The Enterprise Vs. a Star Destroyer

[Aval0n]

Actually God knows Damn well a star destroyer can take out the enterprise
thats why he gave up on this argument, he cant believe people would argue.

No way.
:bom:

[Excrement_Cranium]

The Kohr-Ah will cleanse you all from this universe!

[MoonMan]

If the Enterprise couldn't beat the Star Destroyer, they'd just lure it to DS9 where the Federation fleet, along with the rearmed space station itself, would obliterate it.

[DwarfBaby]

If the Enterprise couldn't beat the Star Destroyer, they'd just lure it to DS9 where the Federation fleet, along with the rearmed space station itself, would obliterate it.

I really have no Idea what that means:icon_scra . However, if the Death Star can be taken out twice with simple rebel fighter jets then I'd say the Enterprise has a fair shot at winning. Even the one with Kirk, which everyone knows was the only real Enterprise anyways. Captain Bi-card and his team of Intellectual talking heads would be doomed. They’d all sit around talking some techno gibberish about how a changed phase triquader reading might find a peaceful solution to this matter. Meanwhile the Death Star is targeting them and not a freakin minute to soon.

I can't believe I posted to this thead:drunken_s

[Excrement_Cranium]

The Orz Nemisis has the *go go* and would make short work of either of them....

[statusquo80]

Well I hate to keep this thread going but the Enterprise would win of course. A star destroyer uses laser technology which cannot penetrate the shields of the enterprise. Plus a star destroyer only has strong weapons in the front, the back of the ship is a huge unprotected target while the Enterprise can defend itself pretty well from all angles.

[uselesscrap]

Lexx would take out both starships with ease.

[moneoa]

I can't take it anymore......
This thread is insanity

[moneoa]

Ok I had closed this originally because I could not find any redeeming quality to it.
It is an endless question and hillarious but I had thought it ran out of steam.

There is some interest in it however and it has been brought to my attention
that its closure was perhaps premature.

On that note, Lexx is a ship for pussies.
You have to realise with a ship as massive as a destroyer its going to vape
most enemy ships even with lasguns.

besides the tie fighters could outmaneuver photon torpedos and tractor beams.
not all the shakespear in the world could help Picard

to be honest I never watched Lexx...no idea how strong the ship is

[Theinfamousone]

Well, if the enterprise could use quantum torpedos, they'd ice the star destroyer hands down. They even cleaned up the Borg in First Contact.

I always wondered who would win between a borg cube and the death star, I think that's kind of an unfair question because the cube would probably get rocked if the death star were able to fully charge the main weapon and everything that blew up the rebel's home planet, but what are the chances the borg would just sit there and let it hit them.

What about the Defiant vs. the Enterprise in The Next Generation? The Enterprise E would for sure make short work of it, but with all the armor and sheild power the Defiant packs, I would like to see it up against Picard in the Enterprise from the TV show.

[Signa]

yeah, i was about to complian about the thread being closed too, as reading and commenting in it is quite enjoyable.

hard to say IMO about the cube vs DS, i never thought the enterprise really *won* against the borg, but more of found loopholes in their defences. the DS is all about brute force, and the only time i remember that working against the cube was in the begining of first contact when half of star fleet was ganging up on it.

after all, the borg has the best technology from a thousand worlds. some of those could theroetically come from the guys that made the DS cannon, and the way to defend from such attacks.

[MoonMan]

The Defiant vs the Enterprise D would be an interesting battle. At the time, the Ent D was the flagship (before its destruction), and in that respect was a daunting ship to opponents. The Defiant, on the other hand, is armed to the teeth and has special armor platting to take harder hits. It's also probably more manueverable (too lazy to spell check).

I'd say that the Defiant could win in most situations. Besides, Sisko himself would turn Picard into a blood spot in hand to hand. That has to count for something. =p

btw thanks for reopening the thread moneoa.

[Excrement_Cranium]

A druuge mauler would offer no competition... however a spathi eluder is a formidable foe....

[Demogorgon]

Well, it depends on the specific Enterprise that you speak of.

Archer's Enterprise: Is crushed.

Kirk's Enterprise: A long battle, but just barely just wins.

Enterprise A: A little shorter, but takes heavy damage.

Enterprise B: Same as A, save it takes less damage.

Enterprise C: Is likely destroyed, though the ship is more advanced, it is just a horrible design made for more peaceful missions, though the ship is likely to inflict some heavy damage onto the ship.

Enterprise D: Crushes the SD and is likely to do the same to a SSD, assuming it goes for specific weak points, otherwise they have to leave and reload.

Enterprise E: Could easily crush the SD and take on an SSD, though they still have to be a careful about picking targets with the SSD, or risk running out of ammo.


The UFP tends to be much more advanced and is likely to crush any Imperial ship in a one on one fight, but when it comes down to a win all or lose all battle for both, the UFP is likely to get overwhelmed along with the Romulans and the Klingons. The Dominion would be safe untile the Empire recoverd froms its losses with the Alpha powers, but the Borg crushes them so fast its not even funny.

And the Defiant would beat the Enterprise D, though it would be heavly damaged unless it managed to avoid most of their attacks, which assuming it gets up close and in their face, is very much possible.

[MoonMan]

The UFP has no actual battleships besides the Defiant. Look at their fight with the borg, a single cube took on a major arm of the fleet with little to no resistance before being subdued. The Dominion war resulted in an amazing number of casualities and loss of ships. Even with the help of the Klingons, the Romulans, and hell rogue Cardassians toward the end, they still BARELY won. And by barely won, I mean in the Alpha Quadrant.. if they tried to take the fight to the Gamma Quadrant, it would have been a slam dunk victory for the Dominion.

What the UFP has going for it is much more than powerful (and mostly peace acting) ships, it has some of the best scientific and strategic minds around.

In an all out war, the only way the UFP could beat the Empire would be with the fair weathered allies who helped them beat the Founders. Without the might, technology, and numbers of the Kilngons and Romulans, it would be over in a short amount of time.

Even still, I'd bet money that any ready and decently armed Federation ship would out manuever and out gun any Empire ship.

[Demogorgon]

Well, to be fair, they have plenty of ships that fill the role of warships. Soverign, Galaxy, Nebula, and Akira are all double purpose battleships, though out of those four the Akira and the Soverign are the only ones that had some thought of war in them. The Defiant is their only sole warship.

And as for the Borg incident in Best of Both Worlds, you have to remember that most of their ships where likely on deep space exploration missions or busy defending other homeworlds, though it is true that they did indeed have a lack of ships. At least Wolf 359 woke them up and got them to building actual fleets of ships and just in time for the Dominion War. Of course they hardly did much better in the 2nd invasion of the Borg, but then again, seeing as how powerful the Borg are, the did a good job.

In any case I agree with the UFP easily being to overpower Imperial ships in battle, but we are still talking about that even with the Klingons, Romulans, and Cardassians they are likely to still be outnumbered enough for the Empire to win, though it would be so costly that the Empire itself may collapse. However, if you add in the Dominion (who wouldn't like the idea of a galatic empire moving into the area and likely targeting them next) and the Empire is in alot of trouble.

Of course, if the Alpha powers decide to take off the kiddy cloves and use Phase Cloaks and other illeagle weapons on the Empire...well, the Empire had better run in fear and hope that the UFP never decides to invade.

[MoonMan]

The one thing that the UFP has going for it in terms of warfare, is its ability to use even the most gentle looking ships in times of war with success. I realize Voyager wasn't the best series around, but it was a lot better than the dreadful Enterprise series. Anyway, Voyager itself was an Intrepid class vessel (which I believe was discontinued after Voyager was lost) with maybe 140 people max, and it stood the test of time against waves of alien forces. When it comes to Starfleet ships, durability seems to be the key, lol. That, and Starfleet engineers who are miracle workers.

I like your posts on this subject btw, you know what you're talking about haha. It's hard to find nerds out there who are well versed in the history of Star Trek from the shows and movies.

[Demogorgon]

The one thing that the UFP has going for it in terms of warfare, is its ability to use even the most gentle looking ships in times of war with success. I realize Voyager wasn't the best series around, but it was a lot better than the dreadful Enterprise series. Anyway, Voyager itself was an Intrepid class vessel (which I believe was discontinued after Voyager was lost) with maybe 140 people max, and it stood the test of time against waves of alien forces. When it comes to Starfleet ships, durability seems to be the key, lol. That, and Starfleet engineers who are miracle workers.

I like your posts on this subject btw, you know what you're talking about haha. It's hard to find nerds out there who are well versed in the history of Star Trek from the shows and movies.

Yes, I very much agree. I myself find Voyager enjoyable at times, and it did a fairly okay job with keeping with canon, unlike Enterprise, which drove me nearly insane with their contridictions and the very fact that they don't put 'the' when refering to the Enterprise. The thing that really bugged me with Voyager was the the Borg Queen, but even that wasn't nearly as bad as what I saw in Enterprise... a shame as the series had so much potential.

As for UFP ships being durable? I am very much sure that they had to redefine the word when Star Trek came out. Those ships are damn tough, with the most clever of crews ever seen at times. I mean, Voyager itself took a hit from a Bioship (though it was doubtfull that the ship was fireing at full power, its still an amazing feat).

And thank you, and may I say that you seem very knowledgable on the subject yourself. I myself haven't seen as much fellow trekkies around the web as well, I keep running into rabid Star Wars fan, which is really saddning as I know one Star Wars fan who is pretty cool. Can't have a nice debate without them going for 200 gigaton level weapons.

[MoonMan]

Yeah I agree with you on the Borg Queen, but Voyager really over did it with the Borg in general.

I remember being supremely disappointed with that season finale/premier 2 parter called Unimatrix Zero or something like that. I guess I was spoiled with season enders like Basics, and Equinox.

I hope you stick around here, and btw another good site, with a good forum is http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/index.html
mainly the forum http://boards.startrek.com/community/messages.html?

There aren't many Star Wars fans there to avoid, but there is no shortage of Republicans sadly. =p No offense if you are a republican, haha.

[Demogorgon]

Yeah, 8472 also kinda screwed up the powerscale too. With the weapons their using its a wonder why the Borg even survive the first shot.

Even going to Wong's site (he is a big Pro-Star Wars guy), his calculations put the 8472 Planet Buster Formation into 50,000,000 Teratons. Divide that by nine, then by another and you get 5,555,555.555 Teratons per ship, even assuming that each ship only put out 10% of their power into their attacks at the most, the Borg are still getting dished out 555,555.555 Teratons of firepower per hit. That is by far more powerful than any SW ship or base, save the Death Star has ever put out. He of course claims that the weapon is NDF...

And yeah, I think I will be staying.

[SanDiegoKid]

The Argo/Yamato.... what chance would it stand against any of these "space-ships" as you call them?

[Demogorgon]

Er, Starships actually.

Do you have a yields or examples of their firepower? I'm afraid I'm not familiar with that ship.

[MoonMan]

The Argo... isn't that in a reference to some ancient ship in Greek Mythology? I don't know any other references. As far as Yamato, the first thing that popped into my head was a Battecruiser's Yamato Cannon from StarCraft.

That's just my two cents, haha.

[Demogorgon]

I actually got back speaking to a warsie about how powerful Imperial weapons where. I made a mistake in some of Han's dialouge, I had thought that he said that not even a thousand ships could have destroyed Aldeeran, so I was corrected.

This is the correct quote that he showed me: HAN: The entire starfleet couldn't destroy the whole planet. It'd take a thousand ships with more fire power than I've...

I just stopped laughing actually >>

Anyhow, I have now changed my position on how the Empire Invasion is going to go...its going to be a bloodbath, lets hope that the UFP doesn't go too badly on them >>

[schizobion]

The shields of a Star Destroyer would not stop a Photon Torpedo. It would be the shortest fight the Enterprise (any - except maybe Archer's) ever engaged in.

[Demogorgon]

After seeing Han's quote, I would say so. If their entire starfleet can't even equal 40 ships in terms of firepower...well...you can see where that is going to go.

[SanDiegoKid]

Er, Starships actually.

Do you have a yields or examples of their firepower? I'm afraid I'm not familiar with that ship.

Well... though a fan of the early US version packaged as a TV series (Starblazers) and the feature length Japanese films (Space battleship Yamato), I can tell you it has a Wave Motion Gun that rips planets into space dust. Added to that are emplaced guns around and about the exterior... missiles, etc. It also has a fleet of smaller star fighters it can launch ala Battlestar Galactica. I don't think the ship itself has energy shielding, but they always seem to pull a trick or two out of the hat when their smoldering hull needs it most.

Google Starblazers or Space Battleship Yamato if you're at all interested. Anyone into scifi space adventures should check it out. I'm kind of biased, though.. I was five when I first got into it.

[Demogorgon]

Well... though a fan of the early US version packaged as a TV series (Starblazers) and the feature length Japanese films (Space battleship Yamato), I can tell you it has a Wave Motion Gun that rips planets into space dust. Added to that are emplaced guns around and about the exterior... missiles, etc. It also has a fleet of smaller star fighters it can launch ala Battlestar Galactica. I don't think the ship itself has energy shielding, but they always seem to pull a trick or two out of the hat when their smoldering hull needs it most.

Google Starblazers or Space Battleship Yamato if you're at all interested. Anyone into scifi space adventures should check it out. I'm kind of biased, though.. I was five when I first got into it.

Ah, thats good.

UFP: The UFP ships aren't likely to stand up to the ship in power, theough the likely have it in speed, and the fighters are not likely to do very much as Phaser Arrays tend to hand their asses back to them in a very short order. It is however, more firepower than the UFP has ever thrown around...save for the future. However, in a battle against the UFP itself, the lack of shielding will be its demise, espeacily when it meets the USS Defiant*.

Klingons: Same as the UFP, though they stand a little more of a chance as their likely to just delcoak and attack the bridge or engines. A bird of prey* could take it, though the fighters would make the task a bitch.

Romulans: The Romulans are likely to be the same as the Klingons with the ambusing, though do to the large size of their ships, they better hope that they are able to disable the ship before it can return fire or their toast. Still, they would win in a fleet battle as the lack of heavy shielding doesn't do well when the enemy likes to use Plasma Torps (They envelop the target in plasma and force an implosion...)

Cardassians: The Cardassians are likely to lose the most of all the races just do to the fact that they are weaker and have a tendancy to not to cloak and are not nearly as mobil or as powerful as the UFP ships.

Breen: Depends on who goes first, if its the battleship, the Breen are toast. If not, the Breen hit them with energy dampening weapons and then beam the crew into cells and take the ships as theirs.

Dominion: The Dominion would have trouble, as their Phased Poleron Beams seem to be weaker (trading in power for the ability to penetrate shields without problem), but if its a dreadnought, it depends on who goes first.

Borg: The Borg are likely to lose a tone of ships on this thing, but if the Borg follow traditional steps, it be about one or three ships before they wither disable the ship and disect it, or beam over and assimilate the crew.

Species 8472: The Species are likely to lose maby one or two of their ships depending on who fires first. Since these ships are pretty much DET and are capable when linked with nine other ships...well...its not going to look pretty. Basicly, the ships have high offensive powers (with 8472 on the weak side), but with Warp, Fluidic Space, and numbers the 8472 take it in an actual fleet battle.

Overall, the ship is more powerful in offensive power than all save 8472, but the lack of shielding hurts it, though if you can give me an idea of how much firepower they can take, that would help, though I hope its more than 45 megatons otherwise it turns into a who shoots who first deal.

In any case, its a pretty impressive ship to be able to rival 8472, the biggest baddest ship in the ST galaxy barring future ships and demi-god beings.

*The Defiant and the Klingon Bird or Prey are fairly small and agile ships (despite always being the most badass) and would likely get to close for the enemy ship to fire its weapons, though they would have a tougher time against the fighters.

[moneoa]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0PuZ-i4b_Y

[Demogorgon]

Uh, ooookay....

[SanDiegoKid]

If I could go back in time and stop myself from starting this thread, I dunno... maybe.. maybe I would. I was really pulling for the Star Destroyer, but it seems Star Trek has enough gobbeldygook in the guise of real technical manuals published to refute any claim for victory by The Empire.

However, I could just as easliy refer to the Dark horse comic mini-series "Dark Empire" in which the emperor creates huge "force storms" in space, swallowing entire fleets of annoying star ships.

Enter Star Trek guy: "Well you see the force operates on a particular phase variance which can be detected via a faint sub space ripple, which could the be used to guide a photon torpedo of the opposite frequency coated in Spock's force-repelling green blood straight into the emperor's asshole. It's all so obvious. I mean.. c'mon."

Then I would put a straight-faced smiley right here. Just kind of... staring...

[MoonMan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0PuZ-i4b_Y

I lol'd hard at that.

[Demogorgon]

If I could go back in time and stop myself from starting this thread, I dunno... maybe.. maybe I would. I was really pulling for the Star Destroyer, but it seems Star Trek has enough gobbeldygook in the guise of real technical manuals published to refute any claim for victory by The Empire.

However, I could just as easliy refer to the Dark horse comic mini-series "Dark Empire" in which the emperor creates huge "force storms" in space, swallowing entire fleets of annoying star ships.

Enter Star Trek guy: "Well you see the force operates on a particular phase variance which can be detected via a faint sub space ripple, which could the be used to guide a photon torpedo of the opposite frequency coated in Spock's force-repelling green blood straight into the emperor's asshole. It's all so obvious. I mean.. c'mon."

Then I would put a straight-faced smiley right here. Just kind of... staring...

Um...the Emperor is sorta dead.

Also, what is the range?

[SanDiegoKid]

Um...the Emperor is sorta dead.

Also, what is the range?


The emperor is sorta fictional... but anyway he wasn't pushin' up space-dasies when he was fillin' space with force storms, swallowing entire fleets.

The range... mmm... it seemed like he was in view of the space battles, but not right up in 'em. You know... sittin' on a throne lookin' out his window. That sort of thing.

[CRLocky]

I love this thread. Not because I can adequately contribute, or that I necessarily care... But because I can read it, understand it, and not feel the urge to argue.

[Demogorgon]

The emperor is sorta fictional... but anyway he wasn't pushin' up space-dasies when he was fillin' space with force storms, swallowing entire fleets.

The range... mmm... it seemed like he was in view of the space battles, but not right up in 'em. You know... sittin' on a throne lookin' out his window. That sort of thing.

UFP ships have a max range of 250,000 Kilometers >>

Though the optimal range is much closer...

[moneoa]

I was rooting for the star destroyer too but I found one federation ship
that was built for battle, if not the enterprise this one could do the trick.

USS Prometheus
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/USS_Prometheus_%28NX-59650%29

Yeah we are delving into ST Voyager here but it is still a UFP ship.
I had just remembered this one a night or two ago

[Demogorgon]

Its not a bad ship, nice design and a nice idea. Though the Defiant itself would beat the ISD from sheer badass alone ^^

Anyhow, its a problem that the Imperial army can't destroy even one planet without building a huge station. Still a cool series...and by cool series, I mean the orginal trilogy, not the new ones.

[MoonMan]

The Prometheus was hijacked by Romulans, lol. It's a cool ship with an interesting method of warfare, but being hijacked says something about it. The Defiant is still the ship of choice for me. =p

[Demogorgon]

Yeah, good point.

The Prometheus is cool, but still has that usual Starfleet feel. Which is good, but isn't Defiant.

Standard UFP feel: Hi, do you want to be my friend?

Defiant: Hi, I'm going to kick your ass.

[YWD67]

DIE!! DIE!!
WHY WON'T THIS FUCKING THREAD DIE!!!!!!!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SanDiegoKid]

01001001 00100111 01001101 00100000 01010011 01001111 00100000 01010011 01001111 01010010 01010010 01011001 00100001 Aka Nerdy Spam!

[CRLocky]

lol... you better be.

[Demogorgon]

Ooookay...

[moneoa]

Ooookay...
Running gags and commentary, just run with it.
It's all in fun and the rest of us take it in stride.

Even you had to admit my bit of a break from the passion was funny shit...halo c4'ing Donkey Kong's ass

[Demogorgon]

Ah, I see.

[YWD67]

If I could go back in time and stop myself from starting this thread, I dunno... maybe.. maybe I would. I was really pulling for the Star Destroyer, but it seems Star Trek has enough gobbeldygook in the guise of real technical manuals published to refute any claim for victory by The Empire.

However, I could just as easliy refer to the Dark horse comic mini-series "Dark Empire" in which the emperor creates huge "force storms" in space, swallowing entire fleets of annoying star ships.

Enter Star Trek guy: "Well you see the force operates on a particular phase variance which can be detected via a faint sub space ripple, which could the be used to guide a photon torpedo of the opposite frequency coated in Spock's force-repelling green blood straight into the emperor's asshole. It's all so obvious. I mean.. c'mon."

Then I would put a straight-faced smiley right here. Just kind of... staring...

So you have returned to the scene of the crime, huh?
OOOOOOOOOOOOH,YOU....YOU... ZP should reconvene the Spanish Inquisition and have you killed by slow torture for creating this hellish abomination.
DAMN YOU TO HELL!

[DwarfBaby]

Jesus,

This thread is sort of like the movie "The Never Ending Story" it's a good thing I walked out of that piece of shit or I'd still be there waiting for that awful film to end.

I'm not calling for this thread to be closed but I am building a terminator machine to go back in time to kill Kleenr's mother before he is born so that this thread will never exist.

No offense to Kleenr or his mom but something has to be done. And for good measure the Terminator is programmed to take out George Lucas mom and Gene Rodenberry’s Dad just to make sure nobody else makes a similar thread simply by chance.

[Mels_Smileys45]

Where is the vote button? Put it to a vote or STFU!

[Demogorgon]

Sadly, I have stopped you. Rodenberry must live, so I have dispatched a Hellfire Engine to stop your terminator. I am sorry for your loss.:icon_salu

[Signa]

Jesus,

This thread is sort of like the movie "The Never Ending Story" it's a good thing I walked out of that piece of shit or I'd still be there waiting for that awful film to end.

I'm not calling for this thread to be closed but I am building a terminator machine to go back in time to kill Kleenr's mother before he is born so that this thread will never exist.

No offense to Kleenr or his mom but something has to be done. And for good measure the Terminator is programmed to take out George Lucas mom and Gene Rodenberry’s Dad just to make sure nobody else makes a similar thread simply by chance.

kill rodenberry?! YOU MONSTER!

im no where nearly the treky i used to be, but because i *ahem* have all the eps of all the seasons. i have been watching them at work on my breaks, and damn next gen was a good show.

[MoonMan]

I started watching Star Trek Voyager again thanks to Spike. Better show than I remember.

[SanDiegoKid]

We all have an "Enterprise Vs. Star Destroyer" thread in our hearts.

This is just a reflection of your soul.


"I'll be your mirror, reflect what you are, in case you don't know."

[Edmundo]

Without a doubt a Star Destroyer would prevail over the Enterprise.

The Enterprise is a science research vessel with moderate offensive capabilities.

Where as a Star Destroyer is what it says on the tin.

Geek Info:
All Imperial-class variants are said to be 1,600 meters (approximately one mile) long. The crew of an Imperial-class Star Destroyer is 37,000, and these vessels also carry a full complement of 9,700 stormtroopers which brings the overall total to 46,700 personnel.

:icon_geek

[sandwichman]

Star destroyer.....thuuuuuuuuu......the thing can wipe out entire planets ffs!

[Demogorgon]

Without a doubt a Star Destroyer would prevail over the Enterprise.

The Enterprise is a science research vessel with moderate offensive capabilities.

Where as a Star Destroyer is what it says on the tin.

Geek Info:
All Imperial-class variants are said to be 1,600 meters (approximately one mile) long. The crew of an Imperial-class Star Destroyer is 37,000, and these vessels also carry a full complement of 9,700 stormtroopers which brings the overall total to 46,700 personnel.

:icon_geek

Um...what good is personal if their entire ship is doomed to begin with?

Also, do a little more research. The Enterprise E is a warship..:error

[Demogorgon]

Star destroyer.....thuuuuuuuuu......the thing can wipe out entire planets ffs!

Er...No?

Han himself said that the entire planet of Aldeeran couldn't be destroyed by the entire Imperial Navy. Even if you take his figure of a thousand ships, that is still far more than it took for 40 ST ships to do in DS9. >>

[Star Destroyer]

Star Destroyer would win. becuz Star Wars is real and Star Trek is a made up FICTION story to make some cheap television.

:icon_thum

[Aval0n]

A story set in a galaxy far far away is reality to you? Okay...

[Star Destroyer]

What,
so Star Trek is real to you???

Star Wars did happen long time ago far far away, something wrong with that???
:icon_scra

[MoonMan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbaTur4A1OU

[Aval0n]

What,
so Star Trek is real to you???

Star Wars did happen long time ago far far away, something wrong with that???
:icon_scra

Pal..They're both works of fiction. I never said Star Trek was "real" to me. You seriously have some issues thinking a work of fiction is "real".

[SanDiegoKid]

You've been wound up, mate.

[sandwichman]

Star Destroyer would win. becuz Star Wars is real and Star Trek is a made up FICTION story to make some cheap television.

:icon_thum

LMAO! whaaat

[Star Destroyer]

Ok , so if (in ur history erasing way of thinking) both are fake or fiction to you , than is "Star Destroyer vs Enterprise who would win" a total stupid question with no answer.

:icon_thum

[silentscream]

Ok , so if (in ur history erasing way of thinking) both are fake or fiction to you , than is "Star Destroyer vs Enterprise who would win" a total stupid question with no answer.

:icon_thum

this is a battle of geekieness not a battle of twits lol

and damn fine thread it is too

.

[Demogorgon]

Ok , so if (in ur history erasing way of thinking) both are fake or fiction to you , than is "Star Destroyer vs Enterprise who would win" a total stupid question with no answer.

:icon_thum

Or in other words, you have no idea what your talking about.

You compare them by the available knowledge known. UFP ships on one hand, can hit targerts from 250,000 to 300,000 kilometers away depending on the ship, even ones moving faster than the speed of light. Imperial ships on the other hand, are luckiy to hit a similar size ship within visual range. The best range assesment we have ever seen from Imperial ships is when they planned on fireing at a planet from out of the solar system, which when you think about it, isn't at all impressive since the planet isn't really going to be trying to dodge it and isn't nearly fast enough to evade them.

Another example is where 20 Star Trek ships are able to destroy the crust of a planet in one hour and the mantle within five. The Empire, according to Han, would need at least a thousand (ISDs) ships with more firepower than he's ever seen. Assuming that the Empire even has these ships, That still means that they need 980 more ships to do what the UFP would need. To make matters worse, the largest UFP ship, the Galaxy and the Soverign are only half the length of a ISD.

And still they sport more firepower. In fact, the Empire had to build a station the size of a small moon in order to get the level of power generation they needed.

[Demogorgon]

Star Destroyer would win. becuz Star Wars is real and Star Trek is a made up FICTION story to make some cheap television.

:icon_thum

Uhhhh, Star Wars is fake too...and it also happens to be just as cheap, if not cheaper than Star Trek. Just look at the last three movies which where utter crap.

Furthermore, you also have a Enterprise Avatar.

[Star Destroyer]

Uhhhh, Star Wars is fake too...and it also happens to be just as cheap, if not cheaper than Star Trek. Just look at the last three movies which where utter crap.

Furthermore, you also have a Enterprise Avatar.

I like the movies, i dont like the love/romantic-scenes or what they wanted to show us, dont think we needed that , but still not as bad as Lord of the rings 3 where stupid hobbits get married and shit.

I also liked some Star Trek movies especially the one with the Borgs. But i think the soap is totally for some sort of geeks that also watch beverly hills 90210 or stuff like csi ,lost,prison break,..., there is nothing intresting there.

I tought the Star Destroyer was one of the most impressive ships they ever build till there was Deathstar also i think nothing beats them of design. Yah the Borg Cube that was also verry impressive . Than you have the marvel Planet Ego wich is so fucking cool , a living planet that got banned to other space by Galactus, amazing idea.

But i dont know crap about the technological stuff of Star Destroyer and of Enterprise. I know for a fact that beating lightspeed is really impossible , and that traveling at lightspeed makes you live in another time where you live ur life 4 times slower.

And i love my Enterprise Avater :icon_thum also nice picture

[moneoa]

Pal..They're both works of fiction. I never said Star Trek was "real" to me. You seriously have some issues thinking a work of fiction is "real".

fiction means based in fact you fucking moron why don't you go look up your lingo before making stupid comments and really proving you have shit for brains.

I aught to ban your ass troll but i am too wasted to be a misrable ass like you right now, so toss off you wanker

[thepuzzler]

fiction means based in fact you fucking moron why don't you go look up your lingo before making stupid comments and really proving you have shit for brains.
Actually "non-fiction" is based on fact. Fiction is usually based on something either imagined or invented.

Just throwing it out there...

[moneoa]

Actually "non-fiction" is based on fact. Fiction is usually based on something either imagined or invented.

Just throwing it out there...

I was completely inebrieated at three in the morning with that one.
good times.....

[the great one]

well it's 12:42 am here.and I'm totally drunk...............what was I talking about again?

[moneoa]

and now for something completely different

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFKaLfs68Sk

[Star Destroyer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGymPoIdps4

[Demogorgon]

I like the movies, i dont like the love/romantic-scenes or what they wanted to show us, dont think we needed that , but still not as bad as Lord of the rings 3 where stupid hobbits get married and shit.

Perhaps that's because it happened in the book?

I also liked some Star Trek movies especially the one with the Borgs. But i think the soap is totally for some sort of geeks that also watch beverly hills 90210 or stuff like csi ,lost,prison break,..., there is nothing intresting there.

Soap? What soap? I assume you mean the part where their talking about a better future or whatnot? Um...that's sorta what Star Trek is about. A better tommorow.

I tought the Star Destroyer was one of the most impressive ships they ever build till there was Deathstar also i think nothing beats them of design. Yah the Borg Cube that was also verry impressive . Than you have the marvel Planet Ego wich is so fucking cool , a living planet that got banned to other space by Galactus, amazing idea.

Um...size does not equal power. UFP ships are very powerful and very fast. The Empire, while a powerful sci-fi group (mainly due to the size of their empire and Hyperdrive), isn't much of a match in ship vs ship battles.

But i dont know crap about the technological stuff of Star Destroyer and of Enterprise. I know for a fact that beating lightspeed is really impossible , and that traveling at lightspeed makes you live in another time where you live ur life 4 times slower.

This is Sci-Fi. Also, the correct term for the ship is the Enterprise. Both ships can travel at faster than light speeds. The UFP is just more powerful when it comes to weapons.


And i love my Enterprise Avater :icon_thum also nice picture[/QUOTE]

[USS Challenger OPS]

this is the kinda speed and weaponry you have with intrepid class starships


Warp Drive
Nacelles: 2
Normal Cruise Speed: Warp 6.5
Maximum Cruise Speed: Warp 9.975
Maximum Rated: Warp 9.982 (12 hours)

Offensive Armament
11 x Type XI Phaser arrays
2 x Type II Pulse Phaser Cannons
4 x Photon/Quantum torpedo tubes + 40 torpedoes
1 x Deployable, Remote Tactical Weapons Platforms
10 Transphasic Torpedoes
Antimatter Spread Emitter

Defensive Capabilities
Auto-modulating, Regenerative, Tri-Layered High Capacity Shield System
Metaphasic Shield System
Standard Duranium/Tritanium double hull (plus 6 cm Ablative Armor)
Standard Level Structural Integrity Field (SIF)
Klingon Loaned Cloaking Device


erm..i sim on the USS Challenger as the Chief operations Officer. The Interpid class starships are the fastest and msot technologicaly adavanced starships in the fleet, how ever the Galaxy Class starships, such as the USS Enterprise are the most powerful. I think that either one would easily destroy a star destroyer.

[Demogorgon]

this is the kinda speed and weaponry you have with intrepid class starships


Warp Drive
Nacelles: 2
Normal Cruise Speed: Warp 6.5
Maximum Cruise Speed: Warp 9.975
Maximum Rated: Warp 9.982 (12 hours)

Offensive Armament
11 x Type XI Phaser arrays
2 x Type II Pulse Phaser Cannons
4 x Photon/Quantum torpedo tubes + 40 torpedoes
1 x Deployable, Remote Tactical Weapons Platforms
10 Transphasic Torpedoes
Antimatter Spread Emitter

Defensive Capabilities
Auto-modulating, Regenerative, Tri-Layered High Capacity Shield System
Metaphasic Shield System
Standard Duranium/Tritanium double hull (plus 6 cm Ablative Armor)
Standard Level Structural Integrity Field (SIF)
Klingon Loaned Cloaking Device


erm..i sim on the USS Challenger as the Chief operations Officer. The Interpid class starships are the fastest and msot technologicaly adavanced starships in the fleet, how ever the Galaxy Class starships, such as the USS Enterprise are the most powerful. I think that either one would easily destroy a star destroyer.

Well, so would a Soverign class as well.

But in any case, yeah, the ISD doesn't even stand a chance.

[cBeams]

Whichever one is left in one piece doesn't matter, for it seems as though the nerds have won.

[YWD67]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGymPoIdps4

SD I hope you and who ever made that rots in hell with the original thread starter of this undying abomination.

Oh and I sitll think the Futurama Planet Express star ship is better then any other.
It with stood a supernova blast for god sake.

[DwarfBaby]

SanDiegoKid???

[Signa]

new question for the next 15 pages.

Enterprise VS. Goa'uld mothership from Stargate.

[sethhandler]

yeah... hmm..

[kill.rhythm]

(farrrrrrrt)


Oh.. s'cuse me.

Oh damn it's a wet one.

[Mels_Smileys45]

(farrrrrrrt)


Oh.. s'cuse me.

Oh damn it's a wet one.



WTF dood? You are aware that there is no need to boost post counts here anymore right?

NO TRADE FOR YOU!




Or are you a clone of that other user, uh......whatshisname? Im pretty sure you are. SanDiegoKid/kleenr? Whats up with your account??????????

[kill.rhythm]

In response to your question... I am eating a delicious bowl of Honey Bunches of Oats (with peaches).

[Mels_Smileys45]

In response to your question... I am eating a delicious bowl of Honey Bunches of Oats (with peaches).
Damn it! Tell me why your account was deleted!!!!!!!!!!!

[Potato]

@ kill.rhythm: I really like your user title. :)

[moneoa]

SanDiegoKid???kleenr
......

[CarbonEagle]

I think this says it all (and its pretty cool to boot)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNxhrPaaCA4

Personally i think the enterprise would win, cause there the good guys ergo the bad guys have to lose... lol

[Signa]

I think this says it all (and its pretty cool to boot)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNxhrPaaCA4

Personally i think the enterprise would win, cause there the good guys ergo the bad guys have to lose... lol
but what if the rebels captured the star destroyer? I know it's a BIG "if," but is the Enterprise loses that advantage, what would be your opinion then?

I think that the video you showed was pretty accurate, minus the repeated shield loss. The Death Star could easily destroy the Enterprise if they hit it with its main weapon, but the Enterprise is too maneuverable to actually be hit by it.

[YWD67]

I just fucking knew it Sig. You had to go and mention this damn thread in one of your post yesterday and draw someone to it.
This Frankenstein monster has been dead for more then a year and you just had to bring it back to life didn't you?

[w31n3r]

I just fucking knew it Sig. You had to go and mention this damn thread in one of your post yesterday and draw someone to it.
This Frankenstein monster has been dead for more then a year and you just had to bring it back to life didn't you?

i agree, this debate is absolutely pointless. we all know the enterprise totally pwns the rest ;)

[YWD67]

i agree, this debate is absolutely pointless. we all know the enterprise totally pwns the rest ;)

I hope your mouse bites you and gives you rabies.

[Signa]

I just fucking knew it Sig. You had to go and mention this damn thread in one of your post yesterday and draw someone to it.
This Frankenstein monster has been dead for more then a year and you just had to bring it back to life didn't you?

I think I was subconsciously hoping for this. I try to not miss chances to nerd it out.

[mfgbypooter]

Wouldn't it be great to take the helm of your very own starship?



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http://www.queeble.com/images/commander3.jpg

*

[YWD67]

Hey is that the planet Assinine #8 in the background? It looks like some kind of volcanic eruption coming from the surface.
I hear it's a real shitting world located in the Bunghole star system.

[El Comandante]

i agree, this debate is absolutely pointless. we all know the enterprise totally pwns the rest ;)

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd252/salamooch/vader.jpg

[moneoa]

Jesus fucking Christ you poor bastards...even IF and I mean IF the enterprise took on a freaking battleship with a crew compliment of a small goddamn country namely a star destroyer, if it was the Executioner the empires flag ship then Darth Vader would just choke Picards bald frenchie pussy ass anyhow.

That's if it could withstand a compliment of TIE fighters and a full on assault by the destroyers laser cannons.

There is no argument here

[Signa]

Jesus fucking Christ you poor bastards...even IF and I mean IF the enterprise took on a freaking battleship with a crew compliment of a small goddamn country namely a star destroyer, if it was the Executioner the empires flag ship then Darth Vader would just choke Picards bald frenchie pussy ass anyhow.

That's if it could withstand a compliment of TIE fighters and a full on assault by the destroyers laser cannons.

There is no argument here

I'm not going to miss this chance either...

Ok, first of all, the topic (as old and well deviated from as possible at this point) is about the physical capabilities of the star ships themselves, and not the crews. I never considered the Executioner to be valid for the point of this discussion either, because it's a "super" star destroyer. The topic isn't about "Executioner vs Enterprise," now is it?

If we REALLY want to get into the discussion of the crews though, Starfleet crews always have a certain amount of predictable tenacity that you don't see in the Imperial Navy. You are very likely correct that Vader would just choke Picard to death right away. However, knowing the crew, they would then set out to quickly learn how the Force works (with a MUCH better explanation of Metaclorians than the Star Wars movies ever did), and create some way to either block Vader from using the force, or create a "Jedi armband" with some leftover piece of electronics (probably Jordi's visor again) and then have Riker or Data (who can't have his mind read) to avenge Picard's death.

...Or O'brian can just beam Vader's pasty ass into the vacuum of space.

[YWD67]

Will someone please put a fucking bullet in my head!

[Signa]

isn't that what I was just doing?

[YWD67]

No it's more like your sticking an ice pick into my brain through my eye very, very, very, slowly.

[Signa]

well, if I ever have to torcher anyone, I know that I have an unique tool to inflict lots of pain

[Nuke Baby]

Can't Deana Troi just use her telepathic powers to get some stormtrooper to hit the self destruct button? You know...kinda like Obi Wan in the 1st Star Wars film when they pulled into Mos Eisley.

Stormtrooper: Let me see your identification.
Obi-Wan: [with a small wave of his hand] You don't need to see his identification.
Stormtrooper: We don't need to see his identification.
Obi-Wan: These aren't the droids you're looking for.
Stormtrooper: These aren't the droids we're looking for.
Obi-Wan: He can go about his business.
Stormtrooper: You can go about your business.
Obi-Wan: Move along.
Stormtrooper: Move along... move along.

[Two stormtroopers are posted near the tractor beam power terminal]
Stormtrooper: Do you know what's going on?
Other stormtrooper: Maybe it's another drill.

Would you put these morons up against a ship full of Starfleet Academy grads?

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/hurdlingperry647/Funny_Pictures_Animated_Picard_Punc.gif

[Signa]

WOW! great .gif!

No Diana can't use her powers like that. Maybe if one of the storm troopers was feeling sad, she could help him emotionally, and show his gratitude by being a traitor, but that's a long stretch.

[Nuke Baby]

WOW! great .gif!

No Diana can't use her powers like that. Maybe if one of the storm troopers was feeling sad, she could help him emotionally, and show his gratitude by being a traitor, but that's a long stretch.

Oh, what the hell was I thinking? Well then, I guess we'll have to settle for beaming Geordi and Data over to muck things up with the engines or something.

A Star Destroyer may be a superior vessel, but a ship is only as good as its crew!

[moneoa]

i'm not going to miss this chance either...

Ok, first of all, the topic (as old and well deviated from as possible at this point) is about the physical capabilities of the star ships themselves, and not the crews. I never considered the executioner to be valid for the point of this discussion either, because it's a "super" star destroyer. The topic isn't about "executioner vs enterprise," now is it?

If we really want to get into the discussion of the crews though, starfleet crews always have a certain amount of predictable tenacity that you don't see in the imperial navy. You are very likely correct that vader would just choke picard to death right away. However, knowing the crew, they would then set out to quickly learn how the force works (with a much better explanation of metaclorians than the star wars movies ever did), and create some way to either block vader from using the force, or create a "jedi armband" with some leftover piece of electronics (probably jordi's visor again) and then have riker or data (who can't have his mind read) to avenge picard's death.

...or o'brian can just beam vader's pasty ass into the vacuum of space.

well played and well spoken, my rebuttal is in the works.......and your right they would just use jordi's damn visor

[1cooldude]

my dilithium crystal is over oscillating and can't feed this crap into the real world calculation..:icon_rr:

[Mels_Smileys45]

I just found a similar NEWS story....sorta

'Enterprise' vs. the Death Star: Place your bets!

If you think that something like this hasn't entered George Lucas' mind -- along with every geek born after 1968 -- at least once, then you're kidding yourself.

VIDEO (http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2009/05/death-star-ente.html?iid=top25-%27Enterprise%27+vs.+the+Death+Star%3A+Place+your+ bets!)

[Signa]

I loved that shot of the death star in orbit. Beautiful and terrifying.

[alpinedigital]

Hello all, Im a newb... glad I could join the comversation.

So we have a star destroyer, and I'm going to imagine, we want our best characters on board... do we have a standard compliment of fighters or we throw in any kickass Imperial ship that'll fit in it? And then we'll go ahead and letcha pick from any/all movies... wont matter anyway.

And this is against Enterprise D from Next Gen with all the best characters that served on it? Well no, that's a slaughter. Let me go see what the standard match up is, because Enterprise D won't use standard firepower to win. I'll maybe edit this shortly after browsing this thread further.

-edit- wow, by the looks of this thread, its not very active lately.

[Mels_Smileys45]

The new Chevy Camaro could out PIMP both of them!

[YWD67]

Hello all, Im a newb... glad I could join the comversation.

So we have a star destroyer, and I'm going to imagine, we want our best characters on board... do we have a standard compliment of fighters or we throw in any kickass Imperial ship that'll fit in it? And then we'll go ahead and letcha pick from any/all movies... wont matter anyway.

And this is against Enterprise D from Next Gen with all the best characters that served on it? Well no, that's a slaughter. Let me go see what the standard match up is, because Enterprise D won't use standard firepower to win. I'll maybe edit this shortly after browsing this thread further.

-edit- wow, by the looks of this thread, its not very active lately.

Guess what noob just made my shit list with their first post??
You made a big mistake of resurecting this thread which is nothing ore then a spawn of satan.

I will have a keen watchful eye on you for awhile rabble rouser.

Welcome to ZP and say goodbye to your soul.

(Bet Signa put you up to this.)

[Signa]

Kekekekeke!

[Mels_Smileys45]

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l173/flames1021/quagmire_giggity_giggity_goo.jpg

[kukuruza]

The enterprise is final

[alpinedigital]

The final word is, most of Star Wars weapons are fired from cannons. This means a hard time aiming. You've seen how slow the turrets move, and the smaller ships have to actually dogfight their way behind a ship and line it up for the kill. If they aren't fast enough to track the speed of the Enterprise, they simply cannot shoot it. However, the Enterprise can fire in all directions and just stay a couple steps ahead of their tracking speed and they'd never get hit. The SD would have to anticipate every heading change and get a lucky shot in.

I'd just tell Data to keep the Enterprise ahead of their tracking abilities and he can just throw so many random course changes they'd never keep pace. He'd probably not even need to concentrate for that, so he can help LaForge come up with something really effective to throw at it. Just configure the deflector dish to fire something that'll rip space-time, open a singularity right in the path of the star destroyer and then destabilize it while it has half its ass stuck hanging out into normal space. :booty:

Or send them into a temporal vortex or something and collapse it behind them, leave'em stuck in the past to relive the destruction of the death star...

[YWD67]

Or send them into a temporal vortex or something and collapse it behind them, leave'em stuck in the past to relive the destruction of the death star...

Or better yet you Swedish sausage smoker, discover a vortex time space vagina and get laid.
You will be amazed how fast a topic like this will seem like BS once you discover real sex.
All those years jerking off to Data will realy seem wasted.

You can thank me later my friend.

And Signa you can eat my crusty brown shorts.
That is when Pooter is done..

[Signa]

What the hell did I do this time?! I'm not the one that dragged this up. I've NEVER dragged this up, but only responded to it when some one else does.

[YWD67]

What the hell did I do this time?! I'm not the one that dragged this up. I've NEVER dragged this up, but only responded to it when some one else does.

It's called a preemptive strike!
Don't be play all innocent with me Vader.
I know you were skulking about a few light years away getting ready to make your faster then light jump here pal.

[Signa]

Vader? Let me tell you something, I'm 100x more Q than I am Vader.

[moneoa]

*sigh*
Enterprise may win because cloning is much like inbreeding and would create an imperial army with genetic defects and anomolies after so many decades of reusing the same genetic material as shown in the TNG episode "Up the long ladder" Season 2, Episode 18 where the same things happened to some lost earth colonists

[Signa]

It's answers like that, that makes me understand why this thread has gone on so long. There is a lot of information rich lore in each universe to support each claim.

[YWD67]

It's answers like that, that makes me understand why this thread has gone on so long. There is a lot of information rich lore in each universe to support each claim.

Cram it you genetic defect.