Is Buying CD's Supporting The RIAA?

[CORRUPTERBUSTER]

I just got done reading some of your relies to my post about buying CD’s and how much I support the RIAA and all the mumbo-jumbo talk of me being connected with these fellows in anyway. To all the ones that replied in that matter, (Middle Finger Up)

Why, that is a good question and I am going to give it to you. I have a pretty big Library of music, and I am always searching for songs all the time. I like to collect music from performers, but I want all of their music. Everything they ever made or put out on album. Like lets take Chicago, you put their name up and you are luck if you get 1\4 of what albums they put out. So while shopping at Best Buy, I came across their box set, I paid $59.00 for it, but that was cool with me.

Have you ever tried looking for Gordon Lightfoot’s Albums? That is like looking for a needle in a hay stack, So I got on the internet and wanted to find out what albums he had. And I came across his box set Gordon Lightfoot Songbook. I had to order that one and it took about a week to get here. What was the first thing that I did? I ripped them and now anyone can get those two performers and all there hits.

Lets talk about Tom Petty, I came across his own box set along with the Eagles box set, well, needless to say, I bought them too, mainly because they had songs on them that I never heard off. Got them home, ripped them and now they too are available for anyone.

Now, I might be buying these CD’s, that much is true, but after hours and hours in front of my computer searching for music like this, it is great to find what I have been looking for. The greatest high I get is knowing that at one point someone is going to want a song, and if it is there on the site for them to download, buying those CD’s were worth it.

Most of you guys might not agree with me, but buying things like that isn’t to support the RIAA, I buy those CD’s to support people like you.

Marry Christmas
Robert

[hawkburn]

I agree with you. For every pirated MP3/Album on the Internet, SOMEONE had to buy it and put it there, that, or they stole it from the store.

I say, if it's not top 40, then buy what you want. Those top 40 songs are what kazaa and them are made of, not old stuff. So do what you want... like 100'000 peoples (ZP Population) opinions matter, right? :p

[Wolfie]

All of of us will buy a few cds and dvds for one reason or another. The important thing is make sure they make it in the p2p share pool so others won't have to support the riaa and mpaa by buying them. If one person buys a CD and 100 ppl download it for free that still is drepriving the riaa of 99 ppl which would have potentially paid full price for that cd.
As for personal compensation, i am sure all us have downloaded a cd from which someone else had bought. So by occasionally buying a cd or two one is not supporting riaa but providing more vareity within p2p sources.

[CORRUPTERBUSTER]

I agree with you. For every pirated MP3/Album on the Internet, SOMEONE had to buy it and put it there, that, or they stole it from the store.

I say, if it's not top 40, then buy what you want. Those top 40 songs are what kazaa and them are made of, not old stuff. So do what you want... like 100'000 peoples (ZP Population) opinions matter, right? :p

In some ways yes people of this site do matter, because no matter how you and I might look at it there is always going to be someone that is going to stick a needle under your finger nail.

If you haven’t guessed already buying box sets is great, some of them are a bit out of my price rang, and you have to be careful of what you are really getting before you buy. Like let take Metalica’s box set when you read what you are getting your really only getting 3
CD’s and a DVD and a book and it cost around $98 not in my price range of savings, So you really have to be the smart shopper. But I am telling you, what ever I buy ends up on
my computer and formatted at almost the highest for MP3 for quality reasons.

Like I said before, this is more of a hobby to me then anything else. So it really doesn’t matter what other might think. And like I said before, you can spend months searching for all this music that is out there but then again they are not out there. You just have to see what you get out of it.

Thank you for the nice reply.

[Ken17625]

Why do you have these wild ideas, that even a fraction of the Zeropaid community cares what you buy?

I don't give a fuck, if you buy every compact disc in every store and wear an "I love the RIAA" t-shirt, you self centered troll!

BWHAHAHAHAHAHA.

[origin]

The media has to originate from the source(riaa,mpaa/org's) and end up in the right hands and eventually on the hands of millions of others sharing the wealth of information on free boundless p2p networks. Of course it is supporting the riaa and org's it's there product, we all know that the cash flow can't be stopped completly nor be full fledged. So the some of us that do buy the media do compensate for the rest of us who don't a balance of some sort, not sure what I want to call it yet lol I'll decide eventually!.

l8

[CORRUPTERBUSTER]

Seems to me we have one of those people who like to cause problems. who care he/she is nobody, just a fly on the wall.

[fireforce555]

I have only bought 1 cd this year and it was a soundtrack from a show thats NOWHERE on any p2p network. I will sometimes buy older stuff from artists I like but I never buy top 40 cds anymore.


For me to drop some cash I have to REALLY like that artist.

[shawners]

It would be sweet IRONy if the music you bought, and put on the net was found by RIAA bots.. IN later go on to sue you and the money you spent on the cd's went to go towards the lawsuit =) Thats how the RIAA works, they dont care if your a music lover or what you buy, your infringing and their going to do what it takes to alienate you from being a costumer.

[Killawat]

Actually some1 didn't have to buy that stuff. Usually with release groups ::for those who read nfo's:: these guys work at stores or something and are in high places ::sleeping with store owner:: and can get this stuff at Little or NO cost to them. But everything else yea i agree.

[RJ5500]

Boxed sets can be quite cool.

Back a few years ago, I bought a factory sealed Jimmy Buffett boxed set of CDs for about $30 on a Yahoo auction.

I've seen it retail stores even lately for about $60, so I got a good deal when I bought it.

For Christmas, I did get a few CDs. Relax, they were from an independant artist and were not RIAA.

The term "buying cds" holds a lot of weight. Does it support the RIAA? If it's from one of their labels, and it's retail, then yes.

Does buying used RIAA CDs support the RIAA? Probably not since they recieve no royalties from them. Also, buying CDs from indie artists doesn't support the RIAA either.

As it was mentioned, all "release group" music that is from an RIAA-label must have been 'leaked' or bought by someone.

In a way, the RIAA actually helps P2P. If the RIAA did not sell any music, there would be far less on P2P for people to swap.

[CTC Command]

As Wolfie already pointed out, if everyone boycotted buying CD's then there wouldn't be any P2P. It is also important to support the musicians that we most appreciate. I used to buy ALOT of cd's before P2P came along, some cd's were good and many others were crappy, but I had no other choice. And while those purchases have markedly declined, I still buy cd's of my favorite bands to show my support for them.

To that end, we can buy cd's and share those songs with others on P2P, and if the persons downloading my collection of whoever really enjoys those songs they should go out and buy them as well. But we should buy the CD only if there are a preponderance of decent songs on it--if there's only one or two decent songs amidst 12 tracks of erstwhile crap then we should not bother. And we know what is the best way to find this out is; I shitcan a good percentage if what I download for any number of reasons, but the #1 reason is the song was c-r-a-p and I prefer to never hear it again. Thank god I didn't waste any $ on those mp3's piling up in my trash can (other than the expense of purchasing a computer, and paying the ISP, the phone company and the electic companys' bills to go online)



The best way to show support for artists is to do the following in this order
(a) go see them live
(b) buy a t-shirt while your at their show(s)
(c) buy their recordings (especially if they are on an independant label, but even if they are on a major label they will eventually see some of the royalties due them) and share them on P2P to turn other people on to their art so these new fans will be encoraged to go see them play and buy a shirt.

And everyone reading this should buy a Zeropaid shirt too, if they haven't already done so. Mine is breaking in rather well, I must say.
:fire

[CORRUPTERBUSTER]

Why do you have these wild ideas, that even a fraction of the Zeropaid community cares what you buy?

I don't give a fuck, if you buy every compact disc in every store and wear an "I love the RIAA" t-shirt, you self centered troll!

BWHAHAHAHAHAHA.


Go away little boy your bothering us, away away fly away home

[Nolanistic]

Yeah. You can buy music if you're not a radio-loving trend-whore. This means you have taste.

[nasrules]

I se where you guys are coming from, but there's another side to the argument.

Many people who use P2P now have a stance where they think "I'm not going to buy CDs because I'll be supporting the RIAA". However, if we all did both, CD sales wouldn't fall so much and the recording industry would have less support.

[eBwoy]

I personally couldn't give a flying left monkey bollock about THIS organisation or THAT organisation (RIAA etc) - although they are twats . .

I use P2P etc simply as a 'try before buy' policy & and if I like the sucka, I buy the sucka. I share on P2P and post to Usenet simply to promote good tunes.

I like collecting GOOD music, and rewarding the artist, forwarding the cause of good music for the future.

For an example (of many) - I'm not really a mainstream kinda guy, but heard positive noises about the latest Nelly Furtado set, I P2P'd it, liked it, and bought it.

My 2 pennies worth.

[NastyDogface]

To the U.S. Government, RIAA, and recording artists: (and Metallica... I still dig you guys, metal up your ass)

I am in no way stating that I had over 2,000 mp3s on an external hard drive until I picked up a virus and lost it all. I am also adamently denying that before this heartbreaking event I may or may not have shared them all, and without guilt. Here is why...

I have been a musician for 20 years, and I cannot count the number of cassettes and cds I have purchased throughout those years. I am greatly inspired by Metallica (as an example), and I own every album/cassette/cd/video that I have been able to find on the shelves. I have happily paid the ridiculously high prices for this, and all media I own because of my passion for music, and because I like the artists who perform the music.

While browsing my collection of bought and paid for cassettes, videos, and cds, I come to the realization that only a small portion of THOUSANDS of dollars worth of this bought and paid for media is still in my possesion. WHY, you ask....

Because the majority of this great music was recorded on low quality material that deteriorated over time, or was scratched, lost, or stolen.

I realize the artists are not responsible for lost and stolen property, but I simply refuse to pay for a replacement, when I have already purchased the right to listen to the music. The RIAA will say that I am mistaken, but I am not...
If it is legal for me to create a backup copy (for personal use), of the music that I paid for, and then throw the original cd or cassette in the trash... leaving me with an exact duplicate of the original... then I am not breaking the law by aquiring a backup copy of the music from the internet, period.

The recording companies do not offer a way to replace their shitty product after it has deteriorated to the point that the quality is bad. I paid for and expect a high quality recording that I will be able to enjoy for as long as I see fit. I paid for music which, according to the music industry, is considered to be the data or information stored on the tapes or cds, and not the tapes or cds themselves. To argue against this FACT is like saying I purchased a Coke bottle, but not the Coca-Cola inside the bottle.

I may (or may not) have also downloaded titles that I have not previously purchased legally, but if I like it I buy it, plain and simple. Sure, I may or may not have once posessed music that I kinda enjoyed, but did'nt consider important enough to buy. But If I would'nt have had the ability to download it, I still would'nt have bought it. Where is the loss? Fuck the RIAA.

The artists are not losing money from me because I buy what I deem fit for purchase. I go to concerts, I buy the t-shirts. What do you want, a fucking cookie?

As a musician without a raging ego LARS ULRICH, I understand that if my music is good then my fans will buy it to support the band, or just to have the stupid cd cover and lyrics as a trophy. If my music sucks (LOAD, RE-LOAD... ETC.), face it bruthas, it will stay on the shelves. Blame it on file sharing if you want to, bitch, but when the RIAA/Government vote whores shut it down, the fans will shut you down.

File sharing is for more than your music (or should I say the record companies' music?), or the MPA's movies, or for developers' software... it is a way for people to communicate and share ideas, or even to send pictures of their dick to wives or girlfriends if they fucking want to.

The internet and it's users are growing rapidly. When lawmakers take away what little privacy and freedom of speech we still have, and people begin to grasp how important these things are in their everyday, not a rock star lives... you, your RIAA, and the government who supports you are all fucked.

[FutureIverson]

Your not gonna like that the artist only gets 2 dollars off each CD sale, the rest goes to the label and the RIAA...

[Killawat]

Good points Nasty DF

[Lucian]

" However, if we all did both, CD sales wouldn't fall so much and the recording industry would have less support."

When people were buying CDs they still had support. I'm never buying another RIAA CD. The RIAA has no right to exist. Supply and Demand, this is capitalism not communism. We have no use from a business standpoint for the RIAA.

[Lucian]

"Your not gonna like that the artist only gets 2 dollars off each CD sale, "

More like 20 cent.

[FutureIverson]

" However, if we all did both, CD sales wouldn't fall so much and the recording industry would have less support."

When people were buying CDs they still had support. I'm never buying another RIAA CD. The RIAA has no right to exist. Supply and Demand, this is capitalism not communism. We have no use from a business standpoint for the RIAA.

Nice to hear from you again Lucian, the more CD sales fall the more they will complain of losses, maybe they'll file lawsuits like crazy.

The RIAA probably won't go bankrupt, their sueing people, the music industry still pulls good money I know they may have losses but they still pull in lots of cash don't be fooled.

it's not money that's gonna kill the RIAA our best hope is PR.

[shawners]

Alanis morrissette signed a recording contract earlier in her carrier before jagged little pill.. She got a dollar off each cd, which was really unheard of.. So they get alot less, what it boils down to is they get paid upfront a million or two, and then they tour to make more money and make album sales high. IF they dont sale enough albums, they dont get royalties or more money, or may have their recording contract canceled.. But they could always be what they was before, an out of worked musician.

[crackerjacker]

Seems to me we have one of those people who like to cause problems. who care he/she is nobody, just a fly on the wall.


I will take this as if your talking to me. haha that is fine. :)
call me a trouble maker. :)

*knows dam well your not talking bout me* but if you are thanks for the compliment.

cheers

[SamJam]

The only CDs I've purchased in the last few years were used. (eBay, Record Store, Pawn Shop,etc.) I pay about 5 bucks (give or take a couple of bucks) a CD. I've never bought a bad one. They all play and rip just fine. Same with DVDs. I pay about 7-10 bucks for those used from the pawn shop or video store.

[cdcovercentral]

ok... i am new to this forum but lets just say i know my shit on how music and other things work on the internet.

The way in which music, software, games, movies and even porn get onto the internet is by a system.

Lets take music for example.

Someone with in the record industry's leak these albums/singles to certain groups. Now when downloading of p2p programs you might of seen files like this:

03-eminem-8_mile-rns

Well let me tell you the part at the end (rns) is a team/group that are connected to people inside the record industry's. Now there is no doubt you would of seen these types of files. There is not just one group ither there are millions such as: wcr, rns, omr etc loads.
Now these groups then send out to people that then share it to other people and so on. This is where EVERYTHING Comes from on the internet. If you don't believe this then tuff luck your problem. But let me tell you downloading music doesn't allways have to be complicated e.g. you don't always have to have a p2p program ;)

[RACKnRAIL]

QUOTE: ok... i am new to this forum but lets just say i know my shit on how music and other things work on the internet.

The way in which music, software, games, movies and even porn get onto the internet is by a system.

Lets take music for example.

Someone with in the record industry's leak these albums/singles to certain groups. Now when downloading of p2p programs you might of seen files like this:

03-eminem-8_mile-rns

Well let me tell you the part at the end (rns) is a team/group that are connected to people inside the record industry's. Now there is no doubt you would of seen these types of files. There is not just one group ither there are millions such as: wcr, rns, omr etc loads.
Now these groups then send out to people that then share it to other people and so on. This is where EVERYTHING Comes from on the internet. If you don't believe this then tuff luck your problem. But let me tell you downloading music doesn't allways have to be complicated e.g. you don't always have to have a p2p program ;)



Why don't you just tell all of us how to do it!
Do you think this site was just born yesterday? I don't usually flame anyone, but you're an idiot.