You guys have it hard....

[veilsideuk2004uk]

Whats going on in the US guys? it sounds like your guys get suued for everything, cant people just get on with life, man it must suck over there! In the UK nobody has been done for filesharing, how would mp3 players and everything else be such a success? and they cant say that its damaging industry cuz the music and film industries had one of their best years ever last year 2003. I hope they dont start messing round in england and europe. Wish all of you guys good luck and if your annoyed with all these crappy companies stopping filesharing then leave your emotions about it below, cheers

peace out

VeilsideUk2004Uk

[nasrules]

Don't kid yourself into thinking that file-sharing hasn't affected the music business - it has and their sales are significantly down. However, they've brought it upon themselves with over-inflated prices.

You seem to forget that many people have legal MP3s - ones which they ripped from CDs that they own (I have ripped more MP3s than I have downloaded). MP3 players don't just allow you to listen to downloaded songs, they also allow you to store huge amounts of music on a small unit (in the case of hard-drive players such as the iPod or the new generation of flash players).

Things are happening in the UK and Europe - I personally know a number of people who have received 'cease and desist' letters from their ISP after they have been contacted by members of the recording or film industries. Only recently, the EU toughened-up it's stance on file-sharing.

And, to top it all off, you ask whether companies shou-ld be allowed to sue you for file-sharing. Well, sharing copyrighted material is totally illegal - what more is there to say. Yes, maybe more emphasis should be put on sorting out the mess that many countries have created in this world (for example Israel's recent assassination of the leader of the palestinian group Hamas or the US and UK's invasion of Iraq), but at the end of the day, it's business, and business must go on.

[method]

veilsideuk2004uk..

sorry to drop a bomb like this but plenty of people have been sent C&D threats here (in the UK). It may be true we've not been sued yet, but people have certainly received C&D threats and have been told by their ISP that they are in breach of the AUP (acceptable use policy).

Still.. I agree with your post to some degree.. I always wanted to live in the US when I was a kid.. since growing up and learning about politics there over the last 4 years or so.. and.. how they have a hard time maintaining civil liberties against corporate interests.. I've kinda had second thoughts. :(

[cheapprick]

Welcome to ZP veilsideuk2004uk.

So.... AOL is available in the U.K. then?

(And I don't think you're trying to, but don't let your thread turn into U.S. bashing please)

[mrdingaling]

I have a freind who recived an email from his ISP (Pipex) last week.
Although it was about his downloading copyrighted material, I would hardly call it a C&D, more like a "We've been informed you have downloaded copyrighted material, would you mind not doing it please, thanks" lol. No threat of cutting him off or anything.
Also, they threw out a ruling that would see casual downloders sued, as they have seen the results from what the RIAA are doing and don't fancy a mass backlash.

Nas, as for downloading affecting music sales, I don't believe that for a minute. If anything is affecting sales it's enormous amount of crap these record companies are throwing at us and trying to call it "music". It they all produced something worth buying people would buy it, simple as that (I bought Lost Prophets new album last week, first CD I've paid for in nearly a year).

It's the same with movies. You look at stuff like 2 fast 2 furious, why the hell would anyone pay to see utter crap like that. And what's that new one, looks like 2 fast 2 furious on motorbikes, talking about flogging a dead horse or what.

[Siskabush]

OVer inflated prices for sub-standard music and no variety is going to kill your buisness, which relies on Talent, Variety, and fair prices.

But they are too blind to see that.
Ill just keep downloading the Trance music that they dont offer here.

[nasrules]

Nas, as for downloading affecting music sales, I don't believe that for a minute. If anything is affecting sales it's enormous amount of crap these record companies are throwing at us and trying to call it "music". It they all produced something worth buying people would buy it, simple as that (I bought Lost Prophets new album last week, first CD I've paid for in nearly a year).

It's the same with movies. You look at stuff like 2 fast 2 furious, why the hell would anyone pay to see utter crap like that. And what's that new one, looks like 2 fast 2 furious on motorbikes, talking about flogging a dead horse or what.

Yes, I agree about 2 Fast 2 Furious and whatever this bike one's called (seen a trailer), but I don't wholly agree with your music point. Yes they're throwing crap out at the consumer, yes they're over-charging, but don't let yourself get caught up in the 'It's all a conspiracy' mind-frame. The simple answer is that although it may not be affecting music sales as much as the industry claims, it will be affecting sales. Personally, I buy more CDs than I did before I discovered P2P, and for every one I download I try to buy one. My view is that CDs should be £5 each - half the current cheapest selling-price.

[moneoa]

they have a hard time maintaining civil liberties against corporate interests:(
Dont you know buddy that is the glory of the capitalist system.
Dont know what to buy? No worries there are whole boards of directors willing even eager to let you know what you should buy. Want to make your life easier?
Go and buy the cheap Wal-mart clothes made in honduras and enjoy the cheap electronics made in taiwan, if you dont know what to buy "NO WORRIES"
The same room of directors will also be willing to tell you what you NEED.
Including a bunch of tripe I betcha you never knew you needed...ahh yes
This is truly what the fore fathers gave thier lives and dedication for,
a bunch of annoying gap ads, levi commercials and lame cologne commercials with half naked men in surreal beach settings or nightclubs
doing crazy s#!t that has nothing to do with the damn cologne...but I digress

[method]

"(And I don't think you're trying to, but don't let your thread turn into U.S. bashing please)"

Just to clarify.. I'm not trying to bash the US either.

I still love the US for a lot of reasons I just know if I lived there I'd be constantly irate at my own govt. (and it's not like I'm already pissed at my government here already!!).. so no.. I'm definetely not trying to push this into US-bashing. As well as many friends.. my boss is an American too and he's the best boss I've ever had!!

It's the shitty senators/politicians that value assholes like the RIAA too much that I'm against.. that's all. :)

Peace!!

[Malicious Intent]

We may not be getting sued yet, but our laws are considerably stricter. Don't kid yourself that we are in some safe cacoon. It is only a matter of time. The industry seem to think that time is as soon as services like Napster2 and iTunes are released here.

[Afn]

OVer inflated prices for sub-standard music and no variety is going to kill your buisness, which relies on Talent, Variety, and fair prices.

But they are too blind to see that.
Ill just keep downloading .... that they dont offer here.


The internet and related content will make and makes recorded media obsolete. There is still some value in compact discs and dvd's, but over time, the vast wealth of material found on the net will marginalize most cd\dvd\next-gen dvd offerings.

My point is the variety found on the net will be superior to anything produced and sold on plastic.

[veilsideuk2004uk]

A study of file-sharing's effects on music sales says online music trading appears to have had little part in the recent slide in CD sales.

For the study, released Monday, researchers at Harvard University and the University of North Carolina tracked music downloads over 17 weeks in 2002, matching data on file transfers with actual market performance of the songs and albums being downloaded. Even high levels of file-swapping seemed to translate into an effect on album sales that was "statistically indistinguishable from zero," they wrote.

"We find that file sharing has only had a limited effect on record sales," the study's authors wrote. "While downloads occur on a vast scale, most users are likely individuals who would not have bought the album even in the absence of file sharing."

The study, the most detailed economic modeling survey to use data obtained directly from file-sharing networks, is sure to rekindle debates over the effects of widely used software such as Kazaa or Morpheus on an ailing record business.

Thats all i wanna say, oh and for people saying this is a bad shout against americans, no it isn't i have family in america and there all very nice! lol

Thank you

[stewiegriffin]

According to this article (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/36616.html) overall record sales in the UK are not laffing? Although its confrims that singles sales are down (everything to do with P2P of course, not that fact people have realised its not worth paying £4 for one song and some crappy remixes) it also shows that albums actually sold an increased number of units in 2003.

The sinlge format has been dead for a while and its not entirely the fault of P2P. Paid-for music still thrives, despite the artificially high prices imposed by the record monopolies on CDs.

[muffenme]

:fire

I hate Money

:hole

[Brycen257]

The record companies have no one but themselves to blame for any problems with music sales across the world the past few years . I have no sympathy for them whatsoever. As a number of others have already pointed out the record companies have been forcing cds on us at ridiculously overinflated prices for years . Does anyone here know what it actually costs to produce a CD ? I would bet it is less than 15-20 % of what they actually charge . And where does all that profit go? Certainly not to the artist who produced the music but rather to record company executives.

The record companies also insist on promoting stale, bland and boring copies of whatever was moderately successful at one point in time ad nauseum (anyone remember boy bands ?) They also dictate whats played on the radio. I don't live in a huge market (about 230,000) and all we get to hear on the radio here is some new music , much of which is bland premanufactured pop and lots of old retreads from the last 30 years (yuch !!!!!!)
Most of the artists I like or buy I have found out about through 1. Watching music videos 2. Internet exposure including file sharing and 3. The radio (less than 10 % of what I buy or listen to ). If file sharing results in the destruction of the current way of producing and selling music, so be it !!!! The system is long overdue for a major shake-up. :gj

[LiaScott]

Wow, are there ever a lot of other people from Saskatchewan posting in this thread. I never meet anyone else from Saskatchewan online.

Canada is the real land of the free.

[c411Z]

the could have been consumers have themselves to thank for not buying in

share not trade! declasse war.

[Siskabush]

Wonder how this thread got into the recent posts section. (It wasnt me)
And yes, there are a whole 3 sask people here (Im one of em)

The latest post was Apr 12th before this one. I suspect a glitch?

[Crazy Horse]

Wonder how this thread got into the recent posts section. (It wasnt me)
And yes, there are a whole 3 sask people here (Im one of em)

The latest post was Apr 12th before this one. I suspect a glitch?

Voting in the poll without posting will revive the thread...it's not a glitch.

[dock0184]

U.S. still rocks!!

KING of the world!
Cause if it wasn't for US you wouldn't be here (in every imaginable aspect) and especially if you're English or French.:blah

[moneoa]

U.S. still rocks!!

KING of the world!
Cause if it wasn't for US you wouldn't be here (in every imaginable aspect) and especially if you're English or French.:blah
No sorry...if you were paying attention if it wasnt for SPAIN! Your ass, my ass, all of our collective asses would not be here now. Read history.

[shawners]

i have it so hard with my job that overpays me, my wife that overloves me, the gas that is less then 5 dollars a gallon, running water, central air, a endless food supply.. Yeah.. the riaa is just a few of my worries.

[rebirth]

dock0184. Die. You must die. And, you're too far-right-leaning. Get enlightened.

[tweekster]

technically a slower economy and the FACT the music industry produced 3000 less albums l(while their profit per album went up) is why they are losing money.

less albums, less sales, less profit.

[origin]

such a sweet subject line I am so tempted to speak lol. I believe that they should not be able to sue people for "infringing" there copyright. for several reasons number 1 they do not play fair they have it in good with members of congress and people in high places in out govt to create all these copyright and piracy laws that only give them more power and revoke ur basic liberties from ur average american citizen. I dunno about u but arent laws and bills bieng proposed are supposed to be introduced to help the people to supress public outcry against a given subject line. But nowadays the laws and bills that are passed are only helping 1 group the ones with the $$$ and screwing everyone else it isnt right I am not the only one who feels this way I know but we must speak up and let it be known we shall not settle for nothing less than what should already be ours. My next and last point follows nasrules post in that of course piracy brings down sales for the mpaa and riaa but then again u have to look at like this where did this problem originate why is piracy existent? why do we go such extensive lengths to share media these days?. it all leads back to the media holders they decided they are not making enough money as is(yea sure!) so they un fairly raise media prices beyond considerable and people refuse to pay it. So all in all it is there doing there greed that has caused this massive reveloution amongst us a community in the us and worldwide. they start shit then they wanna sue u and call u a criminal once again who is the criminal here? are we supposed to be robbed right in front of our eyes and just accept it? I think not, the media holders wouldnt tolerate it and why should we? thank u for you're time good day.

l8

[dock0184]

. lol and your state elected Orrin Hatch. haha jk/

But seriously, what's so wrong with america that this thread is turning into U.S.-bashing. I love this country, like a crack addict loves coke.

[Wolfie]

Low blow there, dude.

lol

[Stownplayer]

The internet is freedom and those bastards cannot stop it. I will forever download whatever i want and i hope it fucking makes the music industry broke as shit. They don't care about the people that made them, so fuck those money hungry pieces of shit. Noone can control the internet.

the dark one

[origin]

lol and your state elected Orrin Hatch. haha jk/

But seriously, what's so wrong with america that this thread is turning into U.S.-bashing. I love this country, like a crack addict loves coke.

m8 dont misinterpret what people are saying no one is bashing the united states.The only ones bieng bashed here are the minority involved in this whole situation (the copyright holders, govt atc) irronicly the minority are the ones holding the most amount of power. I dont want to bash america I love america, my only oponents here are the ones out to criminilize me for something that they have done themselves once again! how is that a crime? they participate in it and get away with it (and have for years!) but the second the little guy tries to scape with the same shit he's a criminal it aint right that shit is wrong!. I only search for equality here, because the people in this country with all the money and power are out to get me and my reamaining freedoms (patriot act cough cough) not only me but people like me who havent really commited any crime but speak out against them (big corps, govt) and there facist ways. It isnt right and for you to stand by and do nothing about it is just as wrong u mine as well join them on there supposed "crusade". When in fact there is no problem here it is all a big lesson in manipulation how society can be molded to fit the man with money or power.once again laws are "supposed" to be created to help the people and benefit the people but in fact its the complete opposite it benefits:
1.big business
2.corrupt politicians (most of them)
3.copyright holders who (aid the corrupt politicians)

I sir am a pround american and that is why I choose to try to change the ways of our times because it just isnt right this is not democracy! we are in fact fading farther and farther from that with each congressional session that takes place. Lets be honest here for a second we want to run around the world talking about "spreading democracy" and freeing foreign people and promoting things that we believe in but do not excercise. Just one simplse question how can we "spread" something we do not practive ourselves something that we dont even have here in our native land its total utter iggnorance. I am not mad at my fellow americans I am mad at those who make bad decisions on my behalf , they elected to represented me and my community in the most orderly fashion but if they arent why are they in office?. Ok enough I could rant and rave all night the gov makes me so mad becuase they are not listening to the people well in a way they are and we arent saying nothing why? ohhh because we dont have time is that a muthafu**in exuse since when dont u have time for you're own well bieng and safety. /me colapses

fight the good fight ;)

l8

[Whistler]

The size of a corporation is usually proportional to it's evilness and any step into punishing evil is a step in the right direction so my vote's a resounding no.

[coldcopper]

Usually what happens in these cases is, the British arrive to save American music.

However, it seems that Britain has been contaminated with American bad taste for the last 15 years and might have been overwhelmed, and thus, no help for the future.

The record companies have no one but themselves to blame for any problems with music sales across the world the past few years . I have no sympathy for them whatsoever. As a number of others have already pointed out the record companies have been forcing cds on us at ridiculously overinflated prices for years . Does anyone here know what it actually costs to produce a CD ? I would bet it is less than 15-20 % of what they actually charge . And where does all that profit go? Certainly not to the artist who produced the music but rather to record company executives.

The record companies also insist on promoting stale, bland and boring copies of whatever was moderately successful at one point in time ad nauseum (anyone remember boy bands ?) They also dictate whats played on the radio. I don't live in a huge market (about 230,000) and all we get to hear on the radio here is some new music , much of which is bland premanufactured pop and lots of old retreads from the last 30 years (yuch !!!!!!)
Most of the artists I like or buy I have found out about through 1. Watching music videos 2. Internet exposure including file sharing and 3. The radio (less than 10 % of what I buy or listen to ). If file sharing results in the destruction of the current way of producing and selling music, so be it !!!! The system is long overdue for a major shake-up. :gj

[YWD67]

Usually what happens in these cases is, the British arrive to save American music.

However, it seems that Britain has been contaminated with American bad taste for the last 15 years and might have been overwhelmed, and thus, no help for the future.

Heard the same doom and gloom in the 70's with the Beatles breaking up. 10 yrs later, we had the second British invasion and it saved us from those crappy flower 70's stuff and they hit us with the New Wave style. Love Idol, Lennix, Re-Flexx, BIg Country, Full House, Yaz, Frankie Goes To Hollywood and the rest. Our British friends will come up with another save for us from this mindless "here to day gone today" bands that break up before their first album is released. Please do it soon though.

[YWD67]

m8 dont misinterpret what people are saying no one is bashing the united states.The only ones bieng bashed here are the minority involved in this whole situation (the copyright holders, govt atc) irronicly the minority are the ones holding the most amount of power. I dont want to bash america I love america, my only oponents here are the ones out to criminilize me for something that they have done themselves once again! how is that a crime? they participate in it and get away with it (and have for years!) but the second the little guy tries to scape with the same shit he's a criminal it aint right that shit is wrong!. I only search for equality here, because the people in this country with all the money and power are out to get me and my reamaining freedoms (patriot act cough cough) not only me but people like me who havent really commited any crime but speak out against them (big corps, govt) and there facist ways. It isnt right and for you to stand by and do nothing about it is just as wrong u mine as well join them on there supposed "crusade". When in fact there is no problem here it is all a big lesson in manipulation how society can be molded to fit the man with money or power.once again laws are "supposed" to be created to help the people and benefit the people but in fact its the complete opposite it benefits:
1.big business
2.corrupt politicians (most of them)
3.copyright holders who (aid the corrupt politicians)

I sir am a pround american and that is why I choose to try to change the ways of our times because it just isnt right this is not democracy! we are in fact fading farther and farther from that with each congressional session that takes place. Lets be honest here for a second we want to run around the world talking about "spreading democracy" and freeing foreign people and promoting things that we believe in but do not excercise. Just one simplse question how can we "spread" something we do not practive ourselves something that we dont even have here in our native land its total utter iggnorance. I am not mad at my fellow americans I am mad at those who make bad decisions on my behalf , they elected to represented me and my community in the most orderly fashion but if they arent why are they in office?. Ok enough I could rant and rave all night the gov makes me so mad becuase they are not listening to the people well in a way they are and we arent saying nothing why? ohhh because we dont have time is that a muthafu**in exuse since when dont u have time for you're own well bieng and safety. /me colapses

fight the good fight ;)

l8

This is the very reason why I retired early from law enforcement. There is no equal treatment under the law. The final blow came when another officer and myslef were going to several an arrest warrant on a bank president, for stealing $2.5 million from the bank.
When we got to the bank we went to the lobby and we were greeted by another memeber of management and guess who else, the attorney for the president. The lawyer stated that he was in the process of negotiating with the state attorney for his client to turn himself in. I explained that I had an active warrant and I would be placing him under arrest and transporting him to the station. It was at this time that I was notified by radio to stand by and take no action till I heard from central post.
1 hr. later people I was notified that the president (who was upstairs in his office the whole time) was surrendering himself to custody and that he was going to drive himself to the station and I was to follow him. I did just as was instructed and left the station after I finished my shift.
Now, a few months later I have a call of a shoplifter at a supermarket in town. A man in his late 50's wearing cloths that had not been washed in ages, had been stopped by store employees when he tried to walk out with out paying for some food. The guy had taken less then $4 in canned soup and crackers and I asked if he was sure that he wanted to arrest him or maybe he wanted to just issue him a trespass warning instead..
Management stated that they had a standing policiy that all shoplifters were to be arrested. I had no chose as here in FL. when a storekeeper catches someone for shoplifting, the storekeeper is the same as a law enforcement officer and he can arrest the subject and hold him. I took the man to the staion, with out handcuffing because he was in such bad shape physicaly that he could hardly walk. I processed him and turned him over to the on duty correction officer.
Two days later I am called in to my shift Lt. office, about a complaint from the supermarket manager. The manager was upset that I had not handcuffed the shoplifter and stated that I tried to force him not to prosecute the man either. For the next 15 mins I heard the speech that resulted in me leaving law enforcement. I was told, in a very loud and angery voice that it matters not the cost of what was stolen, whether it was $4 or $4billion dollars if there is sufficent evidence that a crime was committed then an arrest is required and I should make no attempt to change the victims mind.
Now the big one, I was informed that I would not be receiving my step in grade pay for the year. The reason being that I had commited a major violation of a department safety rule. The rule being, that all arrested individuals will be handcuffed upon arrest and will remain so until discharged to either another police officer or correction officer. Less then 3 months later I submitted my early retirement papers and left the department.
The above incidents were not isolated, there were many others I witnessed. It was just that I could no longer do what was being asked of me. The type of crime no longer makes the difference how, or if you are to be arrested, but rather who or what you are makes the difference. Be scared people, be really damned scared!

[logain721]

I only have one thing to say...


Socialism Rules

[logain721]

This is the very reason why I retired early from law enforcement. There is no equal treatment under the law. The final blow came when another officer and myslef were going to several an arrest warrant on a bank president, for stealing $2.5 million from the bank.
When we got to the bank we went to the lobby and we were greeted by another memeber of management and guess who else, the attorney for the president. The lawyer stated that he was in the process of negotiating with the state attorney for his client to turn himself in. I explained that I had an active warrant and I would be placing him under arrest and transporting him to the station. It was at this time that I was notified by radio to stand by and take no action till I heard from central post.
1 hr. later people I was notified that the president (who was upstairs in his office the whole time) was surrendering himself to custody and that he was going to drive himself to the station and I was to follow him. I did just as was instructed and left the station after I finished my shift.
Now, a few months later I have a call of a shoplifter at a supermarket in town. A man in his late 50's wearing cloths that had not been washed in ages, had been stopped by store employees when he tried to walk out with out paying for some food. The guy had taken less then $4 in canned soup and crackers and I asked if he was sure that he wanted to arrest him or maybe he wanted to just issue him a trespass warning instead..
Management stated that they had a standing policiy that all shoplifters were to be arrested. I had no chose as here in FL. when a storekeeper catches someone for shoplifting, the storekeeper is the same as a law enforcement officer and he can arrest the subject and hold him. I took the man to the staion, with out handcuffing because he was in such bad shape physicaly that he could hardly walk. I processed him and turned him over to the on duty correction officer.
Two days later I am called in to my shift Lt. office, about a complaint from the supermarket manager. The manager was upset that I had not handcuffed the shoplifter and stated that I tried to force him not to prosecute the man either. For the next 15 mins I heard the speech that resulted in me leaving law enforcement. I was told, in a very loud and angery voice that it matters not the cost of what was stolen, whether it was $4 or $4billion dollars if there is sufficent evidence that a crime was committed then an arrest is required and I should make no attempt to change the victims mind.
Now the big one, I was informed that I would not be receiving my step in grade pay for the year. The reason being that I had commited a major violation of a department safety rule. The rule being, that all arrested individuals will be handcuffed upon arrest and will remain so until discharged to either another police officer or correction officer. Less then 3 months later I submitted my early retirement papers and left the department.
The above incidents were not isolated, there were many others I witnessed. It was just that I could no longer do what was being asked of me. The type of crime no longer makes the difference how, or if you are to be arrested, but rather who or what you are makes the difference. Be scared people, be really damned scared!



That is a very sad story there! I hate the way things have been, and may always be if somthing isnt done about it, and thats the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer and suffer more and more. We need a revolution, this is a load of crap when someone gets arrested for stealing food which they needed. NO ONE SHOULD BE DEPRIVED OF FOOD OR WATER!. I would say its about time someone stood up against this monopoly/dictatorship that we got going here. Now I was aressted for shoplifting in the past myself which I guess I did deserve it sense I had gotten away with it for years, but what really pisses me off is my friend got out within 3 hours I was left there for until I had my hearing in court. My friends familys owned a few condos and got him out fast and his charges where dropped, which by the way he was the one who always walked out with the stuff as well. While me on the other hand had to spend a good 2 weeks in jail and got a fellony D charge with probation!!!

Money talks and everything else walks!!!!!!!

[ferrarimodena360]

cant believe there are 8 people who voted yes....

View Poll Results: Should companies be allowed to sue you for filesharing?
Yes 8 8.25%
No 89 91.75%

[Domethius]

Nasrules, what are you talking about, you cannot lose money becasue your product is not selling, the only thing they have lost is PROJECTED sales. I hate when people say they are losing money, my god man if I thought as they did then I would have to say I lost money last year because I PROJECTED that my boss would give me a better raise. Big Business sucks, remember information is evil and knowledge is the enemy (that is what the RIAA and the MPAA want you to believe)

[nasrules]

Nasrules, what are you talking about, you cannot lose money becasue your product is not selling, the only thing they have lost is PROJECTED sales. I hate when people say they are losing money, my god man if I thought as they did then I would have to say I lost money last year because I PROJECTED that my boss would give me a better raise. Big Business sucks, remember information is evil and knowledge is the enemy (that is what the RIAA and the MPAA want you to believe)

6-month-old thread alert!

OK, you have a point. But they're still losing money - if there weren't people downloading music, the music corporations would be making more money - it is as simple as that.

[crackerjacker]

i say do whatever the fuck you want thats the point. screw those bitches who dont respect their own consumers.

[Domethius]

Nasrules, thanks for seeing my point but I still do not care that the ones who stole from me are now being stole from. Down with the RIAA