Anything goes forum

[shawners]

http://zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=16677&page=2&pp=15 Heres a thread that was closed cause of the close minded. I dunno but threads get closed without members even discussing the issue. Heres what i would like to see.
A small space that says ANYTHING Goes forum. The title will read that, as well as a small statement that says, These post and the members does not represent the views of zeropaid, these are just random thoughts and talks among the members and mods will not close it for anything that goes on in the Anything goes forum. We here reserve the right to excersise your right, and we know how important freedom of speech is since we support file sharing, and the sharing of topics.

The real illusion there is no control, the bible speaks plainly of it. You can control many parts of the man, but the tongue is something you cant control. Just cause threads get closed doesnt mean the thought or what was said has vanished. Oh and never take anything personally on here. People will say crap, and people that are thousands of miles away are of no matter what so ever.

It be nice to have a post and if someone gets picked on, or flammed at. Dont respond or encourage, and even ignore.. The ignore feature still works.. ?

Happy Holidays
This thread will self destruct when five unhappy people read it and before it reaches the third page.

[Sephiroth]

No flaming forums which is what your suggesting. They dont work out and its will only encourage people to flame and cause problems and it really is a all or none thing because you cannot contain it to one forum.

Freedom of speech does not give a person the right to walk all over or be disrespectful or insulting to others. Why should others have to ignore someone who is flaming when that person shouldnt be flaming or picking on someone else in the first place.

[baghdad_steve15]

Everything goes == No control for Seph.

I think it is a good Idea because some of the bests threads here with debating have been closed because of "flaming".

Potato's thread was closed the same way the other thread she was complaining about was.

[Sephiroth]

hey powerman how many usernames do you really need here anyways? I would figure one would be more than enough.

There is a difference between debating and just flaming and insulting eachother that is gets out of control. Wrapping yourself in the flag and getting on your freedom of speech soapbox doesnt give people the right to flame others or to act above the rules under the threat of them crying about the 1st amendment if they dont get their way everytime.

A flaming forum are bad and will only lead to very bad things as it has on the other p2p forums which allowed flaming to go on freely. We do not need to allow people to freely flame here because they choose to come here and if you choose to post here then you can follow the rules or if you dont want to follow the rules and be able to flame, insult and instigate crap people have the choice to go someplace else to flame, or insults and do other things that arent allowed.

[isus]

wonder how long this thread will last before seph or another mod closes it.

[baghdad_steve15]

hey powerman how many usernames do you really need here anyways? I would figure one would be more than enough.

There is a difference between debating and just flaming and insulting eachother that is gets out of control. Wrapping yourself in the flag and getting on your freedom of speech soapbox doesnt give people the right to flame others or to act above the rules under the threat of them crying about the 1st amendment if they dont get their way everytime.

A flaming forum are bad and will only lead to very bad things as it has on the other p2p forums which allowed flaming to go on freely. We do not need to allow people to freely flame here because they choose to come here and if you choose to post here then you can follow the rules or if you dont want to follow the rules and be able to flame, insult and instigate crap people have the choice to go someplace else to flame, or insults and do other things that arent allowed.

I have one Username and I am damn happy with it.

If theres a difference between debating and flaming you do not seem to know it.
Just because you get some sort of power in a forum does not make you god, and definately does not allow you to decide what people can say. You are not Bruce Almighty Seph. You are Seph, from Florida. I am sure you are a nice person in real life, but here you just dont show it.

[Potato]

I only gave up on my thread because I had to go drive home before it started snowing more. Death wasn't on the agenda today.

I don't like that my thread went completely off topic and into the shithole (not saying it wasn't an interesting and educational read). I don't feel that anything was really accomplished in respect to the topic. Actually I was hoping for more member input than what there was (on the damn topic, that is). I still think it's a load of shit that mods can have a last word when that isn't an option for anyone else in a similar situation.

An "Anything Goes" forum would create hell on zeropaid. People can't f*cking control themselves enough to make it work. However, I bet I'd find it very entertaining. We'd all know what others thought of us, that's for sure.

A Debate forum would be interesting. As long as people keep the personal comments to themselves... and as long as people don't bait others.

[Sephiroth]

If you want to be entertained by people on a forum then go visit the ESV forums...

[Kooperman]

If you want to be entertained by people on a forum then go visit the ESV forums...
Seph, this is just the type thing that makes people resent you. You just made a flippant remark to Potato that there was absolutely no need for. You took an innocent remark and turned it upside down, and in the process tell her to go to the ES5 forums to be entertained...as if the forums here should under no circumstances be entertaining. Why do you have to make these snide remarks to your members, Jorge & Dub's customers? please get a clue about leadership and human interaction, and have some respect for the members. But you reap just what you sew, Seph.

[Sephiroth]

Alot more people than just potato say that and it wasnt made towards her and it was a scartastic remark.

Many have said they dont mind flaming because they find it entertaining. Even if it was allowed here which its not other forums which allow flaming would be much more entertaining than this place ever will be.

[Rickio]

You guys are all off base. This place was never meant to be what it has mostly become. A place to discuss whatever you want.
They created a lounge and then a huge influx of knuckleheads arrived and made this place a goofball forum and believe it or not, this is a privately owned forum and peoples rights to do as they wish do not apply.
You are currently enjoying a chaotic forum , perhaps it will be changing soon as it is way out of control now.

This is a p2p portal and like anyone who works might feel. When you create something there is usually a focus or point to it. I sincerely doubt this place was created to be a playground for anything goes.

[CCSDUDE]

You guys are all off base. This place was never meant to be what it has mostly become. A place to discuss whatever you want.
They created a lounge and then a huge influx of knuckleheads arrived and made this place a goofball forum and believe it or not, this is a privately owned forum and peoples rights to do as they wish do not apply.
You are currently enjoying a chaotic forum , perhaps it will be changing soon as it is way out of control now.

This is a p2p portal and like anyone who works might feel. When you create something there is usually a focus or point to it. I sincerely doubt this place was created to be a playground for anything goes.

The name was grabbed on a whim...they didn't have any idea as to what 'zeropaid.com' would be.

As for it being a private site...sure it is, but I could give a fuck less about it being owned by Jorge or "Bill" or anyone else. It's a site that tries to draw people in just like any other. They have ad's and sponsors, they sell shirts.

It's a hobby that's paying for itself (and probably more at times) so before you go getting all high an mighty you might wanna think about coughing up the cash for zeropaid's hosting.

Unless people such as myself or Kooperman and Potato enjoy hanging around here all they'll have is a few p2p links/some chatter between some close Cali friends and maybe a few loyal members who'd take every bit of mod power tripping shit just because they like 'zeropaid'. So if ya'll don't mind kicking out hard earned cash to talk among yourselves on a dead forum then go for some 4th riche shit. If not then let the ad's do the bill paying and chill out on people using a forum to....dum dum dum...communicate with each other and talk about various things.

Even Anime freaks have 'lounge' sections on their forums and they out do all the peer2peer fucks in the anal retentive realm.

[shawners]

If someones flamming then obviously they are just too imature to have a normal discussion, and then need to be removed, but closing threads and others for not likeing an idea or sharing views. I was talking about that freedom. I think its a shame we post a thread in a feedback area to get feedback from you guys as well as the many members and it gets closed in the feedback area. The networks are full of obscene things, and that we allow kids to be able to post here is another thing bad language or insulting isnt tolerated. Why cant it be a playground?? you see how many kids are registerd and playing here? The front page is the portal of filesharing, the forums are their to go deeper into every aspect of peoples lifes. Is it easier to close the thread then it is to take out a post? Im just posting this in the feedback area to get everyones feedbacks. People are going to be honest to a point and tell you how they feel and why they feel that way. Its not personal, its that people have discussed things in other threads and when they make a point that its not favorable it shouldnt be closed. Out of the people who are registered, only a 100 may post on a daily basis or read any thread. So chances are you all can handle the excitement we may give you on a time to time basis. Its not like i dont enjoy being here and reading what others say or post in the news section. If i really had a problem which i dont, just that i couldnt post in a intresting thread was my biggest concerned.. Maybe if us members are really unhappy about the things going on maybe we just complain loudly enough to jorge to take action. Thats why we created a thread without PMing jorge to death.

[cheapprick]

In a sense you're right, it was an interesting thread, or start to a thread. It was closed for the stated reason, which was right, even if it wasn't what some wanted. Ask yourself, if it hadn't resorted to off-topic attacking of a mod, would it have been closed?

Potato didn't mention anything about the 'evils of Seph', but she was discussing one particular thing she didn't like about mods work. For some other members to simply use it to continue on a fight that was started elsewhere wouldn't be tolerated at any time, so why would it if a mod is attacked?

If there were many threads attacking one member, it would be stopped. Are you saying that mods are fair game to attack?

[origin]

I'm going to have to agree with shawners on this one. Like a section on the forum where anything goes like speak youre mind enlight the world. I have seen this done on many other forums and it suprisingly works well. Less people go out of line, less needed to close threads. What I thought was funny was that it reduced the "unwanted" stuff from happening on the rest of the forum, but the actual anything goes section had the least amount of threads in the whole forum. So it's just a tad of extra freedum. get some.

l8

[cjules13]

This site would be taken more seriously as a true P2P portal if there wasn't like 5-day old news on the front page all the time.

A new wave of filesharing suits went out a couple days ago and all kinds of other related articles. Why is there no mention of this on this site, a freaking P2P portal.

When I want to go get news on P2P, I end up going elsewhere because I get the news not 2 days late like here. I've submitted these stories myself days ago but oh well... And then I end up coming to ZP to socialize in the lounge because there no new news on the site to talk about!

Here my point: If you want more focus to come back to P2P on this site and less goofin around, increase the P2P content on the site!
I thought this was like a focus group!

But the content is not very focused sometimes...

[MikeHunt]

One mans flame is another mans opinion.
Again ..we are now back to being tastemakers & referees?
Opinions have to be catagorized?
Free speech has it's limits..but I think shawners is on the right track.
There needs to be an 'outlet' for off-topic sh*t....,
but an all out 'anything goes' forum will attract every juvi idiot that wants to type FU CK and see it in print.

[Kooperman]

[QUOTE=cjules13]This site would be taken more seriously as a true P2P portal if there wasn't like 5-day old news on the front page all the time.

A new wave of filesharing suits went out a couple days ago and all kinds of other related articles. Why is there no mention of this on this site, a freaking P2P portal.

When I want to go get news on P2P, I end up going elsewhere because I get the news not 2 days late like here. I've submitted these stories myself days ago but oh well... QUOTE]

That's the absolute truth. I quit posting news long ago because it was being ignored due to my lack of formatting knowledge. I go to BeatKing for current news now.

[Sephiroth]

If people cannot express themselves without ridiculing or insultins others that is their problem not everyone else's to put up with.

Freedom of Speech has long been used as an excuse by the flamers and trollers to try to get away with it. This is not about freedom of speech or expressing oneself this is about a very small few who want to insult and belittle others for their own personal enjoyment while under the guise of they are just expressing their opinion.

Which allowing people the "freedom to troll" because again a few small number of people do it is not in the overall best interest of this forum or this site and will greatly damage the reputation of this site.

That is why it was not done in the past and will not be done in the future.

[tamarisk]

True in the constitution at least of my country there is

you are free to do what you want as long as you don't obstruct the freedom's of others

[Kooperman]

Whenever people are treated with courtesy and respect they almost invariably return that courtesy and respect to the source. That has not been the case here recently starting from the top and extending to the ranks of the average members. It's time to stop the antagonism. I hope that perhaps today might mark the beginning of a new awareness on ZP of civility and courtesy, whether it's management dealing with the rank and file or vice versa. The ZP forum has always been a good one....the domino effect that lack of respect has caused needs to stop....now...today. Let's make this forum one we can be proud of once more.

[Sephiroth]

Theres a difference between the literally meaning which is what everyone who uses the "freedom of speech" arguement uses and the actual meaning of it and where it implies.

If someone in your house says something you dont like do you have the right to ask them to leave or you cant have them leave your house because that would be against their "freedom" of speech?

Freedom of speech is a right given by the government to the people concerning the government and the government's role in the media and speech. Not other people and this site is certainly not any government.

Certainly freedom of speech does not mean that a person is not responisble for their actions which seems to be what some are trying to argue here.

[Rickio]

The name was grabbed on a whim...they didn't have any idea as to what 'zeropaid.com' would be.

As for it being a private site...sure it is, but I could give a fuck less about it being owned by Jorge or "Bill" or anyone else. It's a site that tries to draw people in just like any other. They have ad's and sponsors, they sell shirts.

It's a hobby that's paying for itself (and probably more at times) so before you go getting all high an mighty you might wanna think about coughing up the cash for zeropaid's hosting.

Unless people such as myself or Kooperman and Potato enjoy hanging around here all they'll have is a few p2p links/some chatter between some close Cali friends and maybe a few loyal members who'd take every bit of mod power tripping shit just because they like 'zeropaid'. So if ya'll don't mind kicking out hard earned cash to talk among yourselves on a dead forum then go for some 4th riche shit. If not then let the ad's do the bill paying and chill out on people using a forum to....dum dum dum...communicate with each other and talk about various things.

Even Anime freaks have 'lounge' sections on their forums and they out do all the peer2peer fucks in the anal retentive realm.

The forum would not be dead just for having more focus and relavence. In fact the chatting up on whatever, is not bad, but if for example you buy a book on electronics and it ends up telling you how to cure ham, that's messed up. It's all in the balance and the nonsense is taking up, imho, more than it should.

Of course that's just my opinion, but I honestly am bored with the way ZP is heading out to be. All I am saying is we need to either be a good p2p portal or maybe just change to the reason for this site and call it "The Playground".

Is it wrong to want a good p2p forum and to want less rudeness and jerks making this place a drag?

If there are forums that fit the requirements of allowing anything goes, then why not be more involved in those forums?

[aqlo]

Shawners I don't like your idea. I don't mean it should be censored, it's perfectly plausible and worthy of consideration, I'm not knocking you for the alleged topic of this thread. I just don't like it, I disagree, I want to vote No.

So where's your fuckin poll? Do the bad evil nasty moderators have to make this one for you too?!? And then get slandered for another 10 or 20 pages for daring to speak?
The real illusion there is no control, the bible speaks plainly of it. You can control many parts of the man, but the tongue is something you cant control. Just cause threads get closed doesnt mean the thought or what was said has vanished. Oh and never take anything personally on here. People will say crap, and people that are thousands of miles away are of no matter what so ever. We already have that here in every forum, instead of being confined to one little crappy corner of an obscure place no one could even find if it weren't for the fact that we act as goat for their publicity campaigns, here they are spread out all over and our great moderators even break them up into 6 or 7 readable pieces for us so that they cover the front page and make sure everyone everywhere knows our mixed opinions on whatever subjects we as filesharers care about. That's great, I like that, why can't we shut up when we have got what we were supposed to be fighting for?

So how much more freedom of speech do we need? The right to post illegal content, practice harassment of other members, and flood the pages with commercials? Because those things are what's left, I don't want those things, I think they suck. Zeropaid also can't really afford to host them, they could be held responsible for things that are that bad and they don't have the facilities to flout the law with impunity the way some forums do.

[DudeAsInCool]

government[/b] to the people concerning the government and the government's role in the media and speech. Not other people and this site is certainly not any government.


Huh? The US Founders created the constitution and a democratic form of government in order to protect our freedoms, including the freedom of speech. We, the people, are the government.

Kooper and CJules made a good point above--member's news articles arent being posted quick enough, or you have to search other forums on the site to find them. If more time was spent attending to that duty and juicing up the other forums instead of debating the silly lounge issue ad infinitem, then perhaps the site would replicate the professional p2p forum it should be. I dont understand why people are so upset about the lounge posts--thats what a lounge should be for. Concentrate your good intentions where they make the most sense--not trying to chaperone professioinal adults. Instead, ask us to help you beef up the news and other forums, and I bet you will be pleasantly surprised at how cooperative people will be.

[Stellar]

I agree with Sephiroth on this one, the government cannot censor your speech, but privately held institutions do and should have the right to control their content however they see fit, as long as it does not include any type of discrimination.

The benefits or losses of these descisions will be realized naturally, the law does not need to be involved. ;)

[Sephiroth]

Huh? The US Founders created the constitution and a democratic form of government in order to protect our freedoms, including the freedom of speech. We, the people, are the government.

This has nothing to do with representation so i dunno why your bringing it up since it does not help your arguement one bit. Because again this isnt a government, no government runs this site and its web site. So the rights that the government gives the citizens of whatever country doesnt mean that everyone else in the country also gives you that right which is what your saying.

Because if it did which is what your saying then you wouldnt be able to remove anyone who you didnt want on your property like solicators, because you would be violating their freedom of speech, even though they would be harassing you on your own property which you bought and pay taxes for. Which that doesnt make any sense, yet according to you and others that would be perfectly fine and your right. So you and others are proposing that we allow the same type of thing here.

Im tired of getting blamed for the responisbility of others. I cant do anything about the news or the programs or other parts, i dont have the ability to do anything and its not my responisbility. So please take it up with those people because your asking the plumber to do electrical work.

[Krell]

but an all out 'anything goes' forum will attract every juvi idiot that wants to type FU CK and see it in print.

We get these numb sculls a few times a year, for all I know they're the same people. I don't know why we even suffer these threads, zero pain wanted this to be brawlhual, and they rest of the idiots here that love to fight went to ES5 for a while. If you want some free for all, take it some where else.

This upstanding site should be reserved for the sanctity of REAL P2P news, and the reporting of interesting world events, such poor victimized Vietnamese teens. yah.

[DudeAsInCool]

This has nothing to do with representation so i dunno why your bringing it up since it does not help your argument one bit.

Fair enough--I should have separated this aside to my other thesis. My comment was to your description to our form of government, and was not a comment to your government analogy and ZP. Obviously, there has to be moderation and not a free-for-all; althought I think the lounge section should be expected to be a bit more loose.



Im tired of getting blamed for the responisbility of others. I cant do anything about the news or the programs or other parts, i dont have the ability to do anything and its not my responisbility. So please take it up with those people because your asking the plumber to do electrical work.


LOL. Good one re the plumber and the electrical work.

Maybe since your arena is the focal point at the moment, you can help funnel some of that energy, get people to volunteer and help out the other guys, and ultimately realize your goal of improving the rest of the site?? It seems you're the one who gets everyone's attention...you've taken the leadership role, and people seem to respect that, even the critics. I thiink people are looking to you for the direction of the entire site, because you appear to be its main spokesman.

[BlueLieu]

Ya know what you cry babies? This is a P2P site. You wanna post "Anything goes" content find somewhere else to do it. You are not hijacking this site so you can push your own agenda.

I stopped posting new threads since my "The Ridiculous United Nations" thread was closed. That thread was in response to innumerable "Americans/Christians/Bush sucks" threads were posted (and are still open).

What I learned was what I stated already. This is a P2P site. Although I wanted to present a opposing opinion, this is not the place. Which is the lesson you all should learn.

[my name]

I agree with Sephiroth on this one, the government cannot censor your speech, but privately held institutions do and should have the right to control their content however they see fit, as long as it does not include any type of discrimination.

So what you are saying is that the morality of the idea of freedom of speech does not apply to the private sector. there's two moralities: one is nation wide and the other is for the private sector..
You are saying that as a private sector, people can censor any opinion they want thus leaving the decision to the owners alone.

Legal? Maybe
Moral?--- come on….

The reason the idea of an "all goes" thread was suggested is because most of us cannot post any controversial stuff anymore. Like my thread in which I asked Americans if they thought the cost of the iraq war was worth it to them. I really wanted to know because there are 2 sides for and against. In no way was I hinting to any side.

I can only say that thread was closed very very fast. Guess who closed it.

I have no will to aggravate anyone and lack the power to fight a mod that is above any laws in this matrix so I stopped making political threads. I am sure many others did so too.

As for the so called flames… when you see forums on the web when a guy is posting f. you f. you plastered across 6 lines that’s a flame. When someone says bush is an idiot or to someone that he is out of his mind saying whatever, that isn’t a flame and we can all handle it.

Sephiroth stretched the meaning of trolling and flaming so very much to match his needs.


Ya know what you cry babies? This is a P2P site. You wanna post "Anything goes" content find somewhere else to do it. You are not hijacking this site so you can push your own agenda.

there isn’t any hijacking bluelieu as the super moderator clearly posted himself regarding the vip lounge.


The difference between this forum and lounge is that the lounge is for any general discussion thread and this forum is more for tech and current events, or political threads.

[Stellar]

So what you are saying is that the morality of the idea of freedom of speech does not apply to the private sector. there's two moralities: one is nation wide and the other is for the private sector..
You are saying that as a private sector, people can censor any opinion they want thus leaving the decision to the owners alone.

Legal? Maybe
Moral?--- come on….

No, it does not apply. If you start a business you have the FREEDOM and RIGHTS to run it any way you please. If your customers do not like the way it is run they will leave. You pay the consequences for your own actions. It's kind of like those Dixie Chicks, maybe I have brought this up here before .. the have the RIGHTS to do whatever they want - however when their album sales go down do they really have anything to whine about? It was their own decisions that created the problem. I think the key here is accountability, not morality or legality. Businesses/Organizations/Forums/Etc have rights too. If you don't feel you can express or enjoy yourself here you have the right to go elsewhere. I am not saying I agree with every instance of censorship here, I am just trying to make a point. Morality really isn't involved, at all. In this case especially I think it is subjective.

[ASUmusicMAN]

I dunno...I really like the flame control here. At ZP I can just ask a question and not get the "yOu F*ing nOOb...diediedie" response...I've always had nothing but an enjoyable experience here, and I think it is because not only the regulars are badass, but the mods as well. I'm just afraid that if an anything goes forum is created, then normal topics that digress into flaming would just be moved there.

[method]

Okay.. so.. ZP open that forum and then some asshole decides they don't like you, brings a bunch of trolls with them and they all start talking crap about you..

..and mods shouldn't be allowed to do a thing about it?

I do get where you're going with this and sometimes I really want to respond to a closed thread and can't 'coz it's closed. - which sux!

BUT.. a free-for-all forum where mods don't do what they're there for can often fuck things right up with a lot of people being offended in the process.

Maybe do this so threads aren't closed BUT.. still accept mods to remove things that are directly offensive to others!?!?! (dunno.. just seems like a compromise!)

[mojo-ris-in]

Method, in the past we've tried splitting threads like that but honestly once a thread gets off track it rarely gets back on track and we end up closing them anyways.

The bottom line here folks is every forum has its rules. You can either follow them or face the concequences of not following them. This is 1st and foremost a p2p discussion forum and we need to keep the focus on that. Why in God's name would you want to discuss social and political issues on a file sharing forum? If you want that kind of stuff, there are literally thousands of those type of sites to do that in. The main focus is, and always should, be p2p. Now with that said we need a general area to post general stuff and that is what the lounge offers. The atmosphere in the lounge should be relaxed and frankly topics like war and social issues are rarely relaxed. People have very strong feelings in regards to things like these and so they almost end up with someone getting offended or pissed.

Another thing to consider is how the animosity on these boards prevent people from posting here. I have talked to many new users that just lurk and don't actively participate because they're afraid of getting dumped on by the uber-posters. New people bring new ideas and new discussions. By having no rules forums or sections just alienate them more and we get what we have now, a small base of people that try to dictate the forums and a large base of new people that don't want to get dumped on relegating themselves to lurkers and eventually moving on to friendlier forums. People always like to bring up freedom of speech but even freedom of speech isn't absolute and when people use that as a ways to stifle others, IMHO freedom of speech becomes little more than words.

[CTC Command]

Having a flame forum would be a really dumb idea. It seems we're finally rid of the several main troublemakers who could not maintain anything like a civil decorum around here and popped up in every forum to derail any and every type of discussion. If ZP does this, it might as rename itself "The Skorchie-Galileo-IQ214-rockr2003-skankho Dog & Pony Show," because these flaming idiots will take back the forums faster than you can type ctrl+alt+del. And despite some heavyhanded use of the "close thread" function of late, it certainly beats THAT alternative.

I'm all for 1st amendment rights. But I have to agree that there are limitations to "free speech" that are in the best interest of everyone, and for the most part ZP allows its members to belly up pretty close to that bar. While some politico-philosphical threads have been closed prematurely, imo, in general this site is pretty tolerant and just closes offensive threads rather than permanently banning offensive posters. For some reason Yoda's Goat Poll comes to mind...

[CCSDUDE]

The forum would not be dead just for having more focus and relavence. In fact the chatting up on whatever, is not bad, but if for example you buy a book on electronics and it ends up telling you how to cure ham, that's messed up. It's all in the balance and the nonsense is taking up, imho, more than it should.

Of course that's just my opinion, but I honestly am bored with the way ZP is heading out to be. All I am saying is we need to either be a good p2p portal or maybe just change to the reason for this site and call it "The Playground".

Is it wrong to want a good p2p forum and to want less rudeness and jerks making this place a drag?

If there are forums that fit the requirements of allowing anything goes, then why not be more involved in those forums?

Rudeness is one thing but you can't make everyone stick to 'p2p' or 'p2p related' stuff all the time. This isn't a book nor the end all be all source for p2p stuff. It's just 1's and 0's on a server; without people and their distinct personalities this place would be a major drag.

I've been bored with all this shit for awhile now anyway..it's all back an forth BS (most of which a few select ahmm members have stirred up). Hell the whole concept of trying to make a forum 'serious' and civil is a losing battle no matter what the topic is. People are people and people make up every forum on the planet.

[Sephiroth]

without people and their distinct personalities this place would be a major drag.


No it wouldnt. Because the few "distinct personallities" were not always here, even without them the world will still go round, and people do not come here just to see these few "distinct personalities."

Making the forums a joke and not being serious at all like chat which your pushing your chat mamangement ideas here, would fail to represent the site but im not convinced that it works either.

So why dont you and some of the other chat ops stick to running chat and stop trying to force your chat management methods on the forums thinking that would be the answer to all your problems because its not.

[my name]

without people and their distinct personalities this place would be a major drag.


No it wouldnt. Because the few "distinct personallities" were not always here, even without them the world will still go round, and people do not come here just to see these few "distinct personalities."

You twisted his words sephiroth. ccsdude meant we all have distinctive personalities that will reflect in the forum and you turned its meaning to people that are distinctive in their personalities from all others.

Maybe you just misunderstood him

[CCSDUDE]

No it wouldnt. Because the few "distinct personallities" were not always here, even without them the world will still go round, and people do not come here just to see these few "distinct personalities."

Making the forums a joke and not being serious at all like chat which your pushing your chat mamangement ideas here, would fail to represent the site but im not convinced that it works either.

So why dont you and some of the other chat ops stick to running chat and stop trying to force your chat management methods on the forums thinking that would be the answer to all your problems because its not.

Cry me a river, Sephie. You're easier to read then a newspaper by now..change your lame material, and actually READ a post before responding to the first few lines.

I never said a select few kept this place together. What I said was individuals NEED to let their personalities come out whether it be on the street, with friends, or some internet forum in cyber space. It doesn't matter when or where; people are gonna be people no matter how hard you try and micro manage them. Besides no one comes here or to any other forum with the intent to drone on about one fucking topic till Armageddon washes down upon them. People come to socialize for Christ sake.

Also, you seriously need to let shit go as you've been ragging on IRC chatters over your de-oping since we didn't skip to your power tripping tune.

[Sephiroth]

Cry me a river, Sephie. You're easier to read then a newspaper by now..change your lame material, and actually READ a post before responding to the first few lines.

I never said a select few kept this place together. What I said was individuals NEED to let their personalities come out whether it be on the street, with friends, or some internet forum in cyber space. It doesn't matter when or where; people are gonna be people no matter how hard you try and micro manage them. Besides no one comes here or to any other forum with the intent to drone on about one fucking topic till Armageddon washes down upon them. People come to socialize for Christ sake.

Also, you seriously need to let shit go as you've been ragging on IRC chatters over your de-oping since we didn't skip to your power tripping tune.

No you implied it numerous times and you can backtrack all you want but i dont believe that you were talking about everyone else. Also i dont want to hear whatever shit you and others have come up about me after dissecting my posts again. Because its just wrong and i think i know myself better than you or any of the other people whom i dont know.

Which i never said that its going to be just one topic here. Immature antics and silly crap is all the same general topic too and not everyone likes it or wants to do just that all the time. The focus of this site isnt going to be the immature posts or posters anymore its going to be file sharing. The focus is different than what is allowed which is pretty much everything that was allowed here before.

No you and the few other chat ops need to stick to managing chat and not trying to force your methods on the forum by organizing to force the changes that just you want even though its not in the best interest of the forums or the people who visit the forums. Again stick to running chat not the forums.

Please stop making excuses to blame chat problems on me. You can claim "we didnt like your power tripping" or similar crap, yet you and the other ops always were in control and ran it the way you all wanted. I had no real or lasting effect or influence and you and the others know that. So you and anyone else who wants to continue to blame me i suggest that you take responisbility for your actions for once.

[P4L]

Can I make a suggestion. I come from a place where I can say what I want when I want and to who I want to say it to. It's fun , and nice to not have to worry about being censored.
But stuff almost never stays on topic and it makes it hard as all hell to find information you are looking for.
Having one thread for everything might help contain alot of unanted shit in one place. But it eventually spills out into the rest of the forums.

But I would say that I don't see why a topic should be closed or locked. There is no need for it. If someone is outright flaming at a direct person or persons , that persons post should just be deleted, don't lock the thread.
I don't know how many forums I have seen that had a good debate going and closed because a power hungry mod didn't like it, or you might be new to the forum and didn't search for something before you ask a question. So everyone on the forum jumps your ass and flames you, and since you are the new person you are at fault if you flame back.
Don't be like Slyck and close shit because you don't like it, but if you want a professional forum don't let a free for all go on either. But it is entertaining and will draw a crowd, which is what matters to a site on the internet, how many people come here and keep coming back.

[Stellar]

Wait, isn't this thread closed?

[Stellar]

Lets Trash It!!! :D :D!!!

[mojo-ris-in]

Contrary to popular belief, threads are never locked because mods don't agree with posters. It always involves violations of the forum rules. Users are only banned when they defiantly ignore the rules and basically tell us they are above the rules. That's the way it is in life. You either follow the rules or you're removed from society. Just because it's the internet doesn't mean there aren't basic rules that should be followed. Without rules there might be great drama with all the pissing matches but there would be little room for any other type of content. It's all about balancing the content with the personalities that post here. Also bear in mind that some topics for legality reasons can never be brought up because that would endanger the future of the board. Remember the problems that ISO News had and I think you see the problem with complete free for all forums.

The problem with political threads and stuff like that is that I have yet to see many that didn't degenerate into factional flaming and what not. When you have people from varied backgrounds and cultures get together to discuss politics and war you are bound to have people go after each other. That would be all fine and dandy if this was a political forum with people that came here for that but honestly people come here for P2P and PC related discussion and the main focus should be that.

People say that makes this place dull but it doesn't have to be that way if people would step up and initiate more conversation that's better related to this forum. Where's all the cool gear discussion that used to get posted here? Or how about new stuff going on in the open source world? There are plenty of things that could be discussed to keep the forums from getting stale that have nothing to do with other p2p portals or politics or who's screwing who this week. Now I know we could never completely remove political issues from this forum and I can live with that but the main focus should be what this forum was set up to do. An occasional political thread is OK but a free for all forum retains little focus.
Discuss!

[kiwibank]

for christ`s sake please don`t start any more political/bush/saddam/iraq threads in here. being flamed almost on a daily basis by people whinging and whining about "AMERICA BASHING" is becoming a fucking bore.

[Rickio]

Contrary to popular belief, threads are never locked because mods don't agree with posters. It always involves violations of the forum rules. Users are only banned when they defiantly ignore the rules and basically tell us they are above the rules. That's the way it is in life. You either follow the rules or you're removed from society. Just because it's the internet doesn't mean there aren't basic rules that should be followed. Without rules there might be great drama with all the pissing matches but there would be little room for any other type of content. It's all about balancing the content with the personalities that post here. Also bear in mind that some topics for legality reasons can never be brought up because that would endanger the future of the board. Remember the problems that ISO News had and I think you see the problem with complete free for all forums.

The problem with political threads and stuff like that is that I have yet to see many that didn't degenerate into factional flaming and what not. When you have people from varied backgrounds and cultures get together to discuss politics and war you are bound to have people go after each other. That would be all fine and dandy if this was a political forum with people that came here for that but honestly people come here for P2P and PC related discussion and the main focus should be that.

People say that makes this place dull but it doesn't have to be that way if people would step up and initiate more conversation that's better related to this forum. Where's all the cool gear discussion that used to get posted here? Or how about new stuff going on in the open source world? There are plenty of things that could be discussed to keep the forums from getting stale that have nothing to do with other p2p portals or politics or who's screwing who this week. Now I know we could never completely remove political issues from this forum and I can live with that but the main focus should be what this forum was set up to do. An occasional political thread is OK but a free for all forum retains little focus.
Discuss!

I totally agree with you. I posted on this thread yesterday and ended up deleting it as I am getting tired of saying we need to have focus and not really getting much agreement or reaction.

The reason for that being the status quo have basicly hijacked ZP for the most part.

We do need to maintane focus and if current members think that is wrong or boring, then that's the way it is for them. There are other people who would enjoy a relevant forum.

peace

[DudeAsInCool]

I totally agree with you. I posted on this thread yesterday and ended up deleting it as I am getting tired of saying we need to have focus and not really getting much agreement or reaction.

The reason for that being the status quo have basicly hijacked ZP for the most part.

We do need to maintain focus and if current members think that is wrong or boring, then that's the way it is for them. There are other people who would enjoy a relevant forum.

peace

As to the lead topic here, I'm not sure what the purpose of a 'free for all' section is... The lounges cover so many topics that a 'free for all' forum doesnt seem to make much sense

I think the best way to get the ZP focus realigned is to allow the Mods to move the P2P forums in the direction they want--by example. For instance, sites like Salon use Mod's to solely create and moderate discussions. I realize some of this is done at ZP, but perhaps more of it can be done. After all, who's better to lead serious discussions on P2P and related technologies than the experts themselves?

Also, a bit of reverse psychology and praise might lead people to help you beef up the the more relevant forums, and away from the lounge area. For example, some of the more active and knowlegable members could be asked to help post and lead threads on the latest developments in P2P technology, politics, cool apps, etc.

Finally, in order to make sure that the news is covered, what if the News Mods were asked to cover one of the relevant sources daily (e.g. CNet, NY Times, Yahoo Technology,The Drudge Report, etc.)? That way, the site is covered in the event that the member's don't submit the articles. In addition, they could be on the lookout for articles to post into other forums, when they don't fit the criteria of news.

Hope this helps.

[Kyle06]

I think a area that was not monitored by mods would be ok as long as the threads in that area did not come up on the front page....

[Kyle06]

and if all else fails I think we may need a few more mods to keep everything under control

[The Hunter]

I dont think we really need more mods as things are going fairly smmothly right now. Also I dont think we really need, or want an unmoderated area in the forums. This is mainly a place to discuss file sharing, and computer problems, not a brawl hall.

[mojo-ris-in]

I'll give you an example of why unmoderated forums end up as a mess. There is this "other" P2P forum that prides itself on non interference from mods that is suffering because all of a sudden their troublemakers have no one to start trouble with outside of their forums and are now looking for trouble inside instead. As a result they have had to seriously rethink whether or not to tighten up the moderation as people are getting fed up with wading through post after post of flames just to read new posts that may be of significance. This forum also has a spam/flame section specifically for that and the troublemakers are constantly posting outside of this specific area. This is what happens when you have little or no moderation. Internet forums, in general, are chocked full of little wuss kids that love to hide behind their pcs and say shit they would never have the balls to say to you in person and that's the main reason why no rules always fails. You're always going to have that 1 person that pushes it too far and when 1 does it without ramifications, I guarantee more will follow.

[mojo-ris-in]

I dont think we really need more mods as things are going fairly smmothly right now. Also I dont think we really need, or want an unmoderated area in the forums. This is mainly a place to discuss file sharing, and computer problems, not a brawl hall.

I 2nd the no new mods vote. Hell I'm lucky if I have to step in once a week these days to moderate something. Hunter, CP, Janett, Cheap, and Seph usually have things taken care of by the time I stroll in. Add to that CrazyHorse, Rickio, and Matt and well I really don't think we need any more mods. Now there may be a need for more news mods as I think they have problems getting people to mod stories from time to time but you would need to talk to Phalkon or CPU about that.

[mojo-ris-in]

I totally agree with you. I posted on this thread yesterday and ended up deleting it as I am getting tired of saying we need to have focus and not really getting much agreement or reaction.

The reason for that being the status quo have basicly hijacked ZP for the most part.

We do need to maintane focus and if current members think that is wrong or boring, then that's the way it is for them. There are other people who would enjoy a relevant forum.

peace
Well, I think if we give people something to talk about that is in the focus of this forum, they will. As time permits I'll probably add some articles that I read here and there to get the discussion going more to that.

[cheapprick]

Hunter, CP, Janett, Cheap, and Seph usually have things taken care of by the time I stroll in.


LOL, are you claiming I'm over-moderating?

ps. I'm referring to the double mention.

[mojo-ris-in]

Hahaha I meant CH. What can I say, It was late when I posted that :goodjob

[shawners]

Contrary to popular belief, threads are never locked because mods don't agree with posters. It always involves violations of the forum rules. Users are only banned when they defiantly ignore the rules and basically tell us they are above the rules. That's the way it is in life. You either follow the rules or you're removed from society. Just because it's the internet doesn't mean there aren't basic rules that should be followed. Without rules there might be great drama with all the pissing matches but there would be little room for any other type of content. It's all about balancing the content with the personalities that post here. Also bear in mind that some topics for legality reasons can never be brought up because that would endanger the future of the board. Remember the problems that ISO News had and I think you see the problem with complete free for all forums.

The problem with political threads and stuff like that is that I have yet to see many that didn't degenerate into factional flaming and what not. When you have people from varied backgrounds and cultures get together to discuss politics and war you are bound to have people go after each other. That would be all fine and dandy if this was a political forum with people that came here for that but honestly people come here for P2P and PC related discussion and the main focus should be that.

People say that makes this place dull but it doesn't have to be that way if people would step up and initiate more conversation that's better related to this forum. Where's all the cool gear discussion that used to get posted here? Or how about new stuff going on in the open source world? There are plenty of things that could be discussed to keep the forums from getting stale that have nothing to do with other p2p portals or politics or who's screwing who this week. Now I know we could never completely remove political issues from this forum and I can live with that but the main focus should be what this forum was set up to do. An occasional political thread is OK but a free for all forum retains little focus.
Discuss!

First time i read it all after posting it.. I like the quote "But If we dont follow rules, we are removed from society".. Reminds me of the RIAA of removing us cause we dont follow rules of buying, rather then sharing... I dont think nameing what you download constitutes files.. No extensions on them .exe or .zip. PLus with all the pay services. Whos to say we didnt buy it off the websight? I had a thread closed, and theirs no reason or anything. Vanished off the face of the zeropaid websight. I ONLy listed a place to go buy a software that is free to try, that decrypts a CD of content, with password and had it stored as bits of data files. I created a intresting title to get peoples attention to post their views on such a thing.

[mojo-ris-in]

Don't know what you are talking about specifically but I admit I've probably closed threads before thinking it was the right thing to do at the time only later wishing I had thought it through 1st. We're humans and sometimes we make mistakes. We don't do it to supress people but rather to protect people.

[Kooperman]

Don't know what you are talking about specifically but I admit I've probably closed threads before thinking it was the right thing to do at the time only later wishing I had thought it through 1st. We're humans and sometimes we make mistakes. We don't do it to supress people but rather to protect people.

Many thanks for the honest and mature responses mojo. I can truthfully say that with almost no exceptions ZP has an all star roster of mods who do responsible and sensible work in a thankless job.

[rebirth]

everyone who loves Sephiroth, raise their hands!












anybody?






/me raises his hand timidly

[mojo-ris-in]

Seph takes a lot of shit on this forum and most of it is unwarranted. Whether you like the guy or not you can't deny what he has brought to ZP over the years.

Personally, I feel he gets the short end of the stick a lot by people who are more concerned in looking cool and witty to their followers than actually helping the forums. This used to be a forum designed to help people and attract new people to P2P, now it more closely resembles a glorified members only club. Don't get me wrong we have many great members that bring a lot to the table but we also have a lot of smart asses who only bitch and moan when people don't cave in to their demands. They put themselves before anybody else or anything else.

Of course this is only my opinion.....

[muffenme]

:fire

I raising my hand to the ceiling that says that Seph is doing a great job as Mods.

I feel as long it about P2P or PC related then find, but it shouldn't on how to get it with ever girl in town.

If you found a way to get into the DC++ servers without the requirement and you want to tell everyone else then OK but how to break into the White House, then no. If you want to put down a race of people, then no.

First use your judgement on what you put on a message board, if not check the rules because rules are there to keep thing running right.

Sephiroth rock in my mind.

:hole