To the mods and members of Zeropaid, a moment (dont cry cause its only truthful)

[moneoa]

For the community concerning mods:
The only problem I can see here is the percived problem of mods supposedly being Nazi's
and lamers who refuse to acknowledge they are a part of the problem
Now one mod was run off, yes run off because of relentless attempts to potray him as the devil.
The truth is he was just a dude with his own opinion on whats appropriate or not.
Whats the big fucking surprise?
Mods will moderate and all have thier own opinions and outlooks on how to do things.
Its called being an individual.
Rickio is right, there ARE some lame threads (some of which I am guilty for posting in)
and while I am thinking this is not a problem when just on occasion
but when it happens like it happens here aka "ALL AT ONCE" it becomes a problem.

The simple fact is mods have to go through old threads and clean up, this is part of what
a mod does. If they didnt work on our behalf keeping them clean the forum would be a goddamn wasteland,
so some of us need to get off of the
"Mods are responsible for the stupid shit I post" trains.
Fact is my friend if you didnt post the needless/useless thread a mod wouldnt have to wipe your nose
and start a spate of bitching that mods arbitrarily close threads. For your comparison:
You are in the middle of a mass babysit and the kids wont stop fucking around and throwing shit everywhere,
forcing the parent figure to clean up ALL the time.
Now picture not really getting paid for it. Not very fucking stellar is it? :shoot
I think its important to note as well that the majority of posters here ARE responsible.
The lame threads aren't a constant. They come in waves (anyone else notice?)
for MONTHS its all decent then the boards fill with crap
(usually prompted by one thread that makes others post silly ones)

For the Senior Members:
None of you deserve to be banned but your cynisim tends to rub of in the extreme, for
example when posting on a newbies thread titled "Kazaa?"
Yes we ALL know Kazaa sucks balls but this person might not.
There are plenty of polite ways to inform without flaming and
then being "whoops buddy, its just a joke after all" Well maybe to one party but the new
guy who is not familliar with you would probably feel dejected after 1-2 of them from seniors.
If you have nothing positive to say about it then "don't" Most of the time there is someone in the forum more than happy to answer.
Case and point an es5 thread the other day "dude said whats up with this" potato who simply pointed the way to thier forum and said
"if you have questions, try here" Used to be in the days of yore the mere mention of es5 would start a wild flaming torrent of shit.
Diplomacy works wonders though and its entirely possible to politely warn about the shitty merits of a prog while still giving them the info they ask for.
Let them find out themselves how lame it is.
This should be followed by a notation that I have no prob with any of the supposed
"a$$hole$" Like LOTD poninted out, not everyone has these "rough" inital experinces.
So its not like its systemic..so banning is really not necissary. :bling

For the rest of us:
This is a place to ask questions, if people have a problem with that then dont start
thinking your shit doesn't stink too. Odds are you came here at the start to ask a question.
Thats why we are here, to help while having fun doing it.
If thats too much for you find a crappy forum where the mods are useless and its full of shit because of no maintenance
and a long line of smelly twat eaters posting anything that comes in on a fart in the wind.
but hey, you could do what you like right? :shoot

To the Mods:
Thank you very much for your efforts in making this site a good one by
enforcing the rules but being fair when warrented and letting posters goof off every once in a while. :goodjob
Janett, CH you two really do give off the vibe of enjoyment when you help people.
Its done without cause and with compassion when needed and we need more human beings like that in the world
(the previous statement applies to hunter as well, I know your not a mod anymore but you deserve the cudos just as much)
and thank you Rickio for not lecturing some of us on being asses even though some of us deserved it.

To Jorge
Thank you for your efforts with this site, without zeropaid the small but diverse
community of p2p sites would be a little smaller and a little more dull.
Your site has come a long way and it adds to the richness of the landscape,
some might bitch but I can be confident when I say the majority of us DO
appreciate the little space you set up here for us.

I figured with the "why the hell" thread that SOMEBODY needed to take a fresh
outlook on it. You know this pretty much means there IS NO PROBLEM here
with the exception of some dramatics that might be better left to
"Days of our Lives"

Happy fathers day everyone and I sincerely hope you all have a fab day

Peace! :tilted

[shawners]

wheres my thank you? ? Do i not bleed when bleeding?? Do i not cry when tears are tearing.. DO i not feel when my body goes numb? Tuesday im going to reserve a thread to be used. It be good news.. It may not be posted depending on what happens. But i will tell you when im ready.

[method]

Uh... okay.. so a mod disappeared and now people are finding that threads with non-republican views remain open rather than getting closed for no decent reason... really.. what a shame!!

The majority of mods are appreciated for their work. If I'm assuming correctly, we're talking about seph.. his good modding was appreciated too... it was just the volume of unnecessary action for trivial reasons. Although I did want him to chill on thread-closing - I never said I wanted to see him go or expressed any opinion that he should be unwelcome anywhere... just that closing a thread because it contradicts your political beliefs is not right.

[moneoa]

Uh... okay.. so a mod disappeared and now people are finding that threads with non-republican views remain open rather than getting closed for no decent reason... really.. what a shame!!

The majority of mods are appreciated for their work. If I'm assuming correctly, we're talking about seph.. his good modding was appreciated too... it was just the volume of unnecessary action for trivial reasons. Although I did want him to chill on thread-closing - I never said I wanted to see him go or expressed any opinion that he should be unwelcome anywhere... just that closing a thread because it contradicts your political beliefs is not right.
The thread is NOT about Seph, he was just another example of dramatics
and the results of
what I am talking about is this perception that something is "seriously wrong" here
Read the whole post, the only thing wrong here is people blowing crap out of proportion
and then blaming it on the nine hells. People point at the senior members and say
"its them, then some look at the mods and say "its them"
"somethings gotta give"

Its all crap though, none of this is needed.
there is no scooby doo mystery its all a matter of courtesy and respect

[nasrules]

I hate to say it, but there are things 'seriously wrong' with most communities, and with 200,000+ members, conflict is to be expected.

[alliercollins]

I don't want to judge your approach or the whole thread itself. It's not my place to question the mods or the site. One thing though that you brought up that Iw as thinking about myself was the scaring off of new members. People who ask questions without searching shouldn't be yelled at or run off, they should be taught what to do in a nice manner and we should try to answer their questions.

We have to come to realize that all new file sharers are drawn to kazaa for the simple reason that it is the biggest and best known file sharing program that still exists, while also being the longest running at this point, as far as I know. I mean napster was the first and everyone moved to the kazaa, morpheus, and grokster after. People go to it and we need to sit down, explain their options, and allow them to make an educated choice.

I don't mind answering every single thread individually. It assures that threads stay updated, stay small, and stay up in the forums so that people can read them. I welcome a "noob" coming in each week to say something about kazaa so the rest of the "noobs" for the rest of the week will have something to learn from.

It bothers me also that people seem to hate the best of threads and always will point to past ones. You have to remember, what is the best this week may not be the best next week. Software changes, opinions change, and so forth. Who cares if someone starts a new one every day. Back before Limewire went ads free, many people would not mention that in a thread for best of Gnutella apps, but they day after it would have been spammed all over that thread. If someone comes to Zeropaid now and asks what is the best Gnutella client, do we point them to that thread or try to talk about what is the best today?

People just have to remember that software changes and there will always be new people looking for that software. It doesn't just go for software, but you get the point. The best way to educate people is to help them individually, so they can strengthen the community. I don't think that scaring them off or pointing them to outdated threads are going to help them in the long run.

Here is just an example to back up what I am trying to say:

http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=20818

[moneoa]

I hate to say it, but there are things 'seriously wrong' with most communities, and with 200,000+ members, conflict is to be expected.
This is part of my point, rather than open up a hundred + posts on "the problem"
realise alot of it is just a part of life. Aside from whining about it, have an open mind.

[Psilaxs]

Where is all this talk of problems coming from? it seems rather contrived as if someone is trying to start trouble.

We have not been having ANY trouble so to speak since it was dealt with a couple of months ago.

Crazyhorse Rickio Jennet and The Hunter have been busting their ass keeping the forums running smoothly. All the time they spend on this board working because it is a labor of love.

[moneoa]

I don't want to judge your approach
The only reason I did it this way man was to put the point out.
I knew if I went into one of the endless threads full of moaning about how the site works
and posted this it would recieve a short glance.

I just felt it had to be said.

[moneoa]

Where is all this talk of problems coming from? it seems rather contrived as if someone is trying to start trouble.

We have not been having ANY trouble so to speak since it was dealt with a couple of months ago.

Crazyhorse Rickio Jennet and The Hunter have been busting their ass keeping the forums running smoothly. All the time they spend on this board working because it is a labor of love.
Thats why I said thank you, I didnt burn anyone in my post.
Just listed some observations because such threads still pop up
like the recent one concerning posts, it turned into a table session
on how its not right to delete some threads. Then someone alluded it was heavy handed moderating.

so rather than try to dig shit I am just saying we can all help cut some and
give props to all the people who make this site good,

[crackerjacker]

Where is all this talk of problems coming from? it seems rather contrived as if someone is trying to start trouble.

We have not been having ANY trouble so to speak since it was dealt with a couple of months ago.

Crazyhorse Rickio Jennet and The Hunter have been busting their ass keeping the forums running smoothly. All the time they spend on this board working because it is a labor of love.
i want steak for dinner with french fries and a nice salad pick up the tab for me psi? thanks
love and peace

[moneoa]

and again I am not talking about how things were "fixed" a few months ago.
Get off of the fact I mentioned said person as an EXAMPLE
I was trying to potray how silly it can become.
Still is kinda.

[shawners]

Yeah i feel that if our main members who post was more noobfriendly and curtious. I think their be 20 times as much members posting. And more pages of insight.

[Psilaxs]

and again I am not talking about how things were "fixed" a few months ago.
Get off of the fact I mentioned said person as an EXAMPLE
I was trying to potray how silly it can become.
Still is kinda.

I know, My post was a supplement to yours, not directed at you. I still see posts every now and then about people complaining etc when things are so much better than they used to be. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[moneoa]

http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=20884 ("http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=20884)

This recent thread for example, obviously Rickio had something to say
this is also why I did thank them and let them know its appreciated

[moneoa]

I know, My post was a supplement to yours, not directed at you. I still see posts every now and then about people complaining etc when things are so much better than they used to be. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
lol no worries psi, I had the thought that like a certain prog the mention of a certain guy
might just open up the comment to a bunch of lame flaming :gj

when that was not my intention, and they are good. (the intentions)
and its o.k if some dont agree with me either.
Its the beauty of free choice

[moneoa]

:tilted Ya, Its the way I read it Psi I thought you were asking me in reference to my post.
I get the context now though, just took me a second.

[Mels_Smileys45]

I think the "waves" come from a concentrated few who wish to run this forum into the ground for their own purposes.

[MoonMan]

Just because a few members disagree with something that Rickio/Hunter/Janet may or may not do does NOT mean it's the same situation with some of our past mods. And yes, sometimes I may question a decision or two made by a moderator. So fucking what.

I think that the current mod team is very reasonable and intelligent enough to maintain order without ruining the overall forum quality. My history with some asshole who somehow came to power here at one point should not apply at all to the current situation.

[moneoa]

Just because a few members disagree with something that Rickio/Hunter/Janet may or may not do does NOT mean it's the same situation with some of our past mods. And yes, sometimes I may question a decision or two made by a moderator. So fucking what.

I think that the current mod team is very reasonable and intelligent enough to maintain order without ruining the overall forum quality. My history with some asshole who somehow came to power here at one point should not apply at all to the current situation.
It doesn't, only in your head. Read the whole thread, it was a commentary.
and get over yourself moonie cause the thread is not a commentary about you and said person. It encompasses the last few months. I promise there is nobody I am getting one up on

[crackerjacker]

cj is awesome
wanna know my opinion i agree with you 100 percent being awesome

[rainbowdemon]

Janett, CH you two really do give off the vibe of enjoyment when you help people.
Its done without cause and with compassion when needed and we need more human beings like that in the world
(the previous statement applies to hunter as well

Very well put. I have a great admiration for these three people. They are the best!!

[moneoa]

Its important to get across for me that this is not a dig against any group or person.
I really didnt think my post came off that way and if it did I am sorry.
I can't say my methods are any better than the bitch threads except to say this is the bitch thread about the bitching. I was only pointing out that the people who bitch about the endless problems here
(thier words not mine) need to think long and hard about what "endless" entails because most problems are sole on the poster. Like a few have caught on to my point, and agree.
Most problems raised on this site about the site are needless brainfarts usually coming from
people who somehow feel slighted by the site. I agree with Mel, Its just shit disturbers trying to
crap out the forums for thier own purposes

[MoonMan]

It doesn't, only in your head. Read the whole thread, it was a commentary.
and get over yourself moonie cause the thread is not a commentary about you and said person. It encompasses the last few months. I promise there is nobody I am getting one up on

??

I'm pretty certain that I am allowed to add input too. If you hadn't noticed, there was more than just a few months of what I am referring to. Your thread was a direct attack on anyone who ever questioned something a mod did. I wasn't implying that it was about me though, just giving you MY perspective.

[moneoa]

Your thread was a direct attack on anyone who ever questioned something a mod did. .
I didnt mean to make it sound like that, I was just trying to group all of the problems into one post. Said happeneings with former mods are in the past of course.
Thats why the post didnt just dwell on mod complaints but comlaints in general.

as for any attempt by me to apparently silence you, Mike its not like that.
*LOL* I know I broached a paticular subject and its a sensitive one.
I just want everyone to know I am not out to offend anyone.
like I said, only an observation.

[moneoa]

btw I do acknowledge I was rude by telling moonman to get over himself and essentially be quiet.
I know its a bit of a hypocrasy especially after I said "you can disagree"
I just didnt want the point being narrowed down to a sole subject.
Especially concerning seph

[moneoa]

:bling The problem with me is easily solved, I don't need to endlessly debate the meaning of the thread.
Thats how shit blows up. I will be happy leaving it as is and let people draw thier own conclusions.
So thanks all for listening to one long damn post

[crackerjacker]

:bling dam i am awesome

i am awesome ty

[moneoa]

i am awesome ty
Yes! :fire

[method]

As Psilaxs said.. I didn't think we had probs for quite a while here. (and I'm not attributing that to anything either).. thing just seem more chilled here than they have for a while!

I've seen worse times on ZP.. EmpireDRM rants, ES5 fanboys and so on..

[Mels_Smileys45]

Sometimes it takes new members to identify the problems. Some are blinded by their perception of being a "senior member" and think everything they do is alright.

PM a mod if you feel their actions are not appropriate. Grandstand whining posts are self serving BS.

[notbob]

I don't want to judge your approach or the whole thread itself. It's not my place to question the mods or the site.

yes it is our place

mods are not omnipotent omnicient demigods that never make mistakes

if they screw up, stick it to them--if they are good mods, they will realize their mistakes, and if not, they'll go on a power trip and ban all critics

that was the problem we had before, and i don't see it anymore

[Dark Messenger]

I haven't noticed any problems since Seph left. I do disagree with deleting threads..now let me explain why deleting threads is a problem..as Hunter put it...not 'attacking' you, buddy.."they were deleted because people complained about threads being closed."

As a moderator on several different sites myself...I know that the "thread closing" tactic is a good one for getting controversial threads out of the limelight and off the frontpage..by not letting them get bumped to the front of the line with new replies..this is a very effective approach at modding 'embarassing threads' that are critical of the administration..be it mods or admins in question.

However deleting those posts is an 'act of aggression' and will only serve to anger all parties involved..prompting more embarassing threads that "need" deleting.

Not every thread is closed for this reason. It creates more strife and controversy to delete a thread than it does to close it..sure closed threads are no fun because you can't post in them anymore..but they are often fun to read and or whatever you do with them.

When you delete a thread it gives the impression of 'something to hide' and creates suspicion in member's minds as to why the thread was deleted..typically the first question that comes to mind is "why"

I don't care to know the reason...its not up to the members to involve themselves in forum moderation...it's not our business to do so..although I do take credit for both Krell's and Sephiroth's dismissal I cannot be held accountable for Rickio ever increasing dramatics.

If he doesn't buckle down and start towing the line..he may be the next to be ousted in my clever coupe of zeropaid.

I've already infiltrated the notorious chat gang clique..and soon I shall gain enouch electoral votes to be considered janet999's running mate here on the forum..and together we shall breed a race of perfect forum moderators who never make controversial decisions and whose actions please everybody all the time.

[Rickio]

This is all so fucking funny and people relax and forget...
I deleted two threads and closed 2 maybe 3 threads. I did not delete moonman's thread and it was all in reaction to seeing things go wonky for a bit.

As you see we subsequently had several more way lame threads and we as mods all let it go, even though they seemed like Mod bait.

Why? Just to show you we are not here to stop the fun or the show from going on.

I am not uptight but I get bored of lame threads. Especially insulting threads and the ones where noobs get lost in the inside jokes and perverse joking. So that is my problem huh?

It's all cool and let it all go. I am way reasonable and willing to listen to common sense and logic. As well as willing to be polite and respectful. But I go off when I see a lot of disresepct and then I might just have to take a break or close a thread or two.

We as mods try and coordinate but it's not always perfect. No one is perfect. If we upset anyone, that was not why we closed threads. But to catch your attention to chill out.

We all want the same things in general. I'd say that is a place to come and chat and have some fun. So keep it that way if you want it that way.

respect others should also be mentioned.
peace

you can always pm or email me, and Moonman I found your email. My email app was not configured correctly and it placed it at the bottom instead of the top of newly arrived emails. Sorry about that, it's fixed now.

[Potato]

We're like a big dysfunctional family. Infact, I think we all get along better than my family.

It's the same sort of things that keep coming up time after time. In waves, like someone mentioned. Full moon perhaps? No sex? Who knows. It really does seem like we all know how to act around each other (for the most part, we all seem to get in our little moods and shit can fly), so why can't we just be like that all the time? We all have different backgrounds and perspectives, why can't we respect each other?

I think a lot of the problems here have to do with miscommunication. People not understanding each other then getting all worked up about something that doesn't matter, or an opinion that never really existed.

[Mels_Smileys45]

I say its the lack of sex thing.



Thats my general problem anyway.

[Crazy Horse]

Alot of good things have been said in this thread.

Thanx Moneoa for your commentary and getting those thoughts out there. I tried (as did all the other mods) to say the same thing about a little fun was ok but when we have a shitload of useless, flaming, pointless & just plain bullshit threads going all at once-for no good reason than a select few want to bark at the moon and cause a load of shit then we have to step in. Believe me, I have better things to do than sit at this freakin computer and babysit those select few who feel this fun. I have a limited amount of time I can spend here and so do the other mods (especially for free!!!). Contrary to what you all may think we do have lives.

I like what notbob said and I have said it before-we are not perfect-we are human. We ARE accountable for our actions. We do listen to feedback.

Thanx to Rainbow & Moneoa for your encouraging words-they ARE appreciated by us all.

If we all thought about being part of the solution instead of part of the problem there would be no need for us mods. What I would really like to see (I'm probably asking to much) is alot more friendly welcomes & helpfulness to the newbies, less pointless (instigating) threads & more posting of news with intelligent discussion following.

As far as those deleted threads- I deleted a bunch of those threads the other night (even some that had been closed). My reason-I tried to use a voice of reason and got shit on by those selcet few that insisted on perpetuating and even expanding the crap that went on that night. I MAY and I stress MAY have power tripped a wee bit but the way things were going that day and on into the night was just plain stupid. It was out of hand. My PM box overflowed that evening with complaints about those threads and then after I cleared all those messages out then my PM box filled up again with complaints (power trippin, Why did I close/delete & whatnot) from those "select few". By the time I went to bed (10 hours of the crap) I was spent.

So again, this probably will spark another uprising but I'm human and I make mistakes...oh well....

[alliercollins]

yes it is our place

mods are not omnipotent omnicient demigods that never make mistakes

if they screw up, stick it to them--if they are good mods, they will realize their mistakes, and if not, they'll go on a power trip and ban all critics

that was the problem we had before, and i don't see it anymore

I understand what you are saying, but that one sentence you took out of all that I typed was aimed towards this thread itself. I didn't notice too many threads disappearing or any mod abuse, so I didn't feel it was my place to say anything about that. It was a single thread comment, I didn't mean to sound as if I like abuse or anything. I just haven't seen any.

In all, what you said is good, (the rest of this is aimed towards everyone) but at the same time we need to realize how hard their jobs can be sometimes. You have to think about how they are walking a thin line in our eyes with every move they make. It's like a game of chess and they have to make all the moves. We are just spectators who like to comment. It can't be easy determing which posts to delete, which to close, which people to ban, and what to do about other situations. Not every mod is overstepping powers when they take action.

[Mels_Smileys45]

Surfs up! Here comes another "WAVE"! You have to give 'em one thing, they are well coordinated!

[Rickio]

I said it, CH just said it and it all comes down to one main thing. We are not perfect and we are not rigid. We are open to positive feedback.

A lot of older members have been through quite a bit on this site. So we are also trying not to go in cirlces and repeat that past. Some of what we do is because of what we been through and so we cannot be expected to act on some pure unemotional leval. We only know full well what can happen here if we let things go.

Let me just say if a thread is deleted we did not take a piece of your soul and send it to hell. It's just litter, we are cleaning up the place. Relax and post some more. Be for real and be cool. lol I cannot believe how some people feel there posts are like precious and must be preserved for posterity. Or that we are breaking some sort of code when we jump and say stop and then delete crap. This is not a formal legal entity that must follow legal rules and laws. It's a forum where we have fun and want to keep it mellow and open for discussions as well as have some fun. I for one can respect other points of views and not have to agree. I can also understand if you want your posts not deleted. If you want to keep your posts, then don't be part of making a crap thread...We will honestly try and not delete threads, but if it is closed, usually it gets deleted shortly thereafter. That's how we been doing it.

I rather not continue on this line anymore. Post if you wish but I have said enough.
peace

[MoonMan]

You know Rickio, for a hippy you are still pretty cool. :-)

[DampCold]

I was wondering where a couple pieces of my soul went!?

Well, so far I think the mods have been doing fairly well... not that I have been here long.
Obviously some threads have been begging to be closed recently with all the flaming, harassing Potato and what not.

I am happy when they don't close my threads. And I am also happy when people don't turn the tread into a full-blown war zone, too. Hmmm, maybe there is a correlation. :)

!pG

[crackerjacker]

i didnt read this thread yet

[crackerjacker]

oh yes i did post in this thread but i will reread it again
on a side note your ban ty

[ferrarimodena360]

The pope thread, i thought i would be banned or warned or posts getting deleted

nuthing happened. or now.....err.......too late

[ferrarimodena360]

aight i reread the thread, are we finding new mods, i wanna be one i wanna be one
hahahahahah

[Abyss00]

A lot of good points in this thread, a couple below.

If you have nothing positive to say about it then "don't" Most of the time there is someone in the forum more than happy to answer.

there is no scooby doo mystery its all a matter of courtesy and respect

Yeah i feel that if our main members who post was more noobfriendly and curtious. I think their be 20 times as much members posting. And more pages of insight.

[crackerjacker]

http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?p=323457#post323457

[truelyme]

The mods here, from what I have seen are reasonable. Having worn the shoes myself I can tell you it is a labor of love and a thankless task. Any self-respecting moderator will always ask himself if he is being influanced by personal feelings or if it is truely justified to take action. You can never please everyone. There will always be those that feel their words are etched in stone and should not be changed. There are also those that feel any sort of editing, regardless of the message is unacceptable. They never stop to think that they live with reasonably the same rules both with family and with society. They accept those same rules without so much as a peep in public, so why should it be any different on the net, which is in essence public also.

On the opposite side of the coin are those that will attempt to instill their beliefs upon any sort of moderating. Those aren't your best moderators and can be at times trying to deal with. Sometimes, bad choices are made and you just never know till you see it in action as to what a person is like. The internet doesn't give facial or emotions as visiable clues when interacting with others. We never realize just how much we depend on those factors in communicating face to face till we deal without them. Many a mistake has been made by misunderstandings in what folks were trying to say.

Time will tell with bad moderators, then the host must make a decision. Does he want to deal with the hassels that come with a bad mod? Is it worth losing valuable members to do so? Many a bad mod has ruined an otherwise good site. In the end it is the members that determine the sites' tone and appeal to new members. It is the members that also hold the site together. Without them, moderating isn't necessary...

[SamJam]

http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=20884 ("http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=20884)

This recent thread for example, obviously Rickio had something to say
this is also why I did thank them and let them know its appreciated

that link goes to microsoft... not anywhere on the zp forums.... hmmmm