Overnet 0.52 is great [Archive]

Dark Messenger

January 4th, 2004, 10:30 PM

hi at the request of recalcitrant-X i gave emule a try...after trying it (eMule0.41a10) i then switched out the executable with the one in eMulePlus-1i.Binary...using this setup i got results...then after some more reading..specifically in a 6page thread by hawkburn..my interest and curiousity was peaked in something known as overnet and edonkey(hybrid client).

I've tried this program before (it's been a while) i think i was on cable at the time...and it must've been due to IGNORANCE on my part as I was not able to get it to work well for me.

However..quite sometime later (a year? months) I've tried it again remembering in part the words of Vipp from another forum praising the glorious virtues of the mule/donkey network...so i figured if a billion chinese people eat rice..it must be good...so if so many rabid filesharer's professed its proficiency it must too be worth trying to figure it out again.

So I downloaded Overnet 0.52 (http://download.overnet.com/overnet0.52.exe) and applied 'teh crack' (no link for it)

and got myself and Overnet Pro 0.52 version which seems to put me ahead in all the queues..downloads and uploads start almost instanteneously..connection to the network usually occurs in a few seconds..and i'm on dialup.

I'm able to utilise my FULL Bandwidth..both UP and DOWN (even on dialup) I've seen my upload bandwidth as high as 5.6kb/s when not downloading..this I thought was an unbelieveable feat..but i checked the speeds in DUmeter and it's REALLY that hi.

I'm very impressed with this client.

If you try it here are my tips.

If you use win98 and install the crack (provided you can find it of course...) install it to your plug-ins directory.

When I started the client for the first time with crack in place I got the error message 'Overnet has caused invalid...yadyayadyada in crack.dll'

Just keep closing the error dialogs (should have 6or7 of these if on win98..don't know about ME or higher versions of the Window's os)

Overnet will then open and you will be presented with the option to unlock the pro version...enter ANY username and pass and it will now be registered and give you access to the front of the line..similiar to the way people who paid for this behaviour in SoulSeek get preferencial treatment in queues..now u get it too! only for free and for overnet.

When you do a search...choose items with the most sources (just like in KaZaA..the more sources..the faster the download..overnet multisources very well)

Speed is comparable to Fasttrack with kaZaA for dialup connection..which means if dialup is the best you have..then yes it will be fast for you..particuliarly on music/mp3 downloads.

Download items that are colored black that means they have the most sources..i've found items with as few as 4 sources starting relatively fast for me.

But I recommend sources greater than 70..although 40-50 works..the more the merrier..but since using this client as of yesterday..i've yet to see a download fail to start.

Thank-you, Magic-Genie for all your helpful tips and advise..and before I forget a screenshot (don't laugh..that's fast for dialup)

Dark Messenger

January 4th, 2004, 10:34 PM

hmmm last screenshot didn't go through..let's try it again, shall we?

Dark Messenger

January 4th, 2004, 10:36 PM

p.s. I transferred almost 26mb in an hour and a half...dialup..UPLOAding!

RecalcitrantX

January 4th, 2004, 11:32 PM

Overnet is awesome. I don't even bother with the hybrid client--I use pure Overnet. Overnet sources are of much higher quality than ed2k sources, imo. Frankly I stick with Overnet and dedicate all my upload speed to Overnet as well, since it gives me the most. I've done tests before where I've tried downloading something with eMule and had 300 sources, all of which were horrendously queued. Then I ran Overnet and downloaded the same file. Although I'd find only 150 sources, I'd start downloading from 10 of them almost instantly. I think eMule's credit system along with its many mods which allow for community strings (eg, Italians with "ITA" in their nicknames giving each other queue priority) make it much more difficult to download from eMule. In this sense, I think Overnet's closed source nature may help it from being burdened with mod clients.

Too all skeptics and/or eMule users: give Overnet a try! The quality of the sources and speed with which you'll download will win you over very quickly.

RecalcitrantX

January 4th, 2004, 11:34 PM

One more thing, Dark Messenger. I would only search the network manually as a last resort. It's best to use dedicated link sites, such as www.sharereactor.com.

hawkburn

January 4th, 2004, 11:54 PM

I'm very pleased others are finding out the secrets. I think Overnet is just a better network. I've gotten speeds downloading to 90KBps (max of 150 KBps) but thats amazing considering theres only two other programs that have givin me that speed. My upload is always maxed @ 26, though it somehow allows enough bw when I need it to surf and function.

I don't use the "cracked" version... I used to use the ad version until I saw "Overnet Lite" on Slyck... installed that... it just doesnt have ads... it seems to have been taken down though... and I can't find the site.

RJ5500

January 5th, 2004, 12:19 AM

I have to say that I am truely impressed by just pure Overnet 0.52. Forget eMule/eDonkey/Shareaza. I've been trying Kazaa, WinMX, IRC, and eMule all day for particular large files and none of them could deliver.

Sure, I found the files every now and then, but there were either massive queues or a long chain of "more sources needed"/"Remotely queued".

The speeds I get on overnet are great.

RecalcitrantX

January 5th, 2004, 12:20 AM

A few months ago I just went ahead and registered Overnet. Sure, some will laugh. But for a program that has given me so much and that I have used for so long, I didn't mind paying a few $ to get a lifetime registration.

hawkburn, I'd run a virus scanner on that "Overnet Lite". I think the post got taken down off Sylck because it had a dialer. But I could be wrong...

RJ5500

January 5th, 2004, 12:33 AM

I block some ip ranges in my firewall and it seems to get rid of the ads.

They are the IP ranges Agent Smith include in his "clean" versions of KMD. It seems P2P companies use the same companies for ads.

"The page cannot be displayed" is music to my ears :)

Killawat

January 5th, 2004, 12:45 AM

me and overnet arn't good friends. It was aight on the modem days.

thongsai

January 5th, 2004, 01:11 AM

yea overnet is good. i wish shareaza would connect to it.. how do u guys put it in pure overnet mode?

DainBramaged

January 5th, 2004, 01:17 AM

I would still go with the hybrid. Yes, overnet is great. But if you have the option of opening up ALL those ed2k sources, you might as well do it.

It has come a long way. The addition of the Horde downloading system is, in my opinion, only beneficial. Since the release of .52 (or maybe 1 or 2 vers earlier), you really can't beat hybrid/overnet DL speeds--and thus completion time--unless you have a fuckton of credits stored with eMule.

Kademlia is interesting though. I think it'll go places.

RJ5500

January 5th, 2004, 01:17 AM

yea overnet is good. i wish shareaza would connect to it.. how do u guys put it in pure overnet mode?

Just download the Overnet 0.52 client at

http://download.overnet.com/overnet0.52.exe

and you're set to go (after some configuration, of course).

nickpdx

January 5th, 2004, 06:38 PM

i just recently started using overnet - havent ever used emule/edonkey or anything and i love it! especially with sharereactor, the fastest ive ever seen on it is 140k/sec on 2 750mb .bins from one game, guess i had a good uploader :P right now im uploading at 19k/sec and downloading at 29 which isnt too bad. :)

Kyle06

January 5th, 2004, 07:56 PM

will this work on windows?

nickpdx

January 5th, 2004, 08:30 PM

will this work on windows?
of course :;)

RecalcitrantX

January 5th, 2004, 10:15 PM

I would still go with the hybrid. Yes, overnet is great. But if you have the option of opening up ALL those ed2k sources, you might as well do it.

In theory what you say would make sense, but it just doesn't in practice. I find that ed2k sources are useless for the most part. What usually ends up happening is that 70-90% of your upload bandwidth will be dedicated to eMules, even though 60-80% of your downloading will come from Overnet. IMO, Overnet is only made stronger when you give back to it. Unless you're trying to download a file that has less than ten sources, I wouldn't bother with connecting to ed2k at all. Less overhead, less interaction with clones, less uploading to a network that doesn't give much back.

Rickio

January 5th, 2004, 10:41 PM

shawners

January 5th, 2004, 10:46 PM

Dark Messenger
May I ask what is the point of the crack? Since third party installs can be opted out on the installation configuration.
Just curious and the crack is very easy to find, just not clear why the bother.

peace

You can find it on my street corners, there should be a dark lengthy guy out there called the pusher.. And its good sh!t =)

RJ5500

January 6th, 2004, 12:38 AM

I just use adsubtract and it gets rid of all my ads everywhere. No annoying ads surfing the web or in P2P apps.

DainBramaged

January 6th, 2004, 04:17 AM

In theory what you say would make sense, but it just doesn't in practice. I find that ed2k sources are useless for the most part. What usually ends up happening is that 70-90% of your upload bandwidth will be dedicated to eMules, even though 60-80% of your downloading will come from Overnet. IMO, Overnet is only made stronger when you give back to it. Unless you're trying to download a file that has less than ten sources, I wouldn't bother with connecting to ed2k at all. Less overhead, less interaction with clones, less uploading to a network that doesn't give much back.
Firstly, because having the option of getting a good source from that pool of users is better than not having the option.

Secondly, because P2P is about sharing, so if you can share with that many more people, why not?

It may seem as if you upload to Overnet much more because of the Horde partnering system. This fact does not make normal ed2k users useless in any way.

begoodbebad

January 6th, 2004, 11:02 AM

Dark Messenger
May I ask what is the point of the crack? Since third party installs can be opted out on the installation configuration.
Just curious and the crack is very easy to find, just not clear why the bother.

What exactly does a pro version give you?
peace

The crack just removes the ad banner at the top right of the screen.... some people get excited and believe the "pro" or cracked version will give a better download speed...it doesn't, it is just ad free. Personally I find the ad so unobtrusive that I run the regular versions of edonkey and overnet and still get the great speed of pro :;)
(It seems odd to crack a free prog that lets you opt out of the bundled adware...maybe some people are name phobic or something).

(damn , sorry i hit wrong button and entered my reply in edit mode. sorry. rickio)

zab

January 6th, 2004, 11:08 AM

I'm running the 0.51.2 on linux now... Its interesting because I was downloading a file with aMule and it wasn't going to well - all sources were queued. Then I restarted with overnet and it picked up the same file with 20k/sec. Not Bad!

Just hope the linux client will get updated to 0.52 soon.

Dark Messenger

January 6th, 2004, 12:51 PM

wow this thread has really grown since i last looked at it..thank-you to all who took the time to answer kyle's question and respond to rickio.

Now then to a matter I feel to be very important (to me at least) and please remember this is 'only my opinion' so regard it as such...here it is:

I visited the overnet forums recently..and saw a thread entitled will there be an overnet 0.52.1 or something of that nature?

From reading that thread..i determined that overnet is 'not new'. it's been around for as long as 3 years...so don't let the 0.52 version number fool you into thinking this thing isn't worth using...trust me it is...

I feel like i am moving up another level on the filesharing foodchain...started with kaZaA and now graduating to 'overnet'....let me tell you why it's so great.

There is a file on kazaa that i really like..it's about 2.9megabytes in size..its a rip of a dvd..only its just a small clip..a sample so to speak.

Now this sample isn't fully available on KaZaA in its purest forum...aka 'dvd-rip' 800+mb...however it is available on Overnet/Edokey2000 network.

Let me go furthur...the file is readily available on Overnet...but its' incomplete at 839mb...NO ONE on Overnet has the complete file...80percent completion is the most I saw...however

I logged into an (unnamed server) using Emule tk 1+ and found the missing 20percent of this file...

NOW A PROBLEM...when starting OVERNET for the first time I FAILED to set up the options...simply because i didn't know what to set and why to set it

Here is what I found (thanks to 'MagicGenie'). I should have set in the options to USE 'OLD Style Part files'...this would mean that the partial downloads could then be resumed in another SERVER-BASED client like emule, edonkey, whatever...the problem i have now is I can't preview the partially download files..and even if i get all of the 80percent of the 839mb file I want..i still won't be able to use those peices to actually 'see' the movie or at least as much of it as i can...

i tried opening individually 'pieces' in both virtualdub and mediaplayer..but to no avail..it just won't let me preview the incompletes..

Now here is the workaround for you if you are ever in the same situation..Make sure that under OPTIONs (in OVERNeT) you select to use Old Style part files that way after you get all of the file you can from OVERNET...you can resume any missing segments from the server-based Edonkey2000(hybrid client)

As for previewing 800+ dvd rips..save under the new partial file system..i don't yet have an answer for this...and because this post is getting so long..i'll post some more thoughts in another post. =)

Dark Messenger

January 6th, 2004, 01:02 PM

More reasons why this OVERNET network is 'so great'

It allows for sharing of partially download files...let me reiterate this because most folks get lost on this concept..AND this is the way QUEUES ARE BYPASSED using OVERNET for downloading from the Edonkey network...

Correct me if I'm wrong..but OVERNET uses something called HORDE-DOWNLOADING..what this means is it works like Bittorrent does..in terms of whatever you download (even segments, pieces of a file) INSTANTLY become available to other users...so

If someone or SEVERAL people are downloading a file YOU WANT...you will always find a source for the file..as what they have downloading (however much of it they have finished downloadng already) IS MADE available to you immediately..

also Overnet always RECALCULATES the fastest source for your download so that you are always getting the best speed.

By working similiar to Bittorrent in the way it shares what you've downloaded already with others while you are still in the process of downloading..it practically guarantee's no 'queued' messages....meaning your download will Always start..unless there is no one else downloading exact file you want at the same time (which will be Rare..i've yet to encounter this is 3 days of testing the client)

If no one is downloading the file..then you will be subject to the queuing process..but i've never had it happen to me yet in OVERNET..

Also when you are in a LARGE hub like razorback..you are subject to a lot of things....one is SERVER LOAD..if the server is so busy or too busy..the bandwidth may not be available to you to perform searches properly as all search requests are sent through the hub (ala 'XS').

By taking away the 'overhead' due to not needing a server to perform your searching..find more sources..etcetera..what you are left with is FASTER searching and BETTER results..also it APPEARS that overnet will not return search results for anything that you cannot download.

I'm stopping here for now...feel free to correct me you guru's of the donkey/mule that may know more than me.

I want to say more...there are other reasons it's great..i'm becoming a 'fanboy' now for this client..forgive me.

-DM

Rickio

January 6th, 2004, 09:19 PM

The crack just removes the ad banner at the top right of the screen.... some people get excited and believe the "pro" or cracked version will give a better download speed...it doesn't, it is just ad free. Personally I find the ad so unobtrusive that I run the regular versions of edonkey and overnet and still get the great speed of pro :;)
(It seems odd to crack a free prog that lets you opt out of the bundled adware...maybe some people are name phobic or something).

Yup, just as i thought.
I'm a total fan of the edonkey network and been using emule for quite awhile and friends have bugged me to go to overnet.
Now that emule has kadmelia I think I will try overnet as kadmelia is still a bit buggy and overnet is now going well. I was waiting for overnet to get better and now seems the time.

Actually one can use emule without kadmelia. Kadmelia being emules answer to overnet.

peace

RecalcitrantX

January 6th, 2004, 09:56 PM

Firstly, because having the option of getting a good source from that pool of users is better than not having the option.

Secondly, because P2P is about sharing, so if you can share with that many more people, why not?

It may seem as if you upload to Overnet much more because of the Horde partnering system. This fact does not make normal ed2k users useless in any way.

1) If adding more sources comes at the cost of connecting to a network that, from my experience, will eat all of your upspeed without giving much back...then no, I don't believe it's worth it. It's all about quality of sources and not quanity (unless the file has very few sources and where adding sources may mean the difference between having access to the complete and not having access to it).

2) P2P is about sharing, yes. But it is not about leeching, which is the sensation I have sometimes when I use the hybrid client instead of pure Overnet. Even with horde turned off most upeed will go to eMules and most downspeed will come from Overnet. Again, this is based on my experience, but I really have not observed any increase in performance by connecting to ed2k. I'd even say there is a decrease in performance because, as I said, you'll be interacting with more clones, experiencing more overhead, and trying to download from insanely queued eMules who will never give anything back because you either you don't have credits or cannot get to the top of their queue because its a mod client in a community string.

RJ5500

January 6th, 2004, 10:16 PM

1) If adding more sources comes at the cost of connecting to a network that, from my experience, will eat all of your upspeed without giving much back...then no, I don't believe it's worth it. It's all about quality of sources and not quanity (unless the file has very few sources and where adding sources may mean the difference between having access to the complete and not having access to it).

2) P2P is about sharing, yes. But it is not about leeching, which is the sensation I have sometimes when I use the hybrid client instead of pure Overnet. Even with horde turned off most upeed will go to eMules and most downspeed will come from Overnet. Again, this is based on my experience, but I really have not observed any increase in performance by connecting to ed2k. I'd even say there is a decrease in performance because, as I said, you'll be interacting with more clones, experiencing more overhead, and trying to download from insanely queued eMules who will never give anything back because you either you don't have credits or cannot get to the top of their queue because its a mod client in a community string.

Well said. I feel the same way about eMule & eDonkey. Some of those queues are insane. Even on Overnet, the Donkey seems to spill over. A lot of the time, it seems I am downloading slower than I am uploading. I constantly see eDonkey and eMule 'bots' downloading from me.

It must be heck for everyone. For example, I once had 11kbps max upload speed and 7 people downloading something. On average, they got a bit over 1kbps from me. I'd have to say Overnet's bandwidth throttling system is quite lax.

You don't even have to use all of your upstream to get the best download speed Overnet can give you. Just a fraction.

RecalcitrantX

January 6th, 2004, 10:17 PM

By taking away the 'overhead' due to not needing a server to perform your searching..find more sources..etcetera..what you are left with is FASTER searching and BETTER results..also it APPEARS that overnet will not return search results for anything that you cannot download.

I'm stopping here for now...feel free to correct me you guru's of the donkey/mule that may know more than me.

I want to say more...there are other reasons it's great..i'm becoming a 'fanboy' now for this client..forgive me.

-DM

DM, there is a lot more overhead with Overnet precisely because it is decentralized. Everyone on the network is responsible for indexing files, whereas with ed2k the servers do that work.

Here is a brief description of how Overnet works: Every user (called a "node") connected to Overnet is equal (unlike, say, Gnutella, which has leafs, peers, ultrapeers, etc). Each "node" has a unique hash. You, as a node, have a list of contacts which have hashes *very* close to yours. You are simply aware of each other's existence. Now, every file and every imaginable word also has a hash. When you connect to Overnet you "publish" your files. Let's say you were to publish "Dark Messenger.mp3". You would send a message to the contact in your list whose hash most closely matched the hash of the file, basically saying "Hey. I have this file "Dark Messenger.mp3" and this is my IP address". Then that person would send the very same message to the node in his or her contact list whose hash most closely matched the mp3, and so on...until, finally, it hits the node who has a hash that most closely matches the mp3 (over the entire network). This person is the one responsible for indexing "Dark Messenger.mp3". So anyone else who also has "Dark Messenger.mp3" (the same exact file) would also publish that to the very same node. This node will send back a complete list of sources for "Dark Messenger.mp3" to anyone who queuries it. Now, when you publish the file you also send a similar message to the node responsible for indexing "Dark", the person indexing "Messenger" and the person indexing "mp3", since your mp3 would also match the search criteria of such words. Files are published every four hours, so if you exit Overnet then the sources you published will eventually disappear since you won't be republishing them once you're disconnected.

As the overnet.com says, Overnet is like a giant virtual filing cabinet. Every user on the network is responsible for indexing files and sending back results for search queuries. The overhead you will experience will be much larger than ed2k, and it will vary greatly depending on what word(s) you end up indexing. Some nodes will experience insane overhead (eg, the nodes responsible for indexing "sex" or "mp3" probably have a TON of overhead). If you ever find yourself experiencing lots of overhead it's always a good idea to reinstall Overnet and try to get a different hash, hopefully one that will index much more obscure words.

MarkB

January 7th, 2004, 03:27 AM

I used to use the ad version until I saw "Overnet Lite" on Slyck... installed that... it just doesnt have ads... it seems to have been taken down though... and I can't find the site.
You can find the guy who created Overnet Lite (and eDoney2000 Lite) at the KL Board:
http://klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showforum=57

PirateCy

January 7th, 2004, 07:04 AM

grab_grab_the_haddock

January 11th, 2004, 09:49 AM

Foreverboard

January 11th, 2004, 10:32 AM

I couldnt get this colossal piece of crapware off my system fast enough, it crashed my PC, but not before it corrupted all my emule incompletes. it also uses a huge amount of resources and the GUI is horrible.

i have never had it crash my system and I have been useing it since it started. The GUI is not pritty but who cares what it looks like. I get tons of stuff, about 15-20gigs ever few days, and just as fast as 90% of the other programs. And I have hardly ever got the wrong file. Dont know if I am jsut lucky but the other 1,376,256 people that are on right now dont seem to be having problems. =) =)

BTW hey grab_grab_the_haddock :tilted

Dark Messenger

January 11th, 2004, 10:47 AM

I couldnt get this colossal piece of crapware off my system fast enough, it crashed my PC, but not before it corrupted all my emule incompletes. it also uses a huge amount of resources and the GUI is horrible.

grab-grab, sorry to hear you had a less than pleasant experience with this program...this interests me

when you said:

it corrupted all my emule incompletes
what exactly did it do to them? and are you certain they are corrupt? what makes you believe so?

as for crashing your pc..i can believe that..i get crash errors like this one:

http://napsterite.org/dotorg/crash1.jpg

when starting the program on windows 98 machine...seems to be related to the crack from the error message...however edonkey2000 0.52 has no such crash errors using the same dll file.

not doubting ya...just trying to learn is all.

-DM

DainBramaged

January 11th, 2004, 11:27 AM

Despite the inherent FANBOY-ness in this thread, some points have been raised and I will discuss them.

1. It's still better to have the option of getting a good source using ed2k. Few people on the ed2k network leech. As well, just because you are not personally downloading from them does not mean that other overnet users are not utilizing traditional ed2k sources.

2. Yes, the Horde bypasses queues. The Horde is not active for all downloads, however. You only get partners for the file with the highest DL priority, and, occasionally, one more. In these cases, Overnet assigns you and your partners different chunks of the file at different times, enabling the Horde to consistently transfer new parts of the file to each other, and, in the end, complete the file.

In the event that the Horde does not have all parts of the file, you and your partners ask other clients and communicate back to each other. It is a successful venture.

3. Just share, regardless of whom you are sharing to. No one appreciates leechers, but in this network, there are very few. If everyone holds the attitude that they will not share because others don't, the community will go nowhere. By the same token, if a population with a reputation for leeching (for some reason, eMule in this case) is cut off, that community won't advance either.

The effort to "just keep sharing" is a good one and should not be neglected. The more people who don't share, the more people who will not WANT to share because "many other people don't." You have an influence on other P2Pers. Make it the right one.

RecalcitrantX

January 11th, 2004, 11:47 AM

Empire

January 11th, 2004, 02:11 PM

Just out of curiosity, if the Overnet is so great why are developers keeping it in Beta Test (version 0.52) and it's NEVER been released as a real release?

Rickio

January 11th, 2004, 03:01 PM

grab-grab, sorry to hear you had a less than pleasant experience with this program...this interests me

when you said:

what exactly did it do to them? and are you certain they are corrupt? what makes you believe so?

as for crashing your pc..i can believe that..i get crash errors like this one:

http://napsterite.org/dotorg/crash1.jpg

when starting the program on windows 98 machine...seems to be related to the crack from the error message...however edonkey2000 0.52 has no such crash errors using the same dll file.

not doubting ya...just trying to learn is all.

-DM

Your crash appears to be related to the crack you installed. Perhaps a normal install would work?

DainBramaged

January 11th, 2004, 03:03 PM

DainBramaged, no one is speaking out against sharing. The issue here is how to best allocate one's upload speed. Using your line of thought everyone should just install mldonkey and make sure they're sharing on each and every network at this very moment rather than concentrating on his or her preferred network (the one which gives the most back to him or her). It is not unreasonable to refrain from connecting to a network which, for the most part, seems to take a lot but not give back much (community strings & the credit system being the big culprits). In P2P we have to pick and choose and decide what is best for ourselves; connecting to another network is not valuable in an of itself, especially if doing so hampers your ability to support your most favoured network.
I concede.

I am all for supporting a network that you feel is a good one. I guess my point was that if you are going to use the hybrid client, don't just connect to Overnet. In that case, use Overnet.

I still think the arguments against eMule are largely unsubstantiated. Until about a month ago, I used eMule Plus almost exclusively. My downloads did not start as quickly as with Overnet, but they were pretty quick just the same (no community string). As well, speeds were fast, considering. Maybe I'm just lucky.

Lastly, I guess I just don't see why it's such a big deal. But we are making a big stink of it, no? ;-)