copy protection for DVD videos

[CompuGeek]

quote from Doom9 (http://www.doom9.org):

Now they've done it. Will we soon have to worry that our store bought DVDs cannot be played on our PCs and many standalones? Previous experience with audio CD copy protection seems to suggest so. Sony has announced a copy protection for DVD videos called ArccOS. So far there seem to be no discs using that mechanism yet, and neither is any data available as to how the mechanism is supposed to work, but if it's as screwed up as audio CD copy protection, here's a question to Sony, from a guy who owns more than 400 store bought DVDs: How am I supposed to get my daily dose of movies if I can no longer play the screwed up discs I can buy in a store? In absence of any legit way to download movies, what choice is there but far eastern pirate DVDs or illegitimate downloads from the Internet? And a message to their legal folks: With DMCA like laws being proliferated all over the world, what point is there in adding another layer of protection, that most likely is going to be broken just as audio CD copy protection mechanisms can still be circumvented. There are already two layers of legal protection, there's CSS, Macrovision and region codes for technical protection. Maybe it's time to start worrying about the cause of piracy, and do something against the root cause.

[Mels_Smileys45]

Hmmm, dont think ill be buying any of these DVD's if I have to worry about wether theyll play or not. I just bought a new DVD player and ill be damned If ill buy a new one anytime soon just to play this crap. But if it will play on my stand alone DVD player, whats to stop me from ripping it to my computer through my video card and bouncing it down to AVI. Divx stock just might go up! whatever happened to being able to back up your data anyway? Can Sony say class action law suit? Maybe not but alot of consumers sure as hell can. I own too many DVD's for this kinda bullplop.

[Ne007]

Why don't they just be cool and add avi support to DVD players? That might get me to buy a new dvd player.....not the crap they're talking about. What dummies.

[Cydor]

Why don't they just be cool and add avi support to DVD players? That might get me to buy a new dvd player.....not the crap they're talking about. What dummies.

you're right, why don't they?

lets SE? the first DVD player i got, played only the original DVDs...then i got the second one that played DVD-R discs, because the first one did not support DVD-R.....now i got my third DVD-DivX-Xvid "Kiss" player witch I'm very happy with...my Kiss DVD-DivX player plays every format there is.

Them greedy bastards rip me off because of their copy protection DVD players.....They can make a DVD player like the "Kiss" player, but they want to rip off people before they finally do it.

Fucking bastards...do not buy their DVD players...do not support this greedy bloody bastards!

[Miniver]

and soon you'll have to buy another one for HDDVD

[ducttapeBigSexy]

In absence of any legit way to download movies, what choice is there but far eastern pirate DVDs or illegitimate downloads from the Internet?

There are legal ways to download movies - I've never tried it, but there's CinemaNow.com. It's linked through from Windows Media 9 (under the premium services), so I have a feeling it's legit.

[infringer]

The legal ways to download movies are poor quality and over priced and on a pay per download method which only allows you to play on your pc as long as you are a member there is DRM boloni in it very queer way of trying to provide a legal alternative to the free solution. You are better off going with netflix, blockbuster, or walmart through there online renting services you pay a monthly fee of like 18.00 you can take out 3 DVD's at a time and return them for another 3 movies there is no limit on the number of movies per month as well. They also pay shipping both ways. ;)
From here you could rip and record DVD's or Rip and encode to Divx or XviD. For anyone interested in divx or xvid I would suggest you rip a movie of your own you can produce better quality film then you can get off the net anyways. Rip the DVD in IFO mode with DVD decryptor then get a program called autogk put your setting to 1CD and select quality rating of 100 and audio AC3 CBR for constant bit rate. Set up two movies on your hard drive ripped in IFO mode then add them to your JOBS list start them before you go to bed when you wake you will wake to to beutifully ripped movies of your own and for a kicker save all proofs of your rentals from the video store on your hard drive or print them out so that you can state that you were staying within the boundries of fair use or what you believe fair use is.

As for DIVX or XVID content philips 642 DVD player you can pick up at your local walmart for the cheap price of 69.99 or buy online at www.walmart.com 100% divx certified player.

If you wish to PVR video direct to divx you can purchase the hardware encoder (captures on the fly direct to divx) at www.newegg.com PLEXTOR makes the model M402U.

To keep updated on new divx technology go to www.divx.com and click the hardware tab.

-infringer-

[Rajarius]

Also cf. doom9:

"...messed up DVDs just like we know form audio CDs and Sony's ARccOS DVD video protection system (that the latest ripping tools can handle just fine)."

RipGuard is meant to stop us from exercising our Fair Use rights. Will it work? Sure, for the average joe, but as we know, ripping tools exist right NOW that will handle this protection. Will it necessarily NOT work in DVD players, et al? Maybe. We'll just have to wait and see.

[SanDiegoKid]

Awesome info, Infringer... I did not know about that hardware encoder. Since I don't have a capture card I've been routing my digital cable receiver through the analog passthrough of my DV cam into the PC's firewire port. Tedious, but I get perfect mpeg4 or mpeg2 with a couple more steps.

[Siskabush]

Well, considering that the MPAA is suing people, and the DVD player I fixed broke down, and my only DVD player is my computer. Now that they are adding copy protection, I aint buying any DVDs anytime soon.

[infringer]

Today, 01:59 AM #9
kleenr
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Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 253 Awesome info, Infringer... I did not know about that hardware encoder. Since I don't have a capture card I've been routing my digital cable receiver through the analog passthrough of my DV cam into the PC's firewire port. Tedious, but I get perfect mpeg4 or mpeg2 with a couple more steps.
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Yes I tried quite a few capture solutions none of them measure up to the standards of the plextor M402U. I am glad I am not the only one who shows intrest twards this. If the video can be out put to a TV it could be captured what good would them copywrighted DVDs do pfffft no good at all really the big corperations are wasting money on copy protection that is prettymuch useless. Some of the CD's which are audio there copywrite protection can be defeated by simply disabling autorun. I also own this plextor unit and the Philips DVD player I mentioned which can be purchased directly from walmart or online for a mere 69.99 and it has played everything I threw at it from MP3 cds to Divx to Xvid without problem heck I even tested putting 6 of my Divx movies I encoded from my DVD collection on to a DVD +R and it held and played every movie in great quality and flawlessly. The access times are much improved as well in coparisions to the first generation of divx players to hit the market. And by the way the plextor M402U will not only capture to divx it will also capture to MPEG4, MPEG2, MPEG1 you may even set it up to capture to be DVD in quality. And another note on the Philips DVD player it will also pay raw mpeg vcds and svcds error free as well as picture CD's.

BUY A PHILIPS 642 DIVX PLAYER ALREADY :P


There will always be a way to copy material a company will go bankrupt trying to protect there content 100% it is not possible and probably will not be possible for many many moons. Instead of wasting all this money on business lost and losing more money in doing so why not provide a solution that the customer wants at a reasonable price. Cut the cheezy streamed videos that have little boxes of pixelation pop up constantly, cut the streaming audio and the low quailty bit rates provided, and finally cut the pay per song or pay per movie if people wish to pay rental fees theres a movie rental joint in just about every town or city, and finally cut the digital rights management crap everyone has the right to do with what they want with there content if they wanna play frisbiee with there DVD they can.

Instead why not make the large number of users share files and content paying a lowcost monthly fee while having to provide the service for the RIAA & MPAA ensuring that content is always available and bandwidth would not cost them a dime either thus making it possible for them to charge less for there monthly fees. Hell if cable tv can provide content for 20 - 100 dollars a month for copywrighted content including music in video form whats all the hubub about really just code up a mighty fine program ensuring that people must upload and download keep it updated and secure and bingo there you have it they will gain customers and provide the service of entertainment while racking in cable type monthly fees as well as side sales from DVD's and CD's software companies should join in on this as well saving them the cost of serving files by an enormous streatch.

For those interested in learning about capturing ripping movies for fair use please visit www.vcdhelp.com as they have a very comprehensive selection of guides on capturing and coverting video between formats.

-infringer-