To Hell With Exeem

[notbob]

wait till an ad free version exists (it won't be long)

[hawkburn]

Yeh, it should take about a day after it's public beta release to get the "lite" version out.

[The Hunter]

Im in no rush myself, as i have a habbit of waiting until I get some reliable reports on how things work before I try anything.

[Siskabush]

Seems notbob doesnt understand the concept of trading currency.

They need to make some $$$ somehow so they can keep the site up. Servers, bandwidth, computers cost money.

If youre so hellbent on getting everything for free, move to Cuba :)

But on a side note, I will read the EULA througholy, just to make sure there is no SPYWARE in it. I can live with a few ads built into the program window.

[rebirth]

Im in no rush myself, as i have a habbit of waiting until I get some reliable reports on how things work before I try anything.

What he said^

[notbob]

Seems notbob doesnt understand the concept of trading currency.

They need to make some $$$ somehow so they can keep the site up. Servers, bandwidth, computers cost money.

If youre so hellbent on getting everything for free, move to Cuba :)

But on a side note, I will read the EULA througholy, just to make sure there is no SPYWARE in it. I can live with a few ads built into the program window.

the entire point of a serverless BT (in this case, exeem) is to remove the need for a server, and to pass the bandwidth needs onto users

why should sloncec (or and for profit p2p pimp) make money on your bandwidth and your cpu time?

nobody ever puts spyware in a beta version--you have to be popular to be able to get away with that

(good to see your cyrillic is working out)

[Watchmen]

The thing that concerns me is the amount of control the developer's have shown that they in fact *do have* over teh new network by the ability to lock others out that do not possess a valid serial number or key to use the program. This suggests some type of registration server, i.e., "centralisation".
Also if every client is also tracker why is there even a need for torrents anymore? What is the difference between this any other alledged 'decentralised' "serverless" network that supports partial file sharing such as limewirepro and or edonkey2000?

[Lord_of_the_Dense]

Moved to the ALL-NEW Exeem forum. ;)

[Compy]

Also please note guys that exeem doesnt use the typical torrents etc, its its own "BT Like" protocol, It uses a modified format. Im not a big fan of what its becoming, i havnt heard too many good reviews on it from beta testers as ive seen. And the information I got above came from sloncek himself on an interview.

I dont think Bram will be too happy either ;)

[The Hunter]

As a note, a good friend, and someone whos opinion i trust to give a good and through test of this program, was turned down as a tester. He has tested many other programs, and his opinion is respected. This makes me wonder what they are trying to hide?

[tsafa1]

They need to make some $$$ somehow so they can keep the site up. Servers, bandwidth, computers cost money.



Seems to me on a decentralized system, they are using users bandwidth, cpu power, harddrive space. If any money it should be exchanged, they should be sending checks out to users.

[ziadziad1]

hey, i just got exeem, i need a cdkey tho, anyone have one?

[moneoa]

hey, i just got exeem, i need a cdkey tho, anyone have one?

No and please dont request keys my friend, google it but this is not a warez site

[notbob]

No and please dont request keys my friend, godle it but this is not a warez site

a key for a free beta program is not warez

[moneoa]

a key for a free beta program is not warez
not free beta, closed private beta owned by a corporate entity.
If it was so public and accessable everyone would have keys and the exe
and they would not give a shit.

until the nature of the owners are clear it's better safe than sorry

[notbob]

not free beta, closed private beta owned by a corporate entity.
If it was so public and accessable everyone would have keys and the exe
and they would not give a shit.

until the nature of the owners are clear it's better safe than sorry

give me a break

a program used to violate copyrights, created by an eastern european high school student that couldn't keep his website up with the slightest hint of a lawsuit

do you think he'll sue?

get real

[fireforce555]

give me a break

a program used to violate copyrights, created by an eastern european high school student that couldn't keep his website up with the slightest hint of a lawsuit

do you think he'll sue?

get real



LOL!

I cant hold back my laughter about this comment. Dude you literally had me laugh out loud!

[nms04]

i don't care abut ad's as long as they don't add spy / adware! i hopewe will be able to check it out soon ;)

[moneoa]

give me a break

a program used to violate copyrights, created by an eastern european high school student that couldn't keep his website up with the slightest hint of a lawsuit

do you think he'll sue?

get real
Hype and Garbage. He has already admitted he's nothing but a mouth piece
Its a marketing gimmic, a sham. Exeem has nothing to do with Suprnova.

In case you havent heard Sharman Networks is just as pissy with thier adware/spyware ridden garbage but it didnt really stop them from pissing on unathourized copies of its copyright infringing program.

Give me a break, get real

LOL!

I cant hold back my laughter about this comment. Dude you literally had me laugh out loud!
Thats the point of the circus isnt it? :P

[fireforce555]

What I dont get is they say its "decentralized" yet they can lock out unauthorized users. In theory isnt that impossible. In a truely decentralized network like say gnutella anyone could log in and basically create a smaller network and eventually users could join both and bridge that gap to combine.

If you can lock people out, its not really decentralized, its very controlled. I figure it like this, if you can control it, you can just as easily shut it down in a heartbeat to.


Or am I missing something?

[notbob]

Hype and Garbage. He has already admitted he's nothing but a mouth piece
Its a marketing gimmic, a sham. Exeem has nothing to do with Suprnova.

In case you havent heard Sharman Networks is just as pissy with thier adware/spyware ridden garbage but it didnt really stop them from pissing on unathourized copies of its copyright infringing program.

Give me a break, get real


Thats the point of the circus isnt it? :P


keys are irrelevant at this point anyway

they were cracked, and the program is being reverse engineered--they can whine all they want, but that's what happens when you use public code

[moneoa]

keys are irrelevant at this point anyway

they were cracked, and the program is being reverse engineered--they can whine all they want, but that's what happens when you use public code
Thats what I believe, the program itself is useless, its when competent programmers get ahold of the code and really make good shit with it.

I think the Idea of what exeem could be is what will make the next gen of software

[Undying Wizard NHD]

I actually agree with notbob on somthing, wow has hell frozz over ?

[infringer]

Today, 12:38 AM #20
fireforce555
Registered User




Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 322 What I dont get is they say its "decentralized" yet they can lock out unauthorized users. In theory isnt that impossible. In a truely decentralized network like say gnutella anyone could log in and basically create a smaller network and eventually users could join both and bridge that gap to combine.

If you can lock people out, its not really decentralized, its very controlled. I figure it like this, if you can control it, you can just as easily shut it down in a heartbeat to.


Or am I missing something?


On a decentralized network cannot be shut down in truth as long as you have a user base using the same network protocal the decentralized network will remain if it is truely decentralized. The only thing they can do to block infringing makes of the program so to speak is to look for and block minor diffences in protocals upon searching or sizes of the files or files which the program uses to operate this can be spoofed to report that everything checks out and it is the correct program it is a game of cat and mouse when you have program knock offs they simply look for differnces and add in code that says if this is the case block this program from access to the network once the block is imposed then the coder figures out the target which is causing the block and modifies its code to report to other computers running the true software on the network the correct response even though it probably is just a dummy response. Basically you create your own subroutine that filters a certain command and responds to say yeap this is the case.

The only downfall to knockoffs is without someone analyzing the knock off programs code they could be in effect leaving a backdoor to obtain some hidden goal for themselves this is always a possible vulnerability, weather it would be that they add in some command that says if this person is using my software and if the the nick FASTMOFO is used give that person #1 que slot for all instances... Its a bummer but it has and will happen these coders are not as dumb as you think they know there own code and love to add little upperhand advantages like the one I just explained.

I hope the person that codes the program or reverse engineers is not this type of person but most people who are into cracking code and slapping together versions like this do add in there little upperhand exploits to give them the upperhand. I hope this is not the case we will see.

The true way to file sharing freedom with bit torrent will be decentralized addfree/spywarefree and completely annonymous IMHO when that goal is achived and the code is combed over with a fine tooth comb to make sure there is no implimented upperhand exploits or security exploits then we wont need to worry about light at the end of the tunnel because there will be light inside the tunnel as well.

-infringer-

[meyou123]

The true way to file sharing freedom with bit torrent will be decentralized addfree/spywarefree and completely annonymous IMHO when that goal is achived and the code is combed over with a fine tooth comb to make sure there is no implimented upperhand exploits or security exploits then we wont need to worry about light at the end of the tunnel because there will be light inside the tunnel as well.

-infringer-



I don't think this will happen...... even when hell freezes over! Look, it has always been a game of "cat and mouse" between the have's(copyright holders) and have-not's(P2P users). The "have-not's" make a P2P program and the "haves" come along and sue the makers or the people using it, you make it anonmyous and they will try to make anonymous file sharing illegal. It is all a game of cat and mouse. Don't fool yourself into thinking that even IF some "perfect" P2P app is made.... that the "haves" will not try to come along and take it away. They always have and always will. The best you can hope for is to have a program made for the torrent network that will keep them at bay. Hopefully either this program or a program made from the principle it is built on, can do that. But that really is all you can do as long as big corporate "bullys" are allowed to sue everyone in sight that they think is a pirate.

[infringer]

They can try to take it away but if its decentralized it will not be takken away so to speak bottom line.... No matter what filesharing of copywrighted goods are illegal and there already taking away p2p programs as it is and making it illegal to use them but ... guess what they can try to take away anonymous decentralized filesharing until there blue in the face and they will not beable to do it.... because as long as folks use the software which provides the network protocal it will still work. If they shut down ports they will have to shut down each and every port which would leave no internet its the next logical step annoymous decentrialized networks and for each one they make illegal that is annoymous there will be another annoymous one to pop up with the ability to download the file from some safe location like hong kong or something.

Hosting warez is illegal hosting MP3's is illegal but guess what theres still tons of websites that host the material which are out of the jurisdiction. It will be the same chit differnt smell with annoymous P2P I am really shocked at the amount of people who downplay the benifits of annoymous P2P and try to drive it into the dirt as if its some bad idea not to want to get caught for sharing a movie or a song from there PC...

Anonymous and decentrialized P2P is the way to go I have thought about your suggestion as well and reasoned well if this would happen that would happen in cat in mouse in the game of cat in mouse would you rather not be the mouse that can squeeze into a spot which the cat cannot find you?

Truth is there is works already of annoymous P2P and rather then shunning it embrace it because the rabbit is already out of the hat so weather or not they make it illegal or not to have annoymous P2P it dosent matter makers will still make annoymous P2P apps and they will be available as well... And as it progresses and gains popularity and is host to tons more files you will soon be retracting the bashing placed on annomity and embracing it to that is unless you dont get hit with a lawsuit or an ISP ban first.

-infringer-

[ferrarimodena360]

who has actually tried it, is it good?

[fireforce555]

Hasnt the "cat and mouse" element always been one of the fun parts of filesharing? That was always one of the fun parts of kazaa for me. It was the massive influx of fake/corrupt files that made me finally leave that network. :(

[evilmegaman]

Does EXEEM have a homepage? I have been wondering this..

[MushroomheadXIII]

I've been managing on torrentreactor but, like Hunter said, i will also wait till there are more reliable reports/comments coming around.

[cjules13]

I think sloncek deserves a little more credit... The guy was largely responsible for holding a site up with 420000 unique hits a day, and millions of users... we all got slammed when we visted suprnova.org with pop-ups and banner ads, so now a banner ad in the app? What's the big fuckin deal? Yeah I can see before he needed extra loot to keep up with bandwidth problems, but still...

And before we all slam it too hard, why not wait and at least try it out for a week first... I'm fairly certain nothing is going to separate me from Azureus anytime soon, but definitely worth a look.

[notbob]

I think sloncek deserves a little more credit... The guy was largely responsible for holding a site up with 420000 unique hits a day, and millions of users... we all got slammed when we visted suprnova.org with pop-ups and banner ads, so now a banner ad in the app? What's the big ------- deal? Yeah I can see before he needed extra loot to keep up with bandwidth problems, but still...
.

i never saw an ad

viva firefox!

[ferrarimodena360]

dunno if it has been asnwered before, does it have just add banner or bundled spyware
i can deal with adbar but not spyware

[napho]

i never saw an ad

viva firefox!


I'm a little torn here. When I first came online there were dozens of free isp's with advertising bars. Then a program called BewareOfDog made the ads disappear; just as quickly virtually all the free isp's were gone too. Methinks cutting off your whatever to spite your face. I can't complain though, I use AdMuncher.

[moneoa]

Does EXEEM have a homepage? I have been wondering this..
exeem.com but its not live yet
I'm a little torn here. When I first came online there were dozens of free isp's with advertising bars. Then a program called BewareOfDog made the ads disappear; just as quickly virtually all the free isp's were gone too. Methinks cutting off your whatever to spite your face. I can't complain though, I use AdMuncher.
Free internet for the masses, wow I remember those pipe dreams....lol Netzero, Juno, Freewwweb...It was a noble dream but fell right apart when people were more than willing to use the free bandwidth but not deal with the shitty ad windows. :fire

[Malicious Intent]

The program uses Cydoor, which will not be optional.

Cydoor comes as certain packages. These run from simple random banner ads to full-out spyware. Warez P2P uses Cydoor, but only for the basic banner adverts.

We dont know what package eXeem is going to use.

[DeadMan]

Get your Spyware blocker ready upon install!

[infringer]

Yeah spybot search and destroy handles a lot of these issues as I like to call them trying to profit off of the bandwidth and files shared by individuals is the wrong way to go about it in the filesharing sense you'd be supprised how many folks would gladly donate for the cause if there was no spyware or addware just collect donations and call it good screw the spyware if you go about it in the way of spyware and lame banner adds folks will be swift to scoop up the next knock off of your program.

Keep it free and take donations seems to be the best way to go about making this type of application.

-infringer-

[Rajarius]

Cydor is easily removed. Quit panicking.

[malty]

$$$$$$$$$$$$$ is the name of this game that the end

[Mels_Smileys45]

As long as they're upfront with it, no big deal. Having a choice is good, either being able to opt out of any spyware or opting to not use the program. As long as they are not sneaking shit past people more power to em'. If for only one thing, its just great to have something do anything in this dust bowl of P2P advancements. Gawd bless em. I doubt I'll use their program

[meyou123]

They can try to take it away but if its decentralized it will not be takken away so to speak bottom line.... No matter what filesharing of copywrighted goods are illegal and there already taking away p2p programs as it is and making it illegal to use them but ... guess what they can try to take away anonymous decentralized filesharing until there blue in the face and they will not beable to do it.... because as long as folks use the software which provides the network protocal it will still work. If they shut down ports they will have to shut down each and every port which would leave no internet its the next logical step annoymous decentrialized networks and for each one they make illegal that is annoymous there will be another annoymous one to pop up with the ability to download the file from some safe location like hong kong or something.

Hosting warez is illegal hosting MP3's is illegal but guess what theres still tons of websites that host the material which are out of the jurisdiction. It will be the same chit differnt smell with annoymous P2P I am really shocked at the amount of people who downplay the benifits of annoymous P2P and try to drive it into the dirt as if its some bad idea not to want to get caught for sharing a movie or a song from there PC...

Anonymous and decentrialized P2P is the way to go I have thought about your suggestion as well and reasoned well if this would happen that would happen in cat in mouse in the game of cat in mouse would you rather not be the mouse that can squeeze into a spot which the cat cannot find you?

Truth is there is works already of annoymous P2P and rather then shunning it embrace it because the rabbit is already out of the hat so weather or not they make it illegal or not to have annoymous P2P it dosent matter makers will still make annoymous P2P apps and they will be available as well... And as it progresses and gains popularity and is host to tons more files you will soon be retracting the bashing placed on annomity and embracing it to that is unless you dont get hit with a lawsuit or an ISP ban first.

-infringer-


In the first place...I don't know where you are getting off saying I am BASHING anonymous filesharing! I am NOT! But to fool yourself into thinking that the copyright holders would just stand by and not try to do anything about it is foolish! I simply stated facts. It is a fact that the people that hold the copyrights will try to do anything in their power to stop anonmyous P2P if it ever catches on and gets big enough. Don't believe me?....let it get as big as the old napster network or kazzaa and see.

They have already proven that they don't care about suing 14 year olds so what makes you think that they will play "Mr. nice guy" when anonomyous file sharing comes out? I am not downplaying anything, I merely stated a fact that copyright holders will hire even bigger guns if this goes ahead. Do I want it that way? No! But I am not foolish enough to be lulled to sleep by the promises of anonymous filesharing. It isn't even here yet so there really is no point debating the issue.

You act like I have something against anonymous filesharing.....please re-read my statements. I did not say anything about me rooting for the RIAA or MPAA team, but merely stating caution. There is a saying...."never underestimate your enemy".....filesharers would do well to heed that advice when it comes to the RIAA and MPAA. These clowns will stop at nothing to achive their goal.

So I am not going to "retract" anything I said! What I said is the truth, you can believe it or not, but just because you don't agree with it, does not mean that it isn't true.

[jurkel]

Knowing it's another spyware/adware filled piece of crap like Kazaa, I won't be touching Exeem. If somebody comes out with a lite version I'll give it a shot, but this whole endeavor has no future. Open-source, decentralized, secure, and anonymous p2p is what we need. I have no faith in a for-profit company to provide us anything but promises.