BayTSP Launches New Service That Identifies First Uploads To EDonkey, Bit Torrent P2P

[Lord_of_the_Dense]

BayTSP, a leading provider of online intellectual property monitoring and compliance systems, announced FirstSource, an automated system that identifies the first users to upload copyright- or trademark-protected content to the eDonkey and Bit Torrent peer-to-peer (P2P) networks.

Identifying the first individuals who upload illegal content allows companies to track all subsequent users who download and share a particular file. Initial tests of the FirstSource service indicate that several thousand copies of a movie available for download on the eDonkey and Bit Torrent networks can be traced back to the initial uploaded file.

"Pirated copies of movies and software typically appear online within hours of release," said Mark Ishikawa, CEO of BayTSP. "Identifying and taking action against the first uploaders can greatly slow the distribution of illegally-obtained intellectual property and might make users think twice before doing it."

Read entire story here (http://www.mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=75541) .

[Mels_Smileys45]

Holy shit! Thats fucked up! Glad I went back to Winmx. Screw BT and everything else too

[Psilaxs]

unless they can levy a lawsuit against him before the file finishes uploading this will not slow propagation of the new release.

[Mels_Smileys45]

I think they are trying to scare people into not uploading a new file at all.

[nukehella]

Woof woof.

[eivioolla]

So let the first seed use an anonymous proxy... This would be good if we could say that they're only after the first source. Then the first source could use a proxy or a proxy chain, no problem. It's much worse if they're after anyone who participates, because it won't work if all peers are proxied.

[ferrarimodena360]

i am a ripper - and thats not good at all

[cuplatnum]

It sounds like to get this to work if it really does work the orginal file would have to have this tracking drm installed if i am correct. Well the hardcore pirates will just strip this drm like evey other drm. Baytsp is just trying to sell a product to stupid companies that no idea how p2p tech, really works campanies like bay make claims like this all the time

[cuplatnum]

Holy shit! Thats fucked up! Glad I went back to Winmx. Screw BT and everything else too I bet two weeks ago you were also saying this is the end of bittorent and p2p if you going to get that scared everytime the riaa and company says there bullshit just go use musicmatch and press play for all we know they are tracking winmx too
.

[meyou123]

I bet two weeks ago you were also saying this is the end of bittorent and p2p if you going to get that scared everytime the riaa and company says there bullshit just go use musicmatch and press play for all we know they are tracking winmx too
.


LOL!! People "get jumpy" for no reason. Do you actually think pirates are gonna leave DRM on their releases?

[Mels_Smileys45]

WTF? This is NOT about DRM. This is about a network crawler that can trace back where the file came from. Nothing to worry about if you don't ever rip your own copies or have any new content to share.


I've been saying the end of BT is coming for over a year. Suprnova had nothing to do with it.

[method]

This is going to make it easier to detect BayTSP.

The cockier they get... the more they expose themselves.

[Afn]

i am a ripper - and thats not good at allIt is just scare bull shit. Use multiple networks, small networks first then larger networks.

[cuplatnum]

WTF? This is NOT about DRM. This is about a network crawler that can trace back where the file came from. Nothing to worry about if you don't ever rip your own copies or have any new content to share. How the hell is a network crawler going to be able to know where a file originated a a ripper does not copy your ip address. If that is a crawler it sounds even dumber then I first thought

[MushroomheadXIII]

Damn that's scary, edonkey - i don't give a shit but bt?!?!?!? Luckily i live in Holland where they don't give a shit and they let cocaine dealers through the airport is they have under a certain amount!!!

[Mels_Smileys45]

How the hell is a network crawler going to be able to know where a file originated a a ripper does not copy your ip address. If that is a crawler it sounds even dumber then I first thought

Ok dude read the artical before posting please and listen when people tell you this IS going to be bad for some people, till this shit is blocked.

FirstSource monitors for the first uploads of a client's intellectual property to the eDonkey and Bit Torrent networks. When the system spots a file name matching the client's content, it initiates a download to confirm that the file is what it appears to be. Once the content is validated, the system captures the IP (Internet Protocol) address and identifying information of other users downloading and sharing the pirated material.

[Mels_Smileys45]

It is just scare bull shit. Use multiple networks, small networks first then larger networks.

If your first to show up on the large network, your still screwed!

Dismissing this warning would not be wise. It seems they are going to target the real sources of the files. If they do arrest a few of the release group people you best believe shit will halt really fucking faston BT. So far everything I've predicted for BT has happened. I would think they would slap these people with criminal charges. Saying its just bullshit when you really don't know is irresponsible. Listen to what they are telling and then find away to block this shit or just pretend every things peachy and take a risk.

[eivioolla]

How the hell is a network crawler going to be able to know where a file originated a a ripper does not copy your ip address. If that is a crawler it sounds even dumber then I first thought

Did you even read the original post? "an automated system that identifies the first users to upload copyright- or trademark-protected content to the eDonkey and Bit Torrent peer-to-peer (P2P) networks." Can't put it much more clearly. What the hell does any of that have to do with ripping?

[eivioolla]

If your first to show up on the large network, your still screwed!

If you're going to release something, simply use a proxy. When they notice the Russian IP, they will move on to the next one. The fact that the original seeder uses a proxy, will not significantly slow down the sharing process.

[Mels_Smileys45]

If you're going to release something, simply use a proxy. When they notice the Russian IP, they will move on to the next one. The fact that the original seeder uses a proxy, will not significantly slow down the sharing process.


I would say thats the best idea but even using a proxy you are not 100% safe. Its time to wait and see whats up.

[cuplatnum]

Damn Mels_Smileys45 stop taking this so personal I was not talking shit on you well the first reply i was because winmx just sucks. Anyway i found a better artical and I understand what it does now still a load of shit.

[Mels_Smileys45]

I have little tolerance for people who don't read and just post random BS.

Ok dude read the article before posting please

How does that sound like I was taking it personal? This is a real threat. It should be looked into instead of people just shouting bullshit when they are clueless.

I'm here to help people, not steer them into a trap.

[Mels_Smileys45]

well the first reply i was because winmx just sucks. .

and I don't care if you think winmx sucks! lol

I think its the best network for what I need but thats just my opinion and experience.

[Mels_Smileys45]

EDIT: the stupid post was deleted, wish I would have quoted it.

OK this is stupid. What the fuck are you talking about? Its not fucking DRM. Fuck! This is a simple concept, even a caveman could figure it out. Well maybe not. The file is found by a bot when it appears on the network, its then downloaded by the bot and identified. Then the first persons IP is recorded along with anyone else who may be grabbing the file. BT is easy like that. Emule is too.

If it was a DRMed file it would not need tracing.

[meyou123]

Well @ Mell _smileys45...first of all, I thought the file ITSELF might have some kind of file added to it that made it traceable, THAT was what I was refering to DRM for. But if that is not the case, then it may be a matter of finding a way to block the monitoring process of new, uploaded files on the edonkey and BT networks.

[Mels_Smileys45]

Now you got it. A way needs to be found to block them out.

[Mels_Smileys45]

That post you deleted was pretty fucking insulting and dumb. My post was a response to yours.
You kept bringing up DRM when it has nothing to do with this and I don't even know where you got that from. So I corrected you.

[meyou123]

That post you deleted was pretty fucking insulting and dumb. My post was a response to yours.
You kept bringing up DRM when it has nothing to do with this and I don't even know where you got that from. So I corrected you.


Look, all I did was have a theory about what was happening.... that they might have had a small file encrypted to be able to trace the uploaded file to it's original owner. You may think it is dumb and that all you are doing is correcting someone, But you don't even understand how "insuling" (to use your own words) you sounded when all you did was flame me for not agreeing with you! If you are really trying to help...how about comming down off your self rightious perch and realizing that there is more than one view besides your own?

[Mels_Smileys45]

There is no view on how this works. They tell you how it works in the article.

You started flaming first in the post you deleted. If you think I flamed you, you have no idea how bad it would be if I really did flame on but thats not what I'm here to do.

Im sorry you felt the need to curse me out but lets keep this thread on track and talk about BayTSP not DRM

[meyou123]

There is no view on how this works. They tell you how it works in the article.

You started flaming first in the post you deleted. If you think I flamed you, you have no idea how bad it would be if I really did flame on.

Im sorry you felt the need to curse me out but lets keep this thread on track and talk about BayTSP not DRM


You asked what thev fuck I was talking about? Remember? I just told you what I thought was up. Now you may or may not agree with me or anyone else, but just because someone does not agree with what you say you don't need to have an attitude twords them that you feel the need to talk down to them. Try talking to people like human beings that can make mistakes and not some machines never making a mistake. And as far as my flame, I will remove it. Now, that being said, as far as you threat about you "flaming on" ....does not scare me in the least. So lets try to keep this at a sane level. OK?


Now as far as the subject, I am just hoping that they can find way to easily identify this software that downloads part of the file, verifies it as legit and then reports the IP address. In that process, there has got to be some way of keeping it from identifying the IP address. How they are gonna do that I don't know. But proxies may or may not even work against this software. I am pretty sure that they have already thought of people using a proxy address, if they are going after people who already have knowledge of proxies and how to use them.

[Mels_Smileys45]

When I said "what the fuck are you talking about" I was actually making a direct quote from the 1st flame post you posted and then deleted. ( a mod can check this )Those are the words you said to me. I started talking down to you because of that post you made. You realized how crazy or wrong that post was and deleted it. Anyone could tell when reading that post, you had not read the story.

I was trying to get the thread talking about what was really going on because I did read the article. Lets move on now. :;)

[cuplatnum]

Ok dude read the article before posting please I read a different artical the posted on this form was misleading all it said was it can trace back the original uploaders

[Mels_Smileys45]

I read a different artical the posted on this form was misleading all it said was it can trace back the original uploaders


Fair enough, that could happen. :tilted

[Lord_of_the_Dense]

Whew.....!

[infringer]

I'm with Mels_Smileys45 On this one I seriously believe this could be a threat for fileshares...

According to the article it dosent sound like its affecting other networks this could only mean that there is some type of logging that is done by larger nodes on the servers.... We all know a tracker has enormous benifits but the pitfalls of the tracker will be enormous as well... If this were a built in string that is rendered by ripping or encoding the video I believe that the freeware coders would have known about this for now when they release software for encoding video's or audio they would probably set that area to a defunct type origination or ID already or at least I would think... Any of these coders with the knowladge of agorythims in great depth would know that something isnt right when I encode this music video there is hex charecters implanted into the file that read my IP or Hardware ID's in ASCII ... So as far as that goes its highly unlikely that this would be the case as it would be broad as daylight that this string should not be there...

But as far as the trackers go and networks that use central servers and such its not that impossible to believe due to the outsourcing and finding of sources ...

Another philosiphy is that the actual ed2k links or hash files have something personal within the link which they use to hash the file on the network... If this is the case they need to fix this and this should have never been implemented from the start they were basically asking for it...

I think a great part of what is going on is more then meets the eye who really knows I know that its not hard to believe or irrelevant knowladge I know there is ways of tracking your web activity though as well through spidering and such they can retrieve lots of information about an end user and his or her habits online kinda cheesy just another direct violation of what I believe to be our rights to privacy releasing a file shouldnt have to be of concern...

My other idea or theory of how this could be possible is that IRC servers are working in conjunction with some organizations for some money the IRC servers send logs of incomming and outgoing transmissions. As we all know most files originate from IRC then work there way onto P2P programs next... Which makes me again wonder about all of this because if they are truely getting the original releaser of a program in many cases that would take it back to the transmission that took place on good old IRC...

So if it is through the tracker which they are figuring out the original release from or ed2k link they are not getting the person who originally released the file but the person who moves it onto the P2P networks instead....

So in respect to the normal way of things flowing they are getting the person sharing it on a P2P network if I read this correct so they are wrong in saying the originating source of where the file came from...

Something about this articale dont add up any more information you have though please dont feel shy and share it.

Unfortunately short of some type of futuristic way of sharing files right now it seems that this would be possible on other networks as well if I did my homework correctly dunno bout winmx but who knows anythings possible.

But as the article reads it seems to have no mention on an impact of other networks ...

I highly doubt its just a way to fluster or "scare" the filesharing community cause they would have taken a stab at a lot of other scare tactics by now if that was the case. There is somewhere relevant information to the file which is released on to the networks read in the articale that links the file to a user on the network.

The problem is is getting the ins and outs of what they are using as the tracking device weather it would be log files of some sort of spidering software or maybe even linked to the very hash or ed2k link or tracker which is on the network there is personal information being stored in some manner and I think the software coders need to figure this out and give a real security statement before we can say for sure what it is I can only reason that it is not in relation to the originating computer because if it is to the originating computer then that means that somehow the encoding process adds user specific information into the encoding of the file which again I must say I highly doubt that one would slip by a real coders sight....

Chances are it is linked to the network link or the tracker or some type of network logging procedure which takes place and is sent via the network itself or obtained via some type of spidering method...

Either way it is important that we figure out what is the flaw which is being exploited and fix it!!!


-infringer-

[Mels_Smileys45]

MI wrote a good article for Slyck and also got a chance to ask BayTSP some questions.

http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=638

"California based BayTSP are mercenaries to Hollywood, hired for their technical expertise. They track files which infringe on copyrights, wherever they may appear online. Using the gathered information, they provide their clients with the opportunity to send DMCA take down notices to anyone taking part in the infringement.

The information is also used by the RIAA and MPAA to sue individual file sharers.

The industry has so far been unable, or unwilling, to target all file sharers acquiring and sharing the latest files. With the chance of getting caught remaining low, the work of BayTSP has not acted as a deterrent.

However, new software from BayTSP, dubbed “FirstSource”, aims to end file sharer’s safety in numbers. The press release explains,

“FirstSource monitors for the first uploads of a client's intellectual property to the eDonkey and Bit Torrent networks. When the system spots a file name matching the client's content, it initiates a download to confirm that the file is what it appears to be. Once the content is validated, the system captures the IP (Internet Protocol) address and identifying information of other users downloading and sharing the pirated material.”

The software therefore acts to stop copyright infringement occurring on eDonkey and BitTorrent, rather than to simply stem the flow.

“The goal of the system is to make people think twice about being the first to upload a film or piece of software to those two networks. BayTSP's system already spots and collects information on people sharing. The main difference now is that it can spot the first handful of individuals,” Jim Graham, spokesperson for BayTSP, told Slyck.

The software is already being used by software companies and the MPAA. Graham does not know if the RIAA are among their clients using this software, though. He questions how effective it would be for smaller files such as singles and albums anyway.

“This is primarily targeted at movies and software,” he said.

The potential of the software could be devastating to the film and software sharing communities if the original seeds do not find a way to protect themselves."

[infringer]

Wonder if 5 folks agreed to log on at the same time and seed the file all at once if there first person seeding detector would be worth a chit as it probably only looks for files with one source....

If not then there is some date of release mechanisim built into the tracker or link or the company keeps the robot on with a constant updated database of whats been and what is being transmitted and any new entry into the database is flagged as a new entry onto the network thus linking it to the originating IP on the network but not the originating computer from which the file came in most cases there has got to be a way to stop this robot from taking advantage of these networks there are keywords which are probably targetted and looked for which are updated upon every music and movie release as well...

One way around this if edonkey placed in there EULA or Bit Torrent placed in there EULA that the use of robots on this program are not permitted and if used you could recieve a penalty or some type of ban or fine. That would help out a bit as people would have a valid argument that they were using a robot which was not allowed on the network .... So they violated the terms of service thus slapping the lawsuit right back into the RIAA/MPAA's Face!

-infringer-

[Mels_Smileys45]

Its not an actual robot ya know. Its just a program that looks for key words. Theres really noway to stop people from using software to search for files. BayTSP is hired to look for file names and find out whos sharing them. If several sources jump up, I bet it would look into all of them and see who seeded each one. There are bound to be more versions than one of each file anyway. I'm sure they thought of that. I don't think there is any user info stored in any hash links. These bots just probably are fast at what they do. I imagine they make an ungodly amount of searches per minute. Finding new files that they are supposed to be on the look out for fast, like the latest cam rip, as soon as someone signs on with it. I don't think this is too over complicated especially when it comes to BT.

[method]

For BayTSP to identify seeders of content... they'll have to poll site/trackers regularly.

If the trackers and sites use IP logging, they could identify a handful of IP addresses that connect every day or every x-amount of hours/minutes. - If they force sessions cookies to be used, they could even detect BayTSP when they're using different proxies!!

There are other ways... but I'd rather share those methods of detection with BT tracker/site owners rather than post it somewhere that BayTSP could easily find it.

Doing this, we could even provide false positives to BayTSP... making them think 63.161.169.137 is a seeder for the latest movies!! (and then figuring out who in the Whitehouse they should send the cease & desist demand to!!) :;)

If we can flood their software with false positives and make their evidence questionable it'll allow a lot of cases to be dismissed. This could do more good than the usual act of just blocking them.. as it would help others get out legal action.

[Afn]

The potential of the software could be devastating to the film and software sharing communities if the original seeds do not find a way to protect themselves."You are reading a press release. This company wants to get money so they can prove or show that they are good corporate players.

Remember that new revolutionary copy protection system? The one that was defeated with a marker?

Blocking IP's and alternative, multiple distribution systems will keep the pigopolists from total control. All of the major studios are now owned by transnational corporations. The fight will be international, but so are the programmers. In the end, the people get what they want.

We will have one hell of a depression if content industries crash. Then that is to be expected. It should be a fun ride.

[crackerjacker]

For BayTSP to identify seeders of content... they'll have to poll site/trackers regularly.

If the trackers and sites use IP logging, they could identify a handful of IP addresses that connect every day or every x-amount of hours/minutes. - If they force sessions cookies to be used, they could even detect BayTSP when they're using different proxies!!

There are other ways... but I'd rather share those methods of detection with BT tracker/site owners rather than post it somewhere that BayTSP could easily find it.

Doing this, we could even provide false positives to BayTSP... making them think 63.161.169.137 is a seeder for the latest movies!! (and then figuring out who in the Whitehouse they should send the cease & desist demand to!!) :;)

If we can flood their software with false positives and make their evidence questionable it'll allow a lot of cases to be dismissed. This could do more good than the usual act of just blocking them.. as it would help others get out legal action.


sounds like a good plan.
;)

[cjules13]

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

Man! BT has never been better for me! The MPAAs "Tracker-shutdown-project" did absolutely jack squat. The releases are coming faster and faster and better quality all the time.

You think BayTSP can track every single BT tracker? Since when was the first seeder not clearly identified ANYWAY on BT. You don't need fancy software to figure this shit out.

It's FUD tactics all the way.

[black_magiic]

What happens with all this when eXeem comes out, if enough people switch will it not make this some what useless. I will say that I did not read the article, but I did think of this while reading everyones posts. Just a thought, probably wrong though

[meyou123]

What happens with all this when eXeem comes out, if enough people switch will it not make this some what useless. I will say that I did not read the article, but I did think of this while reading everyones posts. Just a thought, probably wrong though


Well there are differing opinions on what exeem is capable of. Some do not believe that exeem is any more secure than using standard BT protocol, others believe that it is a start in increasing security in BT, while others believe that it is a complete sham. Until it has a public beta, there is no way to really know for sure.

But you also have to look at the fact that the people who make this new tracking software are going to try to hype it up as much as they can. They want to show their bosses that they are trying to make a software that actually works and want to scare potential p2p seeders away.

I think it won't take the file sharing community long to adapt to this new software threat, now that they know it is there. They just have to analyze it and find out how it works before they come up with a plan to disable it. As was stated, this is the same kind of thing that happened when the music industry produced a "copy proof" CD. Then someone defeated it with nothing more than a magic marker. As I have stated before....it is a game of "cat and mouse".


Meanwhile, until this new form of software tracking is defeated, I will advise my friends to be very careful about using the BT or edonkey protocols. Better safe than sorry.

[freeloader767]

Why is it scary when you can simply use a proxy?

[xplosive]

Baytsp weird name must be a bunch of faggots, scarying people like that, should be ashamed of themselves, this now helps people like myself to block them, THANKS BAYTSP for that useful information very useful indeed, if all the agencys advise this it will be even better to block lovely excellent. :goodjob

[crackerjacker]

Why is it scary when you can simply use a proxy?
If you use a proxy its going to be slow as molasses, unless u can get a fast proxy then u wont wanna use a proxy. on the other hand u can pay for a proxy 10 bucks a month and then u can have a fast connection.

[cjules13]

And if they really wanted to they could get your real IP from the proxy company anyway...

[eivioolla]

If you use a proxy its going to be slow as molasses, unless u can get a fast proxy then u wont wanna use a proxy. on the other hand u can pay for a proxy 10 bucks a month and then u can have a fast connection.

In Bittorrent a slightly slower connection would only mean that the "ball" starts rolling a little slower, but once the blocks spread out, I'd presume it would speed up as usual.
Also Finding proxies that can transfer at least as fast as an average "broadband" is not hard at all. About logs, if there are any in the first place, they will probably be long overwritten before they can get the supboena filed. And if you use a Russian or Chinese proxy, the odds are that they get no where trying to contact the proxy owner. Of course nothing is fool proof, but I would be _very_ surprised if they could identify someone using an anonymous third world proxy. Oh and one more thing, I don't think the software will do anything to even identify whether the IP is actually proxy or not. It will record it as is and presume it is the uploader. Thus the MPAA would send some letter about copyright infringment to the proxy ISP who would perhaps forward it to the proxy owner who might not even still realize that they're running an open proxy and would be left wondering what's it all about. The fact that the proxies are left wide open means that their authors are not very tech savvy.

[infringer]

And if they really wanted to they could get your real IP from the proxy company anyway...
Though this may be true in most cases there are many countries that proxy information who will have really nothing to do with it as there rights to intellectual property is a bit more open in those countries not to mention some countries wouldnt cooperate just out of spite so if you had a proxy in lets say like Hong Kong or Russia one of these countries your info is pretty much safe but in truth the proxy server that you'd pay for if they gaurentee private browsing they gaurentee private browsing I almost wonder at times if it aint more so the ISP's cooperating with the government on a more often basis then what we really know cause it always seems the guy pushing volume is the guy that gets the DMCA ban I bet the ISP does there own type of checking to see which computers are hot commodities on every node then slaps em with the ban as well...

-infringer-

[notbob]

but how does it work?

my guess

1. get filenames from vcdquality
2. plug them into search bot
3. search network(s)
4. log the hits as the come in

no matter how you slice it, it doesn't stop releases, it just keeps the average guy on public systems from getting the file (after everyone panics because of threads like this one)

if you are using kazaa, winmx, or edonkey to get new releases, there isn't much hope for you anyway (and in bt you don't even need to use search bots, because the "releaser" is often named i.e.: "upped by" so and so, or credits themself in the info file)

[Mels_Smileys45]

no matter how you slice it, it doesn't stop releases, it just keeps the average guy on public systems from getting the file (after everyone panics because of threads like this one)




I think thats what they want.

[DwarfBaby]

So let the first seed use an anonymous proxy... This would be good if we could say that they're only after the first source. Then the first source could use a proxy or a proxy chain, no problem. It's much worse if they're after anyone who participates, because it won't work if all peers are proxied.

True, or it can be done the way it always has been. Released first on Newsgroups and IRC then let someone else propagate it on P2P.

[crackerjacker]

True, or it can be done the way it always has been. Released first on Newsgroups and IRC then let someone else propagate it on P2P.
actually it hits newsgroups second
it hits other thingies first. ;_)

[agent774]

Just to show everyone what happens....well....i downloaded somthing with bittorrent not aware of the new bayTSP program and my internet provider got a letter form them...the letter states as follows....
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Dear Sir or Madam:

BayTSP, Inc. ("BayTSP") swears under penalty of perjury that Paramount Pictures Corporation ("Paramount") has authorized BayTSP to act as its non-exclusive agent for copyright infringement notification. BayTSP's search of the protocol listed below has detected infringements of Paramount's copyright interests on your IP addresses as detailed in the attached report.

BayTSP has reasonable good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained of in the attached report is not authorized by Paramount, its agents, or the law. The information provided herein is accurate to the best of our knowledge. Therefore, this letter is an official notification to effect removal of the detected infringement listed in the attached report. The attached documentation specifies the exact location of the infringement.

We hereby request that you immediately remove or block access to the infringing material, as specified in the copyright laws, and insure the user refrains from using or sharing with others Paramount's materials in the future (see, 17 U.S.C. §512).

Further, we believe that the entire Internet community benefits when these matters are resolved cooperatively. We urge you to take immediate action to stop this infringing activity and inform us of the results of your actions. We appreciate your efforts toward this common goal.

Please send us a prompt response indicating the actions you have taken to resolve this matter. Please reference the Notice ID number above in your response.

Nothing in this letter shall serve as a waiver of any rights or remedies of Paramount with respect to the alleged infringement, all of which are expressly reserved. Should you need to contact me, I may be reached at the following address:

Mark Ishikawa
Chief Executive Officer
BayTSP, Inc.
PO Box 1314
Los Gatos, CA 95031

v: 408-341-2300
f: 408-341-2399
paramount-picture@copyright-compliance.com


This infringement notice contains an XML tag that can be used to automate the processing of this data. If you would like more information on how to use this tag please contact BayTSP.

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yeah so maybe you can tell me what i can to do stop these guys...anyway my internet provider sent me a letter including the letter seen above...

so my isp told me to delete it and not let it happen again or they will be forced to disable my internet connection....


their letter is as follows
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Dear Customer,

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it was on bittorent so i already stopped sharing it.....

can you give me some light on what i should do? anyone....

[cjules13]

just don't share it anymore, that's it.

You were just a peer and not the original uploader, so this is really nothing new. I'd say 50% of the movie downloaders here have received one of these.

[Afn]

Switch to encrypted networks. Facsism is alive and well thanks to dcma and other corporate controlled media. FTS.

[notbob]

Switch to encrypted networks. Facsism is alive and well thanks to dcma and other corporate controlled media. FTS.

encryption doesn't stop baytsp and similar companies, since they connect like any other user does, and if there is encryption in the system it is also decrypted by the client (filetopia, etc.)

encryption may be an answer when dealing with a network administrator or other 3rd party, but not when you are on a public p2p making direct point to point connections

[agent774]

just don't share it anymore, that's it.

You were just a peer and not the original uploader, so this is really nothing new. I'd say 50% of the movie downloaders here have received one of these.

but i was using bittorrent...so i guess i should leave bittorrent alone since you must upload while you download? No way to block it??

[shawners]

They will learn from my ripps that i put on my machine that my name is
shawn and NON-PROFIT is my computer name and company name.

[cjules13]

but i was using bittorrent...so i guess i should leave bittorrent alone since you must upload while you download? No way to block it??Well you completed the file and now you're done with it right? Just don't seed that same file anymore, which I doubt you will unless you're at a ratio requirement site. That's what I was saying...

Yes BT will always share, that's why it's such a fast network. You could go like me and most of the rest of us and just take your chances, or look into more secure options.

[agent774]

Well you completed the file and now you're done with it right? Just don't seed that same file anymore, which I doubt you will unless you're at a ratio requirement site. That's what I was saying...

Yes BT will always share, that's why it's such a fast network. You could go like me and most of the rest of us and just take your chances, or look into more secure options.


so is it better to not try to download newer files...that way i wont be one of the first seeders?

listen i just dont wanna pay any fines or crap...

[cjules13]

I guess so... I know they will be watching screener downloads and new mega-popular films like Shark Tale or whatever... but they theoretically could be watching any material.

If you want 100% security that you wno't be caught, BT is not for you. Only private DC hubs or newsgroups can offer this, and then still I wouldn't say 100%.

You can trade DVDs with your buddies, that should be safe...

[cjules13]

I forgot to welcome you to Zeropaid! :)

[agent774]

You can trade DVDs with your buddies, that should be safe...

lol thanks....