Going over to payed service... [Archive]

d-koolest

January 2nd, 2004, 11:57 PM

I never thought i'd see the day, but today I found myself looking at a site called Club Mp3 Search (http://club.mp3search.ru/) which offers songs for about 3 cents and full albums for around 70. When I saw how easy the pay system was (just put down some money with paypal and buy whatever you want with it) I was sold.

So what does everybody else think of it? Assuming these Russian sites aren't somehow shut down, will you go for one?

DudeAsInCool

January 3rd, 2004, 12:11 AM

songs for about 3 cents and full albums for around 70.

I'm in at that price :)

RJ5500

January 3rd, 2004, 12:35 AM

There's still a lot of good free stuff out there. I agree that 3 cents a song and 70 cents an albums is a great price though.

I am a member of allofmp3 and it's cool.

MoonMan

January 3rd, 2004, 03:47 AM

MusikBeatz23

January 3rd, 2004, 04:53 AM

All I have to say is, good luck with your "PAID" service.

shawners

January 3rd, 2004, 05:40 AM

use www.allofmp3.com ITS .01 cent a MEGABYTE, and its encoded the way you like it.. And upload albums as payments, new albums are added daily too!

RACKnRAIL

January 3rd, 2004, 07:19 AM

I only use mp3's for research purposes. Why would I pay to do research? I do think 3 cents is reasonable though.

SuitablyTwisted

January 3rd, 2004, 09:29 AM

I'm with Shawners. I've gotten exactly what I want from allofmp3.com. Great layout, best selection, no queues, high bitrate. Entire albums downloaded & ready to burn without the hassle of tracks being from different sources. Lack of hassle is worth the price.

Pebbles100

January 3rd, 2004, 11:00 AM

I wouldn't pay for music either...I feel that I don't need to because I find everything I want, (and then some), on most p2p programs. Maybe if the 'well' runs dry, I'll think about switching, but until then...NO! :)

fireforce555

January 3rd, 2004, 11:52 AM

allofmp3.com is REALLY only 1 CENT per MB?!?! HOLY SHIT! Now I feel ripped off for my .88 cent download at walmart LOL.

Killawat

January 3rd, 2004, 12:35 PM

i'll stick with the free way

d-koolest

January 3rd, 2004, 12:37 PM

You can get them in any format you want, even ogg i think.

Shawners, what do you mean "upload albums as payment"? Where can I do that?

Kevin33134

January 3rd, 2004, 01:04 PM

You have to realize that even though you pay for the MP3s on these Russian sites, it doesn't make it legal in the U.S. These services would go down in a second if they were U.S. based because, in fact, the MP3s you are downloading are no more legal than the ones you'll find on standard P2P networks.

fireforce555

January 3rd, 2004, 01:11 PM

You can get them in any format you want, even ogg i think.

Shawners, what do you mean "upload albums as payment"? Where can I do that?

And this is LEGAL? How the hell? LOL They sell us albums in the US for 15-20 dollars and you can LEGALLY buy them in russia for less than 1.50!?!?!

shawners

January 3rd, 2004, 01:13 PM

Look under the section all topics at this link
http://stat.allofmp3.com/wanted.shtml

And download DMCUDIo ripper, the ripper gets it to wav format.. the MP3 uploader will encode it, and then after its done, you click upload and it uploads it. If you see an album at 128byte rate, you can upload that album as well in a high format, they will delete the 128kbs.. Also If you dont see any albums listed and you have it. Upload it! =)

its legal in russia, they sale russian albums as well there. And RIAA is going after FILE SHARERS, not FILE DOWNLOADERs.. and in canada they also said you can download.. just not upload. SAME here.. if im downloading theres nothing they can do about it.. THe fact i upload an album to a secure server which they cant connect to or know whos connected to it, or even search of what people are doing.. YOU CAN HAVE THE FILE downloaded IN .DOC.. .TXt. .zip format or renamed to hide what your downloading!!!

d-koolest

January 3rd, 2004, 01:14 PM

With p2p the blame is on the user. If the site goes down I doubt it would be possible to fault the people downloading from it, just the site itself.

Kevin33134

January 3rd, 2004, 01:51 PM

its legal in russia, they sale russian albums as well there
Good thing it's legal in Russia. Do you live in Russia?

RJ5500

January 3rd, 2004, 01:56 PM

fireforce555

January 3rd, 2004, 02:25 PM

I never said I cared about the "legality" of allofmp3.

In the RIAA's eyes, downloading any music anywhere and not giving them a cut is illegal.

I like the convenience of allofmp3. I hate slow downloads, poor quality files, and sometimes bad selection on P2P services.

Thats what interested me. I like the idea of VERY high quality files and a VERY cheap price. No downloading 10 copies to get an "okay" quality copy or maybe 30 files to get a "high" quality 128 song.

DudeAsInCool

January 3rd, 2004, 02:26 PM

Just because you can PAY that much, surely does not mean that what you want will actually be available... or even available at the quality you are looking for.. or even the format you are looking for!

I agree that the choices and formats will probably be limited--I checked the site and didnt see much stuff I'd be interested in--but at least they are starting with reasonable proces.

Wolfie

January 3rd, 2004, 05:19 PM

Even if they are illegal (in the eyes of the RIAA) the website is uploading copyrighted files not users. So as long a the users are not sharing what they dl on other p2p networks they can't get into trouble with law. The ppl that can get in trouble are the ones running the website which as Kevin pointed they are not as vulnearble as the US based sites.

Btw, any knows how the payment process is done? Do have to give direct creditcard info to the site or you can use an intermediary like paypal?

ccc1005

January 3rd, 2004, 05:23 PM

What do they use to encode MP3s at 384 Kbps!?!? I've never seen anything over 320.

ccc1005

January 3rd, 2004, 05:38 PM

No downloading 10 copies to get an "okay" quality copy or maybe 30 files to get a "high" quality 128 song.
Ya im kind of confused by that one too.

What program are u using?

RJ5500

January 3rd, 2004, 06:24 PM

Thats what interested me. I like the idea of VERY high quality files and a VERY cheap price. No downloading 10 copies to get an "okay" quality copy or maybe 30 files to get a "high" quality 128 song.

lol. You must be using Kazaa.
:hole

d-koolest

January 3rd, 2004, 06:45 PM

AllofMP3 is coming out with paypal payment in a week+ in addition to credit cards. Plus they let you choose between file types and have quality from 128 up to rediculously high.

fireforce555

January 3rd, 2004, 07:01 PM

I use kazaa for most of my stuff, for some reason ares and shareaza are VERY slow for most things. I only use them if kazaa turns up nothing but fake files.

If I know a song I want to have I would rather drop a nickel and have a VERY high quality file than take 3 hours sorting out kazaa or who knows how long for shareaza and ares. I have avoided pay sites for many reasons(they cost to much, and DRM files), but for stuff I really want a good quality copy of, I think a few pennies are a hell of a deal :)

shawners

January 3rd, 2004, 08:21 PM

They are using LAME that encodes it, the uploader encodes it to 384 kbs where there is no sound loss.. the files i upload ar around 10 megs-14megs.. 80's rock or songs around the three minute and four minute range. And im not russian, but... only indians and mexicans are the true americans since they were here before us :P~

RJ5500

January 3rd, 2004, 08:54 PM

isus

January 3rd, 2004, 10:36 PM

What do they use to encode MP3s at 384 Kbps!?!? I've never seen anything over 320.
it's possible, but why bother? you would have to re-encode it to work on any mp3 player i have seen, as the decoder on them only supports 32kbps to 320kbps.

ducttapeBigSexy

January 3rd, 2004, 10:36 PM

Kevin33134

January 3rd, 2004, 10:39 PM

only indians and mexicans are the true americans since they were here before us :P~
You mean Native Americans? :green

Also Mexicans came from Spain. (That's why they speak Spanish)

CTC Command

January 3rd, 2004, 11:24 PM

But, these sites aren't helping anyone except the people running the sites. I mean, sure, you run less risk of being caught by the RIAA, but either way you look at it, artists are still being screwed. I'd say just stick to p2p - if you really want to go to a paid service, use iTunes or Napster 2.0. Sure, the RIAA will get most of the money, but more money will be reaching the artists that way then if you use one of these sites. And, pay pal or whatever - I wouldn't trust my credit card anywhere near these sites....

I actually have surfed allofmp3 a couple of times, because they have mp3's of stuff long out of print here in the US that I have been unable to find anywhere else, or rare stuff that never made it over here in the first place. And the price is damn cheap; since I actually do buy a small, select # of CD's in the course of year, from artists I wish to support and whose work is always of consistent and superior quality, paying for a GOOD download once in a while wouldn't be too too terrible. And I can agree with the "artists are still being screwed" argument to a point, except with the old and out of print stuff. If I could find, for example, old Love Sculpture or Seastones or Mark Stewart in the local CD store, I'd get them; but they are so out of print there's no hope. I really have considered paying 3¢ for some of these old songs...The problem I have always had is sending my credit card # to Russia. Just can't do it. I took a class a couple of years ago, about Russia since the the fall of the USSR--it's not a reliable place to go sending vital financial information to--about as safe as leaving my Visa card on a subway train. Go read the book "Comrade Criminal: Russia's New Mafiya" by Stephen Handelman and see for yourself. Maybe if they used paypal, but even then I would be worried that somehow they were hacking into it and getting my real info...

fireforce555

January 4th, 2004, 01:06 PM

I am gonna use a visa gift card if I use allofmp3 and use a fake name. This way even if someone hacks it or someone corrupt on the inside gets the data(which is doubtful) I at worst loose less than 5.00 off what left on the gift card and no credit data loss. :)

icarus

January 4th, 2004, 01:57 PM

What's a VISA gift card? I don't think we have them in UK

shawners

January 4th, 2004, 02:03 PM

None of the music i uploaded was requested, The take any music, Soundtrack, games sound score, instrumental. Doesnt matter, upload it, and thats how they get so big in files and movies. It said when it was decoding some systems may have problems playing it.. But its all good =).. Did i mention you can download VIDEOS too =)

Afn

January 4th, 2004, 02:44 PM

Never Make a Deal With The Devil.

Malicious Intent

January 4th, 2004, 04:44 PM

The only music I will have on my PC is music I got for free!
I listened to the radio before i started using p2p and I would rather go back to that than use a pay service!

dock0184

January 4th, 2004, 05:10 PM

speaking of native americans, the reservations are probably be the only places in america where you could share music w/out fear of getting caught, because US laws don't apply there. Maybe I'll grab my bags and move down there :)

shawners

January 4th, 2004, 07:37 PM

The only music I will have on my PC is music I got for free!
I listened to the radio before i started using p2p and I would rather go back to that than use a pay service!

The music i got from them is free.. I uploaded an album i already had possession of.. I have tons of Cd's.. I only payed once to see how the service was and compares.. Got my rare fix of 192kbs with no queues, no waits.. INto this day im still waiting on a zip file off of shareaza.. its a 80 meg file, i got 86 percent of it, and the queues, the pending, the inactive of the file is driving me mad.

shawners

January 4th, 2004, 08:06 PM

I always love cutting and pasteing =) Ill make it my last paste for the night.. I download the explorer manager off of the websight and heres the speeds i get, and the files are complete, id3 tags complete, named in Track, song name, and into artist/album folder. Oh yeah =) Its good to have it in great organized way so i can began sharing immediately with others. Otherwise i have to spend 15 minutes organizing them... If you download files from other sources with same filename,, the will rename themselfs with a number behind them...

fireforce555

January 4th, 2004, 09:55 PM

What's a VISA gift card? I don't think we have them in UK

It works as a type of debit card, you prepay a certain amount and its placed on the card and you can use it anywhere visa is accepted pretty much. But yeah I dont know if its offered in other countries at all :(

whome

February 2nd, 2004, 04:12 AM

If you want quality albums why don't you just join one of the good DC hubs? (I can't say ubernet enough times)

d-koolest

February 2nd, 2004, 06:11 AM

i was on Ubernet at the beginning, but they require you to have new albums to share, which i dont because I haven't bought one in years. And the requirements kept getting harder and harder...

Ken17625

February 2nd, 2004, 06:17 AM

That's right.

You're actually paying some Russian guy, to commit copyright infringement.

I mean, why not just do that yourself, for free!

d-koolest

February 2nd, 2004, 06:31 AM

Much more convenient, and much less risk of being sued. You can see all the stuff the artist has done, then choose the format & quality! It takes forever to find a few full albums in, say, 384 quality on normal p2p. Plus my dad's gotten all freaked out about being sued...

Star Guitar

February 2nd, 2004, 08:42 AM

I don't think its much of a concern one way or the other. The files are going to propogate on other services, provided users share them, which some most certainly will. Eventually we all win. I'm still iffy about paying, but I give some props to those who take the chance.

shawners

February 7th, 2004, 11:37 AM

Hate to sound like a broken record here.. But you dont have to pay anything.. YOu do a search for artist or cd's you have on their websight.. Say i have bon jovi album thats a import, if they dont have it. I upload it, and receive credit. So all the music i got was from me sharing my files in high quality format to other users around the world. So we all benifit, its a secure network, your not sharing or sharing hard drives where people can scan your computer to file a copyright suit against you. Download an album really fast, named properly at 192kbs.. for 70 cents. Everyone in the world complains about if cd prices are affordable that they would buy them. So whats the difference here? Plus you can upload instead of useing yoru credit card. Very effective way to share, no long queues, or no sources for download like i get with shareaza and ares.

RACKnRAIL

February 7th, 2004, 12:14 PM

[QUOTE=shawners]Download an album really fast, named properly at 192kbs.. for 70 cents. Everyone in the world complains about if cd prices are affordable that they would buy them. So whats the difference here?QUOTE]

You're right there is no difference, but myself, I've just become to use to paying $0. for my downloads...including most, if not all software. Does that make me a criminal?

It's more the fact that they had the chance to do it right, but NO, they were greedy bastards and wanted $20 a CD from adults and/or school kids alike. They are the true criminals! I often wondered how much the actual artist saw of that $20.??

shawners

February 7th, 2004, 02:00 PM

they probably saw a good portion of it, since i dont see them living on the streets or struggling to make rent, or fileing for bankruptcy(besides TLC). I have no problem paying for good music, for two reasons. I Like them to be higher on the charts then these stupid artist we have today, and that i like them to go platinum so they can get higher paying contract next time or make their own label up.

kiwibank

February 7th, 2004, 02:03 PM

grammy.ru....free!!!!

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RACKnRAIL

February 7th, 2004, 02:46 PM

grammy.ru....free!!!!

on zeropaid, it pays to be "flame resistant". it`s a matter of survival.

Yeah...too many flamer's...LOL!

whome

March 25th, 2004, 01:38 PM

I have been using allofmp3.com and their service is great, but it seems like http://club.mp3search.ru/ have a greater variaty and newer music (like the new cds from janet jackson and eminem).

IshareManyFilez

March 25th, 2004, 02:27 PM

Tear the mouse out of my dead hand, smash my monitor with a baseball bat, and run over my PC and I still won't pay.

Mullyman

March 25th, 2004, 02:33 PM

Why should we pay for it...leave us alone to enjoy our music and go after the damn spammers instead :goodjob

Carrie

March 27th, 2004, 07:09 AM

hmmm thats a toughy....I am going to have to say....Ill get it for free until I get busted. Then I'll pump hundreds of $$ into Pepsi, and If I win, download free songs legally, and then show up in a RIAA commercial and tell my story.....then Ill go to a pay site.

shawners

April 11th, 2004, 03:11 PM

continue to complain about how high cd prices are all you want then.. cause 70 cents seem to high for alot of you..

Cydor

April 11th, 2004, 03:17 PM

when they outlaw all the P2P programs!

Mels_Smileys45

April 11th, 2004, 03:52 PM

well since their jacking up the prices of online music, I would have to say keep on ripping them off. Its strange, the online services have been a huge success so they feeel they can over charge online too. These people suck balls

Ken17625

April 11th, 2004, 05:01 PM

Also Mexicans came from Spain. (That's why they speak Spanish)

Mexicans are a mix of native and spaniards, and lets remember that the number of spaniards that arrived there were only in the hundreds.

Mexico wasn't "colonized" like you're thinking.

Also, the majority of the population of Mexico today speaks native languages such as Mayan, or some other, along with simplistic spanish, in order to communicate with the government, etc....

It's a mix bag, from a broken culture, all from the conquest days.