Need help setting up 98SE ICS XP via DCC

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I cant get my 98SE box to connect to the internet, can anyone help please?

Ok, I have been working on this for 48hrs.
I have a 98SE box (client) connected to an XP box (host) via Serial Cable using Direct Cable Connect (DCC) and the XP box (host) is set to accept incomming connections. The XP box (host) has the dial-up modem with an established internet connection on which Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) is enabled.

The XP box (host) is networked to another XP computer (client) via cross over cable which also shares the internet connection.

I dont have another RJ45 on either of the XP boxes and I dont have a hub, switch or router.

[zaphodiv]

I'v never done this and I'd go and go and get a couple of network cards and a crossover cable rarther than attempt it.

Does the connection establish as described here (http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=814985)?

Does the serial cable work? Do you have some indication of basic connectivity or can you turn off the DCC stuff, open hyperterminal on each PC, select direct to com port, type somthing one one and see it on the other?

You need to establish which bit is broken.

Can the machines ping each other? (might be blocked by personal firewall software) or establish some other TCP/IP based communication eg can you see open connections with netstat or connect to an ftp server on the other machine?

[notbob]

I dont have another RJ45 on either of the XP boxes and I dont have a hub, switch or router.

http://www.compgeeks.com/products.asp?cat=NET

2 NIC'S--6 bucks

http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=C5E-CR-G-07&cat=CBL

crossover cable--1.75

you don't need a switch if you have a crossover cable, and your transfer speeds would probably be 100x faster


don't you think you are worth 10 bucks?

[begoodbebad]

http://www.compgeeks.com/products.asp?cat=NET

2 NIC'S--6 bucks

http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=C5E-CR-G-07&cat=CBL

crossover cable--1.75

you don't need a switch if you have a crossover cable, and your transfer speeds would probably be 100x faster


don't you think you are worth 10 bucks?

This is cheap! And definitely the easiest way to do it.

If all current hardware is working ok then you probably need to be checking your ip/subnet mask(and on the client the default gateway) configuration and your software firewalls. Have you tried to connect with the firewalls disabled? You only need to switch firewalls off for a few seconds to establish this so no real risk. There is a very good chance that your software firewall is a total pig when it comes to configuring for ICS and whatever you do it doesn't work...unless you make an "allow all" rule each way (which is scary and bad) for your particular network adapters/weird ancient cables. Norton is good for working with ICS. Sygate is one firewall which has a nice simple "click here" for LAN sharing. Does it work? No.
I just did this last week and it is amazing how many aspects of configuring a network require a reboot but give no such indication to you...probably you're just supposed to acquire the knowledge by osmosis or telepathy or desperate good luck. Reboot everything until your mouse rattles.

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notbob
Network card on the way and will be here late next week but that dont help for the short term.

zaphodiv
Yeah, when I set it up I selected connect directly to another computer and the serial cable works but only alows me to connect them at 19200 and the XP machine cannot access drives on the 98SE one.

Hyperterminal works, as you suggested I can see the text appear on the other machine but now that I used Hyperterminal my DCC guest wont connect to the host. I reset and checked all settings and rebooted, fixed the problem and now I can DCC again and can even find the host shared folders but still cant access the net on the 98SE.

I recently did the worst thing possible and actually listenned to microsoft help. I did what it said and ran the network auto config program from the CD on my 98SE comp as it said to run it on all computers in the network, now my 98SE will connect to the host computer but cannot find it to access shared folders.

begoodbebad
Im using the Default WinXP firewall only and it is enabled on the dial-up connection but dissabled on the network connections.

[notbob]

notbob

Yeah, when I set it up I selected connect directly to another computer and the serial cable works but only alows me to connect them at 19200 and the XP machine cannot access drives on the 98SE one.




you have the folders/drives properly shared?

right click on folders that are to be shared/properties/sharing

are the computers in the same workgroup? see control panel/system/network identification/properties

lots of times it's the little things that screw you over

for internet, check the properties of the particular connection and make sure the "allow any users to connect through this connection" box is checked

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notbob
I have the folders shared correctly but I think that DCC on XP is only one way. All my networks are set as MSHOME and operate on a 192.168.0.x:255.255.255.0 IP and Subnet Mask.

I will make up a .txt file of all information I have pertaining to my setup and post it for net guru's to analize. If there is any specific information you require, please let me know so I can add it to the .txt for others too.

Any help is appreciated.

[stuperfied]

Ok, here is the .txt file containing all information I thought might be relevent. If I have not included some information which you may need in order to help me, please dont hessitate to ask and I will add it to the file so that both you and other users will be able to help further.

Current status is that the 98SE Client is connected to the XP Host and can access shared folders although I am still unable to access the internet from the 98SE Client.

Thankyou to all those who have helped so far and any further help would be appreciated.

[Krell]

Ok, here is the .txt file containing all information I thought ig be relevent. If I have not included some information which you may need in order to help me, please dont hessitate to ask and I will add it to the file so that both you and other users will be able to help further.

Current status is that the 98SE Client is connected to the XP Host and can access shared folders although I am still unable to access the internet from the 98SE Client.

Thankyou to all those who have helped so far and any further help would be appreciated.

Its 6am, I havent slept, and I read youre diagram. Nice work btw . .

Ok . . my experience with XP, and ICS is this . . you have to run the Network Setup Wizard. This will do a few things in XP that are prereqs. It will assign the Gateway as 192.168.0.1, and make the Application Layer Gateway Service to start automatically. This will also broadcast to any other machines on the same subnet and workgroup, and give them a "pass" to connect.

On your Windows 98 machine, you would already have the Gateway set to 192.168.0.1

Try this leaving the Client as DHCP, then try making the W98 machine DHCP. As long as the machine do not get an APIPA address of 169.254.x.x then youre making progress.

cheers.

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Thanks, I did my best.
That looks great but I dont think it works that way with DCC because DCC is a different type of connection and XP emphasises that fact by putting it in its own little group. To know what im talking about, go to network connections, create an advanced connection to connect to another computer and check out the properties. I dont think you can share the internet on that type of connection in XP like you can in 98.

All good and well except I have the network card I needed now and got the 10 base one (the one that I was using to run the network on the 98 box) to actually work as a UTP. Turns out that there was nothing wrong with it, it just needed the irq set manually on the cards jumper settings to coincide with the irq software settings. I pulled the manufacturer's details directly out of the card its self using "netstat -n" to get the IP and "nbtstat -A nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn" to get the MAC number, then just compaired the first 6 digits of the hex MAC code to the IEEE site and found out the manufacturer's full details. Turns out the manufacturer was Networth and the card is a UTP16A but stupid HP only keeps the manual for the UTP16B so im outta luck there but have high hopes.

I have the computer on the internet now and all that is left to do is check if my host computer will accept the netgear PnP network card because XP wont accept the other one. The reason why it wont accept it is because XP no longer supports non-PnP NE2000 Compatable network cards. -but there is a way to get around that here (http://www.wown.com/j_helmig/wxpne2k.htm). ;)

On a lighter note, the 98SE box's FDD controler gave up and fried the FDD data lead. I was fortunate that I had already put in an old ISA drive controler card to plug the old style (I think they are 25 pin) com port into for the serial cable. I just dissabled the onboard FDD controler, plugged it into the ISA drive controler card and enabled it through its jumpers.

What does this all amount to?
I started this project last week on wednesday night, now its monday night and I wish I never started but it will all be worth it in the end so thanx for all the help from everyone.

I could use some insight into what the wins and dns are too because although I know what the DHCP is, the other two are a little bit of a mystery to me.

Thanx again to everyone and sorry for the long post.