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F0wler
December 22nd, 2004, 03:03 PM
Okay, so further to my post in the news section, I got to thinking. Suprnova is now gone, and not likely to come back. That's life, but you move on. The question that now faces us is whether BT will evolve fast enough to outrun the MPAA, who have done everything they can in order to crush the rebellion. Obviously the idea that certain countries are immune to the lobbying powers of trade groups is seriously flawed. However, there are still some possibilities.

It is now safe to assume that websites simply hosting torrent files is foolish. It's not going to get anyone anywhere, only prolong the agony that follows subpoena after subpoena to the hosting company. So, now the question remains, what form will the next evolution take, and will it be fast enough?

I suggested that perhaps the demise of suprnova is in actual fact a challenge, be it inconvient, to programmers to move away from "centralised p2p." Now of course, I realise that BT is not centralised per say, but in terms of reliance upon torrent sites, it seems to be easy to shut down. So What now?

There has been talk of "exeem" a system where users share torrent files, and the media itself. While this is all well and good, it would be fool hardy to base all the hopes of several million people on one piece of software that may or may not come to anything.

I recently saw a post by Gwren, (everyone knows he made ants) talking about the idea of "Hashing a hash," in the hope of giving users further legal "immunity." But personally, I think, contary to the philosphies of tsafa1, and all those other fanboys, that these techniques really only undermine p2p; bringing sharing to the masses. Face, if you use any of those anonymous systems, the mpaa won't care, they just want the FT user.

So really, what I am saying is that I feel it is time to combine decentralised networks, and torrent files. There has to be a way of mass sharing torrents, yet still using bittorrent. Reliance on suprnova and other such sites handed BT to the mpaa on a silver friggin' platter. What we need is a mass co-ordination of all those who have torrent files, and place them on a network designed to share torrents, or even somehting like winmx or emule. I guess this is what exeem is all about, but there's too much to lose of we don't decide our ass from our elbow.

So, in conclusion, are there any suggestions for a new way of co-ordinating the distribution of torrent files, one that does not rely on central webstes or hosts? How could it be acomplished, and how soon?

Thankyou for your time.

wonderboy2005
December 22nd, 2004, 03:13 PM
Some good reads by writers with the capability to express their thoughts much better than I can.

Beyond the Torrent
http://www.aquick.org/blog/index.php?p=398

Its the torrent, stupid
http://susanmernit.blogspot.com/2004/12/mark-pesce-on-bittorrent.html

Dave_Man
December 22nd, 2004, 03:17 PM
The problem is not just the sites that host the torrent files but mainly the Trackers themselves.

Its the reliance on centralized trackers that makes bit torrent easy to take down.

F0wler
December 22nd, 2004, 03:24 PM
So, azerus makes everyone a tracker and a downloader, does this solve the problem? What about the mass sharing of torrent files?

Betamax
December 22nd, 2004, 06:03 PM
There can be only 1 tracker per torrent with BT 'coz it is the 'brain' behind why the file is distributed so quickly. The other thing is that it takes up a lot of bandwidth to run a tracker and the load increases with the increase in participants.

A possible solution would be some kind of roving tracker, but this would slow every thing down from the start, with the initial seeder having to act as a tracker from the start and then pass on tracker duties to peers as the torrent is distributed.

kppdata
December 22nd, 2004, 06:51 PM
seeing is beliving. look guys... as sad as i am to see suprnova gone it also sparks my eyes to see that another site which have been in the dark and not been heard about has some kind of tracking torrent too. some what the same as suprnova but still in operational.

take a look.

www.gameglitch.com (http://www.gameglitch.com)

This site has been up for about 2 years now and gosh all i can say is.. its still up.

have fun download torrent again.

F0wler
December 22nd, 2004, 07:22 PM
Roving tracker eh? Can this be done?

kppdata
December 22nd, 2004, 07:31 PM
gosh if your talking about gameglitch (http://www.gameglitch.com) and its torrent.. well i guess they found a way to do that torrent tracking thing.. WOOO HOOO another torrent break through.