ANts development

[gwren]

I'll come back to ANts coding as soon as my new internet connection will be properly set up by my internet provider... I've got some problems with it lately!

Thx for the help ad for keeping up the work!

[Apothos]

I would just like to say Thank You gwren for your hard work! It is much appreciated. :;)

[ezzye]

For the record I would also like to say thanks for the hundreds of hours of work you have put into coding ANts.

Thanks for spending your own money to move the development of P2P forward.

We are not all ungrateful, uncaring, file grabbing, attention hunting selfish users.

Thanks Gwren.

[Abyss00]

Thanks for the work Gwren.

Any opensource program that is working towards making a good anonymous file sharing program has my support.

[tsafa1]

my thanks too. keep up the good work protecting us from lawsuits.

[infringer]

Jep I agree he's putting in a lot of work to create an anonymous network that can be wide open unprivate but yet private... Good work GWERN...

I have yet to see anyone else providing as quick of updates as GWERN to there P2P applications.

-infringer-

[fnordprefect]

My thanks also Gwren.

[Abyss00]

exeem also had more publicity then any p2p app since Napster. lol

[CactusChris]

Is this another threat to watch out for - or does provxying take care of it?

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/03/11/clock_skews_finger_pcs/

[tsafa1]

Is this another threat to watch out for - or does provxying take care of it?

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/03/11/clock_skews_finger_pcs/

That story is a very good find. I emailed a link to Gwren. I don't think he will be able to do much because it seems to be more of a concept. But if that ever is put into widespread use hacks will be found to defeat it. You can bet Gwren will find a way around it too.
For now it seems that the reliability is in question, so we have to wait and see how it develops.

[Hornet]

I never will update ants !
X is running so well !

I quit to be a beta tester !
:-))))


UPDATE to y it's even better. Not kidding y has high download and upload speed plus low threads and cpu (been running it for one and half hours).

Hornet :wings :wings :wings

[xrobot]

What is "X"? Another software?

[riderx]

my leg is hurtin me again dammit

[tsafa1]

like i said before,Gwren said, if you want a stable version use 9.6c. If you are not having trouble with the thread count in 9.7x or 9.7y you are not sharing many files or not running for extended periods of time. The longer you run it the higher the threads go and after 10 hours or so you crash.

Furthermore after Gwren fixes the thread issue, he will move on to improve some other area and then we will go through the alphabet all over again. When ants is running as well as any 2nd generation prgram then we'll take a break.

[CactusChris]

Perhaps it is time to add a disclaimer that ANts should not be used for infringing activities - does not sound right but in the light of:
http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=728
maybe it is time.

BR
Chris

[tsafa1]

Perhaps it is time to add a disclaimer that ANts should not be used for infringing activities - does not sound right but in the light of:
http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=728
maybe it is time.

BR
Chris

I read it. I do not think anything other then an outright ruling for one side or the other will change status-quo. The judges comments seem to be in favor of p2p anyway.

[tsafa1]

i like bata testing :-)

I think when Gwren complets his works i will have to move on in search of the 4 th generation of p2p. I envission that one the internet will run on p2p rather then p2p on the internet.

That makes makes a lot more sense. Rather then have a few hundred communication companies running massive servers, better to have millions of individule pc servers.

[ABC_thellookoflove]

SUPERNODES MUST BE SUPERNEIGHBOURS AND SUPERNODES TO SUPERNODES NEED AS WELL SUPERNEIGHBOURS, SO DIRECT CONTACTS.
OTHERWISE SEARCHES ARE NOT BETTER.


<ezzye> DC seems no faster than non DC so switching back to anonymous
<Def0392842> cool
<Def0392842> tell gwren
<Def0392842> so ants dc has only the purpose to be hybrid with jmule, if ants is finally running.
<Def0392842> but it has again abug, tsafa said
<Def0392842> so wait for the nex tupdate again
<ezzye> yes I will but I know it will upset him and he has a lot on his plate at the moment
<Def0392842> wenn either ants is running or not.
<Def0392842> dunno why he spend 4 weeks on ants dc, making ants NOT running
<Def0392842> ants ws running already, but ants dc came
<ezzye> also searches still do not work properly
<Def0392842> so... well searches are better.
<Def0392842> i guess that they cant be better
<Def0392842> this is not a problem of adjusting, it is a problem of the architecture
<Def0392842> we need a direct contact between supernodes
<ezzye> they can be bbetter and will be better - just need Gwren to sttle in Eire then he'll start sorting these long standing issues
<Def0392842> see dc+*, it is so fast and quick, why wasting so much time and routes for searches in ants?
<Def0392842> i event do not get teh resutls from the remot eindex for 100 %
<Def0392842> why ?
<Def0392842> so what is the problem to make 1-2 direct connections to neighbours, which are supernodes ?
<Def0392842> so 2 neighbour slots for supernodes ?
<Def0392842> this would NOT harm anonymity
<Def0392842> a node would only know the colony gatekeeper
<Def0392842> but with supernodes somewhere in the routing you do not get results
<Def0392842> the supernodes needs for the NODE an IP not an ID
<Def0392842> this is the basic paradigm for supernodes
<Def0392842> gwren has to consider
<Def0392842> but it is a process, it old him push is better than pull and then we need a change from id to IP for supernodes
<Def0392842> s well supernodes need to connect to each other over IP not ID
<Def0392842> so a node needs one neighbour as supernode and supernodes need as well supernodes as a neighbour
<Def0392842> so it is to make clear, that the supernode is more a superneighbour, this is the paradigm

[ABC_thellookoflove]

is ants development still active or have you all switched to i2phex ?
http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=28411

[Abyss00]

What does Ants development have to do with i2phex?

[tsafa1]

Gwren, is in Irland for a while so no development for a while.

[ABC_thellookoflove]

i like the idea of an integrated routing protocol combined with filesharing,
http://Www.i2phex.tk is another option as mute or napshare or others.
p2p is under dramatical changes.
We need a working version of ants, searches are not working in ants, and the supernodes do nor contribute really. As well the seperation of gui and core should be done to get help.
When is a new upgrade expected ? we are 4 weeks without any changes.

[Hornet]

Has anyone heard from the prodigal developer Gwren?

I wonder how he is doing in the emerald isle?


HO......

[tsafa1]

Yeah I spoke with him. He's gona be gone for some time.

[ABC_thellookoflove]

so ants is dead.

[fnordprefect]

I am tired of your nonsense ABC...you know what... yes, Ants is dead and so is I2P, Freenet and TOR and every other next-generation anonymous networking protocol, except for Nodezilla.

Yeah, that's that, Nodezilla is where all the cool kids hang out now. Go annoy them with your BS and dialler-infested .tk domains.

[ABC_thellookoflove]

this was thought for ants and azureus = antzureus
http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/21/1715235&from=rss
so another torrent search tool is found already.
Ants is really dead.

[Abyss00]

ABC, what does BitTorrent decentralization have to do with Gwren taking a break from Ants development???

[fnordprefect]

this was thought for ants and azureus = antzureus
http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/21/1715235&from=rss
so another torrent search tool is found already.
Ants is really dead.


Then why are you stil here?

[ABC_thellookoflove]

hope dies at last.

[ABC_thellookoflove]

any why have you gone ?

[ABC_thellookoflove]

we need ants working hybrid with java emule
then only i2phex and mute will be able to be convinced.

Edonkey is still the biggest network and a release hybrid out of ants and edonkey woudl be cool

can someone port ants to c++ ?

[ABC_thellookoflove]

gwren must see the psychological idea and interest of users and filesharing

- users want to discover ID´s media, so we need a hostbrowsing library for each ID
- Users want to share and promot theior media, so we need a library hit statitic and a MB measurement, how many chunks of my release are uploaded to users
- users want to download and need a partials graphic bar to see the file completing
- users want to know, how much of the upload comes fromt he own library, so either int he total statitic or in the library we need a mb size, how many cucks from my offer are uploaded
- users want to find media instant, so we need server, we do not need an emule clone, this serverfeature can only be done in ants direct, and here we do not want to compete with emuel becasue emuel is here better, this means not ti implement new serversm, but existing servers from emule, which offer a media repositors for ants DC
- we need a hybrid ants dc with emule
- we need a reelase board with ants or ed2k links with warez , which is nothing else available,
- we need an official release number,
- we need a speratuion of gui and core, though noe one can make a gui, this means for gwren to be on himself because all is so complicated code, so seperation has no priority, servers have
- imho the gui is lousy, but wokable, so it is worth to implement partial bars
- we need a speed-meter, which means to see the actual traffic up and down not in digits, but in a speed bar.
- ants is not anonymous, if there are high speeds for a few seconds, this leads us to the question, if this high speed is done because the soruce is our neighbour _> This is the main reasion for speed and the main security risk
- we need therefor more users to test speed, to test searches and to test speeds with sources NOT our neighbour
- we only get more users, if there is more media,
- is it technically mosspible to have emuel chunks and ants chunks in one file ?
...

[ABC_thellookoflove]

and imho this means as well to disable the irc chatroom, user come and see only 154 members ang go after one hour.
we need a developer channel in rc, which is not in the client.
so... users are alone on the net.
they use only the protocol
as in emule
this is very psychological that user quit after realizing that ony 12 users are using this network, the benefit from explaining newbiees has less priority

so adjust this please and make the irc caht offline

[ABC_thellookoflove]

we need ants p2p working and populated before VISTA is out and enforces a new culture.
We only get a population on ants if ants connetcs to edonkey.
This is so simple, because ants is working now and perfect, but it is not populated.
so ants will only get attention, it is a hybrid edonkey client.
This is all and simple, and for the time horizont, : before vista - ants shoud be establishta.
:-)

[1985]

I'm not sure eMule integration is so important. It takes a lot of time to implement and integrate in ANts eDonkey protocol ...

Consider a lot of users are migrating to ANts because their providers are blocking p2p traffic (but can't block ANts who use https like connections) and are sueing them. So eMule integration is a good think, but also the client needs some modification. I'm not sure eDonkey net integration is the most urgent think for ANts.

[ABC_thellookoflove]

thing it is. not think.
but right, it is work, but it is easy, if you integrate it in ants dc and not in ants.
so in ants dc, you have a normal p2p system with partials, you only need to get the partials hybrid,
ok copmmun gui as well, but the main thing is, that no code is available for java emule, there is kademlis in java from azureus, but not optimized for emule, and there is jmule for emule servers, which is not running proper.

Ants is working very fine, Ok searches could be better, but this is all we can get with "pulled" supernodes (server/supernode asks leafs randomly for keywords), so servers in ants dc could be the "pushed" (leafs send library to server) supernodes.

We get a lot of media with ants-dc-emule. and users of course,

because ants is workingproper, but has no sucess in the users community, we need the edoneky connection !

Ants will soon be a new edonkey client, with the one and only option to be the best anonymous p3p.

see the cometitors: i2p 6.1 is out as well gnutella i2phex over i2p is working, board planetpeers has in english and several languages already tutorials for i2phex.
they are already swapping files, ants has not a communit ybase.

Then we only have for mute a good repetition, but no more, no working standard and no security standard with end to end.

So... i2phey already working and freenet ian clarke will annoucne end of the month a new darknet with searchable hashes and keywords.

I think this will give the whole discussion a new focus.
maybe the release of freenet will cause a new ants version and as well a i2p integrated phex version,
and maybe a louse napshare update, but this will not be relevant.

So ... ants... i2phex and freenet are still the three main things, while edonkey is the second generations tandard for the worlds biggest p2p system. In the long run no p3p app can deniy this.

it now depends really on hard sweat work. Nothing more because the architectures are obvious.
Napshare announced end to end on the roadmap half a yaer, but nothing done, okk ok, i wont make pressure in the box, but as always, the first working p3p system will entertain the users and third, a good name is a good brand: mute and freenet gain from this, though they have a lousy standard.

For me ants is still the best. so edonkey partials for ants are a needed strategic thing.
i2phex is a simply system, maybe .. dunno, what effects i2p with other systems have.. so maybe this is the new microsoft, while ants will stay linux.

But we well see, if an integrated p2p system with proxy layer is better or a general proxy layer with a p2p option.

IMHO for chinese users and others like BT i2p as a proxy layer has its merits.

Bute an integrated p3p system liek ants coudl be much mor effective and a better user brand.,

Soo.. if you want to make i2p phey and i2p bt azureus neck to neck, ants HAS to focus on worlds biggest p2p partials: Edonkey.

So no question to deny, It has priority number 1 even for the existence of ants.

And one reason is central: Emule over i2p or tor, just wait until the day, one emuel coder or mod is starting a connection to a proxylayer like i2p or tor.

Then ants is dead.

So make it or make it not, there is no much choice.

[Hornet]

ANts does not need anymore bells and whistles. The code needs to be rationalised and made to work 100% instead of 50% when the wind is blowing in the right direction and the moon is full.

BETA should not be synonymous with BUGGY, SLOW and INCOMPATIBLE.

[ABC_thellookoflove]

ants is 100 % - gwren said that searches are working proper.
there is no chance to make searches faster because of the chosen architecture.
all other is working fine, as well the speed was blown up with the last version.

so ... one bell is edonkey partials.
users wil not move to ants, because they do not know about it and it has no media.

you cannot start a perpetuum mobile without a push.

[1985]

ABC_thellookoflove, you are right.

I see more and more users trying ANts and then going away because they don't found anything. Too bad.

So eMule integration is a priority.

Hoping Gwren listen to us :icon_cycl

[ABC_thellookoflove]

if gwren is clever, he is already working on that, he said, that servers in ants dc might be an issue.
Hope him is clear, that ants dc is tnot made to be a second p2p programm according to emule, but the purpose is to USE emule servers.

better (technically) would be to use kademlia in ants dc.

But this is a question of code quality, either azureus kademlia java code must be adjusted to be compatible with emule connections, or for the servers jmule must be optimized to work for the first time.

Well. servers will die soon and jmule.sf.net has never been working ( you even need to install edonkey code in c++ to have a deamon base). Azureus kademlia is as well in jave , but has never been connecting to emule, so it is even more to write the code.

all together you could then write kademlis in jave from scratch.

but what ever for a perspectiver is choosen, it is gwren choice, and many times he did spoke againste emule as a client. maybe the protocol and the partials of worlds biggest p2p can convince him.

Other features i do not see, which benefit they bring to the client.

of course you can full fuill 2 years with fixing the cosmetical nitty gritties like shareaza.
but this is not the essential in the third generation clients competition.

see www.ants-board.tk, why emule partials for ants are essential

i2p has already gnutella and bittorrent. some day emule protocol will choose as well an underlying network, maybe it is mute, maybe tor, but maybe as well ip2.

so ants is an integrated proxy layer and a p2p search.
it needs in dc version to connect to a second generation protocol - this is strategically emules kademlia or servers.

we will see. gwren knows what his job is (which means he knows as well how to do it).
so... if there is no update of the client, he has not used his semester university spare time to fix this strategy, but with something other,,., or it is just to difficult for him to write an emule client in java (which is actually the job).

freenet will come out in 4 weeks, and users will see, how searches work there.
i2phey will be in the i2p installer with version o.7 and the next azureus will have an auto-installer of i2p as well. Soon napshare will merge into the discussion with end to end encryption and will be ready to be merged with emule. And then i read in september 2005 a tutorial for tor with emule. Well , it is already on the board.

End of the year we will have xmas and a lot of new pc´s from santa claus. Then the pc magazines will make a test rport of all 5 third-generation apps.

Can´t believe that the writers constat, that ants has never been updated since july 14.

[ABC_thellookoflove]

follow up here
http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=31036

[ABC_thellookoflove]

what ants needs as well
- a http tunnel to websites from the internet, so not only to servers, which are in the ants network. this is especially needed for th echinese people to read webistes , which are blocked.
- a download cache which is encypted and hidden, so like a cache freenet offers, ants is better, but freenet has bigger caches, ants is rejected to the freedom of sharing and the partials, why not a forced hidden encrypted download cache of 4 gb, which will swallow copies of downloaded media, so... not pusing media into other clients, but the own stuff cannot be remouved from ants, if the file is phsically remouved out of the shared library.
- further we need in ants dc a kademlia implementation, which is the hardest thing, but it woudl offer as well a big search index, files could be starte sin ants dc, and a switch to ants would then allow to complete the files in ants way.

[.:sp00ky:.]

Why you havnt been banned for spamming is amazing, just look at the posts in this thread their nearly all you talking to yourself.

your good at spamming what antz needs why not fuck off and add them yourself you moron.

[ABC_thellookoflove]

spooky, this is an ants thread, and we collect here ideas.

[.:sp00ky:.]

by "we collect here ideas" you mean "I talk here to self?"

[The Hunter]

Horse shit. You have spent most of your time here carrying on a monologue. You were previously warned, so youre out of here.