Canadian p2p

[streamlina]

k u no with the court decision. sharing music on p2p is legal as we know it right now. Is it legal to share movies and software as well, or just music?

[Gregory_JJ]

As far as I know it's legal for music only, since it was the record companies that filed suit, but the judgement could be possibly extend to movies as well. Software ... you're guess is as good as mine.

[hawkburn]

Canadians judges seem more leniant.. so if they turn down one multi-billion dollar company, I'm thinking they'll do that same to another. Software companies do keep track of whats being traded, although nothing but a certain version of a pay-for operating system source code that was released in the first year of the second millenia was ever sent a cease and desist letter for. Of course, Microsoft may not have prosecuted those who downloaded that certain something in Canada.

Anyway.. you should be happy your government doesn't take bribes... it shows that you live in a government truely made for the people, and not for corporate greed. Enjoy the Northern air, and never come to the States.

[Siskabush]

Its cold up here. But free legal downloads off of BitTorrent make up for it.

As far as I know, music is the only legit thing so far. But it might extend to all of P2P (Movies, software, etc...) seeing as the judge ruled it like a photocopier in a library.

But if you want to keep your soul clean just in case they make P2P evil up here, buy a big mac and get a free "legal" download off of sony connect. lol.

[mountain_rage]

Well from my understanding by the judge uploading was legal because he compared it to a photocopy machine in libraries. Basically you are not telling people to download your files they need to search for it and download it. You are just leaving it their for them to download you have no way of knowing that they do not have the right to hold it. Just like when people photocopy books the librarian has no capability of knowing that they do not that the right to do so. So to my understanding this would work for all filesharing all together. As for downloading I don't think I followed the casse or anything but basically you assume that the person sharing it with you has all the rights in giving it to you and that makes you inocent. Its the same as if you were to buy stollen goods, you did not know they were stollen hence they canot punish you for it. Worse casse scenario they would be able to take the stolen stuff away from you(the cops). In the casse of digital media I imagine they would just make you destroy the files, ex format your hd and maybe 0 it. Hope that clears it up for you. If im wrong someone correct me.

[Miniver]

Gotta love those kooky Canuckistanians!

[MushroomheadXIII]

It just shows how canadian judges are superior to american ones, they just don't care about small things like sharing music so heck they legalise it. In this case, canada gets the credit. I hardly ever download music anymore because i'm bored of it.

[mountain_rage]

I remember the cria talking about apealing the ruling, my guess is that their appeal got denied because we havn't heard of anything yet. The only worry I have now is that Paul Martin was talking against p2p and sharing music, he was supporting the music industrie and said he would update the law which scares me. Basically he caved into the americains, but maybe he won't get enough support to pass the law he does have a minority governement now so he does have to get votes from other parties to pass laws.

[moneoa]

Gotta love those kooky Canuckistanians!
amen to that, god bless our maple syrup :gj

[moneoa]

I remember the cria talking about apealing the ruling, my guess is that their appeal got denied because we havn't heard of anything yet. The only worry I have now is that Paul Martin was talking against p2p and sharing music, he was supporting the music industrie and said he would update the law which scares me. Basically he caved into the americains, but maybe he won't get enough support to pass the law he does have a minority governement now so he does have to get votes from other parties to pass laws.I dont think p2p is on the top of Pauls mind MR, with the last election
he saw you should not piss off your constituents. The status quo up here is more liberal
and we have had fair use laws for years and alot of voters would be pissed off if he did that
more important than capitulating to the americans the liberals capitulate to thier voters,
its how they have stayed in office for over 12 years, now with that said I am going to go smoke my quasi legal sweet canadian bc herbal goodness and expand my music library exponentially at absolutly no cost.....Ahhhh the maples......Personal rights before
commercial or regulatory garbage, THATS fu!Kin democracy!

Sorry guys we have it pretty sweet up here and this is one time I will wave it around like a flag

[moneoa]

See now that i've got that all rolling I will wake up tomorrow a very happy man
Refer to step one of previous statement move to step two and repeat

[shawners]

now if they can legalize pot.. well be in business.

[northwest stew]

now if they can legalize pot.. well be in business.
Our senetors are looking at a way too legalize it ,they will pass it back too the house very soon ,right now here in British Columbia the cops dont even bother ,even with grow ops they give you a slap on the wrist

[black_magiic]

So far I have heard that its legal to download/upload music, software is illegal period but I dont think they are trying to hunt you down and lastly movies are still a grey area no one has said anything either way its not illegal but its not legal if that makes any sense at all.

[The Hunter]

They are discussing the legalization of marijuna during a joint session.

[downloadalot]

As for downloading I don't think I followed the casse or anything but basically you assume that the person sharing it with you has all the rights in giving it to you and that makes you inocent. Its the same as if you were to buy stollen goods, you did not know they were stollen hence they canot punish you for it. Worse casse scenario they would be able to take the stolen stuff away from you(the cops). In the casse of digital media I imagine they would just make you destroy the files, ex format your hd and maybe 0 it. Hope that clears it up for you. If im wrong someone correct me.

You are wrong. Downloading is legal not because you assume the uploader as the rights to distribute the media (as the judge stated, there is no distribution, only "availability')media. It is merely legal because you copy it for your personnal use, wich is permitted by the law for the moment. :blah

[gajans]

Sorry to be a killjoy but:

· Is it legal to download movies, books, pictures or software from the Internet without the permission of the copyright holder?

No, the private-copying exemption only applies to sound recordings, such as songs, and not to movies, books, pictures, or software programs. Copying any of these works, if they are protected by copyright, would be an infringement of the copyright holder's exclusive right to reproduce their works or to authorize such reproduction.

Of course, if the work is in the public domain, i.e. no longer protected by copyright See CIPPIC Copyright FAQ "What is the public domain", or licenced under a public licence, i.e. the GNU Public Licence, Creative Commons, iCommons, etc. then you may have the right to do things with protected works that are normally restricted to copyright holders.





According to cippic ( www.cippic.ca ) and CanFLI ( www.canfli.org ) it's okay to download music because of the levies paid on recordable media but anything else is illegal. I suggest going to the sites and reading more cuz i just kinda scanned through it

[moneoa]

They are discussing the legalization of marijuna during a joint session.They have for a few years but the thing of note is that the law is so loosley
enforced at this time anyways its almost legal. I can smoke a joint walking down the street
here and no stazi will show up and lay the smack down.
sorry I knwo this is not the subject of the thread but it is one of many freedoms
that do seperate us from our american brothers

[streamlina]

k thanks guys

[Siskabush]

They have for a few years but the thing of note is that the law is so loosley
enforced at this time anyways its almost legal. I can smoke a joint walking down the street
here and no stazi will show up and lay the smack down.
sorry I knwo this is not the subject of the thread but it is one of many freedoms
that do seperate us from our american brothers

Yeah, I can agree. I dont smoke up, but a cop pulled me and my friend over and asked "Did you guys smoke up tonight, not that it matters though." Sure, it may seem like he is tricking us, but Ive been pulled over many times, asked if i was stoned/impaired and none ever said id didnt matter.

lol

[moneoa]

The copyright levies up here also now apply to HDD in things like the i-pod
and usb storage. We have go the right idea here.
Its a shame the american government is too tied up in corporate interests to approach
file sharing reaonably