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Sephiroth
February 24th, 2004, 09:51 AM
The latest beta versions of EarthStation 5, the controversial program, has been confirmed in leeching off Gnutella and Fasttrack networks. It has been publically stated by the developer, in the change log, that they allow downloading, but not sharing through these networks.

“1. So I added FastTrack and Gnutella to ES5 using the giFT project. ES5 only downloads from these networks. It does not SHARE on them since they are insecure (sharing files on these networks you can be tracked and sued but downloading so far has been safe). Files that you download from these networks go into your New Media Files directory and DO get shared via the ES5 network.” -Source

The justification that is being used to leech off p2p networks for their own gain is that the “unprotected” work of p2p is going down and What they want to do “…is to salvage what we can before the Old Girl slips beneath the waves. Let's get the best of all that material onto the ES5 network where people can safely share it.”

Its ironic for a group that claims to support File Sharing/P2P, that their idea of support, is to exploit other networks by leeching off of them. Since ES5 claimed last August in a interview on Slyck that they had 12 million users, if that was true then there would be no need to leech from other networks. The arguement that this is ok, because their program is somehow safer is a poor one. Not only has ES5 not proven to be secure or "safe" by any means, but if they had a superior program, then they wouldnt need to leech to get files on their network.

This is only the beginning because there are plans to support other “unprotected” networks too including “Soulseek, Emule, Overnet, Gnutella2, more Gnutella, more FastTrack, Bittorrent”.

There is no excuse, and no justification, for any program to leech off any network with no ability to also share on it. This malicious behavior hurts all of File Sharing, and is exploiting users on other networks who do share for their own benefit.

The reason why i decided to post this is merely to inform people of the malicious practices that was uncovered about this program. I believe that people have a right to know this information, and since it has been made blantently obvious in public by employees of ES5 itself, they should have no problem with anyone else informing others.

flantanella
February 24th, 2004, 10:30 AM
earthstation is full of spyware and the downloads dont even come up
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Potato
February 24th, 2004, 12:07 PM
Why doesn't this surprise me?

Evil_Dweller_01
February 24th, 2004, 01:19 PM
Wow...these people just piss me off more and more

Let them, they'll get banned soon from those networks

At least gnutella

Ne007
February 24th, 2004, 06:24 PM
earthstation is full of spyware and the downloads dont even come up
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It's full of spyware? I don't use it, but I don't think it has spyware.

SamJam
February 24th, 2004, 09:45 PM
Well, with this thread and the News story (which has nothing in it that hasn't already been said). You can expect the mud slinging to begin. When it starts, keep in mind that you asked for it...lol

wingnut2600
February 24th, 2004, 09:54 PM
So, it is okay to post negative things about ESV, but not the converse? I am not a proponent of ESv, nor have I ever used it, but it seems that the only things written about ES5 are negative.

I would prefer to see nothig at all about ES5 instead of just the bad stuff.

Sephiroth
February 24th, 2004, 09:59 PM
Well, with this thread and the News story (which has nothing in it that hasn't already been said). You can expect the mud slinging to begin. When it starts, keep in mind that you asked for it...lol

They have been continuing to try to start shit here for a long time, using clone names and etc. So the mud slinging didnt really stop ever.

And i dont think that the threat of a couple of their trolls posting the same old accusations over again should prohibit me or any site from informing people of the practices that they are openly engaging in.

SamJam
February 24th, 2004, 11:01 PM
I agree with wingnut

Things have been fairly calm here for a while, unless I'm missing something, you always have a few trolls on every forum. I won't comment on whether ES5 is good or bad, but I have noticed that ZP never says anything positive about it. They don't even acknowledge it (by posting updates,etc). So why bother with the negative? Some tend to throw fuel on the fire, then when the ES5 gang retaliate, everyone bitches about "them" starting the shit.
I've lurked around on their forum in the past, and they are quite vocal, but it most of their comments do stay on that forum (with the exception of a few. I'm sure not everyone is perfect). If anything, they have more anti-ES5 trolls spamming their forums than here, and there have been accusations from both sides of the street.
I realise that ZP are well within their rights to choose the content on their site (which is why I've kept my mouth shut in the past), but I think that only posting the dirt whenever given the chance isn't the best thing. You're beating a dead horse and inviting trouble.

But hey... that's just my opinion.

Cheers,
Sam

Sephiroth
February 25th, 2004, 08:52 AM
Again they have not stopped trolling and spamming this forum now and then which the other moderators and I have to clean up hence why things are "quiet." So the idea if we dont pretend they exist just wont work and your assumption that they wont spam here every now and then is wrong because that is not what happens in reality. We are not inviting trouble because trouble never left.

They are a malicious program that leeches off other networks and that is why they arent supported here. If we used your arguement then we should endorse and support other scams like Kazaa Gold and all the others. Or not warn people of these kinds of malicious programs that are just out to take advantage of people or other networks. And every other major p2p site is doing the exact same thing.

Brycen257
February 27th, 2004, 09:08 PM
I agree 100 % with the comments made by Sephiroth . I have seen numerous instances both here at Zeropaid and at Slyck.com where the leeches and malicious dirtbags that seem to hang out at ESV seem determined to malign them , make false claims about them, spread phony rumors , stir up controversy and mislead the members and guests that partonize both forums. Both zeropaid and slyck are performing a valuable service in warning the public to be very careful in dealing with these con artists.