THIS is the most number 1 reason why pay services are aweful.

[shawners]

It has come to my understanding as a guy on here posted about not playing roxio or any of the music files when he got a new hard drive. You pay for it, but if you get a new pc, and your hard drive crashes.. KISS YOur music you buy.. regardless of the fact you pay the subscribtion, the fact you pay to download the song individually.. Your time, your money.. Read more hear, this is a good websight as well.

http://www.riaaamnesty.com/riaa_violations.htm

[Wolfie]

Even if your harddrive does not crash, the occasional format is needed once in while.

[The Hunter]

Exactly the reason they make burners.

[mojo-ris-in]

That's why if I purchase something I want to be able to burn it or drop it on the mp3 player as many times as I need to. As long as the services limit me from doing that, I will never completely jump on board irregardless of the price. I feel if I pay for it it's mine pure and simple.

[Wolfie]

True, but your burning option might be also limited if there is DRM involved.

[mojo-ris-in]

True, but your burning option might be also limited if there is DRM involved.

Heh just another good reason for not subscribing to these services.

[The Hunter]

Exactly why i will avoid it at all costs, although the line out to a recorder will probably be an option. Although why anyone would pay for a downloaded song you couldnt burn is beyond me.

[Rickio]

There is software like total recorder which records whatever your soundcard is playing and optionaly encodes it to mp3. I have seen perhaps 5 or 6 different such apps. So as long as you can play the file once, you can record it, keep it and burn it.

peace

[shawners]

Alot of these people that buy music online isnt tech savvy, or want to steal. Or know for that matter that people will have hard drive problems and will come to this point where the time, effort, money spent went somewhere else. Even if they are looking to buy a new pc, it will effect them. Drm will limit what you burn, and if you can copy it. You could copy it from the soundcard but if your hard drive goes out before you make a backup.

[The Hunter]

Well then its our job to teach them how to teach them how.

[fireforce555]

I know Windows Media DRM has the option for you to back up your licenses incase you need to restore or move to a new machine. I dont know about any of the other formats. I would have assumed that they all allowed such functionality.

[mojo-ris-in]

There is software like total recorder which records whatever your soundcard is playing and optionaly encodes it to mp3. I have seen perhaps 5 or 6 different such apps. So as long as you can play the file once, you can record is and keep it and burn it.

peace

Yeah Rick I have Total Recorder which I used to archive my radio shows and it works pretty good but I just feel if I buy it I shouldn't have to go to all that trouble. I dunno maybe I'm just being lazy... :error

[Wolfie]

Yeah Rick I have Total Recorder which I used to archive my radio shows and it works pretty good but I just feel if I buy it I shouldn't have to go to all that trouble. I dunno maybe I'm just being lazy... :error

Me too, lol.

If at some point I don't have any other choice then I guess I might consider doing it the hard way. ;)

[Rickio]

Actually I find so much music freely, I cannot imagine needing or wanting to backup some drm music.

For newbies that lose access to bought music, I suppose that's the way of the world. Find a way to exploit a persons lack of knowledge and them have them pay for it. Sad but that's the way the world works and if they come here they might not be newbies for to long and that's good. :-)

As I say I cannot imagine paying for some drm music, but if I did. I'd back it up and since I don't buy that much it wouldn't feel like that much of a hassle.

peace

[ducttapeBigSexy]

Actually, the licenses of DRM files downloaded from pay services such as Napster 2.0 can't be backed up. If you reinstall your computer, even if you don't change of the hardware, it acts as though it's a new computer and uses another license.

[eclectica]

Here are a couple of good reads on why pay-to-play is a bad deal:
http://www.downhillbattle.org/itunes/
http://dionysians.org/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=207

[Rickio]

Actually, the licenses of DRM files downloaded from pay services such as Napster 2.0 can't be backed up. If you reinstall your computer, even if you don't change of the hardware, it acts as though it's a new computer and uses another license.

They can, as you read wolfie and mojo just didn't want the extra hassle. They know how to do it and others do as well. But I don't think we will discuss how it will be done here. I am sure anyone who really needs to know could do some research.

The other idea is anyone who knows how, probably won't need to as they also know where to get the music free.

oh we are not talking backing up licenses. We meant backing up the actual music.

peace

[isus]

if i can't back up my songs, i'll never pay.

but to be quite honest, many services, you can burn to a cd. which means you can re-rip without protection...

sure, it'll take you the time to burn an audio cd, then rip the audio cd, and of course there will be some quality loss, but you can't ask for much.

[Pebbles100]

Actually I find so much music freely, I cannot imagine needing or wanting to backup some drm music.

Ain't that the truth. Sometimes I have so much music downloaded, I don't have enought time to listen to it all...life gets so stressful at times :)

[shawners]

I have two gigs left before my hard drive is full up. I heard that music itself wont last long on some of the CD-r's we use, as well as fitting enough music on a CD. I can fit 140 songs max at 192 abr byte rate.. Rather then later its a hassle to find the songs on the CD-r, unless you have entire albums on their, rather then mix of mp3's. And reputting them on your hard drive to make a cd is also a hassle.

[Rickio]

Mpeg audio collection aka MAC http://j-faul.virtualave.net/
is a good way to keep track of your media collection on cd's.

Also make a backup of each cd you burn and you should be set for as long as cd's are used.

Yeah maybe it's a hassle but such is life ;-p

Cd's will last a long time and there are apps to help you as well, such as CD Check

http://elpros.si/CDCheck is a app to check if a cd is going bad as well as recover data on it, also isobuster can recover it. So you can save a cd before it's actually gone for good.

peace

[SimbaK2K]

Youve got to be kidding about napster? surely. I know WMP offers licensing backups no problem, and you must use em if you use WMA protected content! But not having em isnt an option. Everyone needs to format, reinstall, change hardware at some point. So I find this really hard to believe.

[shawners]

what im wondering if they disclose all this information when or before you sign up that you can only install and download these files on this pc or hard drive and their is no way to do it for other machines if this one fails. Its like hitting you one day with a semi-truck.. You never expect it, but when it happens your left in the street seeing a white light.

[Wolfie]

Even if it is disclosed I'm willing bet the font size used would be considerably smaller than thier main selling pitch. It could also be somewhere in licensing agreement which most ppl don't bother to read before they click 'ok'.

[d3ft0n3s]

or, ya know, you could make a 10 gig partition just for music liek i did so when you go to format you dont lose your music.

[isus]

or, ya know, you could make a 10 gig partition just for music liek i did so when you go to format you dont lose your music.
yea, partitioning a big drive is the best way to get shiat done. krell made a good guide as to what your partitions should be, but i'm much too lazy to go looking for it.