File distribution

[damiansvothi]

Hey guys,

We have a technology that allows us to DRM protect files so that they can be distributed on P2P networks, on a "try before you rent" type basis... I think its a great fit for P2P.

With filesizes in the 1-2Gb range, what is the best way for us to get these files up on the P2P networks for users to find with keyword searches?

We're additionally looking for some to help manage this task.

Thanks!

Damian

[MacGyver]

most forms of drm have been hacked, or will be hacked. once it is on p2p we will just distribute and share the non drm version.

[Muffin_Man]

you wont find anyone here who supports any drm-infested products, no matter what it is. drm has the nasty flaw of limiting the average user's fair use rights while doing nothing to actually prevent piracy.

[Malicious Intent]

DRM tends to set peoples alarm bells off.
Your biggest obsticle will be convincing people to use their upload bandwidth for your profit. If you are paying money, you expect that service to be included.
As for setting keywords, you just type them in on the file sharing application for the network you plan to release the file on.
For such large files I would recommend looking into bittorrent. You can then provide links from your site or make releases on well known torrent sites. Make sure that it is clear that it is only a trail version, or you'll have some unhappy file sharers!

[hawkburn]

If your website link is what your selling.. know that people can get all the FREE porn they want, in full versions. Plus, I dont think you should link to porn from ZeroPaid, even if its only your WWW button.

[Malicious Intent]

If your website link is what your selling.. know that people can get all the FREE porn they want, in full versions.
lol. Good point.
Perhaps the wrong market to try and get XXX money from.
Most give away free clips with their web address on.

[cjules13]

if you don't know the answer to your question, I don't want ur shit...

[damiansvothi]

if you don't know the answer to your question, I don't want ur shit...
... how does asking about P2P distribution infer that our interactive moviedisc technology isn't absolutely fabulous... which it is.

In any event, I was just trying to get an idea of how P2P gurus fealt about the concept.... and I'm feeling it... :)

Any more feedback? Doesn't anyone think its a good means to legitimize P2P while still keeping it free? Ie. a mix of shared and "try before you buy" type of stuff? I agree that the description should indicate "try before you buy" or "free preview included" or something along those lines...

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[damiansvothi]

lol. Good point.
Perhaps the wrong market to try and get XXX money from.
Most give away free clips with their web address on.

Yes, a lot of companies distribute clips with their web address on it... actually quite a clever idea.

There are companies, like 405, that specialize in that form of marketing. It apparently works, especially with newbies to P2P....

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[Ken17625]

I believe Muffin_Man sums up my opinion on the subject.

The only reason to DRM protect a file, is to "limit" in some way.

Limited P2P doesn't agree with me.

[damiansvothi]

I believe Muffin_Man sums up my opinion on the subject.

The only reason to DRM protect a file, is to "limit" in some way.

Limited P2P doesn't agree with me.

So basically, none of you want to pay for anything? I'm not saying there's anything wrong with digital file "sharing"... I'm no angel when it comes to "not downloading"... however, I also spend money on things I like. Almost all programs I've ever purchased started out as "free trials". (Let's not digress into cracks just yet.)

Do you think there are other users that might share my opinions, or perhaps other newbie users might be interested in downloading content that they have to pay for on P2P?

Or is P2P strictly for "free" content... end of story? What do you think?

D

[MusikBeatz23]

I'm not trying to bring your hopes down on making some money, but there's a big reason people use file sharing apps. and that is to get content for free content, and If what hawkburn stated above is what your trying to give free previews of I doubt you will succeed. You're going the wrong way nobody is going to want a restricted file when the FULL version is just 2 lines above the DRM version.

[Muffin_Man]

its not a matter of whether or not people want to pay. i will not ever spend a dime on a product that a) assumes i am a criminal and b) limits my rights. it is offensive. rather than releasing your product with the standard ineffectual drm, try doing it freely, but packaging it with contact and payment information, and ask that that information not be removed. not everyone will pay, but your product will be available, and you will more likely see more sales than drming would ever do.

[zaphodiv]

Transmissionfilms (http://www.transmissionfilms.com/) continues to try this buisness model. They distribute movies in windows media player format on the ed2k and overnet networks. Payment is required to play the files. Their files have few sources or no complete source despite transmissionfilms making considerable efforts to seed.

>So basically, none of you want to pay for anything?
That sums up the attitude of the overwhelming majority of filesharing users.

[icarus]

So basically, none of you want to pay for anything? I'm not saying there's anything wrong with digital file "sharing"... I'm no angel when it comes to "not downloading"... however, I also spend money on things I like. Almost all programs I've ever purchased started out as "free trials". (Let's not digress into cracks just yet.)

Do you think there are other users that might share my opinions, or perhaps other newbie users might be interested in downloading content that they have to pay for on P2P?

Or is P2P strictly for "free" content... end of story? What do you think?

D

Hello everyone! I've just got back from Amsterdam!
My first point is.... P2P is a concept. All my P2P downloads have been legal. most recently I got the Prince of Persia video and Unreal 2 video. I then bought Unreal 2. (it was only £15 um $10 from a cheepy shop)

DRM fails in that it tries to enforce a rule that simply does not work.

example: a long time ago, my Massive Attack - Mezzanine CD "broke" by broke I mean it suddenly, one day, decided not to work. it could have been decaying or ... I don't know... whatever.

However, the shop says I have to buy another.

Well, if I have to buy another, then I own the physical thing and can do what I want. (copy it for my mate)

If I don't own it then the label should replace my broken media with new media so I can enjoy the data I am Renting from them.

DRM attempts to stitch all sides. I don't know if anyone has pointed out to anyone at Microsoft but the only way to keep their operating system running is to reformat and reinstall every 3 months. I run linux on my main pc which has had no reinstalls ever... but I bought XP for my laptop and I curse microsoft everytime i have to reformat my hard disc. Why after few months does windows thinks it needs to allocate 25 meg per internet web page. 200 meg for looking at 8 pages is unacceptable!

eesh! do apologise.
/rant

[shawners]

ill wait for DCM to come out.. DIGITAL CONSUMER MANAGEMENT..

[ROCKAMANIAC]

LOL Thanks Shawners! i was wondering what the F "DCM" meant ; )