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[infringer]

Dont need no friggin wars against who should be the good guys.

[cheapprick]

It is important privacy I like the ability to walk down the street and not feel like I am being watched on a constant basis.

Hell I watched the news the otherday and New Yorkers were convinced to allow a set of video cameras on the street "to deture criminal activity" that has the ability to view a 6 mile radius!!! Now that is insane an outrage and I am supprised at the stupidity of the general public even allowing such a thing to happen.

My proposed solution is to hire more police to deture criminal activity. By doing so we will not only have more privacy but we will also ensure that there would be more jobs secured for us here in America.

Next time you have the say in a situation like this think about what privacy means to you think about what it will mean to your kids and there kids after that we are building walls for ourselves soon there will be no freedom no privacy no nothing we are letting our whole way of living slip away and get brainwashed by the media which is regulated by the government agency as well.


A catch 22.

I was struck by a memory while reading your post that told me that the average American is caught on camera @6 times a day. [Banking machines, security cameras, etc.] That is a terrible violation of free movement, as we would expect we have more rights than that. Here's the catch 22.

If more cops are hired, let's say doubling the police force, it may make the situation worse. Right now not all cops spend their entire day reacting to crime. Simply reacting to the events around them seems foolish so they get broken into specific units in an attempt to allow some of them to work in a more pro-active manner. [I.e. undercover squads, organized crime squads, internet squads, etc.] The simple act of doubling the number of police will mean an exponential rising of policing in these areas. The added manpower, not entirely necessary on the streets, will be placed in a less conventional manner.

And that's it. By increasing the police force you actually increase the similarities to the conditions of 1984. You have more people watching cameras waiting for the slip up of people. What does that lead to?

It leads to an unrepresentative jail presence. For a case in point I'll turn to Canada's aboriginal community as an example. [Substitute any faction really] As aboriginal people take up 70% of Canada's jails, but make up only 11% of the population, people are left to wonder about the criminal tendencies of aboriginal people. However, if you look at the way in which the aboriginal community is policed you will get some answers. Never entirely trusted by the Europeans Aboriginal people were shunted to the sides as European expansion went on. Centuries later, when the rise of human rights movements the world over made this embarrassing for the government, aboriginal people were pushed towards the mainstream.

The result is the unrepresentative prison presence we see today. As the two cultures clashed, the aboriginal culture was viewed as literally wrong compared to those super-civilized Europeans. As such, policing of those areas in which they settled off-reserve would remind an outsider of a war zone. While my street might have a cop drive down it once a month, a similar home in a correspondingly predominantly aboriginal area will be passed daily. What is the result of that going to be?

It's going to result in more people being arrested. Literally, if the police passed everyone's kids once a day, the odds of seeing them do something worth charging increases rapidly. Coupled with the dominant society’s unwillingness to allow even minor charges to be dropped against aboriginal youth, and all you’re doing is creating pain in society.

To tie this back to the start... if the policing of Canadian aboriginal communities dropped to that of the corresponding 'white' communities there would be a sharp drop in unrepresentative prison presence. You can say that all that has happened is that less crime is reported and I'll agree. That's exactly my point. Even though not in the manner you might mean. Less people are going to be charged with crimes, but not necessarily fewer crimes will be committed. Alternately, the extra manpower given to police will not automatically prevent crime but will result in more crimes being caught.

Has society prospered from that?

You have to either embrace a loss of privacy or a feeling of endangerment. I would suggest to you that the feeling of endangerment is more real than the danger but that's a whole different argument. ;) While I don't propose to suggest I know the right thing to do, I would argue against a drastic increase in the number of police policing at the top of my voice.

[infringer]

Race is not the issue from which we are dealing with.
Nor is canada...
Embrace an invasion of privacy how fuggin obserd!

Blacks have there stuff they say about white folks when within there own group.
And whites have there stuff to say about black folks in there little group.

I could argue the debate about race for hours on in and how its ok to have black only schools now and how its ok to have black only television and so on and so on.

Race is not the issue!!!!

It will never change you know why cause theres always someone bringing up the issue of race into every argument possible I could give a care less WTF race anyone is to tell the truth I am a fuggin american and I value the freedom and the privacy from which our ancestors from all walks of life have fought for including martin luthar king !!!

[cheapprick]

I had not even realized you had replied. I had expected you to come up with a well thought out reply. Instead you skimmed and came up with that textual abortion. If you honestly think I was trying to relate the "dangers of race" or something similar you have a reading comprehension problem.

Me put simple word. More cop end up with unjust criminal system. Much bad even for those who think they break no law. Me give you one example - you fail to grasp. Me overestimate you. Bye.

May I suggest? Online Word Explainer (http://www.m-w.com/)

[Afn]

Someone once remarked that with WMD and Nuclear weapons we will be under a police state forever. I hope that is not true. Poor people are targeted more than the rich. Justice is what is written on buildings, but any examination of how the court system operates uncovers the fact that justice is an idea in word only. True justice is reserved to only the select few that have the resources to buy freedom or an upper or middle class ticket out of poverty, prison and the endless prison of no opportunity.

[infringer]

Cheapprick,

You are better then me so be it I am useless and shallow minded and put no thoughts into my posts.
Didnt come here to post and start a war amongst what I consider to be fellow fighters for rights of freedom and privacy.


Afn,

Beautifully put and puts things in a better perspective then I did as the loss of privacy to a certain extreme is a sharp and touchy subject and with that being said I might of been a slight bit more verbose then usual.

To all else,

If you find my posts to be way out of line my apologies.

[nukehella]

You have another user name Infringer?It is your favorite forum,after all.

Edit-your initial post said this was your favorite forum,but you edited it while I was making my post.

Sniffffff

[Afn]

A million monkeys, given a million computers, online for a million hours will create a million posts, thus creating a million hours of useless shit.

Thanks, I am glad you liked my post. I live for the lucid, quick snappy writing that pops in the minds of other people. (monkeys)