Does god exist?

[n3Ss]

If God didn't exist...

there would be no morality

comon guys deep inside, you know theres a supreme being. stop denying it. :angel

[TheBlackSnow]

GOD exists 4 ever!!!

[Bytronix]

I never said that God, or Allah, or Jehovah, or what ever you may call he(s), she(s), it(s), they and/or them does not exist! Actually, I'm willing to bet that one of them, (or maybe even someone who thinks they are) is walking Downtown DC as we speak.

:) :P :-/

[Bytronix]

By the way, (and this post is probably bad), but which supreme being are you voting for this election year? :)

[Bytronix]

I've been through the desert on a horse with no name. It felt good to be out of the rain.

Anyone know which way happiness went?

[Bytronix]

According to Scientology, everyone reading this post is a God (or Godess) as the case may be.

What's next? Next poster wins a check for $1.00 provided they post the mailing address in their post.

[loulou215]

I am not into any religion but i believe there is God anyway

[AzNFantasy]

Everything is made from someone. Like a chair, someone must have build it, it can't just happen. Like us and the earth, and also the universe, who else would have created?

[infringer]

There was an infinate ball of mass compressed so small the the universe was a big black hole underconstant pressure for eons everything was compressed then a massive explosion happend and from it there where galaxies formed as we see them forming today through highpowered telescopes... My theory on it is that this is not created it was something which was always here... and it takes lottery type chances and conditions for life to form... We came from the stars it has been proven that the elements found on earth were created from the main elements which were in space...

And side sitting I think that we are not the first Universe to be created no I believe that the whole universe again will collapse back into itself as dying suns die and turn into blackholes eventually all the black holes will combine to form one big black hole to pull every chunk of matter into a compact ball and then once there is nothing left to pull explosion and the cycle continues once again from scratch.

Though I would love to believe in some other fairy tale type explanation then where did god come from? He was and ever shall be...

So if you can believe in that why is it so impossible to believe that the universe was and evershall be instead in theory it is more easy to prove something like this to prove gods ultimate exsistance and such...

Jesus coulda been a real good guy I believe he probably did exsist but if you peer back through your history pages you will find that religion was used to gain the favor of the people as well as to control them... And if this "God" were the almighty why would all religion be based upon a differnt god with differnt standards moarlly and even a differnt name and likeness of him.

The problem is when freedom started religion and government were seperated thus creating a lot of things which the government did not expect so instead the government founded other agencies with ties to them so that they could enforce the rules and control the masses much like the MPAA and RIAA is trying to do take away our rights to freedom and privacy.

Note: I by no means say that I believe in doing things that are incorrect for me heaven in a since is to be at peace when you pass on in your own mind I believe that will be accomplished by doing things that are in fact proper and if you commit acts which are improper and feel guilt for them they were wrong but, if you learn from those acts and do not commit again I believe that you will be at peace as well.

I dont need a savior I know right from wrong and will continue to do what I believe is right.

God if there were one it would be what we look at when we look to the sky at night amazing that even in prayer we also look to the sky coincidence or maybe something related to my ramblings.

I dont hate folks that believe in god I have nothing against it really I believe that everyone should have that choice weather to believe or not believe unfortunately many heavy followers condem people who do not. In a world of so many unknown equations this is the wrong thing to do.
If there be a god I am sure he would forgive me for my lack of knowladge and proof saw being that he is almighty though I did not believe so far I have done things out of good nature and when I have not I have learned not to do them again.

This is a very tuff age old question and not everyone will agree for me I like the theory of the universe was and ever shall be not a tail of someone who in my mind could have been written into a fairy tale story like some of the old people to lead in battles and kings which were expected to be the only people talked about back in time.

GOD or NOGOD dose it really matter just do good things help that lady up who falls down in the store while other sit there laughing at her or if your neighboor has very poor health and it will take 5 minutes for you to shovel there walkway as well do it out of the kindness of your heart.

Those are simple things you can do to make the quality of your life better as well as seriously thinking before you do something you dont need a figure to look to to do the right thing it is inside you.

-infringer-

[freeloader767]

God does not exist. anyone who believes differently is foolish!

[legendsofaranna]

God never existed. If you disagree, please show proof. And that means facts. I don't want a myth story.

[cpugeniusmv]

God never existed. If you disagree, please show proof. And that means facts. I don't want a myth story.
Show me the proof God doesn't exist.

(Note: This statement does not completely/effectively represent my personal ideas/"beliefs". I have not [yet?] revealed them in this thread. I'm merely making a valid counterargument.)

[legendsofaranna]

If god exists, we would see them today. Want more? How come I don't see zeus when there's lightning? Science explains. Negative electrons are attracted to positive protons. Now what's your proof?

[Potato]

Positive electrons are attracted to negative electrons. Or are they attracted to each other?

I'm sure those who believe in God believe that s/he is in their life on a daily basis.

[legendsofaranna]

lmao. There's no such thing as positive electrons.

[cpugeniusmv]

If god exists, we would see them today.Would we?

Want more? How come I don't see zeus when there's lightning? Science explains. Negative electrons are attracted to positive protons. Now what's your proof?
In my opinion, all religions worship the same God (even polytheistic religions), but have a different way of personifying this supreme being. Is the being human? Many humans? Is it your neighbor? Is it a part of you? Is the being on this planet? The various books that detail the supreme being are merely different perspectives from people from diverse cultural backgrounds. We all have our own.

There is not enough scientific or historical evidence to prove that there is a supreme being. Nor is there enough scientific or historical evidence to disprove the existence of one. I personally do not believe anything that is not supported by scientific or historical fact. But I have "ideas"--unproven hypotheses. If you ever get a chance, take an introductory astronomy course. The formation of the universe was an incredible phenomenon. So many factors, so many unknowns. How did we get here? Quite a conundrum, a very remarkable event if by chance.

I'd also recommend an introductory world religions course. Interesting even if you don't consider yourself affiliated with any "religion" of sorts. I don't, but still have ideas.

[legendsofaranna]

I personally do not believe anything that is not supported by scientific or historical fact.
Good, you agree.

[cpugeniusmv]

There is enough scientific evidence to prove that there is no god. You don't believe in science, then you don't believe reality.
I'm waiting for the evidence. Show me.

I believe in science, but recall that science once determined that the Earth was flat.
It's an ongoing cycle of the scientific method. If we ever consider ourselves satisfied with scientific evidence, we haven't reached the full truth yet. There will always be more to hypothesize about, analyze, make conclusions, and make new hypotheses.

[cpugeniusmv]

Good, you agree.
I don't believe in a supreme being. My idea is that there may be one. I'm not trying to say whether or not there is one.

[legendsofaranna]

I believe in science, but recall that science once determined that the Earth was flat.

That's because there weren't enough people like Albert Einstein.

[cpugeniusmv]

That's because there weren't enough people like Albert Einstein.
There aren't enough people today like *insert future amazing physicist's name here*.

[legendsofaranna]

If only nanotechnology can reverse his age, he might be back. I think i remember his body is stored somewhere. Something like cloning should do it. And the lightning thing is my evidence.

[cpugeniusmv]

If only nanotechnology can reverse his age, he might be back.
Maybe then he can tell us if there's a God :-)

[legendsofaranna]

Obviously he will say no. People believe too easily.

[cpugeniusmv]

I think i remember his body is stored somewhere. Something like cloning should do it. And the lightning thing is my evidence.
Cloning does not replicate acquired knowledge. The cloned Einstein could very well be a drug dealer.

Your evidence is insufficient. The Greeks personified the lightning bolts as coming from the hands of Zeus, that doesn't necessarily mean there was a guy in a tunic standing on a cloud throwing them.

[cpugeniusmv]

Obviously he will say no. People believe too easily.
Is that a fact? Did you come to it scientifically? I don't believe it.

And as I've said, I don't believe. But I agree that some people believe many things without question.

[legendsofaranna]

Cloning does not replicate acquired knowledge. The cloned Einstein could very well be a drug dealer.

Your evidence is insufficient. The Greeks personified the lightning bolts as coming from the hands of Zeus, that doesn't necessarily mean there was a guy in a tunic standing on a cloud throwing them.
That's only speculation. Maybe they can really resurrect brain cells.

[cpugeniusmv]

That's only speculation. Maybe they can really resurrect brain cells.
Sounds pretty infeasible to me, but I won't say impossible.

[legendsofaranna]

Cloning does not replicate acquired knowledge. The cloned Einstein could very well be a drug dealer.
That disease is called Alzheimer's disease. This desease is only because of aging. Remember I said nanotechnology can solve this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alzheimer%27s_disease

[cpugeniusmv]

Cloning does not replicate acquired knowledge. The cloned Einstein could very well be a drug dealer.
That disease is called Alzheimer's disease. This desease is only because of aging. Remember I said nanotechnology can solve this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alzheimer%27s_disease
Once a brain has no activity for an extended period of time, the "data" it holds will fade away. It's the signals that hold it, not the fat in the brain. Alzheimer's disease has nothing to do with it, and even through cloning: DNA doesn't contain "knowledge".

[legendsofaranna]

I doubt Albert Einstein won't use his brain.

[cpugeniusmv]

I doubt Albert Einstein won't use his brain.
But the clone would not be Albert Einstein. Only a physical replication.

What makes an individual is largely dependant on his experiences in life.

[legendsofaranna]

Ok, fine, we won't use clone. We will use nanotechnology to reverse age.

[cpugeniusmv]

Ok, fine, we won't use clone. We will use nanotechnology to reverse age.
To bring a human being back from death would be quite a remarkable feat.

It would be even more remarkable if the brain retained all the data it gathered from it's previous "use". But that is extremely improbable.

[legendsofaranna]

Remember that his body is store somewhere and it didn't turned into skeleton. And the brain will be able to download information from the computer. ( I made this up but someday might be possible )

[legendsofaranna]

And why would we need his previous data?

[cpugeniusmv]

Remember that his body is store somewhere and it didn't turned into skeleton. And the brain will be able to download information from the computer. ( I made this up but someday might be possible )
The brain is much like RAM. If you stop running current through it, the data is lost. I highly doubt they would be able to preserve a human brain and be able to recover the information within. Even if the technology advances as much as necessary to interface with a living brain, the fact that it's been dead for so long would prove to be a very difficult, if not impossible obstacle.

[cpugeniusmv]

And why would we need his previous data?
If his brain isn't in tact, he's not Einstein. His personal experiences would be gone. We'd be in the same boat as if we cloned him.

[legendsofaranna]

This makes me think resurrecting Albert Einstein is useless. If someone could invent such technology, obviously he/she is smarter than him.

[cpugeniusmv]

This makes me think resurrecting Albert Einstein is useless. Yep.
If someone could invent such technology, obviously he/she is smarter than him.
Perhaps.

[legendsofaranna]

I agree perhaps. Smarter in technology doesn't mean smarter in science.

[cpugeniusmv]

I agree perhaps. Smarter in technology doesn't mean smarter in science.
It's hard to say anyone is smarter than anyone else (unless the gap is so huge, it's obvious).

[legendsofaranna]

I'd like to thank you for your time to convince me the fact of resurrecting Albert Einstein is useless.

[legendsofaranna]

I think we really went off topic. This thread was supposed to be about god, not albert einstein.

[cpugeniusmv]

Glad we got it cleared up anyway :-)

[FrozenShadow23]

I'm tired of people using the lame "god" excuse to explain away everything we don't yet understand. There's no reason that we should attribute any "miracles" or unknown occurances to his/her/it's existance. A lack of knowledge is far from proof of anything other than a simple lack of knowledge.

I'm suprised at how many people can believe in something they can't see so that they can pretend to understand everything.

[.:sp00ky:.]

pshhh! stupid question,of course i exist.

[mfgbypooter]

God is merely a concept, like a man is to an amoeba.


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[mountain_rage]

"When did I realize I was God? Well, I was praying and I suddenly realized I was talking to myself."
Peter O'Toole.

[RACKnRAIL]

I think, I think I am, therefore I am...I think.

[YWD67]

I think, I think I am, therefore I am...I think.

Moody Blues lyrics from "In the Beginning" from the album "On The Threshhold of A Dream".

One of my favorite albums of all time.:love::love:

Thanks Rack!:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[RACKnRAIL]

I've never met a Moody Blues fan I didn't like. :)

[evilmegaman]

My definition of god has changed since this thread was made. therefore, I DO believe in god.

Now go look up "everett wheeler", The greys, free energy, and Tao

[kokanezub]

My definition of god has changed since this thread was made. therefore, I DO believe in god.

Now go look up "everett wheeler", The greys, free energy, and Tao


weird me too, I say God has over 2000 yrs and science has about 100. I'll go with the most experience. After all our universe is so big we cant even begin to fathom . Regardless how you worship its the same god just in another language.

[moneoa]

No... because my God is dead

[moneoa]

weird me too, I say God has over 2000 yrs and science has about 100. I'll go with the most experience. After all our universe is so big we cant even begin to fathom . Regardless how you worship its the same god just in another language.....umm ok regardless of what you think the Bible says the world is a lot older than 2000 years...a hell of a lot longer

[moneoa]

And science has been around a lot longer than 100 years

[mountain_rage]

weird me too, I say God has over 2000 yrs and science has about 100. I'll go with the most experience. After all our universe is so big we cant even begin to fathom . Regardless how you worship its the same god just in another language.

Science has always existed, that is unless gravity just appeared 100 years ago. Humans have only developed the standardization of scientific principles recently in its history. But you could consider Aristotle one of the great scientists, when was he born again? 2400 years ago? That is just one man coming up with a system to study the world around him, science is not a religion, it is a model on which to predict the world around us.

[RACKnRAIL]

No one can say for certainty that there is a god, but on the other side of the coin, no one can say there isn't one. It's that simple. People can believe whatever they want, but neither side can prove their case beyond a doubt.

[HelenaP]

That's one reason the word "Faith" exists...

"Faith without doubt leads to moral arrogance, the eternal pratfall of the religiously convinced."
—Joe Klein, Time, 17 May 2004

And f*ck ^him^...

[evilmegaman]

whoever said god needs religion to exist? what if the universe is simply created in your head and manifests itself as your conscious life. Now, say you have positive thoughts or negative thoughts, well when you choose to think a certain way, things tend to play out in that certain way. For a while all I cared about was music, so my entire life revolved around music. For a while I was thinking exclusively about aliens, so my life revolved around that. Now surely the two can be combined and mixed and what not but usually there's one direction that your heading in, because no matter what you are moving forward. Therefore your negative thoughts create cancers in your brain and mcdonalds on your street corners. therefore I am, therefore I am god.


PS i love myself

[moneoa]

i love myself
Not too much I hope. If I remember correctly that's one of the hell worthy actions in the Bible we should never do...lest God strike us with hairy Vaseline palms

[Drew Wilson]

Arguably, science is merely a method for humans to figure out God's creation in substantially more detail.

Science could suggest the big bang as a violation of the law of conservation of energy. That would suggest that the impossible could have happened.

Definition of a miracle:


A surprising and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is considered to be divine.

[Mels_Smileys45]

No one knows..for now..thats the only real answer. Anyone who closes their minds door to the abstract is a fool.

To hold a thought by jotting it down in the form of a book...once abstract...more knolege than we can fit in our minds..we can now find in a book or website by the millions. Science today..by its current standards..is as lost as it has ever been. Define God. To define God is to place restrictions on free thinking, abstract thought and the next giant leap mankind hopefully, beyond hope i hope, will be able to achieve...or perhaps the Apes or Robots will take over..who knows. But I do think, i breath, I see many wonders all around and i have to ask..can this be normal? Can the amazing life forms on this planet be common place in the vast empty cosmos.....what are the odds that the big bang would spiral out for billionsss of light years and then produce Joe Vs the Volcano? How special is that? Why does science tell us they know all the answers and we should go with their opinion..or FACT as its sold on TV. Life is a mystery. No one knows how...or why..its just is....i have some very complex theories...which i will be happy to share...but it will take a few pages to get started so for now..i bow out..and will take this up when i am not so tired..good day

[carpefile]

Science never claims to have all the answers. It constantly adjusts its conclusions as more data is introduced, evolving a better understanding of our universe at each step. Even Hawking doesn't claim that there is no God, just that there doesn't have to be to understand and explain the origin of the universe.