Bush asks courts to reinstate the DMCA subpoenas

[camoor]

Please read the article below if you are even thinking about voting for Bush. The Bush administration wants to appeal the court's decision that the DMCA subpoenas were unconstitutional. Unbelievable.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/business/stories.nsf/0/E11CB7B60B4AB78F86256E4B0021DA6E?OpenDocument&Headline=U.S.+takes+side+of+recording+industry+in+ Charter+case

[shawners]

okay, bush NOW HAS TO GO!

[RJ5500]

A vote for John Kerry (or anyone else that is NOT Bush) is looking very good right now.

This is just total bullshit. :finger

Believeable, but bullshit nonetheless.

Ralph Nader may never be president, but I fully support his stance against big corporate interests and those businesses paying off the government. :gj

[Lord_of_the_Dense]

Now I really know why I'm voting for Kerry.

[damocles]

Ha!
Really, is anyone reading this forum actually thinking of voting that retard Bush?
Nader would be a good choice, but now it is not his time.

[Lord_of_the_Dense]

And neither was last time! lol

[a3ro3]

C'mon, Kerry or Bush could care less about us. 18 to 25-year-olds don't really even vote. A democrat wouldn't erase the DMCA in the first place, when it was signed into law by one (Clinton).
Besides, I like Nader's consumer rights approach but he'll Never get elected. It's a two-party system, and neither care about downloaders' rights.

[RJ5500]

The goal here then is to vote for the lesser of two evils.

At this stage, I'd say that would be the democratic or independant candidates.

[Aaron73153]

I'm voting for Bush gotta problem :ass

[Psilaxs]

Yes, bush has got to go. I was hoping Edwards would not have dropped out.

[Sephiroth]

IMHO Kerry would do the same thing. The toughest laws to kill file sharing with ideas like requiring all digital devices to have copy protection all came from democrats.

So i dont see how there would be any difference especially since it came from the Dept. of Justice and not directly from Bush or a top offical/cabinet member.

[thewhitrbbit]

Kerry has said he's against stunting technological progress.

Please dont vote for nadar, ur only helping bush get elected by doing that.

Oh and I am an 18 year old male who votes.

[RJ5500]

John Kerry does not have a positive stance on filesharing despite saying "he's against stunting technological progress".

http://www.boycott-riaa.com/article/10502

[que-em]

Lets be real. If you want someone on your side you probably want to look at Nader who takes a strong stance against the love affair of Washington and Corporations.

Neither party really gives a damn.

[Sephiroth]

Kerry has said he's against stunting technological progress.

Please dont vote for nadar, ur only helping bush get elected by doing that.

Oh and I am an 18 year old male who votes.

Well im not voting Kerry no matter because i dont think he has a clue on what to do considering the only reason why he got nominated was by copying what Dean then Edwards was doing. He is too liberal IMO too and i remember when he said the south doesnt matter a few months ago. Nader and 3rd parties in general are a joke.

Nader is so out there, i have to wonder if he has been living under a rock for the past decade or something.

[RJ5500]

Yeah, I do believe Nader has been living under a rock. An independant party candidate never becomes president in the United States.

It's been Replublican or Democrat for decades.

[Psilaxs]

IMHO Kerry would do the same thing. The toughest laws to kill file sharing with ideas like requiring all digital devices to have copy protection all came from democrats.

So i dont see how there would be any difference especially since it came from the Dept. of Justice and not directly from Bush or a top offical/cabinet member.


You are correct. But what it WILL do is show them we will vote people out of office who do not listen to the people.

[Sephiroth]

You are correct. But what it WILL do is show them we will vote people out of office who do not listen to the people.

No it wont. It will just show that if you bash the other person enough you dont need to listen to listen to people, you dont need to have any plans, and can get elected through extreemely vague populous promises that you cant make good on.

So instead of getting canadiates who will be able to do the best job we will just get canadiates who is just more "electable" because its not about who can do the best job its about whos "the lesser of evils" which IMHO we deserve much better than that.

[YWD67]

[QUOTE=Aaron73153]I'm voting for Bush gotta problem :ass[/QUOte

If you are voting becuase he:

Started a war using half truths and known misinformatin as his reason.

Stripped the EPA of basicaly anykind of law enforcement when involving the clean water and air act.

Has refused to release any of the Reagan administrations letters or memos after 20yrs that are required by congressional law.

Was able to avoid military service in Viet Naum by working the campaign for one of his fathers friends while in the USAF reserves.

Attempting to legislate sexual morality to the country.

Trying to force manditory military, or civil service for homeland defense for 2 yrs for anyone between 18 and 24yrs old.

Then yes Aaron I do have a problem with that. As according to many national poles, so does 55% of the country and growing.

[wingnut2600]

Yes, bush has got to go. I was hoping Edwards would not have dropped out.

Man, you need to start opening your mind to new ideas with your constant conservative rhetoric and look at the other... WHA?!?

lol... I agree... Edwards was a better candidate. Kerry isn't too bad, but he is a little centrist for me and "Old Washington." He feels like part of the status quo. He is still much better than GW though...

[Sephiroth]

Wow that wasnt more partisan mudslinging.. And things like reinstating the draft just isnt true. I think the continuing fearmongering by democrats is pathetic and just shows they dont have any plans just like they didnt during the midterm elections and lost badly.

As i already said before bush bashing isnt enough and looking past all that which unless you've been living under the same rock Nader has been youve herd all this anti-bush crap before numerous times. So its always surprizing that the same people keep repeating it over and over like a broken record thinking that maybe if they say it enough times it will become true and more people will care.

Because in the end even after all the negative crap has been said people still dont like John Kerry so what does that say about him? I mean he has had it pretty easy and has been bashing bush nonstop with no real response for months now and the best he can do is a slim lead. If this was october then polls might mean something.

[wingnut2600]

Wow that wasnt more partisan mudslinging.. And things like reinstating the draft just isnt true. I think the continuing fearmongering by democrats is pathetic and just shows they dont have any plans just like they didnt during the midterm elections and lost badly.

As i already said before bush bashing isnt enough and looking past all that which unless you've been living under the same rock Nader has been youve herd all this anti-bush crap before numerous times. So its always surprizing that the same people keep repeating it over and over like a broken record thinking that maybe if they say it enough times it will become true and more people will care.

Because in the end even after all the negative crap has been said people still dont like John Kerry so what does that say about him? I mean he has had it pretty easy and has been bashing bush nonstop with no real response for months now and the best he can do is a slim lead. If this was october then polls might mean something.

Where did this come from?
Are you responding to YWD?

Man, you need to close this thread if you are going to start this type of shit... It died down and then you had to write this. You made your opinion known, then you start with this inflammatory statement. You are a moderator, try to say less and moderate invisibly. We all know, you endorse Bush and will defend his honor, singlehandedly if needed. Well, that is great.

If I remember, this thread was about the DMCA and you have made several posts off-topic and incited further flaming. Please keep your comments relevant or I will have to report you (oh, wait)...

[Sephiroth]

Where did this come from?
Are you responding to YWD?

Man, you need to close this thread if you are going to start this type of shit... It died down and then you had to write this. You made your opinion known, then you start with this inflammatory statement. You are a moderator, try to say less and moderate invisibly. We all know, you endorse Bush and will defend his honor, singlehandedly if needed. Well, that is great.

If I remember, this thread was about the DMCA and you have made several posts off-topic and incited further flaming. Please keep your comments relevant or I will have to report you (oh, wait)...

For your idea that i should be say less and be invisible. No, so stop asking. That is the "traditional" mod approach and is blows, and those type of mods are out of touch with community and have as much personality as your inanimate object of choice.

Ill be sure to give myself a stern lecture.

[wingnut2600]

Ill be sure to give myself a stern lecture.

LOL! That is a great mental picture... be sure to be strict!

[Wolfie]

I guess that's one more reason to say no to Bush (by voting that is).

[PiRaNeTuS]

Yes, I'll be voting for Bush.

No, I don't agree with everything he does.

Sometimes, you just have to go with the lesser of the two evils. And I would much rather have Bush than Kerry. I don't have a problem with his religious beliefs, his views on what marriage is, or the war with Iraq.

I do have other problems with him. But again, I agree more with him than any others that are running. So, yes, I will be voting for him.

[camoor]

OK, first off, Kerry is not going to fight for filesharing.

But the issue is the DMCA subpoenas that give the self-interested RIAA the ability to identify anyone they suspect of downloading copyrighted music. Anyone remember the 60+ year olds that they sued for downloading Ludacris...

This is spearheaded by Ashcroft, who was appointed by Bush. As leader, Bush is responsible for Ashcroft's fascist take on law enforcement.

While not perfect, Kerry represents a change for the better.

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Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst.
- Thomas Paine

[Sephiroth]

OK, first off, Kerry is not going to fight for filesharing.

While not perfect, Kerry represents a change for the better.


Doesnt that kinda conflict with one another. Anyways if kerry's opinion on file sharing is like all the other democrats in the senate then he would be much worse.

Ashcroft was appointed by Bush but confirmed by congress so does that mean that congress and some democrats are also responisble for Ashcrofts actions as well?

[camoor]

Doesnt that kinda conflict with one another. Anyways if kerry's opinion on file sharing is like all the other democrats in the senate then he would be much worse.

It doesn't conflict at all. Just because Kerry is not going to champion Kazaa, he will not sell the court system out to the RIAA for campaign endorsements. And Republicans are usually backing up the RIAA, just do a google on Orin Hatch(R) and the RIAA if you don't believe me.


Ashcroft was appointed by Bush but confirmed by congress so does that mean that congress and some democrats are also responisble for Ashcrofts actions as well?

Congress is controlled by the Republicans. Therefore even though the Democrats voted against Ashcroft, they were forced to live with the will of the majority.

But Sepiroth, if you want the Religious Right to control which wars we fight, what we can say on the Radio/TV, and which class of people are allowed to enter into civil unions, then by all means please vote for Bush. After all, we've already been compared to the Roman Empire, we might as well put the last nail in the coffin of this Democracy farce.

PS - The last sentence is sarcasm, lest anyone misinterprets.

[wingnut2600]

just do a google on Orin Hatch(R) and the RIAA if you don't believe me.

Actually it is Orrin Hatch:
http://hatch.senate.gov/

This is the most relevant link with the words that you suggested:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/34191.html

Here is a google news search for him:
http://news.google.com/news?q=orrin+hatch&num=20&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wn

Here are news items on this very site about Orr' (who is a recording artist himself):
http://www.google.com/search?num=20&hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=orrin+hatch+site%3Azeropaid.com&btnG=Google+Search

I had created a fabulous thread about how he was insane, you can read it here:
http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=11565
(The odd thing is that I searched for it in the forums with the search, and I couldn't find it, but trying to add my pic again... it gave me the desired page since I had already attached it! how nice!)

Here it is... computer blowing-up time!!! (man, I love this picture, I also recently found out that it is from the Resident Evil movie when I caught it late at night):
http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=11565&page=2&pp=15

[TheScaryOne]

I've read the thread, and this is directed to the people who think the democrats support filesharing more than republicans.

SENATOR JOE LEIBERMAN IS A DEMOCRAT.

I think I have said enough. The man tries to ban all videogames with a rating higher than M, and tries to make the ratings more strict so that almost all games are rated M. He wants to ban all music that has dirty words.... The man is.... Well. He's scum. Bought and paid for scum. Just not by the RIAA, yet.

[DudeAsInCool]

I think the continuing fearmongering by democrats is pathetic and just shows they dont have any plans....So its always surprizing that the same people keep repeating it over and over like a broken record ...

Fearmongering? I think that's a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Ever since 911, its been the Bush administration that's been peddling an aura of fear. Unlike the Dem's campaign retoric-- fear, the vey essence of it, was utilized by this administration to back pre-election plans to invade Iraq and install a democracy in the Middle East. In fact, the Bush administration reversed 50 years of American foreign policy by launching a pre-emptive strike on Iraq. The issue is not whether or not there were WMDs there --the issue is that Bush lied to the American people about his plans for the Middle East when he was initially campaigning for President. He lied to the American people and he used 911 to finish up the job his father couldnt, instead of focusing on the terrorists who attacked us in the first place.

So where is the moderate Bush we were promised? Where is the guy who promised to not be a world interventionalist??!!?? Ultimately, the Bush buildup of our national defenses is to make the United States the preeminent world power well into this 21st century. But at what cost? In the process, this administration has weakened our civil liberties, limited our freedom of speech and freedom to travel, attempted to stifle our right to dissent. while putting our young men and women at serious risk... This military buildup, in combination with tax cuts that primarily help the wealthy, have erased whatever surplus we had to cover the cyclable downturn in the economy. And now, with the baby boomers approaching retirement age, the administration want to cut back on those benefts, too...

Where is the guy who promised to be the education president? Well, instead of buying books and strengthening our public schools, he sends the students pamphlets on sexual abstinence, and tries to pushes religion into education and government policy.

Do you really want 4 more years of this crap?

Quite the contrary, Seph, the Democrats DO have a plan--less military, a roll back on tax cuts for people who dont need them, so we can provide more social benefits to aid students, provide universal health care and job training for the disenfranchised. They will save social security. Tax incentives will be established for businesses that hire Americans, instead of those who outsource our jobs and weaken the very fabric of our communities. And rather than policing and thumbing our nose at the rest of the world, Democratic leadership would reach out to the UN and other countries and do it together.

Ironically, this year isnt about partisanship politics. Its about jobs, security and hope for the future. Simply put, people want a change like they did in California--and this time, its a a Republican in the White House who is going to get the boot... You can feel it in the air and its going to happen

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On a side note, John Kerry is for protecting copyrights. But in a recent interview he criticized the record industry for not keeping up with technology, and said consumers have a right to fair use. You are correct that some Democrats have been pushing for stricter laws, probably because of their close ties to Hollywood--but that hasnt been the case with Kerry...

And Scary One, Joe Lieberman's positions on video games ARE scary, but not all democrats agree with him. That said, video games have nothing to do with file-sharing, so you leap of faith makes no sense...

[damocles]

Man, what a storm on this thread.
But with all due respect to the file sharing community, I couldn't care less which one of the candidates is more pro file sharing.
I care more about who can provide a better health care and a better education for the kids. If the people wold be a little more educated, there might be a chance for them to actually have a saying in America's policy, not just let themselves be bought by comercials.

I just saw on TV how much money Bush and Kerry have to invest in their campaign - mostly for comercials. What the f*@k, people are voting on which comercial they see more.

Good old 70's, when young people were thinking, and actually getting out to let the gouvernment know what exactly they are thinking.

Sorry, gotta go, I have a game of Unreal waiting. Enough revolution for today ;)

[NEOVIZION]

A vote for John Kerry (or anyone else that is NOT Bush) is looking very good right now.

This is just total bullshit. :finger

Believeable, but bullshit nonetheless.

Ralph Nader may never be president, but I fully support his stance against big corporate interests and those businesses paying off the government. :gj

Sorry but Nader is screwing things up again. The only way Bush will be out is if Nader drops out of the race. As of this morning he has taken enough voters to put Kerry out of the race and put Bush in the lead.

[Burd]

Never vote based upon just one issue. We can speculate all day on what Kerry MIGHT do concerning things like file sharing or censorship, but we definitely know what George Bush HAS DONE and will continue to do if given a renewal. Ralph Nader is a sincere individual whom we have to thank for making many of our consumer products safer. I voted for him the last time because I saw no difference between Bush and Gore. Now, after four years, I KNOW there is a difference (or, is there? Gore never had a chance, in more ways than one.) Kerry would have to be the devil incarnate to do worse than Bush has done. Our freedoms are on the line. More and more are seeing the light. Even Howard Stern, who initally supported Bush in his little personal war of revenge, has changed his tune. (How could he not? Most of us protest only when it's OUR rights that are being threatened. Unfortunately, as in the case with Stern, it's usually too late. Should have said something before, Howard.) "Bush must go!" is the chant I hear over and over again. Most strongly from my young students who will be voting for the first time this year. As Bob Dylan once said, "The times they are a changin'"!

[Lucian]

The real reason I'm against Bush and for Kerry is because Bush is a social conservative and fiscal liberal. Bush loves to spend money, raise our debt(which we have to pay back somehow), and generally Bush hates all gays and minorities.

It's not religion that matters, its not gun control, or even the right to choose, but do we really want someone who wants to divide the country by race, sexual prefrence, religion, etc? Thats not what a leader does.

Bush pisses all sides off in every debate, even his own. He's not a real fiscal conservative because he likes to spend money(even moreso than Kerry), he pisses off poor white conservatives when he sticks up for big business all the time, and then he lets in millions of mexicans?! I thought he was a true social conservative?


The problem with Bush is, hes not loyal to any side of any debate, he floats around when it suits his political gain. Bush will sell out the country, lie to all of us and spin it around to make himself look good politically. Bush is bad for the economy because he supports outsourcing, and if you happen to hate Mexicans and live in the west, hes bad for social conservatives. Hes against gay marriage and stem cell research so all gays and scientists are pissed off at him. He wont fund the new no child left behind initivative so all the teachers, professors and educators hate him. How does Bush respond? Instead of taking the blame for 911, for the intelligence faliures, for not being able to fix the economy, for not being able to pay for the schools etc all Bush does is blame other people, lie, and make all sides fight each other while he rides high on his horse.

Sorry but if you cant see whats going on, go ahead and vote for Bush. When we get into another war and the national debt is twice what it is now, then what will you do? And do you realize that a lot of influential people are gay/lesbian? Do you know that a lot of these high up business people who Bush wants to befriend also happen to support gay marriage.

I don't think Bush is a very good leader, his only moment of good leading was on 911 itself. Now its all political again. Kerry is a better vote simply because Kerry won't piss off everyone, he will bring us together and the only way to fight the REAL enemy (the terrorists) is if we stop fighting each other.

Kerry is a fiscal conservative, but social liberal. That right now seems to be exactly what the country needs, its not what I prefer but its what the country needs.