Is the End Near for Bittorrent?

[TheGateKeeper]

Yo!

Im a fairly new user of the Bittorrent community, and I have some things on my mind about the recent things Ive heard about BT and the RIAA.

First off, are we really in trouble with this shit? can they track us with these torrent files. The reason I switched over to BT was because everyone was saying that it was safe from the eyes of the big corperations. So whats up.

To help with the situation, the sites providing the torrents shouldn't record people IPs when DLing from the site.

Shit people are we all doomed or what? Will we ever be able to share our files without the fucking RIAA coming after us. I mean if BT isn't safe, notthing is!!

So the question is,
HOW SAFE IS BT? REALLY!!

If not I'll stop using it. Also, am I effected by all this legal intimidation the RIAA is dishing out when Im living in Canada or what. As far as I know, P2P is still legal here. So people what should I do?

FUCK THE RIAA, AND ALL THE BIG MONEY HUNGARY CORPRITE FUCKERS OUT THERE THAT KEEP SHITTING ON THE LITTLE PEOPLE!!!!:finger

Why should only the rich be able to enjoy the nice thing of this Earth.
THIS SHIT IS PISSING ME THE FUCK OFF!
What are we going to do people?

Peace!!

[SanDiegoKid]

You're doomed, man. Might as well turn yourself in. If you're lucky, they'll only cut off your hands.

[nasrules]

BitTorrent, by way of its structure, is inherently unsafe. For you to download stuff, you also have to upload, which means the RIAA/MPAA/whoever could quite easily start downloading and simply record the IP addresses of all who uploaded to them. Another thing is the size - you can have thousands of active sources in a swarm.

[DigitalJunkie]

If you are living in Canada, why are you worry about RIAA?

[tMoD]

Is the End Near for Bittorrent?

Yes, because Dogster is quickly taking over the p2p world.

[kmo911]

If you live in canada you're safe from the RIAA because that is the american record industry .
As for canada,we have the CRIA,and so far,it is still legal to share files,for how long remains to be seen.
As for being able to track you on bittorent,they easily could if they wanted to.There is no truly safe peer2peer network.
The fact is the more popular a network is the more likely it is to be targeted by the record industry.
There are some programs that help you some,like peergaurdian,but even they aren't perfect.
But since you live in canada,don't worry about it(yet).

[method]

I'll just repost this and save my lazy ass some time...

"They (MPAA, RIAA, IFPI/BPI, etc.) say they are going after uploaders who share a substancial amount of content.

As IshareManyFilez rightly points out... on BitTorrent the user doesn't list their files. It's one torrent.. one petty infringement.. and no guarantee how much you've contributed to any infringing activity.

Although we may not be anonymous... it's still a little tricky to know who is sharing a lot and who is just grabbing that one download for the hell of it!! Being dragged through courts for downloading a movie or tv episode is ridiculous, especially when they can't even say how much illegal distribution you are guilty of. (and consequently don't know whether you've cost them a dollar or a thousand dollars!.. it's all guesswork from there!!)

Sure.. we may be very exposed with torrents... but at least they don't get a full confession of guilt by being able to see everything each individual is sharing!"

[Domethius]

I have being using BT for a long time and I am little confused on how they will be le to prosecute any body for anything. Ok, I am using BT and grabbing, sts00.rar along with alot of other files, how do you know what this file is and also without the ther 25 to 30 you can't even see what the files is. I gues my main question is how can they prosecute someone for uploading when they will not get the whole file from that one person and without the whole file from that one person the file is useless, can't even tell what it is. For all they know I am uploading my pictures to people. Any explanation here would be appreciated because I truly do not undersstand how they can go after most BT users.

[black_magiic]

because usually the torrent you downloaded indicates what the file is. And also if you goto your download directory there is usually a folder created by the BT client telling what it is

[MushroomheadXIII]

Use a proxy with bittorrent, then you're fairly safe.

[Mels_Smileys45]

They have probably logged multi instances of people downloading movies. If they have logged your IP enough you are a target. It wouldn't be hard to find the people who use BT the most. Sharing partials in bittorrent makes each torrent act as one fast server. If your part of that server its easy to see you could be in trouble. Your helping many people get the whole file fast. stick your head in the sand or wise up.

To tell the truth, I worry about it some. I did recieve a letter a few months ago and I pretty much stopped downloading new movies from BT. But recently I uploaded a documentary and some educational vids. It would suck to get sued over that.

[Siskabush]

If you live in Canada, you will be prosecuted by whatever country presses the CDs for the labels (Thailand is gonna come chop your arms off)

Just joking. If you are in Canada, youre safe.

[black_magiic]

what about for movies in Canada

[Mels_Smileys45]

Im in Buffalo Bills Basement. Am I safe?

http://www.crimelibrary.com/gein/geinmain.htm

[Dave_Man]

Use a proxy with bittorrent, then you're fairly safe.

I've tried lots of diffrent anonymous proxy apps wih BT and they are all REALLY slow... (as in 5Kbps)
u have any recommendations on a proxy or anonymity prog that works good with BT?

P.S. Mushroom Head rocks!!!! (the band)

[Malicious Intent]

what about for movies in Canada

Movies fall under a different law. Unlike music and subject to court decisions, it is unlawful to download copyright films without the owners permission.

As for the more important issue of uploading, the judges decision is generic to all file types - BUT - only for and handful of tradition decentralised networks. Much of the statement was about shared folders, which BT doesn't use. The judge compared Morpheus to a photocopier in a library. However, BitTorrent is more like a photocopier which can only copy one book.

There is nothing to say that it is lawful to use BT in Canada for downloadin (c) without owners permission.


As for the only one file rule, perhaps there is some basis to this. But in America, damages of up to $100,000 can be awarded. Not so petty when you put it that way.

[rebirth]

If you live in Canada, you will be prosecuted by whatever country presses the CDs for the labels (Thailand is gonna come chop your arms off)

Just joking. If you are in Canada, youre safe.

Guess what? Thailand doesn't follow any copyright laws. You can go to a store like Wal*Mart (relative to location, ovbiously) and find pirated movies on VCD for less than 2 dollars. The government looks the other way. My brother lives in Thailand and has sent me many files, including a Pre-Release of XP in early 2001, as well as MANY VCD/DVD movies. Rocks, doesn't it? Also, they have cheap REAL designer clothes 2 or more years before the style becomes "in" in the US. Say...18 dollars for a 1337 pair of 150+ dollar pair of jeans.

[Rajarius]

Bittorrent has plenty of legal uses, and has been endorsed over the web by many commercial companies who see the benefit in saving bandwidth. IMO, BT has way more leverage than other P2P apps as far as legality is concerned. Will this make the legal battle more difficult? Too early to tell.

[SanDiegoKid]

Guess what? Thailand doesn't follow any copyright laws. You can go to a store like Wal*Mart (relative to location, ovbiously) and find pirated movies on VCD for less than 2 dollars. The government looks the other way. My brother lives in Thailand and has sent me many files, including a Pre-Release of XP in early 2001, as well as MANY VCD/DVD movies. Rocks, doesn't it? Also, they have cheap REAL designer clothes 2 or more years before the style becomes "in" in the US. Say...18 dollars for a 1337 pair of 150+ dollar pair of jeans.

Hey I've got a buddy that's teaching english in China, and he sends me a goody package every so often. DVD's, video games, etc., all for under a dollar each. All he asks for is that I send him a DVD-R with cool stuff from BT every so often to keep his laptop PC full of the latest goods.

[Brycen257]

File sharers in Canada should be safe on Bit Torrent at least for the moment . I am not aware of any legal decisions here that even discuss the issue of uploading or downloading movies. There are several hurdles that anyone trying to go after file sharers anywhere including the U.S. would have to overcome first though :

1. Even if they (RIAA, CRIA or whatever) get your IP address, that doesn't necessarily mean that your ISP will give your name and address to them. Several of the major ISP's in Canada were fighting that and I don't think that issue has been resolved.

2. The amount of traffic generated over the Internet and from Bit Torrent in particular is so great at the moment that it wouldn't make any sense to make major efforts to dismantle these networks. Most of the major ISPs would lose half or more of their current subscribers if these people were prevented from file sharing. Face it, the single biggest factor to the growth of the internet has been file sharing .

3. As the RIAA has proven without a doubt, suing people that have been downloading MP3s is not going to win you any friends among those people and it is not going to increase the amount of music or movies that people will purchase as a result. Outside of the people directly affected, the lawsuits against these people have accomplished nothing .Despite all the fuss over the lawsuits, file sharing has inceased dramatically over the last two years . Does that sound like the strategy is working ?

4. No matter what the Music or Movie companies do , they will never be successful in completely shutting down file sharing networks. The networks have developed revolutionary methods of distributing files that will continue to be used in some format , even if the current situation changes.

5. If those piss- assed wussey jerk-offs think they can intimidate us, they are freaking nuts and they can kiss my Irish ass . There is no way in hell I will let their bullshit worry me . They are a bunch of leeches and parasites themselves who deserve nothing but a good kick in the ass (and other selected body parts ) :fire

[stecbine]

If you live in canada you're safe from the RIAA because that is the american record industry .
As for canada,we have the CRIA,and so far,it is still legal to share files,for how long remains to be seen.
As for being able to track you on bittorent,they easily could if they wanted to.There is no truly safe peer2peer network.
The fact is the more popular a network is the more likely it is to be targeted by the record industry.
There are some programs that help you some,like peergaurdian,but even they aren't perfect.
But since you live in canada,don't worry about it(yet).Could not have said any better myself! Canada is #1 in the world when it comes to lax laws with regards to sharing music and the RIAA are also #1 in the world for dumbest, greediest corporate fucks.

[origin]

it is sad, BT has such a huge amount of potential versus other p2p appz. This was mentioned above that the riaa pursues people who are sharing alot or a fair amount of copyrighted material. Here is the question while you are leechin one album through bt you are only sharing that one file while you are still downloading it or as long as you leave the window open, I hardly see that as a major infraction quite minor almost non-existent. Tell me what you think. :)

l8

[Mels_Smileys45]

They could go after the torrent sites to see whos seeding the most maybe. Or they could make a list of how many times an IP is logged on different torrents to see who is using BT the most. I think they will go after the donkey more then likely but I don't see how they can ignore the largest movie sharing network (BT). I've already got a notice for grabbing one file. Those that have ignored several may need to worry.

[ZeroScruples]

Just joking. If you are in Canada, youre safe.
But for how much longer I wonder?

http://p2pnet.net/story/2936