NEW! OverNet Forum

[Roamerick]

I'd like to know how many of you would like a separate OverNet forum (If you don't know what OverNet is... Get it NOW!). I think it's time this awesome program got its own space separately from its clunkier older brother, eDonkey.

As usual, only you can make it happen.

[more info on www.overnet.com]

[Sephiroth]

For the Fourth frickin time... Overnet is the new e-donkey verison and should just take over the e-donkey forum because the older e-donkey will not be actively developed..

If doesnt deserve its own space when it will eventually take over the e-donkey forum.. Beside its the SAME PROGRAM just different verisons with one a different name..

[Roamerick]

Originally posted by Sephiroth
For the Fourth frickin time... Overnet is the new e-donkey verison and should just take over the e-donkey forum because the older e-donkey will not be actively developed

What's your problem with OverNet, Seph? For the fourth time you're wrong, and unlike you I can actually back up my argument. Allow me to quote the developer whom, with all due respect to you, should actually know what's going on:

7.31.02 - Many people are wondering what will happen with eDonkey2000 now that there is Overnet. The both networks will continue to exist separately from one another. Once Overnet reaches a stable point, development will resume on the donkey. Both programs will continue to be supported as they serve slightly different needs.. Registration will work with either program [source: www.edonkey2000.com home page]

Clear enough for you or should I up the font size a little? Also allow me to point out that Frost has its own forum, and Frost is way less functionally "ready" than OverNet (In fact the whole of Freenet is all but useless in its current development stage).

Now please stop this, quit interfering and let people decide for themselves; there is no need for powerplay here.

[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by Roamerick


What's your problem with OverNet, Seph? For the fourth time you're wrong, and unlike you I can actually back up my argument. Allow me to quote the developer whom, with all due respect to you, should actually know what's going on:


I dont have a problem with overnet.. BTW you didnt have to go back to the other 3 times and post the same thing..

Back up well considering that your quote came from the edonkey website and not the overnet one and Registration will work with either program. Also i would like to point out that there isnt two forums for all the other programs that changed networks here either.

What it boils down it is weather do you want one active and popular edonkey/overnet forum or two less active spread out seperate forums that wont get as many posts as the one would but will make one person happy..

Since im one of the moderators and would have to deal with any new forums i think i should have my say because whatever is decided does affect me.

[evilmegaman]

I agree with Sephiroth on this one romerick. It's just a new version of edonkey without central servers. But I do like it :) But it doesn't need a forum.

[Roamerick]

I think you guys are totally missing the point, but whatever, if anything the poll will decide.

[evilmegaman]

Too bad we're tied :blah

[Rickio]

my 2 cents

we need a overnet forum

this place is for sharing knowledge and helping one another.
isn't it?

peace

[3Pacellipse]

All of you guys saying its the same as the donkey are stupid. Seriously you have NO clue what overnet is and you shouldnt even be commenting. Roamerick is correct and it should have its OWN forum. Sephiroth you are an idiot so please stop commenting, no one in their right mind would listen to whatever your saying. You remind me of that crazy homeless lady that every major city has, she just sleeps on the street and starts talking to passers by, no one listens and hopes she gets some serious help. Once again eDonkey and Overnet are two DIFFERENT networks and are two DIFFERENT programs. Besides how will this forum directly affect you? It wont! You wont goto it so why do you not want it. Its like me saying "NO KAZAA FORUMS", because I know a newbie such as yourself uses regular KaZaA. I say MAKE THE FORUM! or you can be stupid like Sephiroth and evilmegaman...

[TC75580]

I know the programs are different, but the current solution is to change the name of the forum to eDonkey2000/Overnet. Then if in the future it becomes flooded with posts, or Overnet becomes as popular as KaZaA, then there might be a need for a new forum. But in its current state, Overnet does not need a forum on its own. Since it requires the .NET SDK, there aren't a ton of people using Overnet right now. I'd say at least wait until it gets closer to a final release.

[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by 3Pacellipse
Sephiroth you are an idiot so please stop commenting, no one in their right mind would listen to whatever your saying. You remind me of that crazy homeless lady that every major city has, she just sleeps on the street and starts talking to passers by, no one listens and hopes she gets some serious help.

LOL. Just because you dont agree with what i say doesnt make me crazy and doesnt mean you should roll out with the personal insults and calling me a newbie which i think is halarious..

The forums affect me because im one of the moderators.. So i might not make a ton of posts there but im still responisble for what goes on..

Ive been pretty much agree on what TC75580 said.. Maybe i should hae pointed it out for the anklebiters here earyler.. When i say there isnt a need for a seperate forum i mean right now.. Maybe in the future if it becomes popular and it could survive on its own then yea maybe it could use its own forum.. But IMHO some people are jumping the gun here and are being a little too impatient.. Its still very new and will take probably a while to get the bugs out so its stable/useable and efficent enough for the average usuer and when .net is more accepted amoung users which now its not..

[Ken17625]

I'd use Overnet, if it wasn't for that .NET shit. But, oh well who needs me anyways heheheh.

[evilmegaman]

We all need you ken :P

[morgrum]

I've been using eDonkey and Overnet for a while now. Alot of the same files can be found on both networks, and Overnet has alot more content than I expected to find. eDonkey still has more for now though.

[Roamerick]

Double standards ahoy. Justify me this then:

1) Frost forum - why? It has less than 100 users and it's not even meant to be a P2P app in the traditional sense.

2) Gnutella - You have a forum for just about every client

'Nuff said.

[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by Roamerick

'Nuff said.

First i would like to point out that your examples are both open networks. Overnet isnt..

That doesnt really matter anyways there isnt two morpheus forums one for fasttrack and one for gnutella.. Nor is there two WinMX forums one for the old network and one for the new network..

[Roamerick]

It's like trying to squeeze sense out of a stone ;)

[Rickio]

Hey Roamerick...
I agree with you and also wonder why anyone who is open minded enough to be involved with p2p and obviously using p2p apps can be so close minded in some regards.

Strange huh?

This is a site to learn and share but if often seems like other mysterious attitudes are at work.

Peace!

[Foreverboard]

I agree with both sides. But i do agree more with Sephiroth, i think the forum for Edonkey should be ajusted to include overnet FOR NOW. i have been using overnet for three weeks or so and I love it, but I (my opinion here) feel that it would be an overkill to exspect so much out of a new program. Take it from someone who operates a forum it is harder work to create a new one when you can just ajust an exsiting one. Even Edonkey just added a overnet catorgy to its exsiting forum instead of makeing a new forum for overnet.com.

[Roamerick]

Check again, they now have a dedicated OverNet forum :)

Also ShareReactor has a while ago, added a dedicated ON forum to their list.

AND Filenexus has now started ON-only releases.

[Sephiroth]

Romerick are you going to push for this everyday? No offense but its getting annoying and no matter how hard you push or what reason you find its still too early here to have its own dedicated forum here based on things here.. Taking cheap shots at me also wont help you either.

Those sites are mainly edonkey specific sites too. Zeropaid isnt one..

[Roamerick]

Look Seph, with all due respect I'll push as much as I want. You obviously have no interest in OverNet and I assume you're not a user, and that's fine. However, it strikes me as a great disappointment that ZP, of all places would take such a negative stance towards the most recent advance in P2P - especialy where every single other forum has opened its arms to OverNet.

In any case the conversation has moved away from you personally and in my last post I was simply straightening out facts pointed out by Foreverboard, so please don't take everything I say as a slight to your person.

I can go as far as saying that I understand, if not share, the thinking behind your position. I only wish I could sit you down and show you exactly why ON deserves its own place in what I until recently considered the best hangout for all P2P info.

I must restate though that I disagree with your arguments regarding the similarity between eDonkey and OverNet, since the only things they actually have in common is the hashing algorithm and the author. Everything else is different, as OverNet is based on an implementation of the Kadmelia protocol, a fabulously clever scalable architecture for P2P based on some pretty advanced principles. This is no Donkey, and no Gnutella, either. I suggest you look for, and read, the whitepaper on the subject. It's academic and very complicated, but a good read which I expect you can appreciate.

Maybe it'll change your mind and maybe not. But the thing that makes me so persistent on this issue is not so much OverNet's qualities (deserving though they are) but your failure - as any unbiased observer of this thread will see - to present a single valid argument against it besides "I can't be bothered to maintain another forum." Although that is your right, I expected more from a ZP mod.

Again don't take this as an insult. I'm hereby burying the hatchet on this and letting it be. In any case I spend more time on the ON forums these days, as ZP has declined in interest for me (What would I use anything else for? Gnutella? Kazaa? WinMX? Clearly not.). So I'll leave it here, barring anyone else posting any more inaccurate info ;)

[Sephiroth]

I have presented numerous arguements and other posters here have agreed with them.. There have been less than ten threads on this forum that deal directly with overnet. A final verison hasnt even been released yet. Weather you want to accept this reasons is not up to me..

That is not enough IMHO to warrent its own forum at this time and that is all im concerned with not what other sites do nor your opinion on how great this program is. Which your opinion on it doesnt matter to me nor should it matter in how things are done on this forum..

This is a portal site not a overnet site and other P2P portal sites also dont have a dedicated forum like slyck for example.. And like i orginally said all overnet posts are made in yes the edonkey forum..

[Roamerick]

Let it rest Seph, you've already painted yourself into a corner.

[CCSDUDE]

This is an old ass post but I'll comment on it. I do feel that it needs it's own forum BUT I'd say wait till it's roots are in deeper. No use in making a forum for a app that goes belly up in the first few months......






Peace all, Later

[grab_grab_the_haddock]

why not just call the edonkey forum the edonkey/overnet forum?

the two are extremely similar, run on the same network, with the same files, take the same sharereactor and filenexus links. and the userbase isnt really big enough to justify two seperate forums.

and for the record i say this as a keen overnet user.

[canrocks]

If overnet did have it's own section, this is what I'd ask:

I installed overnet, I already had .net from the bridge, but when I start overnet, i get this error message:
File or assembly name AxInterop.SHDocVw, or one of it's dependencies, was not found.
at csclient.Banner..ctor()
at csclient. KCToolbar..ctor()
at csclient.MainWindow.Initialise Component()
at csclient.Mainwindow..ctor()
at csclient.Mainwindow.Main(String[] args)

[Sephiroth]

This is the deal.. I am against any program having its own forum until its stable and have had at least one stable release, maybe even a stable network and its useable. The program could either have a final verison or in late beta.. Thats for the stand circumstance. However if the makers wanted to use these forums or something that would be different and yeah i woudlnt have a problem with that maybe create a beta section then..

[The Hunter]

Seph I agree 100%, When everything is proved to work properly, and is stable then is the time to start its own section. Also if the makers request it, you might make a beta test thread for it. RE pros and cons of it. until it is proven a seperate forum might just be jumping the gun.Then it could earn its way into having its own forum.