logistics!

As Kleener pointed out too, the SD has a bay full of fast little tie fighters.

[SanDiegoKid]

You never know... those Star Trek crews are fairly inventive. As much as I don't want them to win, they may, you know, "adjust the phase variance" or "detonate a tachyon sub space wave" which may create "a temporal vortex", like they do in every damned episode.

I of course know this, which places me in a particularly gray area, so I can't talk to much smack.

Mommy.

[muffenme]

:fire

I could do it with a run-a-bout and some small robot that are pre programed to seek anything that has any large power flow and break the connecting, some of these robot would seek the main jump drive, or what ever it call, other would focus on the main power and then I would have the ship either destoryed or majorly disabled with it shielding as it is.

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[Slycktom]

The enterprise has fucking shields people, come on, the SD wouldnt stand a chance

SD's have shield generators also. The only advantage starfleet has is transport technology. But they really couldnt use it until the sheilds are down. Besides, the Empire has the Dark Side of the Force on their side.

Also, SD's are like aircraft carriers. Not only does the Enterprise have to take on the SD, they have to take on about 100 tie fighters also...good luck with that one.

[MoonMan]

I think muffenme did an excellent job proving to everyone that the enterprise would kick that star destroyers ass from here to Rura Penthe.

This thread warms my heart.

[J.R. Ewing]

ya'll gotta be kidden me - everybody knows that biggers always better

i reckon that star destroyer run down that fragile eggshell looking enterprize like a semi rolling over an armadillo

[SanDiegoKid]

I think the Star Destroyer would show up for the fight, exitlight speed, and not even notice that they plowed right through the Enterprise, killing every sorry sucker aboard.

After waiting awhile, they'd get bored and go get some Chinese food.

[RACKnRAIL]

Is anyone going to miss Enterprise? You know, capt. Archer and his band of merry men. Personally, I'm glad its over, but I will miss T'pol.

[CRLocky]

Alright, sadly I came to a total consensus from this thread and I got:
Star Destroyer has 10 supporters, Enterprise has 9 supporters.

[Cmdr Ridenour]

Everyone seems to overlook the deciding factor in Empire vs Federation technology!:

1)The Empire employs Turbo LASER cannons on their ships.
2)The Federation employs PHASERs on their ships.

Lasers are far inferior to phasers look it up. Lasers tend to use brute force power to do damage while phasers actually disrupt molecules. Federation shields are virtually invunerable to laser hits while phasers would easily cut through star destroyers, not to mention quantum torpedoes! Remember people lasers inferior, phasers superior!

I will admit that even the Enterprise couldn't take point blank shots from a full turbo laser cannon assault from a star destroyer, but it would easily out manuever it and pick it apart with phasers and torpedoes. Anyone want to refute the laser vs phaser fact? :bom:

[Kevin33134]

Everybody knows a Whitestar would win.

[YWD67]

I hope this one wins and ends this thread for all eternity!
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Class: Special (Type II Dyson Sphere)

Diameter: 200,000,000km or124,274,238 mi.
NOTE: (For a little prospective 124,274,238.4474668 mileS is ruffly the distance from the Sun to Mars)
Composition: Carbon-neutronium outer shell 2500 metres thick (See Footnote 1)
Operational Power Source: Type II G-Star Stellar Engine (In this case it is the star inside the Dyson sphere)
Area: 1.25 x 1017km2
Environment: Class M
Gravity: 1.02G (Artificially generated)
Atmosphere: Oxygen 21%/Nitrogen 78%
Diurnal cycle: 25.6 hours (Artificially generated

(Footnote 1) No known way of blasting through this baby's neutronium shell according to Spock in StarTrek TOS: the Doomsday Machine Episode
Reference material: http://www.coldnorth.com/owen/game/startrek/relic/sphere.htm
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For you pro- Enterprise-E people, the below attachment shows that chicken shit bitch hauling ass away from Dyson.

[VAMPYRE BLADE]

Star Destroyer All The Way, I Love Enterprise But Its Not Up To That Challenge.

[crackerjacker]

I am going to choose the star destroyer because the enterprise cant hold their own, *fact*.
nuff said

[muffenme]

I am a trekkie all the way and size doesn't make the difference on a one on one battle when it come to skills. I know that normally there must be some smart people on a star destroy, just like a galaxy class star ship but there may be more even if the % of smart people is the same.

If I was caption of a galaxy class star ship and knew how it operated then I could come up with a way to destroy a star destoryer. The ideal is that at warp the galaxy class star ship can change direction.

1. I would raise forwards shields while at warp.
2. set the controls so that my ship is upside down compare to the star destoryer.
3. drop out of warp to high impalse and fire phaser and photon torpedeos while shifting the shield to protect my ship.
4. when I get to the back of the ship then bring it back to warp with shield at my rear.

2nd run would see me
1. come up from behind at warp with forward shields up.
2. just before I get to the engine out let on the star destoryer, about 1 to 3 KM away, I fire photon at them.
3. drop out at about 200 meter away at high impulse and fire phaser and photn at the upper tower while shift shield to cover the lower part of my ship.
4. after passing the tower goto warp with shield at rear.

What have I done, I might have taking out the main launch bay on my first past and I taking out shield, weapons, scanner devices, and maybe the engine on the second past. If not then repeat a 2nd time. It simular to the Picard Maneuver but not exactly.

If I would go against a star destoryer I would use either
1. Borg cube. When you need fire power and the ablity to adapt this is the way to go.
2. The Defiant from DS9. Speed with forward pulse phaser and a cloak.
3. Klingon Negh'Var class warship. cloak is the main reason.
4. Romulans Bird of Prey from TNG because of it cloak
5. Klingon Bird of Prey for its cloak

Not in Star Trek, a modify Galaxy class star ship with the following.
The phase cloak from TNG.
Larger warp core.
The shielding from Voyager had when it return from the delta quad
Warp engine for the saucer section with warp coils
6 pulse phaser on the drive section
increase in phaser from 10 to 20 with phaser output increase of 2x on each phaser.
Quatum torpedo or the torpedo that Voyager brough back added to both drive and saucer section
more shield generator.
A detactable fighter ship for the caption
Larger wap coils on drive section.
Borg nano probes to repair ship when damage and way to repeduce them
What I be removing, a lot of crew rooms, some holo deck, science rooms, some cargo bays, and some transporter rooms. The crew rooms would be smaller on this ship.
this ship would be a little bigger then a standard galaxy class but looking like one

[MacGyver]

Well if Kirk, instead of that spineless idiot, Archer, was at the helm, then Enterprise would undoubtedly win, hands down. I hated quantum leap too! Scott Bakula sucks the big galactic banana!!!! t'pol is a much different story though.....she's hot!

haha...this is some funny shit...we should email strongbad on that website homestarrunner.com and see who he thinks would win...hahaha...

(imagine reading this guys post here in strongbad's voice...just thinking of it makes me laugh my ass off..!)

[YWD67]

I am a trekkie all the way and size doesn't make the difference on a one on one battle when it come to skills. I know that normally there must be some smart people on a star destroy, just like a galaxy class star ship but there may be more even if the % of smart people is the same.

If I was caption of a galaxy class star ship and knew how it operated then I could come up with a way to destroy a star destoryer. The ideal is that at warp the galaxy class star ship can change direction.

1. I would raise forwards shields while at warp.
2. set the controls so that my ship is upside down compare to the star destoryer.
3. drop out of warp to high impalse and fire phaser and photon torpedeos while shifting the shield to protect my ship.
4. when I get to the back of the ship then bring it back to warp with shield at my rear.

2nd run would see me
1. come up from behind at warp with forward shields up.
2. just before I get to the engine out let on the star destoryer, about 1 to 3 KM away, I fire photon at them.
3. drop out at about 200 meter away at high impulse and fire phaser and photn at the upper tower while shift shield to cover the lower part of my ship.
4. after passing the tower goto warp with shield at rear.

What have I done, I might have taking out the main launch bay on my first past and I taking out shield, weapons, scanner devices, and maybe the engine on the second past. If not then repeat a 2nd time. It simular to the Picard Maneuver but not exactly.

If I would go against a star destoryer I would use either
1. Borg cube. When you need fire power and the ablity to adapt this is the way to go.
2. The Defiant from DS9. Speed with forward pulse phaser and a cloak.
3. Klingon Negh'Var class warship. cloak is the main reason.
4. Romulans Bird of Prey from TNG because of it cloak
5. Klingon Bird of Prey for its cloak

Not in Star Trek, a modify Galaxy class star ship with the following.
The phase cloak from TNG.
Larger warp core.
The shielding from Voyager had when it return from the delta quad
Warp engine for the saucer section with warp coils
6 pulse phaser on the drive section
increase in phaser from 10 to 20 with phaser output increase of 2x on each phaser.
Quatum torpedo or the torpedo that Voyager brough back added to both drive and saucer section
more shield generator.
A detactable fighter ship for the caption
Larger wap coils on drive section.
Borg nano probes to repair ship when damage and way to repeduce them
What I be removing, a lot of crew rooms, some holo deck, science rooms, some cargo bays, and some transporter rooms. The crew rooms would be smaller on this ship.
this ship would be a little bigger then a standard galaxy class but looking like one


Man,and I was afraid that my Dyson Shere post was going to come off a bit geeky, but yours?
" WOW "!!!
I think someone has spent way,way,way to much time in a Star Trek RPG chat room.
I bet you have a Star Fleet uniform at home like this, don't you?

[Cmdr Ridenour]

to read my previous post, it settles this argument once and for all. Deal with it!! :icon_thum

[Frankie Ann]

come on guys you trekkies you keep bringing in the borg and a crap load of what ifs and crap to aid the enterprise but come on. Do you guys honestly believe that in war time the SD run by them selves really in the clone wars there were entire fleets of them the star wars galixy is filled with them. I mean did any one take in to acount how many of them there are out there, thousands of them, how many federation ships are there, hundred mabe. besides talking about sheilds one time i saw the enterprise got hit by a dirt clod, all the consoles on the bridge overloaded and crewmen #4 seat exploded. and i'm guessing that the enterprise would get caught in the SD tractor beam. oh and my final point how long ago is star wars for them to fight star trek some time would have to pass, like i dont know some several thousand years. if you have to have a discustion about a future race fighting a single ship from the past, what will several thousand years of evolution to the tec. and jedi do. I can see the jedi becomeing the "R" the next letter in the alfabet beating the "Q" by turning them inside out, naked and covered in poop. then they would laugh at them. but only if provoked(Jedi code).anyway star wars movies are way cooler.

[muffenme]

come on guys you trekkies you keep bringing in the borg and a crap load of what ifs and crap to aid the enterprise but come on. Do you guys honestly believe that in war time the SD run by them selves really in the clone wars there were entire fleets of them the star wars galixy is filled with them. I mean did any one take in to acount how many of them there are out there, thousands of them, how many federation ships are there, hundred mabe. besides talking about sheilds one time i saw the enterprise got hit by a dirt clod, all the consoles on the bridge overloaded and crewmen #4 seat exploded. and i'm guessing that the enterprise would get caught in the SD tractor beam. oh and my final point how long ago is star wars for them to fight star trek some time would have to pass, like i dont know some several thousand years. if you have to have a discustion about a future race fighting a single ship from the past, what will several thousand years of evolution to the tec. and jedi do. I can see the jedi becomeing the "R" the next letter in the alfabet beating the "Q" by turning them inside out, naked and covered in poop. then they would laugh at them. but only if provoked(Jedi code).anyway star wars movies are way cooler.
The Jedi are a joke when it comes to mind power but ahead of people who doesn't have it. If they don't concentrate they can't get noting going and they can't control time or move large object with just a though. Someone in the Q would make the jedi look like they are 10,000,000,000,000,000 years behind. One Q could whip out all the jedi with a single though if they wanted to and the jedi wouldn't know what hit them..

[Auggie2k]

Oh... my....god!

[YWD67]

The Jedi are a joke when it comes to mind power but ahead of people who doesn't have it. If they don't concentrate they can't get noting going and they can't control time or move large object with just a though. Someone in the Q would make the jedi look like they are 10,000,000,000,000,000 years behind. One Q could whip out all the jedi with a single though if they wanted to and the jedi wouldn't know what hit them..

THAT IS IT PEOPLE!!!
WILL A MOD PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD NOW TO SAVE THESE PEOPLE FROM THEMSELVES!!!!!!!!!!

As of right now I am on a mission to get some of these people here laid, so they can get a real life.
I am taking PayPal donations at this time.
Please give generously to these people. Being a geek's geek is a terrible, terrible thing to suffer.

Thank You for your time, may the Force be with you, live long and prosper, and Wham! Bam! Thank you mam!

[muffenme]

THAT IS IT PEOPLE!!!
WILL A MOD PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD NOW TO SAVE THESE PEOPLE FROM THEMSELVES!!!!!!!!!!

As of right now I am on a mission to get some of these people here laid, so they can get a real life.
I am taking PayPal donations at this time.
Please give generously to these people. Being a geek's geek is a terrible, terrible thing to suffer.

Thank You for your time, may the Force be with you, live long and prosper, and Wham! Bam! Thank you mam!
That one thing I do agree with but how is the problem when it comes to me getting laid. Imostly rock, work on computer, play games, look at porn, what westling, and download.

[Kyle06]

That one thing I do agree with but how is the problem when it comes to me getting laid. Imostly rock, work on computer, play games, look at porn, what westling, and download.


LoL we have the same problems

[aceshigh]

Well... lets just compare each aspect of the ships... I only have the stats for the ACCLAMATOR TROOP TRANSPORT, not for the Star Destroyer.

Hyperspace/WARP Speed:
ATT: Any ship in Star Wars can cross half the galaxy in less than 24 hours. Thats about 50,000 light years
Enterprise: Max Warp Speed in Star Trek is about 9.6... and in a single leap they can cross only 3 light years!!!

Subliminal Acceleration
ATT:3500G
Enterprise: 1000G

Ok... so the Star Destroyer wins in this aspect. Not only it can accelerate faster than the Enterprise as above light speed, any ship in Star Wars can reach speeds of up to 100 million C!!! Enterprise can reach no more than 3000C!!

Also, the operational range of a Star Destroyer is 250,000 light years without refueling. The Enterprise can travel 2750 light years only. 100 times less.

Guns:
ATT:Light guns: 300 million GW (6 megatons per shot, 24 guns, assume 1 shot every 2 seconds for time-averaged power output rather than peak output)
Heavy guns: 2.4 million megatons (200 gigatons per shot from each turret, 12 turrets)

Enterprise
Main phasers: 3.6 GW (5.1 MW per emitter, 200 emitters in the main phaser array, 2 full-sized saucer arrays and 3 smaller roughly half-size arrays on the stardrive section, p.123). Note that phasers appear to have a chain-reaction effect so their raw power output may be deceptively low.
Photon torpedoes: 64 megatons max theoretical (based on 1.5 kg antimatter payload, p.129)



As you trekkies can see, the official figures favour the Star Wars universe. I posted data from a troop transport. A Star Destroyer is 10 times larger than the Acclamator and MUCH more powerful. The entire payload of photon torpedos of the Enterprise wouldnt tickle a Star Destroyer.

In fact, Slave One, the ship from Boba Fett, could kick the Enterprise´s ass!!

Slave One vs Enterprise-D
S1: Main guns: 64000 GW (2 kilotons per shot, 480 rpm firing rate onscreen in AOTC for time-averaged power output rather than peak output)
Missiles: 190 megatons (tail-launched missiles; seismic charge mines are roughly 12000 megatons)
Sublight acceleration: 2500G
Operational range: not stated (however, Obi-Wan's starfighter has an operational range of 150,000 light-years, and is probably similar).
Shield heat dissipation: not stated (however, Amidala's personal yacht has shield dissipation of 2 billion GW peak, and is probably similar)
Reactor power: not stated (however, Amidala's personal yacht has power output of 7 billion GW max, and is probably similar)
Max hyperspace speed: not stated (however, same-day flight from core to galactic outer-rim systems requires speeds in excess of 10 million c)

Enterprise-D
Main phasers: 3.6 GW
Photon torpedoes: 64 megatons max theoretical
Sublight acceleration: 1000G
Operational range: 2750 light-years
Shield heat dissipation: 3311 GW peak
Reactor power: ~4 billion GW at max warp 9.6
Max warp speed: ~2000c (warp 9.6)



STAR WARS
Planetary destruction: Death Star blast (roughly 20 billion trillion megatons, ie- the number "two" followed by 22 zeroes). Planet blown apart at 5% of the speed of light. Even if we assume the shot was time-lapse photography (not that there's any reason to), the absolute lower limit is roughly 50 quadrillion megatons. Note that even if you scale this monster down by a factor of 10 million (to the volume of a Star Destroyer), you'd still have 5 billion megatons. More than a match for poor Enterprise.

STAR TREK
Planetary destruction: 30-ship bombardment in "The Die is Cast" (surface-level explosions create fireballs in the megaton range at most, judging from fireball duration). No sub-orbital ejecta launched from planet's surface at all. Trekkies attempt to ignore weak-kneed appearance of attack and focus on semantics in order to exaggerate the figure.

STAR WARS
Asteroid destruction: Jango Fett's seismic charges destroy asteroids in a radius of 5-10 km in AOTC.

STAR TREK
Asteroid destruction: according to Riker, it would take the entire photon torpedo payload to destroy a single 5km wide hollow asteroid in "Pegasus". In other words, it would take the entire payload of the Enterprise-D (a capital warship with a crew of a thousand) to equal just one of Jango Fett's seismic charges (a bounty hunter's weapon).

STAR WARS
Speed: travel from galactic core systems to outer rim systems ("halfway across the galaxy" as Amidala put it) is shown repeatedly in ANH, TPM, and AOTC. It is invariably same-day traffic, typically a few hours.

STAR TREK
Speed: Voyager took 7 years to crawl across part of one quadrant of the galaxy, even with repeated assists from alien races, stolen technology, and even the occasional shove from a godlike being. Not hours ... years.




do you guys really want to compare a Galactic Empire/Republic 40 thousand years old with a 100/200 years old Federation???

[aceshigh]

For a cool comparation of size, check this diagram showing an Imperial Star Destroyer (front and side), the USS Nimitz (real aircraft carrier), a man (just 2 pixels tall), the USS Enterprise-D, and some of the world tallest buildings!

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/8214/idstowersenterprise7nj.jpg

[muffenme]

Nice picture aceshigh. Remember side isn't everything. Personally just give me a delta flyer or a runabot and I be happy just to look around in peace.

Even with all this info I still go with the galaxy class overall but if you want a powerful ship then the borg is the way to go because if they don't have the technology then all they need to do is take over a ship and they are better then the people who has the SD.

There one thing when it comes to both Star Trek and Star Wars that I think was brought up that no matter what the good side has for technology, they win. The Humans in the Star Trek side should had there ass handed to them many times but yet they win.

[YWD67]

Quick, Someone Shoot Me!!
For The Love Of God Please Shoot Me Now!!!!

[Excrement_Cranium]

I would just whoop both their asses with a fully outfitted Precurser Vessel, or a Ur-Quan Kor-ah ship.



If you don't get it, you need to refocus your geek.

[SanDiegoKid]

Star Control baby.

yeah.

Since everyone's just gettin crazy now I guess I'll add that a John Crichton brand worm hole weapon would make nasty work of both stupid ass ships.

[Excrement_Cranium]

Well... lets just compare each aspect of the ships... I only have the stats for the ACCLAMATOR TROOP TRANSPORT, not for the Star Destroyer blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah...

do you guys really want to compare a Galactic Empire/Republic 40 thousand years old with a 100/200 years old Federation???


While I know I've seen this entire post elsewhere on the net before, I will still kick in my vote for ubergeek of the year on this one.

[SanDiegoKid]

Nice!

Spaceballs: The .GIF


I just wanted to add that The Greatest American Hero would somehow fly haphazzardly into the fray and knock everyone out so his FBI friend Bill Maxwell could arrest them.

[Mels_Smileys45]

This thread still gloing? What a bunch of losers!


Kleenr, thats the most KICK ASS avatar I've ever seen. Im filled with envy, and rage!

[SanDiegoKid]

Thanks, dude!

I netflixed seasons 1-3 and I've been seriously junking out on it.
When I'm done it's either A-Team or Who's the Boss?.

[moneoa]

[QUOTE=aceshigh]Well... lets just compare each aspect of the ships... blah blah blah[QUOTE]
Dude I already went that far in the first three pages.
you just rehashed old shit.

This is a sad sad thread, Kleenr is mighty to have given birth to this spamfilled piece of shit

[Excrement_Cranium]

Enterprise E VS Millenium Falcon?

[Mels_Smileys45]

The Millenium Falcon is a hunk of shit! It would blow up just by trying to out run the Enterprise.

[Excrement_Cranium]

[QUOTE=aceshigh]Well... lets just compare each aspect of the ships... blah blah blah[QUOTE]
Dude I already went that far in the first three pages.
you just rehashed old shit.

This is a sad sad thread, Kleenr is mighty to have given birth to this spamfilled piece of shit

Ok... I'll retract. Now that I have scanned back over the thread.... Monea gets the geek of the year honor. Though, now that I think of it, doesn't true geekiness require knowledge of OBSCURE things. Star Trek and Star Wars have friggin conventions with massive turn out for some.... kind of breaks them from obscurity.

[Bytronix]

...that the Millenium Falcon is nothing more then the remaining saucer section of a poorly designed and possibly somewhat destroyed Starfleet ship. If so, it says something about the commanding skills of Han Solo.

[Andromedon]

To put in my two cents...since this thread STILL is alive and I can no longer let it pass without a comment: I think the enterprise would kick the star destroyers' butt. Hands down. The enterprise crew have shown they can deal with any problem that comes their way...in this case it really helps to be the good guys too. The good guys win over 80% of the time in anything made up in american cinema.

[Signa]

To put in my two cents...since this thread STILL is alive and I can no longer let it pass without a comment: I think the enterprise would kick the star destroyers' butt. Hands down. The enterprise crew have shown they can deal with any problem that comes their way...in this case it really helps to be the good guys too. The good guys win over 80% of the time in anything made up in american cinema.


There is that fact, but also i remember one episode of star trek where they met a new alien race that was armed with lazers on their ship. the crew of the enterprise scoffed at this because there is "phase shielding" in their hull that blocks weaker attacks from things like lazers. the star destroyer would "fire till their batteries run dry" (as they said in the episode) and not even scratch the enterprizes hull

and while we are on the topic of crossing universes, anyone ever see star wreck?

http://www.starwreck.com/

[DwarfBaby]

Nice!

Spaceballs: The .GIF


I just wanted to add that The Greatest American Hero would somehow fly haphazzardly into the fray and knock everyone out so his FBI friend Bill Maxwell could arrest them.


I was saddened when you changed your Avatar. I was probably about 10 - 12 when "The Greatest American Hero" came out. I don't remember much other then it came on about the same time as Airwolf another great cheesy classic. And a young "Hulk Hogan" lifted the front of a cop car in one of the episodes.

Actually, I wouldn’t mind a download or two. I haven’t looked for the show at all but if you could point me to a newsgroup, channel, torrent, or even ftp you would be my “Greatest American Hero”. (Yes I know that was lame)

[DwarfBaby]

Actually I googled it. I was 7 when “Greatest American Hero” first appeared (1981). Airwolf didn’t come along till 1984. That doesn’t seem right corresponding to my memories but I’ve learned never to question google.

[Excrement_Cranium]

Youtube has a fan edit of the Enterprise vs The Death Star... the enterprise rocked a star destroyer... didn't see what it did to the deathstar... it was my turn on Mariokart 64.

[YWD67]

I hope this one wins and ends this thread for all eternity!
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Class: Special (Type II Dyson Sphere)

Diameter: 200,000,000km or124,274,238 mi.
NOTE: (For a little prospective 124,274,238.4474668 mileS is ruffly the distance from the Sun to Mars)
Composition: Carbon-neutronium outer shell 2500 metres thick (See Footnote 1)
Operational Power Source: Type II G-Star Stellar Engine (In this case it is the star inside the Dyson sphere)
Area: 1.25 x 1017km2
Environment: Class M
Gravity: 1.02G (Artificially generated)
Atmosphere: Oxygen 21%/Nitrogen 78%
Diurnal cycle: 25.6 hours (Artificially generated)

(Footnote 1) No known way of blasting through this baby's neutronium shell according to Spock in StarTrek TOS: the Doomsday Machine Episode
Reference material: http://www.coldnorth.com/owen/game/startrek/relic/sphere.htm
.


God I can not believe that this thread is still alive. Hell Frankenstein eventualy died, why won't this monster?

If it must live on then I will just have to stick with this post I made at the begining.
I still have not seem anything posted here that can beat it.

For Christ sakes people the damn thing is so big and powerful, it needs a fucking small star to power it.

[Bytronix]

You know, someone named Sauron almost destroyed a star once before.

[Pirate_RRRRRR_IIIIII]

Are you kidding me? Star Destroyers have shields too. I'm not sure about Enterprise, but Star Destroyer shields recharge as well. And lets just say this Star Destroyer is a Super Star Destroyer, that means the enterprise is battling a ship roughly five miles long, with hundreds of Heavy Turbolasers, Concussion missiles and Ion Cannons and not to mention the massive wing of 144 TIE fighters it comes with, that would swarm like a hive of bees. And with Grand Admiral Thrawn in command, the Enterprise would be toast, that guy could take it down with a Lamda class SHUTTLE!

If it's not a Super Star Destroyer, it'd most likely be an Imperial class Star Destroyer, and even that is a stalwart opponent, and it comes with starfighters, and I think those tip the balance in favor of a Star Destroyer.

Two can play the quoting game

[Pirate_RRRRRR_IIIIII]

SD's have shield generators also. The only advantage starfleet has is transport technology. But they really couldnt use it until the sheilds are down. Besides, the Empire has the Dark Side of the Force on their side.

Also, SD's are like aircraft carriers. Not only does the Enterprise have to take on the SD, they have to take on about 100 tie fighters also...good luck with that one.

Yes but theyre not as strong and even if they were are you telling me some sd captain is going to pwn Picard?

[YWD67]

You know, someone named Sauron almost destroyed a star once before.

True, but not one encased in a 2500 metre thick neutronium shell.

[moneoa]

Yes but theyre not as strong and even if they were are you telling me some sd captain is going to pwn Picard?I will give them one thing, the imperial navy was full of bumpkins who got promoted not on merit but on how often the guy above him was force choked by Vader or shot by palpatine.

a lot more stupid waste on the Empires side. for sure

[Excrement_Cranium]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXeHyqlXhWY


Just watch... suckas.

[Bytronix]

True, but not one encased in a 2500 metre thick neutronium shell.

I'd be willing to bet that Lt. Commander Data could possibly figure out a solution to the problem.
My guess is that he might start by drilling a hole.

[SanDiegoKid]

Actually I googled it. I was 7 when “Greatest American Hero” first appeared (1981). Airwolf didn’t come along till 1984. That doesn’t seem right corresponding to my memories but I’ve learned never to question google. Airwolf has a bad ass theme song. They could totally kick Blue Thunder's ass. However if they teamed up, they may have a fightin' chance against Knight Rider.


Youtube has a fan edit of the Enterprise vs The Death Star... the enterprise rocked a star destroyer... didn't see what it did to the deathstar... it was my turn on Mariokart 64.

... but not against Mario kart 64... no one can defeat Mario Kart 64... except... for.. perhaps.... RC Pro Am (8 bit).


.. and I herebye apologize for this thread.

[amdskitzo]

Eclipse Class Star Destroyer > all

[Theinfamousone]

LOL is this a real question guys?

You realise a Star Destroyer is huge, Enterprise would get the snot beat out of it.
(there are more than 1,400 crew on a SD while there are only 1,400 crew on the enterprise.)

Especially with Admiral Thrawn at the helm, a fleet of SD could take out Star Fleet.

Been playing Tie Fighter? Then you should know that Thrawn was promoted to Grand Admiral!

[SanDiegoKid]

Chow Yun Fat could shoot the gas tank on any space ship and it would blow up in slow motion.

[RMIT]

I am referring to your post with specs of both of these fictional ships. Now as a student at RMIT 3rd year student in Quantum Mechanics i would like to say that both ships are fictional. I am not a fan of either but in looking at what you said and having seen a bit of both shows i would have to say that while your stats might be correct the figures that you quoted for Star Destroyer and Death Star are how can i say it "To Incredible" For the fact that the number you came up with and I dont know how are to massive for any generator of mater that size can come up with. The metal supporting it would annilhate it self (referring to the support structure of deat star). The passage that this beam trvels along would also destroy the death star. For the fact that several different beams meat as one to complete the weapon also can not happen as they would either cancel each other out or just uncontrollably shoot in the driection they came from (You can not refract a beam of energy from another positve beam of energy or suspend it in mid space). Also the sheer size of the death star with its created gravity is to big for a shollow object made of steel to support it would simply implode. With star trek i have a little more respect as with alot of the things they use and have are based on normal physics. Such as the metal its made of "Titanium" the weapons "photon torpedeos" using maybe a photon accelerator as a wepon and if these weopans photon torpedoes had the ammount of anti matter that you quoted then you could say good night to the "Death Star" and any star destroyers near it (With a single photon torpedo). In respect to you Star Trek uses some physics and known physics incorporated into the show. From what I know the charactor "Q" is a demi god so i dont think the jedi would stand a chance........... bye

[Signa]

yeah, i forgot about Q. just tell him that the jedi called him a pansy, and he'll take care of things. even if he doesnt wink them out of existance, he would start playing games with them to see if they are worthy of their powers. thus in all respects, removing the jedi from whatever influence they have on the battle.

[Theinfamousone]

I am referring to your post with specs of both of these fictional ships. Now as a student at RMIT 3rd year student in Quantum Mechanics i would like to say that both ships are fictional. I am not a fan of either but in looking at what you said and having seen a bit of both shows i would have to say that while your stats might be correct the figures that you quoted for Star Destroyer and Death Star are how can i say it "To Incredible" For the fact that the number you came up with and I dont know how are to massive for any generator of mater that size can come up with. The metal supporting it would annilhate it self (referring to the support structure of deat star). The passage that this beam trvels along would also destroy the death star. For the fact that several different beams meat as one to complete the weapon also can not happen as they would either cancel each other out or just uncontrollably shoot in the driection they came from (You can not refract a beam of energy from another positve beam of energy or suspend it in mid space). Also the sheer size of the death star with its created gravity is to big for a shollow object made of steel to support it would simply implode. With star trek i have a little more respect as with alot of the things they use and have are based on normal physics. Such as the metal its made of "Titanium" the weapons "photon torpedeos" using maybe a photon accelerator as a wepon and if these weopans photon torpedoes had the ammount of anti matter that you quoted then you could say good night to the "Death Star" and any star destroyers near it (With a single photon torpedo). In respect to you Star Trek uses some physics and known physics incorporated into the show. From what I know the charactor "Q" is a demi god so i dont think the jedi would stand a chance........... bye

OH MY, that was hillarious, good stuff. I thought I was simply basement losering myself when I started reading this thread, but now I'm getting a lesson in quantum physics, you can learn something from anything I guess. And the best part is that this guy has probably been surfing zeropaid for years and never posted until now because he finally found something worthy of his reply.

[YWD67]

This thread proves that there is no god.
If god did exist he would not have allowed this abomination to continue for all most 2 FUCKING YEARS!

[YWD67]

This thread proves that there is no god.
If god did exist he would not have allowed this abomination to continue for all most 2 FUCKING YEARS!

[YWD67]

This thread proves that there is no god.
If god did exist he would not have allowed this abomination to continue for all most
2 DAMN YEARS!

[Aval0n]

Enterprise > SD.

[moneoa]

This thread proves that there is no god.
If god did exist he would not have allowed this abomination to continue for all most
2 DAMN YEARS!
Actually God knows Damn well a star destroyer can take out the enterprise
thats why he gave up on this argument, he cant believe people would argue.

[Signa]

This thread proves that there is no god.
If god did exist he would not have allowed this abomination to continue for all most
2 DAMN YEARS!


so why did you post 3 times? you're just prolonging its life!

[Excrement_Cranium]

The Winnebago from Spaceballs would pwn them all.