Don't Delete, new info

[Chochem]

Once again ferrari u misunderstood i simply said the group will attack areas of evil on the net. i DIDN"T say the freenet project. i said it was GOOD and BAD. whether the good outweighs the bad i dont know so the group will concentrate ONLY on SURE bad targets. geesh you should improve your logic. btw that other guy with over 3000 posts i simply meant have AMBITIONS to help, if you don't want you don't have to but don't inhibit a person trying to make LESS PAIN in the world. or do u consider p2p more important than children suffering or not??? i certainly believe a free net can coexist with filters. the only thing ill be hitting hard to the freenet project is an essay page stating that they can have their program ALONG with their OWN filters for child pornography, and terrorist sites. this will still allow for democratic talk from China, Zimbabwe, Iran, North Korea and other countries where ppl live under tyrannical rules. if only everyone did something constructive to help then bludge around it would be a utopia within a few years....
u say im dangerous but i believe im only being robin hood, ur one of the do nothing or just do a bit masses cuz u give up on helping the world so all u do is have fun with lifes short years.

READ THIS FOLLOWING PARAGRAPH 4 NEW INFO

Methods of transfer on internet of anything including kiddie porn:
websites (ftp, http), newsgroups, irc, ims, and p2p
- websites, newsgroups are dangerous for pedafiles cuz thankfully the police can often check them out cuz how do they find it? Simple search on search engines and that means the police can do that too. Thats how the raids occur in the uk. They just see who its registered under
- Irc require contacting ppl and police can simply hide under false identities and plant trojans into irc, furthermore the room can be taken down seperately from the network
Ims is not mass transfer i.e. It s usually 1 to 1 so its less worrying
-THAT LEAVES P2P AS THE EASIEST FOR GETTING CHILD PORN since you need no contact details, just a simple anonymous name and a simple search term. And UNLIKE irc (the hardest to stop) it has multiple sources per file and the file cannot be taken down as UNLIKE irc it is not divided into rooms so the only way other than a filter is to take down the whole network which is not an option to u p2p peeps. And UNLIKE irc, ims searching can be done whereas in ims, irc u have to go find ppl askin for it. And the police have far more resources to search than some horny gone wrong person searching for kiddie porn. Thats why ill ask the police to do that.

Thats why something MUST BE DONE especially since the filter/block list is EZY to code. SAVE THE CHILDREN NOW
see that was logical wasn't it??? stop saying u beloved p2p, evil is on it but IT CAN BE STOPPED. read paragraph after following. ITS SO EZY stop giving up to evil read my sig!!

Let me say this FILTER and P2P CAN COEXIST!! so dont worry

Concerned Civilian

P2P networks are really only used for music, movies and of course pr0n. Well of course being just like the other guy I searched for erotic terms. I'm dismayed to see when I did that words like preteen appear. Not only that they are in the most popular files meaning that they are purposely put there to attract people. That means alot of people type that search term in. I have not d/l the files so I do not know if they are real. I'd like for all developers to put a filter just like in Klite++ and go one step further in disallowing these obviously pedofile terms from being put off the block list. Eg/ in Klite++ all you have to do is delete it. Of course this won't stop all forms of transfer however at least the most easiest way (P2P) will hopefully be blocked.

Plea to DEV GRUs
FFS why is it so hard to make a list of 100 words!!!! All you have to do is then add a couple each week through a sticky forum post.

Developers do not ignore your social, ethical, moral and legal (controversial on the last one though) responsibilities
Sure it doesn't block the source but at least you can stop the propagation of it.

If your not going to do it I'm going to lead a global block list that will plugin to the major clients as well as server side for extra protection. I will set up a global hacking force to hack all those servers that don't comply and the developers who don't put in the filter for both client/server. I don't no nothing about hacking now but I believe I have ability so I will devote all my time to bringing the world justice. VIGILANTES ANONYMOUS!! now wtf has nobody thought of that!!!!

Moderators, please STICKY this and save a broken child's DIGNITY

Thankyou, Chochem

oh and i know that shareaza has an addon but thats OPTIONAL wtf would a pedafile use that option so ONLY OPTION IS TO MAKE THE FILTER/BLOCK LIST UNCHANGEABLE BY CLIENT USERS

[notbob]

Once again ferrari u misunderstood i simply said the group will attack areas of evil on the net. i DIDN"T say the freenet project. i said it was GOOD and BAD. whether the good outweighs the bad i dont know so the group will concentrate ONLY on SURE bad targets. ...
Moderators, please STICKY this and save a broken child's DIGNITY

Thankyou, Chochem

oh and i know that shareaza has an addon but thats OPTIONAL wtf would a pedafile use that option so ONLY OPTION IS TO MAKE THE FILTER/BLOCK LIST UNCHANGEABLE BY CLIENT USERS


once you start to hardwire some sort of censorship (even justified) into p2p, the slippery slope begins

the movie companies and record labels can say "you are able to block (x), so why can't you block jimi hendrix? or hulk?"

soap box nonsense like your post isn't going to get anything done, except maybe giving more credence to the RIAA etc.'s contention that p2p is inherently evil and should be eradicated

[Chochem]

so ur sayin put p2p pleasure for the masses ahead of severe PAIN TO MINORS

[Chochem]

once you start to hardwire some sort of censorship (even justified) into p2p, the slippery slope begins

the movie companies and record labels can say "you are able to block (x), so why can't you block jimi hendrix? or hulk?"

soap box nonsense like your post isn't going to get anything done, except maybe giving more credence to the RIAA etc.'s contention that p2p is inherently evil and should be eradicated

then what does a DECENTRALIZED P2P server mean to you?
oh and it's not soapy, it's a plea. SOAP IS SOAP OPERA KIND. PLEA IS REAL WORLD

[notbob]

so ur sayin put p2p pleasure for the masses ahead of severe PAIN TO MINORS>


someone took the pictures--someone scanned and posted them

p2p is not the problem, it is a vehicle for delivery

lets make film illegal--or scanners--or computers

you are too naieve to understand the real problem

[The Hunter]

No we are not, but it wont frigging work, as much as i detest the exploitation of children it plainly will not work. As well as agreeing with notbobs post, you simply can not block every possible combination of words, or numbers that these sickos could use. There is not a new proposal anywher, just rehashing old ideas.

[Psilaxs]

so ur sayin put p2p pleasure for the masses ahead of severe PAIN TO MINORS

What do you think child pornographers did before the advent of the internet? Though it is unfortunate and sickening beyond belief children will be exploited by an extremely small and fringe group of sickos, regardless of devices and methods used.

*edit*
(wasn't my intention to "rip off" your post notbob, i didn't even see your reply, i saw what he said and went right to 'quote')

[Muffin_Man]

chochem child abuse will not be stopped by attacking p2p. kiddie porn existed before p2p started and will continue to exist long after its gone. the simple fact is, societal problems cannot be fixed using technological means. while im sure your intentions are good, all your proposed actions will do is provide a slight inconvenience to pedophiles while potentially harming a whole industry in the process.

with any freedom or right in society comes the ability to abuse it, and there is always someone who will. take out the potential for abuse and what you have is a society without freedom. i dont know about you, but given the choice, i will choose personal freedoms any day.

[begoodbebad]

If your not going to do it I'm going to lead a global block list that will plugin to the major clients as well as server side for extra protection. I will set up a global hacking force to hack all those servers that don't comply

Moderators, please STICKY this and save a broken child's DIGNITY

Thankyou, Chochem



Ok Brains what are you going to do with the serverless networks? lmao

Moderators, please STICKY this all the way to the can and save Chumpchops further embarrassment

It's nice that people care enough to be very upset but screaming at innocent people is not constructive. As far as p2p users go we are all individuals with free choice, we have to make moral decisions in an unregulated environment. Personally I have never seen any kiddie porn, probably because I have never looked for it. Most p2p users are in the same category as someone posting and receiving regular mail. Just because someone else posts letter bombs doesn't make me or the postman a terrorist (just ask shawners :blah). My conscience is clear because I don't host any pedo stuff, don't search for it and don't offer any support to anyone who might.

[Lehk]

so ur sayin put p2p pleasure for the masses ahead of severe PAIN TO MINORS
You are obviously a moron if you cannot understand that no filter will stop child porn untill AI is good enough to estimate age of individuals in a digital photograph, any other attempt would be futile, unless you want to banish all files not fitting the signature of mp3, vqf, ogg,or flac files.

[isus]

chochem: please shut up. honestly, you sound like an elderly person who sees kids having sex in the back of a car, and then decides that all cars should be banned. go away. i'm not FOR kiddie porn, but i think notbob said it first: kiddie porn was out WAY before p2p.

[The Hunter]

Also Im closing this one as it is going nowhere.