The Electrinic Frontier Foundation Sponsors TOR

[AussieMatt]

The Electronic Frontier Foundation is now sponsoring the TOR project .This could be of great interest to the developers Anonymous projects like AntsP2p and Hornetp2p .Bitz the developer of Hornet has proposed that he may use TOR for bootstraping and chat in his beta release of Hornetp2p .

Anonymous technology needs the backing of such organisations like the EFF who by the way have stated they will only support open source projects and they feel that now is the time to support TOR becuse it can be used with many internet aplications like webrowsers,IM and p2p .TOR uses a socks proxy to connect to the network .
It also has a in and out proxy to the internet .

More Info Here
http://www.eff.org/news/archives/2004_12.php#002174

TOR website
http://tor.eff.org/index.html

[lordfoul]

Nice to see the EFF at work . TOR is promising tech for P2P I hope it thrives; could be very useful for BT I would imagine anonymously seeding a torrent.

[AussieMatt]

Anonymous Bittorent is available already and Azureus has a guide on how to use TOR to help protect trackers and intial seeders.

http://azureus.sourceforge.net/doc/AnonBT/

There is also the Antzureus project that proposes to to make a hybrid swarming of azureus-bittorrent and ants-torrent available. Users then can swarm from both networks and releasers can seed the media safe in ants.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/antzureus/

There are no releses from this project yet but the development list is starting to look Impressive
Roberto Rossi - AntsP2P Developer
Jason Black - HornetP2P Developer
Paul Gardner - Azureus Admin
Olivier Chalouhi - Azureus Admin
Paul Duran - Azureus Team
Alon Rohter -Azureus Team

[fnordprefect]

Yeah but it's slowing the TOR network to a crawl. There have been discussions recently on the TOR mailing lists about how to ban Bittorrent.

[ABC_thellookoflove]

tor does not allow a bt client to search for decentral hosted torrents.

[Hornet]

What has this got to do with ANts P2P?

File sharing is more than just technology it takes a certain mental set.

Just because an application is anonymous does not mean that it is a file sharing application.

Hornet

[AussieMatt]

What has this got to do with ANts P2P?

File sharing is more than just technology it takes a certain mental set.

Just because an application is anonymous does not mean that it is a file sharing application.

Hornet
Jason Black the HornetP2P developer has said he will add socks proxy support to Hornet so you can use TOR for bootstraping and annonymous p2p its as simple as that and its also interesting that a organisation like the EFF is giving such support to an annonymising project .Ants is not just a file sharing program either it has filesharing and a HTTP tunnel grwen in the future wants to impliment chat and maybe streaming over the protocol which would be a great asset to wireless community nets who are already being over regulated by corporations that are trying to stop thier public funding and use of unlicened wireless bandwidth .

[spy1]

http://p2pnet.net/story/3357

"The EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation) says it will sponsor Tor, a technology project created to help organizations and individuals communication with each other anonymously online.

"Tor is a network-within-a-network that protects communication from a form of surveillance known as "traffic analysis," says the EFF, adding:

"Traffic analysis tracks where data goes and when, as well as how much is sent, rather than the content of communications.

"Knowing the source and destination of Internet traffic allows others to track a person's behavior and interests. This can impact privacy in obvious and secondary ways. For example, an e-commerce site could choose to charge you more for particular items based on your country or institution of origin. It could also threaten your job or physical safety by revealing who and where you are."

Tor says people can use it to keep remote websites from tracking them and family members, as well as to connect to resources such as news sites or instant messaging services blocked by their local ISPs.

But it can't solve all anonymity problems, it says on its web site, adding:

"It focuses only on protecting the transport of data. You need to use protocol-specific support software if you don't want the sites you visit to see your identifying information. For example, you can use web proxies such as Privoxy while web browsing to block cookies and withhold information about your browser type.


Also, to protect your anonymity, be smart. Don't provide your name or other revealing information in web forms. Be aware that, like all anonymizing networks that are fast enough for web browsing, Tor does not provide protection against end-to-end timing attacks: If your attacker can watch the traffic coming out of your computer, and also the traffic arriving at your chosen destination, he can use statistical analysis to discover that they are part of the same circuit."

See also: http://www.eff.org/news/archives/2004_12.php#002174

I've been using a combo of Tor, Privoxy and SocksCap for the last week or so. Although definitely slow at times, it's at least as fast as JAP - and it's never putting all your egg's in one basket. It has passed every "IP identification site" I've thrown at it with flying colors.

You all really should consider playing with this - it's possibly the only way we'll be able to surf anywhere near anonymously in the future. Pete

[Lord_of_the_Dense]

Threads merged.

[Psilaxs]

yeah, and this still doesn't solve the "problem' of you connecting to an mpaa or riaa bot, sending them a file, and getting caught.

I am tired of all these anonymous announcements, they are extremely misleading to the uninformed.

[ANts...the new es5?]

yeah, and this still doesn't solve the "problem' of you connecting to an mpaa or riaa bot, sending them a file, and getting caught.

I am tired of all these anonymous announcements, they are extremely misleading to the uninformed.

Psilaxs is 100% correct.
The only difference between ANts & any other p2p application is that ANts is a useless piece of shit and unlike other applications its only use is to be fanboyed by lowlife hicks (Hornet).

[Hornet]

yeah, and this still doesn't solve the "problem' of you connecting to an mpaa or riaa bot, sending them a file, and getting caught.

I am tired of all these anonymous announcements, they are extremely misleading to the uninformed.


They don't know your IP address Duh!

That's why they are called annoymous.

So how are you going to get caught?

The problem with annoymous P2P is not getting caught (most file sharers are not sued regardless of what prog the're using) it is download speed.

And the speed issue is been worked on and should be solved shortly.

Hornet

[Abyss00]

Yeah, speed issues are what really keep most anonymous p2p apps from becoming popular.

[Stownplayer]

would someone explain to me how anonymous p2p can possibly get faster? It don't seem possible to me.

[tsafa1]

would someone explain to me how anonymous p2p can possibly get faster? It don't seem possible to me.

go to this thread and see the post about the the 47 kB/s download on ants with screenshot

http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=26150&page=2

Ants can get very fast, especialy as Gwren continus to further develope it.

We should write the EFF and ask them to donate some money to ants through pay pal on Gwrens site. Is anyone familiar with how to best contact them?

[infringer]

yeah, and this still doesn't solve the "problem' of you connecting to an mpaa or riaa bot, sending them a file, and getting caught.

I am tired of all these anonymous announcements, they are extremely misleading to the uninformed.
State clearly in the EULA that no bots are allowed on the network any bot used on the network must specify specific info such as an IP and purpose for the bot. People running bots need to aquire a liscense to run the bot from the program developer any bots running without a liscense will be penalized to the full extent of the law. By running a bot without the liscense using this program or network, you are dodging the liscense fee and will be procecuted for infringement of this networks usage, this applies to all programs that connect to and access this network.

Turn the infringement right back in there face.

Not to mention programs like peergaurdian or other programs could then be updated swiftly everytime a bot liscense is purchased they must specify there IP which would make it common knowladge.

-infringer-

[Stownplayer]

go to this thread and see the post about the the 47 kB/s download on ants with screenshot

http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=26150&page=2

Ants can get very fast, especialy as Gwren continus to further develope it.

We should write the EFF and ask them to donate some money to ants through pay pal on Gwrens site. Is anyone familiar with how to best

contact them?

I would imagine you could go to the website and contact eff

[shawners]

Only way to get fast is direct connect with no proxy and hashing which leads to downloading from multiple sources.. bit torrent maxes me out at 300kbs.

[AussieMatt]

Shawners you clearly have never used Winny or Share .Fast downloads from Japan through intermediate proxys.

[tsafa1]

yeah, and this still doesn't solve the "problem' of you connecting to an mpaa or riaa bot, sending them a file, and getting caught.

I am tired of all these anonymous announcements, they are extremely misleading to the uninformed.


First, we are discusing Ants in an Ants forum. If you don't want to read our posts, don't come here, its that simple. If you choose to come here, we will be happy to point out your flawed thinking.

In Ants, you do not make a direct connection with the person you are downloading or uploading from, so if your bot does connect to my node, all it will see is what i am proxying from my neighbor nodes, who in turn are passing along data from their neighbors. Your bot will can not accumulate any accurate information that can be used against me with any certainty.

[eivioolla]

Only way to get fast is direct connect with no proxy and hashing which leads to downloading from multiple sources.. bit torrent maxes me out at 300kbs.

With a slow connection like that, finding a faster proxy should be easy and it won't be a bottleneck for the connection. I've transferred over 1200kB/s via proxy that is in another country.

[Psilaxs]

First, we are discusing Ants in an Ants forum. If you don't want to read our posts, don't come here, its that simple. If you choose to come here, we will be happy to point out your flawed thinking.

In Ants, you do not make a direct connection with the person you are downloading or uploading from, so if your bot does connect to my node, all it will see is what i am proxying from my neighbor nodes, who in turn are passing along data from their neighbors. Your bot will can not accumulate any accurate information that can be used against me with any certainty.


I was talking about Tor, not ants, learn to read before going off on a moronic tangent. I can interject my opinions as i wish. Have fun being sued for proxying illegal activity.

Infringer, you might want to take a look at snopes urban legend reference to what you stated, it is no better than the bogus warning people put up on DC hubs and FTP's, you cannot arbitrarily create laws and regulations to suit your own needs outside of written law that is on the books. An example would be me creating a program, (or post for that matter) and stating if you do not comply with 'xxxx xxxxxx' you OWE me a hundred dollars by law. It does not work that way. You can create all the bullshit "User agreements" you want, if it is not put into effect through the Legislative and Executive Branch ( a good example would be REAL EULA's such as intellectual agreements on video games, copyright acts on software and movies, things that were passed through by law) it is meaningless. Law enforcement in their pursuit of "illegal" activity are not held by such bogus bounds.

http://www.snopes.com/legal/privacy.htm

[tsafa1]

So far courts have said that ISP's are not responsible for what they proxy, EEF laywers believe that should also extend to individules. Yes nothing is writtten in stone, but the idea that you are not responsible for what happens without your knowledge is pretty well established in many areas of the law.