CD-R Question

[Juggalo15]

As Everyone knows half of the damn .iso's or .bin's (back-ups of course :aim ) take up like 740 Mb on cd. Now some of the ones I have run across have now taken up too 760 mb's. I was wondering if there is a place to get cdr's that are above the 700 mb burning level. Also I know about O/B its just that usually allowed you to do very little over 700 but does help.

Thanks in advance too any help.

btw i did google but there is soo much trash and illrelivant information on there know....geez...I figured asking you all would be quicker and prolly more cost efficient to me.

[DainBramaged]

.iso and .bin uses a different file system to store data on the CD, so the "normal" limitation of 700 MB does not apply. You can easily store something like 780 MB in the .iso/.bin format on a standard 700 MB CD.

[Juggalo15]

Wow, I have never heard of that before and thank you. Now before I try that do I need overburn turned on in nero or just go along with my normal burning?

[CCSDUDE]

Just so you know...

A) You can't burn 'data' discs with the bigger iso/bin/nrg file as the file systems and error checking are different.

B) If you don't wanna waste a disc...go check out Alcohol120 or FantomCD or Nero or hell...grab the best app for the job. Daemon tools...

[Juggalo15]

could you explain a little more, am I able to burn a .iso on a cdr thats above the 700mb limit or not...I seem to be a lil confused.

[g-smooth2k]

I know Alchohol is a DVD* / CD emulation and burning software.
Also Supports the highest number of possible image file types including - MDS, CCD, BIN, CUE, ISO, CDI, BWT, BWI, BWS, BWA & many more...
"It combines CD recording with CD emulation in a way
that hasn't been done before."
I looked up Alchohol and seems to be a shareware app.
I also want to burn an image more than 700MB on a CD-R Disc too.

Alchohol available Here (http://www.alcohol-software.com/)

[Juggalo15]

I guess I forgot to mention the cd that I have backed up can not be played in windows so using a virtual drive just will not do, i need it burnt to a cd.

[g-smooth2k]

Can get Phantom Here (http://fantomcd.copystar.com.tw/enu/)
Fantom CD is a program that reads CDs and runs programs without the original CD by creating virtual CD-ROM drives on the hard disk using software methods.

This emulator allows you to run CD-ROM applications from your hard drive or network server. On your hard drive you can establish and access up to 31 different virtual CD-ROM drives.

What is a "Virtual CD-ROM Drive" ?

A Virtual CD-ROM drive emulates the functionality of the CD-ROM drive on your computer by applying emulation technology. You can use it as if it was a real CD-ROM drive. Tasks performed by a traditional CD-ROM drive can be done by virtual CD-ROM drives. In addition, the virtual CD-ROM drive has many user-friendly functions that are not provided by a normal CD-ROM drive. For example:
A real CD is not required to be inserted when running a program, so you can avoid the inconvenience of carrying a lot of CDs with you when you are working.
Compared to an actual CD-ROM drive, virtual CD-ROM drives are up to 200x faster!

[Juggalo15]

Still Haven't answered my question, though thanks for the ideas....

[CCSDUDE]

Still Haven't answered my question, though thanks for the ideas....
How about you..

1) Insert a blank CDR/RW disc into your CDRW drive...
2) Select 'test' or whatever your program uses to describe a simulated burn....and burn it!

Edit: Obviously you'll be burning in 'image mode' with whatever software you use....

[mrdingaling]

You can get CD-R's that hold around 860MB (or 99 minutes) of data from most retailers like ebuyer.

As has already been mentioned, standard 700MB CD-R's actually hold around 800MB of raw data. For example, if you download an 800MB .MPG file, it's likely a single VCD, and you could use nero to create a VCD on a 700MB CD-R with it.
The same applies to .ISO and .BIN files, so as long as they are under 800MB you should not have problems burning images from them.

[g-smooth2k]

So you can burn 860MB of an ISO image and that is overburn. But I thought that a CD-R holds up to 700MB.
So that means it is ok to burn an image of the 860MB size.

[mrdingaling]

a 700MB CD-R will take an 800MB .ISO.

[Rally99]

ISO's and all the other large image type files will fit when you burn them to disk. They had to come from an original disk that is only normal size so by deduction you should find that those files will fit when you burn them back on to a normal CDR. AVI's and such that are that big won't fit and you need a program like avi chop to split them. Hope this clears it up

[g-smooth2k]

Even a ISO image that is like 800MB will fit on a any CD-R brand right ummm.
using Roxio Easy CD Creator, Record Now, and/or Nero.

:mellow

[fujow]

go here you can get the step by step

http://www.tacktech.com/display.cfm?ttid=253

[DainBramaged]

Okay, here it is.

As has been stated, .iso and .bin files use a different file system and error checking than traditional data burn onto a CD-R. Because of this, a standard 700 MB CD-R can fit a .iso/.bin file upwards of 780 MB in size.

In common internet jargon, a .iso or .bin (among others) is referred to as a "CD image" or "image file." It is called this because it is basically an exact duplicate of a retail CD.

There are several things you can do with these CD images. You can burn them to a CD-R. To do this, choose your recording software and select an option something like "burn image" or "burn image from disk." It will prompt you to browse for the image file--you may have to change the file format--and off you go.

NOTE: You DO NOT need to enable overburn to burn an image file.

There is also software that creates or emulates virtual CD/DVD-ROM drives. Since a .iso/.bin is an exact copy of a CD, you can "insert" these .iso/.bin files into your virtual "drive." This process is called "mounting" an image file. In this way, you don't have to use an actual CD if all you're going to do is install a game, for example.

Lastly, unless you go through the arduous process of properly backing up a retail copy of a game, you will likely need to crack it, usually by replacing the .exe. Because of this, it is wiser to mount the image using drive emulation software, install whatever it is, and then crack it afterwards... not that I am condoning such actions, of course.

Here are some links.

Burning software:

Alcohol 120% -- http://www.alcohol-software.com/
Nero Burning ROM -- http://www.google.com/search?q=nero%20burning%20rom
CDRWIN -- http://www.cdrwin.de/

Drive emulation software:

Alcohol 120% -- http://www.alcohol-software.com/
DAEMON Tools -- http://www.daemon-tools.cc/portal/portal.php

You can also use CloneCD version 4.2 to emulate drives, though you'll have to find this elsewhere.

[Juggalo15]

Alright, just thought I would stop in and thank you all for your help and time. It saved me a lot of annoyance and prolly a couple bucks. heh.

[Canolli]

.iso and .bin uses a different file system to store data on the CD, so the "normal" limitation of 700 MB does not apply. You can easily store something like 780 MB in the .iso/.bin format on a standard 700 MB CD.

:error

Well, I have tried an 803MB ISO with and without overburn and my cd keeps getting barfed out of the drive (Nero asks politely for a disk with more space).

What now?

[fireforce555]

Yesterday I burned an image file that was 690MB, but when I used ISOBuster to open it, it said all the files combined were 1.13 GB?!? And even when I burned the cd, I checked how much data was being held in its folders and again it read 1.13GB. How does THIS happen?

[thongsai]

You can fit on a S/VCD without overburning:
- approx. 735 MB of MPEG data onto a 74min/650MB disc
- approx. 795 MB of MPEG data onto an 80min/700MB disc

You can fit on a CD-ROM without overburning:
- approx. 650 MB of data onto a 74min/650MB disc
- approx. 703 MB of data onto an 80min/700MB disc


The concept of different MODES and FORMS of burning
Now, audio CD was well and good, but the medium would become much more useful if you could store other data on the disc as well. This became to be know as CD-ROM of course.

Now, the audio-CD uses the ENTIRE sector for audio data.

However, for CD-ROMs this caused a problem. Simply, CDs and the CD reading mechanisms were not 100% faultless. That is, errors (indeed frequent errors) could be made during the reading. For audio CDs, this does not matter as much as you could simply interpolate from the adjacent audio samples. This will obviously NOT DO for data CDs. A single bit error could lead to a program being unexecutable or ruin an achive file.

Thus, for CD-ROMs, part of each sector is devoted to error correction codes and error detection codes. The CD-R FAQ has the details, but in effect, only 2048 bytes out of a total of 2352 bytes in each sector is available for user data on a data CD.

This burning mode is either MODE1 or MODE2 Form1.

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MODE2 Form2 sectors of VCDs and SVCDs
Now, for VCDs and SVCDs, the video tracks do not necessarily require the robust error correction as normal data on a CD-ROM. However, there is still some overhead per sector that is used for something other than video data (e.g., sync headers).

S/VCDs video tracks are burnt in what is called MODE2 Form2 sectors. In this mode, only 2324 bytes out of a total of 2352 bytes in each sector is available for user data.

This is MUCH MORE than for CD-ROMs, but still less per sector than audio CD.

[shawners]

have you ever thought that data can be with ziped, compressed. and when it spins.. it widens and shoots out, or use other data parts to duplicate the things left out of the cd-rom.. LIke suppose it has two of the exact images or things needed. it simply left it out, and made a map to find that part for both functions.

[mrdingaling]

To Canoli up there.

Lots of people have trouble getting Nero to overburn, I simply don't use it.
CD Mate give me no hassle at all when overburning.