Traders must die!!!

[Gnidrologist]

What is this with winmx?! Why this is only p2p network and app which alows such nonsense?! :devil2
I'm mostly away from my pc and I can't help it. When I get home, there's always a couple of hundred messages containing this information in average - ''TRADE?''
Ok, I know winmx is somewhat special with this kind of ''feature'', but that doesn't mean I have to like it. Winmx is not a file sharing app, it's some sort of arabian marketplace.
You have to be always around your pc and respond very quickly if a message comes in, otherwise you will loose that user, coz he'll ignore you, coz he thinks - ''if that man is downloading from me, he owes me favour, so he must start my transfer''.
That's complete bullshit! There must be a way to ban from servers and winmx network those fukin muthafukas who disconnects you, because you didn't start their fukin transfer. :shoot
I don't understand, do I owe them just because I have waited in his queue for 5 days and now, when that precious download finaly starts he disconnects me, because he thinks I have to offer him something for trade. :green5
In DC++ hub owners (bots rather) usually ban users who intentionaly disconnect other users and that's the right thing to do with such shitheads :black
When does it stop??!!
Will this function be revisited and hopefully removed?
I'm having this rant, because I really like opennap network in which you can find really rare file no other network contains, otherwisely I wouldn't bother.

[Miniver]

pah... 5 days?! I don't wait five days for anything...i don't even wait one. Screw that. What's the point.

[Crazy Horse]

Every program has that problem. It's not the program at blame-It's the assholes using the program. Let's be perfectly clear where to place the blame-there's always going to be assholes. No programmer in the world is going to completely beat the asshole factor. Thankfully they are a minority-most people are willing to accomodate.

[serrebi101]

WinMX is huge on trading. I ran it for an hour and had several anoying people continusly ask for a trade.
I share 80gb of quality stuff, I told the user to brows my files, again, he/she asked me to trade, then I ranted onto him how bad trading was to the WinMX network, wich it is!

[multi]

That's complete bullshit! There must be a way to ban from servers and winmx network those fukin muthafukas who disconnects you, because you didn't start their fukin transfer. :shoot

perhaps if you ran something like protowall..you could add that users ip to the blocklist.p2p
and they probably wont be visable on winmx or any other p2p app for quite awhile...:love

[grab_grab_the_haddock]

Trading is a sensible and productive way for hardcore filesharers to use winMX.

When i used winMX i always traded. Why should i let some idiot with a few eminem mp3's to the front of my Q, when someone with rare files i really want goes to the back?

If you are sick of traders not letting you download, heres a tip: get some decent files yourself that people might actually want, then you can find similar people to trade with and always get to the front of the Q.

[Unsueable Davey Brown]

I have a question.

If you're trading something not in your shared folder, are you breaking the law?

I don't understand the details of this. I mean there's the fair use thing, then I believe you can sell something if you own it, so can't you also trade it, or does the fact that you continue to own the original make it illegal?

[Gnidrologist]

perhaps if you ran something like protowall..you could add that users ip to the blocklist.p2p
and they probably wont be visable on winmx or any other p2p app for quite awhile...:love
Of course i can ban the user, no ip blocking needed, just put him ito ignored list, taht? all.
My point was, that they should ban those fukers from the whole network, because it's no good to behave that way on p2p network.
And to Miniver. Ok, I exaggerated about these 5 days, but not too much. As I said, I use winmx to get those rare files which only one or two usres in whole world have so it's normal that I'm so suspiciously patient sometimes.

[begoodbebad]

Ban everyone. Everywhere. Always. Traders, leeches, uploaders, downloaders, freeloaders, broadcasters, postmen (sorry shawners), the paper boy, UPS, Fed-Ex...Ban them all, no exceptions.

[Gnidrologist]

Trading is a sensible and productive way for hardcore filesharers to use winMX.

When i used winMX i always traded. Why should i let some idiot with a few eminem mp3's to the front of my Q, when someone with rare files i really want goes to the back?

If you are sick of traders not letting you download, heres a tip: get some decent files yourself that people might actually want, then you can find similar people to trade with and always get to the front of the Q.


I have oh so many rare files (music videos specially) and that is the main reason why all these traders come to me with proposals. I'm thinking now, maybe it's better to share some crappy eminem mp3 so noone wil bother me about trading.
And as I said, I can't attend my pc which runs 24/7 all day, so there'll always be a hundreds of messages, that I didn't reply. And why should I, really?

[begoodbebad]

I have oh so many rare files (music videos specially) and that is the main reason why all these traders come to me with proposals. I'm thinking now, maybe it's better to share some crappy eminem mp3 so noone wil bother me about trading. I'll trade you three of your eminems for 5 of my britneys

[Gnidrologist]

thanks begoodbebad, you were very helpfull :shoot

[phuquit]

The ones that really piss me off are the "can you start me?" brigade. When that comes up I ask them what makes them so special that they don't have to queue like everyone else. So far I have not recieved an answer. But forget them, the ones that really really piss me off are the ones who ask to be started and it turns out are leeches when you do a browse. I had someone hassle me for a start who had zero files shared and when I asked "Are you serious?" His reply was a very innocent seeming "Yes, why?"

[shawners]

Awww begoodbebad, you sold me out like that.. Oh man. it was like that way back on mIRC. They want a file but will send this file and offer this one for that. Instead of just letting people send it out. IT may been good back then, to insure people to get more files rather then downloading and leaving. But there is so many sources and so much stuff out there. That trading is essentially obsolete. I mean, does anyone have that one file that you couldnt absolutely get from someone else? You know what i would do. I would say i like to make a trade.. make the trade for that file. .PUT IT in your shared folder and tell them.. HEY, IM SHARINg the file we traded for, since your too much of an ass to give it out.. AND JUST STay in that channel offering that file or what not. =)

[Ticalrida]

the problem is the queues if u trade u get to dl a file

[Nothingface5384]

i dont care for trading but selective sharing is better then not sharing at all...aka leeching :-D

[Mels_Smileys45]

You can turn off messaging. Simple, you wont get another, ever.

I agree with Grab, trading is awesome! I have lots of friends who rip their own DVDs on winmx and offer tons of hard to get stuff. If you don't like trading, switch networks. Why hang around bitching? When I'm trading I also don't have to worry about the MPAA or other assholes who might be out to get me. Trading in winmx is by design. Its meant to be that way. Thats why the chat rooms are so huge. For those who don't have time to monitor their connection, theres a program called mxmoni. Most people who use it put it in their name like "moni_mel". When you see these names in your que, you can browse their folder, pick a file and when you start them, your file will start too. I do this very OFTEN! I know I'm waisting my time on everyone who thinks every program should work like KaZaa but having programs that work differently and address others needs is why there are more than one P2P program. So you can switch if you don't like it.

Winmx attracts many ripping groups because they can control where their work is going. I control my own rips too. I do not demand trades but I do accept them. I do not allow leeches and I try to pick people who are sharing partials so my rips will have a chance to spread fast. Thats all my choice on how I run my shit. Don't get mad at other users because you can't get "barely Legal Vol 25" so you can wank off right away because you're too ashamed to ask for it!.

Everyone has a choice. You can choose to go elsewhere if you don't like the Winmx community or do not want to chat it up while downloading and wanking.

[shawners]

Even if you rip your own private dvd or hard to get stuff.. THeres at least 300 copies of it somewhere else. No one is the first and only one to release anything. I dont care of what network you was watching at one time and recorded it. The fact is it was being shown in more then your home and replayed several times. The fact is, you share the file for a week and pass it on. Anybody can be anybody, it could be the riaa asking for a file or mpaa.. You trust random file traders? Your file may not be a good enough file.. what if i viewed it after trading with you, and see it ripped poorly. File traders will fail to exist in no time at all. Obviously someone wants something and will obtain it from you, thus sharing it with others or trading it with others.. soon the file you ripped is all over the net and doesnt hold value as why would they trade with you. File traders are exactly that. Traders of the community destined to give to each other.

[Mels_Smileys45]

I want my files to be wide spread. There are still a lot of old vids that can not be found at all. I even have some DVDs that are out of print and no longer available. When I use other networks, which I do not anymore, there is no trading. I'm using open nap. The server I use, If you don't trade you get banned. The rules are very strict. If you do not get invited there you are not allowed. Its only for hard to get movies and you MUST share 80 gigs of only movies. So we are not hurting anyone. Its our server and we run it how we please.

[shawners]

yeah but the potential of someone having something yOU want that you have not obtained, like to have.. are slim to none. Back in the day it was ok. For one reason, no one had the resources, hard drive storage, time, software, system to get all the stuff loaded on the pc. So trading was essential so no one leaves without making a party happy. Now days, if you ask for a file, theres so many sources, and people will give without wanting in return. Since they are getting something themselfs from someone else. YOur files are out there, and soon as someone gets them. He will share them down the line, which will make the files you have, not all that impressive. What are you looking for as in files that must be traded? What files or videos do you have that another may want? How can you contain the idea that your the only one that ripped the video or the rare stuff. Whos to say what you traded isnt already out in about another network? Theres nothing wrong with trading files/movies with friends, its essential in any relationship. So essentially you all will end up owning each others files, then that person will share with another group, and another, and another. So basically it still get weeded into the other networks.

[Mels_Smileys45]

You seem to miss the point I'm trying to make. I understand the chances are huge that other people might rip older movies or foreign films and thats dandy. I get off on trying to fill in voids that have not been addressed. I do not, and I can't state this enough apparently, I do not demand trades. If some one messages me and says " hey I've been wanting such and such movie forever" I first ask them are they willing to put it in their folder so others can download it as well. I'm not trying to hoard my files at all. One of my latest additions is Sublime "tales. lies and exaggerations" cut into 3 vcd files since its over 3 hours long. I'm sure other people have it but I have not seen it anywhere else. I had to make a copy from my VHS tape because I could not find it on DVD. Also I like to rip "the making of---" parts of DVDs that most people don't bother with. I'm big on documentary's. Once my hard drive is full from open nap trading, I usually, about mid week, connect to winmx and let the uploads go with out downloading a single thing till I can clear some room on my drives. How many people just let uploads go on when they are not even downloading? Not too damn many. For me its not all about "oh look what I got" type thing. I'm just trying to offer vids that I own so others can enjoy them. Another example is I used to tape a lot of TV movies way back before file sharing came along. These movies you cant buy anywhere and are not shown anymore. Like the Three Stooges Life story mini series, which I haven't got around to actually ripping yet but its high on my list. I have a few people that keep asking me to do it I just have not had the space and time. But don't fool yourself either. 99% of file sharers never even try to offer something new. At least I try and its something I enjoy doing. When I see a file I ripped now has many sources it makes me feel good, as corny as that sounds, its true. Most all good rips come from certain groups and then are carried over to all networks. There are many different names in the ripping group world and I'm sure you've seen some of them attached to videos you have downloaded. Don't you ever wonder who these people are? Most are vain son of a bitches and in my opinion.No one should ever attach their name or group name to any vid. I hope you see and understand this is a hobby of mine and I'm just trying to provide more good content for everyone in the long run. I want others to see the same movies I enjoy.

[Mels_Smileys45]

And I'm happy I can make Shawners write more than one sentence in his posts! lol


J/K

[DampCold]

Hey look! It's a trader! Lets lynch him!

/me point to the file trader

[Mels_Smileys45]

I've been lynched far too many times to count. Just don't give me a wedgy or a purple nurple!

[shawners]

i understand you more. I was thinking that your just in a group trading among each others, and if others what to trade, they have to have something your looking for. give without getting is the best. But what the thing i saw on winmx, is you get queued up in line.. later you get disconnected and the person will say, im trading only. Which pisses everyone off. I shared so much on mIRC, its so unreal. I have seen queues so long from other people, that it just dwindles down the list of names. I remember the good days of audiogalaxy. I shared so much in that one, since you can download how much you can upload. I liked that community, you join a group, make request and someone will queue you for it. Rather getting denied access to a chat in winmx if you havent anything to trade. I have had music files,videos but they had the same as me so it wasnt a go.

[Gnidrologist]

The point of this trad was not that trading is always bad in winmx/opennap itself. Sometimes it's usefull. Problem is, that too many winmx using people are too use to it and have too much spare time to send messages to everyone they have in their ques. And on top of it, quite a lot of them has a habit to cancel your download or even ignore you, if you do not coopearate with them as they please. That is completely unacceptable. I don't feel like I have a duty to sit around my pc 24 hours a day to please all dickheads who send me 50 messages a day.

And don't tell me to go to kazaa or something. I'm not new to p2pring, I know very well the different type of apps and networks. WPN and opennap has these flaws that I don't like and I'll never accept them if they'll remain. You just can't transform a filesharing network to a private trading centre because it's not what it's ment to be.

And I never go to the chatrooms or whatever, I'm here to share and be shared with. Chatrooms are for the ones who like to chat there'n'there'n'everywhere. I don't care. And don't tell me about some mystic winmx community, there is no such. There's only about a 2-3% of all the winmx users who use the chatroom function and hopefully 10% know that such function even exists.

File sharing must be cold as ice. Equal conditions to everyone, no trades, no ''start me start you'', just a pure mechanism driven by precise algorythms.

[Mels_Smileys45]

Well its nice that you pulled those figures out of your ass, or else you know more than anyone else about winmx, I'm sure. I would disagree on your opinion of what winmx is meant for, Its obvious to me that its set up for trading. You can see your upload que list which makes it easy to trade and the chat rooms are good places to meet up. Trade or no, its still a good network. I used the WPN for years without trading and had no problems. Its just now I'm on a different side of things that I will not get into or rehash anymore. we are beating a dead horse here.

The shit I hate is like this message I came home to tonight which said: " I've started you, you have 5 minutes to start me or get canceled." Then another message that said: "Good bye!"

I Just sent him a flaming message that would make your ears burn and then put him on my ignore list.

[method]

Every program has that problem. It's not the program at blame-It's the assholes using the program. Let's be perfectly clear where to place the blame-there's always going to be assholes. No programmer in the world is going to completely beat the asshole factor. Thankfully they are a minority-most people are willing to accomodate.

Well.. there is BitTorrent...

Some trackers require general-ratios and others use a credit system so you'll be able to DL segments from users you've UL'd to on that particular torrent. It's no wonder BT has more traffic than KaZaA. ;)

[maartendc]

If everybody just SHARES everything he's got. Then there's no problem is there?
You just upload a lot of stuff, and download a lot of stuff from other users. It doesn't have to be the same user. That way, your files are available to anyone who wants them, not just the people that have something you want. And that way, all files are available to you, not just the files from people who like something you have. If everyone would trade, then files wouldn't get around, because no-one would have any files to begin with, unless they rip em themselves.

In short: TRADING SUCKS

[Dr. Mugabe]

Mels,

your comments are a sane response to the extreme nonsense some other posters have written. When I started using WinMX 3 years ago I had only mp3s because I was a refugee from Audio Galaxy and I had only a dial up modem. People are hardly ever strict traders and I started by collecting short cartoons. At first most users would just cancel me but as I got more stuff, a better connection and multi-source d/ls things got better.

To those frustrated with trading I say: "BE PATIENT"! Yes, there is a type of hierarchy with WinMX- those with more stuff try to seek out each other, but as you move up the ladder you will find yourself increasingly popular and users will ask YOU to trade rather than the other way around. WinMX works best if you leave it on all the time. Some trades are a bad idea because of unstable connections but you will get hold of stuff if you wait long enough and share everything good that you get.

[Dr. Mugabe]

Gnidrologist,

there are a few arseholes out there but most of us are fair. I have had someone instuct me to start their d/l within 30s or get cancelled. If it was possible to pull the wire connecting me to that user very hard to trash his machine I would but it's not, so don't get angry. I usually give someone a reasonable time and then give them 10% until they reply. Most people are at work or asleep when you message them, any sane person knows that.

[Mels_Smileys45]

Mels,

your comments are a sane response to the extreme nonsense some other posters have written. When I started using WinMX 3 years ago I had only mp3s because I was a refugee from Audio Galaxy and I had only a dial up modem. People are hardly ever strict traders and I started by collecting short cartoons. At first most users would just cancel me but as I got more stuff, a better connection and multi-source d/ls things got better.

To those frustrated with trading I say: "BE PATIENT"! Yes, there is a type of hierarchy with WinMX- those with more stuff try to seek out each other, but as you move up the ladder you will find yourself increasingly popular and users will ask YOU to trade rather than the other way around. WinMX works best if you leave it on all the time. Some trades are a bad idea because of unstable connections but you will get hold of stuff if you wait long enough and share everything good that you get.

Thanks, :;) its nice for once to have some one on my side! lol
Its seems some are way too uptight about how others use their computers

[Gnidrologist]

Naah, I'm not uptight about them :love, I just want to kill them :shoot:cross

[Gnidrologist]

Just joking(or am I :black).
There's nothing I disagree with what you said.
Maybe I should've name this thread ''traders-blackmailers must die''.
Although I'm getting tired of trading with ''good'' people too especially because of frequent connection timeout thing which forces me to glance at monitor every now and then to check if I have to restart transfer or send message asking for requeing.

[Dr. Mugabe]

I would recommend using QuickMX but I know that is going to open another can of worms here.