Time to switch to .ogg

[nny0000]

Since Mp3's are patented and are the target of new DRM tactics, i think we should move to the open souce patent free .ogg format. Any ideas?

[The Hunter]

Not for me, as i dont have a portable .ogg player.

[DainBramaged]

Umm... no. Firstly, .mp3 has been widely adopted as the de facto format. Secondly, DRM will be cracked, so it's not so much of an issue.

[isus]

drm is not used on mp3's.

it's used on wma (most music stores) and aac (iTMS).

[hawkburn]

Umm... no. Firstly, .mp3 has been widely adopted as the de facto format. Secondly, DRM will be cracked, so it's not so much of an issue.

DRM on wma's has been cracked... at least I thought that was in the news a while ago anyway.

[Aaron73153]

I say go to OGG because I always support open-source software.

[Contra]

I recommend switching to APE files.. I did two years ago and have not looked back..

[shawners]

it wouldnt hurt to use .ogg on new networks since riaa is batching fake files, and hashes.. or hosting fake titles in mp3 format. I know its mostly on Kazaa but im sure its on other networks, just not as bad or gets on to othernetworks if no one deletes it from kazaa or shared folders before useing.

[collideous]

Not just yet! As long as MP3 players don't support it, there's no way I'd ever switch.

[origin]

It is all a matter of perception for each of us User(s) in the p2p world. You might decide that the .ogg media file is better than mp3's and should be used more diveresly (traded) amongst more users on popular networks(witch is fine we are intitled to our own opinions right? ;P). Now in my case I do not see no problem with the mp3 file format, it does have it's ups and downs just like most other media formats but still manages to avail. Some things are best left behind the curtain and not put too much in public view because once the wildfire catchs and begins to become popular all of the problems the previous media had it will too! because popularity attracts both poisitive and negative attention so most of the .ogg users should be happy for now and later that most of the heat comes down on mp3 file format. Until the ogg or other more sophisticated formats arise I am a Mp3 man :aim

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[Netaku]

The number of mp3 players that support Ogg Vorbis is steadily increasing.

Shit, I have the 20 gig Rio Karma, and that supports OGG and FLAC. I've had it for a couple of weeks now, and it's great.

[XtraNtnse]

Since it's along the lines of this subject I may as well ask here.. is there a way to rip napster's protected wma's? or do they have to be converted to a different format? if so what program could I use?

[RJ5500]

I'd switch to .mp4 before I'd go to .ogg.

Based on my experience with ripping audio into ultra HQ .ogg and .mp4, .mp4 files take up a third less disk space for the same high quality sound.

[tamarisk]

Ogg's or any other format will become popular when you will be able to convert MP3 to OGG with only minor loss of quality.

Also OGG will become popular when portable mp3 players will also support OGG

[nip]

Back then when MP3s came up, there were no MP3 players available either.

Now if OGG gets more and more attention as music format and we spread the word, there will also be OGG players available.

[Afn]

The number of mp3 players that support Ogg Vorbis is steadily increasing.

Shit, I have the 20 gig Rio Karma, and that supports OGG and FLAC. I've had it for a couple of weeks now, and it's great.


FLAC is the format of the future, mp3 is the VHS of digital music, love it, hate it, mp3 is THE standard for digital music distribution, and will be used for many years to come.

Mp3 plays on almost every machine I own, and that is the sign of a format that will be around for a very long time.

Flac stands for Free Lossless Audio Codec - Flac is at flac.sourceforge.net

[Nothingface5384]

yea wmp9 has been cracke.d..i had the crack for many months but never tried it to see if it really works...as for changing to ogg....will be kinda hard as theirs still a shitload of 128k mp3s lol..buyt it would be nice to see..as for portables supporting ogg...i cant name any ..but i'm sure theres some..i know some mp3 cd players like soulplayer riovolt and iriver have upgradeable firmwire..so if some1 has one of those portable players and noes code..upgrade the firmwire to support ogg .

[muffenme]

:fire

I don't use mp3 or ogg on my pc, me ra v3.0. I wish I could play ra files on my riovolt.

:hole

[wonderboy2005]

ogg is nice but my ipod wont support it. thus, im not going to switch to it. now, Mp4 i could do, but very few people actually have it.

[RJ5500]

It looks like mp3 is going to continue to stay the de'facto standard for digital music for quite a while.

[DainBramaged]

Let me preface this statement by saying that you should use whatever format sounds best to YOU.

In testing, .ogg beats .mp3 by an amount that's worth mentioning in bitrates of 96 kbps and below, which, for some people, is acceptable for their portable music players. Some people simply choose to put less music of slightly higher quality (128 kbps or more) on their players.

In the end, it's up to you.

[Vlet]

I'm really pissed at apple for choosing aac over ogg

[isus]

I'm really pissed at apple for choosing aac over ogg
ok? it would be better for apple to add wma. there are 500 portable wma players. how many support ogg?

[Vlet]

well, if apple had chosen ogg over aac, the ipod would have support for it.

http://www.neurosaudio.com/ plays ogg as well.

[isus]

well, if apple had chosen ogg over aac, the ipod would have support for it.

http://www.neurosaudio.com/ plays ogg as well.
5+ obvious points for you.

the point is, more people use wma than ogg. if this was not true, why would more portable music players support wma than ogg?

be pissed at apple all you want, but if they don't add wma, they certainly won't add ogg.

[DainBramaged]

ok? it would be better for apple to add wma. there are 500 portable wma players. how many support ogg?
Because Apple uses ITMS as a loss leader to help boost sales of iPods. If you could use basically any player to play ITMS songs, Apple would lose [more] money.

[wonderboy2005]

be pissed at apple all you want, but if they don't add wma, they certainly won't add ogg.

thats not necessarily true. it really wouldnt take much for apple to incorperate .ogg since its open source and all. they'd just have to update the firmware with another codec. with WMA, there are licensing issues, and really, what are the odds of apple deciding to incorperate WMA, which will in all likelyhood be the format of MS's music service that is posed to come out within a year or so? it would directly compete with ITMS, and if the ipod supported WMA, then people wouldnt have to choose ITMS to get their legitimate downloaded music. apple most definately wouldnt like that. but with .ogg, there really insnt anything to loose. why not?

[isus]

dainbramaged:
no... itms exists to sell the ipod. the ipod does not exist to sell itms. if ipod worked with every music store available, it would sell more, and therefore help apple.

wonderboy:
the codec apple uses allows wma playback, but apple turns it off. it would be much easier to just turn wma on. apple does not make the codec pack, as i understand it, so apple is not in control of whether ogg gets added or not.

there isn't really anything to lose in a lot of situations, but it doesn't end up happening. ex: ms could make the font of the clock one pt bigger or bold. it would affect no one and perhaps improve the visibility of the clock. but they don't do it.

sure, people will be pissed apple won't allow ogg, but other people are pissed about that bullshit "ipodsdirtysecret.com". both lower ipod sales, but in the end, they aren't going to grab a billion buyers by improving.

[DainBramaged]

I know, isus. That's exactly what I said, I think. A loss leader is something you sell at a loss to bring interest to other products...in Apple's case, the loss leader is ITMS in order to seel iPods.

Maybe I phrased it weird. What I meant to say was that if ANY player could play songs from ITMS, there would be no incentive to buy the iPod, as other players with more/diff features can be had for less money.

I think we're saying the same thing from two different angles ;-)

[MonkeyMadness]

mp3 was widely adopted on computers when it first came out because it was the only game in town that gave good compression, good sound, and was well documented. Now its entrenched, and we have the backward compatibility game... any new player won't succeed unless it supports mp3's... and if it supports mp3's why encode in anything else. Joe Schmoe doesn't care about slight increases in compression efficiency or reproduction accuracy... he needs a big reason to switch. mp3 is here to stay for some time.

[nasrules]

Not for me, as i dont have a portable .ogg player.

Ditto. Bla bla bla it has to be at least 10 characters.

[isus]

I know, isus. That's exactly what I said, I think. A loss leader is something you sell at a loss to bring interest to other products...in Apple's case, the loss leader is ITMS in order to seel iPods.

Maybe I phrased it weird. What I meant to say was that if ANY player could play songs from ITMS, there would be no incentive to buy the iPod, as other players with more/diff features can be had for less money.

I think we're saying the same thing from two different angles ;-)
sorry, maybe i misread... i thought you were trying to say that by introducing wma to ipods, itms will lose money... but hell, even if every windows user walked away from itms, apple still was having no problem keeping itms alive for mac users before itunes for win.

anyway, the fact that more people would be buying an ipod to use with those other services and for their libraries of wma would sell more ipod's then if they added ogg.

[Killawat]

My MP3 player will support Ogg and other formats in addition to it already sporting WMa and MP3. But i doubt i'll be getting crunk with oGG anytime soon. I do use though OGG media, for its ability to save multiple language tracks and subtitles in 1 file.