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Miniver
July 22nd, 2004, 08:59 PM
From Slyck (http://www.slyck.com/)

P2P United Fights New Copyright Bill
July 22, 2004
Thomas Mennecke ([email protected])



Earlier this year, Senator Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, introduced the "Infringement 4 of Copyrights Act of 2004. (http://www.aipla.org/Content/ContentGroups/Legislative_Action/108th_Congress1/House/s2560.pdf)" The bill is an amendment to the current copyright laws (Section 501 of title 17, United States Code.)

Specifically, the amendment states, "Whoever intentionally induces any violation identified in subsection (a) shall be liable as an infringer." This is a radical departure from current copyright laws because it targets those who intentionally induce copyright infringement.

Ok, what qualifies an individual as an "intentional inducer?" Subsection "a" identifies this in the following: "In this subsection, the term ‘intentionally induces’ means intentionally aids, abets, induces, or procures, and intent may be shown by acts from which a reasonable person would find intent to induce infringement based upon all relevant information about such acts then reasonably available to the actor, including whether the activity relies on infringement for its commercial viability."

The language is extremely wide reaching considering the amount of technology in our daily lives could potentially fit this bill. Items such as VCRs, DVD recorders, iPods, CD-burners, and of course P2P technology. P2P United has been strenuously fighting this cause and today reacted to Senate Judiciary Committee’s review of the bill.

P2P United's task, as it seems to be every time they face the United States government, is to correct the great misunderstanding that has seeped into the minds of our representatives. Perhaps the greatest and most mind-blowing misrepresentation is Orrin Hatch’s belief that P2P United, and the networks it represents, closely resemble Earth Station 5.

During the meeting, Orrin Hatch stated that P2P United's members "functions like Earth Station 5's 'piracy machine'." To say the least they were aghast at this statement and issued the following rebuttal (in writing.)

"P2P United has chosen the preceding words advisedly, Mr. Chairman. Earth Station 5 is not a member of P2P United and, given its clear disdain for the principles set forth in our industry Code of Conduct adopted last September (please see attached) would be denied that status even if requested. “ES5” is a rogue software developer based in Jenin in Palestinian territory. It deliberately flauts American and international copyright law by expressly disclaiming the jurisdiction of all such laws and, most egregiously, proudly supplying downloads of first run motion pictures from its centralized computer servers. We were, therefore, particularly dismayed to note your statement's repeated use of this transparently inapt, misleading and false comparison.

In truth, Mr. Chairman, the 'business models" and actual technologies of the members of P2P United bears absolutely no resemblance whatsoever the illicit infrastructure and practices of ES5."

The second point that P2P United needed to refute was that file-sharing or P2P technology was dangerous to the end users, and "that peer-to-peer technology and the software made available to the public by the members of P2P United are dangerous to the public in general, to children in particular, and that our members adequately fail to warn the public of risks associated with P2P software."

Despite a report by the GAO (http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=328) (Government Accounting Office), which was requested by Senator Hatch, that spelled out that P2P is no more dangerous than the World Wide Web, this point is still being pressed on.

Lastly, Orrin Hatch brought up the point regarding filtering technology, and P2P developers apparent refusal to implement such technology.

P2P United responded to the pervasive misunderstanding, which was also backed up by the GAO.

"With respect, Mr. Chairman, the wholly mistaken suggestions in your June 22 statement to the effect that the decentralized architecture of modern P2P software is inefficient, "makes little sense," and was deliberately chosen by P2P software developers to escape copyright liability are so inaccurate as to argue for an immediate moratorium upon any and all legislation that would have the practical effect of modifying the Supreme Court's ruling in the Betamax case. While we hope to discuss these matters with you and members of the full Committee in greater detail, both privately and in public, we urge you to briefly consider the following:

a) no matter what measure is adopted – total bandwidth use, file transfer time, system stability and robustness, or security - the decentralized nature of modern peer-to-peer software programs renders such programs vastly more efficient than the "hub and spoke" design that characterized early file-sharing architecture. Indeed, such decentralized design precisely parallels computer and military scientists' vision of the original DARPAnet, and the subsequently developed public internet, for all of the reasons stated above;

b) the argument that P2P software companies have deliberately designed their software to evade copyright law (advanced before the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals by music industry counsel in oral argument in the pending Grokster case) was expressly rejected from the bench. Indeed, counsel was admonished from the bench that the programs seemed to have been designed to comport with all applicable copyright laws and the courts' rulings in Napster;

c) requiring the defining feature of currently decentralized peer-to-peer software to be changed to permit presently impossible forms of centralized content controls would constitute a massive "technology mandate" of precisely the kind that, it is claimed, S. 2056 seeks to avoid. As we have noted many times before, Mr. Chairman, residual distrust of peer-to-peer developer claims that their products cannot centrally filter should be evaluated, once and for all, by a neutral and highly competent scientific body such as the National Academy of Science. It is time to bring the endless rounds of "he said/she said" fulmination and speculation on this account to a responsible end with responsible science."

Full Article (http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=532) at Slyck

mountain_rage
July 22nd, 2004, 10:07 PM
I like how p2p united can throw alot more facts in orin hatch's face and he can't say anything about it showing is pure ignorance towards p2p file sharing.

CCSDUDE
July 22nd, 2004, 10:30 PM
Ah I remember the good ol days...

Shame Krell is gone... him an I really pissed the ESV owners off...they didn't take kindly to having ESV threads removed by us....lol

ducttapeBigSexy
July 22nd, 2004, 10:38 PM
You know, I had a feeling ES5 would fuck things up with their tactics - and, frankly, does anyone in their right mind even use that?!

cheapprick
July 22nd, 2004, 11:51 PM
Who cares about p2puntied? No, really.

A bunch of guys who were always in it for money. F@#$ them. I keep expecting them to hire MC Hammer to rattle off "2 legit 2 quit" as they warble around looking legitimate. While I do believe p2p has tremendous potential for legal applications, don't let the a-holes who make their money off the illegitimate uses tell me what p2p can be.

At least ES5 is upfront with the assholery.

Brycen257
July 23rd, 2004, 12:12 AM
I'm not an American so I am not affected directly by Brain dead- blow it out your ass Orrin Hatch but the things he does and says definitely do concern me. Is this asshole :

A. Totally and completely devoid of any active brain cells ?
B. Bought and paid for by the Music Industry ?
C. An Alien life form in league with Michael Jackson (come on , this guy can't be human, can he) ?
D. An evil robot from the future " Big Brother " regime sent to usher in a new era of authoritarianism and destruction of civil liberties ?
E. A chicken-shit girlie-man ?
F. All of the above.?

Zeropaid members, post your comments as to what you think Orrin Hatch really is . I also invite comments as to what should be done with him. Would cryogenic freezing possibly be an answer ? In the alternative, could we deport him to one of the moons of Saturn? ANyone else have some evil plans for the demented Orrin Hatch ? :devil

Lehk
July 23rd, 2004, 12:25 AM
I really hope Orrin Hatch gets some kind of painful horrible disease, perhapse Strep-A flesh-eating bacteria or a brown recluse spider bite that necrotizes his arm or something. there are very fer people i would wish such a horrible fate on, but asshatch is one of them.

Kedamono
July 23rd, 2004, 12:26 AM
The printing press, internet, radio, and telephone can all be used to illegally transfer copyrighted material. Lets shut them down, too.

Cars an guns can be used to kill people. Let's sue their manufacturers. For that matter, electricity is dangerous. We'll have to shut down all electric power plants.

Miniver
July 23rd, 2004, 02:04 PM
There's no way this bill will pass in its current form.

Siskabush
July 23rd, 2004, 03:00 PM
Orrin is just the Recording industries' bitch

.:sp00ky:.
July 28th, 2004, 07:58 PM
ermm il go with
D. An evil robot from the future " Big Brother " regime sent to usher in a new era of authoritarianism and destruction of civil liberties

moneoa
July 28th, 2004, 08:14 PM
its so clear now, orrin hatch used ES5 to download his pirated web server software.
Why? He obviously owns it and is using them for a propaganda war...yeah I like that one....

mojo-ris-in
August 16th, 2004, 05:54 PM
Who cares about p2puntied? No, really.

A bunch of guys who were always in it for money. F@#$ them. I keep expecting them to hire MC Hammer to rattle off "2 legit 2 quit" as they warble around looking legitimate. While I do believe p2p has tremendous potential for legal applications, don't let the a-holes who make their money off the illegitimate uses tell me what p2p can be.

At least ES5 is upfront with the assholery.

Upfront in a roundabout sort of way...LOL But I see where you're going and agree with you about P2P United.

method
August 16th, 2004, 09:56 PM
Always seemed weird that I could trace ES5's servers... BUT... the last hop was from a network in israel straight to ES5. (Suprisingly.. not via ANY other networks in the country they said they were in) - Not that this proves anything but I was always a little suspicious about that.

As for p2punited, it's good that they're fighting this but the underground or open-source movements aren't going to care what the law says or whether INDUCE goes though. If we have to, we'll just have to stop crediting developers for their innovation and then nobody can be blamed. Most p2punited members don't want to lose the profit they make from p2p, if there wasn't profit involved it'd be down to the EFF to fight this one.

riderx
July 25th, 2005, 08:09 PM
and look where p2p has gone today
no more bs