A request to the mods

[Potato]

I don't think it's fair that mods can (and do) post in closed threads. Maybe.... mods... don't do it? Seems really unfair to me. You guys get to have your last word, but others can't say a damn thing. I've seen his happen several times, so this isn't just inspired by that one 9 page thread that was recently closed.

Unless you're saying WHY a thread was closed (which I don't see often either, though sometimes it's fairly obvious), I fail to see why ANYONE should post in a closed thread.

[Evil_Dweller_01]

Oh I've seen it happen alright :)

But guess what? Thats why they are moderators...they have the ability to close/open threads to keep control

But I can tell ya that it is unfair for them to have the last word...it really is

[Stellar]

Well a mod must have the last word, can't let it appear that the kids are out of the babysitter's control ...

[Sephiroth]

In that tread before it was closed someone made numerous remarks about me and i felt i had to clear them up because most werent accurate one bit. I also posted a link which shows that the issue that the thread was about was resolved.

Others did get their say and its usually because of that which is why threads get closed in the first place. We we just let people continually to get their say then it just gets out of control.

In feedback threads after we get enough input to decide what is the best thing to do in that case it was to simply ditch the idea of messing with post counts at all, as well the messages forum because it wouldnt be needed and therefore also ditch the idea of messing with the recent posts. Mainly because i didnt know for certain that the other moderators couldnt delete threads. Even after that was posted for 2 more pages people kept discussing and complaining about it the proposed ideas even though its not going to happen.

[aqlo]

I don't think it's fair that mods can (and do) post in closed threads. Maybe.... mods... don't do it? Seems really unfair to me. You guys get to have your last word, but others can't say a damn thing. I've seen his happen several times, so this isn't just inspired by that one 9 page thread that was recently closed.

Unless you're saying WHY a thread was closed (which I don't see often either, though sometimes it's fairly obvious), I fail to see why ANYONE should post in a closed thread.

Pretty scary huh?

[Potato]

I read your post Seph, and I'm not really picking on you specifically. It's the issue in general. I don't see how it's fair that a mod can get their last word in where a regular poster wouldn't be able to. You had an opportunity that others don't, and you took advantage of it... unfairly I believe. Like I said, I've seen it before from others as well, so this is not "potato's pickin on seph"...

[The Hunter]

Posting a rebuttal has been commonplace here for a long while, now if it is correct or not is another thing. i feel if the thread was closed by a different mod from the one that was being flamed, the flamed mod should not have a problem posting a final comment.

[isus]

i agree potato, although i fail to see why some threads are closed at all... certain mods can stay away from some of them, but then others practically ALWAYS end up being closed.

[Potato]

If it were a regular person being flamed after the thread were closed, the regular person wouldn't get a final comment. That's my whole point. Just something the mods can do that is completely and totally unfair.

I give up.

[Sephiroth]

Its not a moderators job to stay away from any topic. Neather do moderators get the luxury of just ignoring problems because they dont fix themselves.

[notbob]

In feedback threads after we get enough input to decide what is the best thing to do in that case it was to simply ditch the idea of messing with post counts at all, as well the messages forum because it wouldnt be needed and therefore also ditch the idea of messing with the recent posts. Mainly because i didnt know for certain that the other moderators couldnt delete threads. Even after that was posted for 2 more pages people kept discussing and complaining about it the proposed ideas even though its not going to happen.


That's crap and you know it

when was the last time a feedback thread led to any real changes that you didn't already have in mind? on useless threads you hand out ballots with only one guy to vote for and then blame us when we complain

all hail king seph

it's not about post counts, it's about you doing whatever you damn well please and saying to hell with the rest of us

[isus]

That's crap and you know it

when was the last time a feedback thread led to any real changes that you didn't already have in mind? on useless threads you hand out ballots with only one guy to vote for and then blame us when we complain

all hail king seph

it's not about post counts, it's about you doing whatever you damn well please and saying to hell with the rest of us
well said, notbob.

[Evil_Dweller_01]

That's crap and you know it

when was the last time a feedback thread led to any real changes that you didn't already have in mind? on useless threads you hand out ballots with only one guy to vote for and then blame us when we complain

all hail king seph

it's not about post counts, it's about you doing whatever you damn well please and saying to hell with the rest of us


Although I really dont care about this anymore...

You have my support on that Notbob, nice post :)

[stealthspy]

That's crap and you know it

when was the last time a feedback thread led to any real changes that you didn't already have in mind? on useless threads you hand out ballots with only one guy to vote for and then blame us when we complain

all hail king seph

it's not about post counts, it's about you doing whatever you damn well please and saying to hell with the rest of us
hehe, Notbob for mod. :-D

Your title sure as hell doesn't lie.

[cheapprick]

If it were a regular person being flamed after the thread were closed, the regular person wouldn't get a final comment. That's my whole point. Just something the mods can do that is completely and totally unfair.

It's not that it's unclear what you mean. You can't post in a topic that is closed, so if you want to make your point you have to make another thread to talk about the previous thread. And that's not encouraged...

but, If someone were to attack you, the mods would step in and stop that person. The thread would be closed and that person warned. Once a thread goes beyond the accepted norms, it's the mods who are supposed to, and do, step in.

Most often, the occurrence you're talking about is a member doing something, often toward a mod, that the other mods see as unnecessary. And so close it. The thing about those threads is that the member is seldom warned. So the original mod often posts what he would have posted before he closed it.

It has to keep happening this way, or else just leave a thread that the second mod felt should be closed, open. And that's not an option.

I realize rereading this that it doesn't look level, but it's better that the other option, of the member being warned, warnings tracked, and the member eventually banned. Then it looks like no member is allowed to voice any dissent against a mod.

[baghdad_steve15]

That's crap and you know it

when was the last time a feedback thread led to any real changes that you didn't already have in mind? on useless threads you hand out ballots with only one guy to vote for and then blame us when we complain

all hail king seph

it's not about post counts, it's about you doing whatever you damn well please and saying to hell with the rest of us

Notbob for governator!

[Sephiroth]

That's crap and you know it

when was the last time a feedback thread led to any real changes that you didn't already have in mind? on useless threads you hand out ballots with only one guy to vote for and then blame us when we complain

all hail king seph

it's not about post counts, it's about you doing whatever you damn well please and saying to hell with the rest of us

You mean the feedback threads that were created because of the ideas that were in mind and didnt come from others here? Im not a mind reader.

You posting this is very hypocrtical since your suggestions about the forum plan was added in and suggestions by others were explored like not including the lounge on the front page. As well as other suggestions as well including not displaying the lounge on the front page and other forum ideas all came from community feedback before.

That thread was about post counts. People like yourself and others wanted to make it about other things and is why nothing in the end gets done because your just resorting to board generalizations and attacks because you cant get everything you want like trolling which is why its always done in the middle of someone else's thread.

[Kevin06906]

Well when someone F's with me and then the thread gets closed...i always use my favorite feature...the PM.....some people here know what i say when i PM them when they piss me off lol.

[notbob]

You mean the feedback threads that were created because of the ideas that were in mind and didnt come from others here? Im not a mind reader.



you don't need to read minds

yours is already made up

that's the whole point--people can type suggestions till their fingers bleed, but the only one who can do anything about them is you

maybe the other mods will cow down to your whims, that's fine i guess. it's pretty easy when they have no real say in the end anyway

[Kooperman]

I'd like to ask the mods why my last thread was deleted as soon as it hit the board? There was no profanity, nothing that should have been deleted.

[Sephiroth]

you don't need to read minds

yours is already made up

that's the whole point--people can type suggestions till their fingers bleed, but the only one who can do anything about them is you

maybe the other mods will cow down to your whims, that's fine i guess. it's pretty easy when they have no real say in the end anyway

So you are implying that i have the ability to read other people's mind then? So you are asking the impossible..

Your point is not valid because suggestions that people have made that are good ones have been added. Your expecting that every suggestion should be which is not only again impossible to do since people do request more of the forum software than what is possible sometimes and not every idea is a good one.

Your not a moderator so you dont know anything so stop pretending that you do.

[Sephiroth]

I'd like to ask the mods why my last thread was deleted as soon as it hit the board? There was no profanity, nothing that should have been deleted.

Maybe when you figure out the best way to ask the mods which isnt in the middle of someone else's thread, try private messaging...

[isus]

sounds to me like seph is getting angry that notbob is right.

"So you are implying that i have the ability to read other people's mind then? So you are asking the impossible.."

i don't think notbob implied that at all. maybe you need to reread his post.

[notbob]

So you are implying that i have the ability to read other people's mind then? So you are asking the impossible..

Your point is not valid because suggestions that people have made that are good ones have been added. Your expecting that every suggestion should be which is not only again impossible to do since people do request more of the forum software than what is possible sometimes and not every idea is a good one.

Your not a moderator so you dont know anything so stop pretending that you do.

just give me a list of changes made to the forum because of suggestions

all i see are a lot of closed threads here in the feedback room with you having the last word

[Kooperman]

Maybe when you figure out the best way to ask the mods which isnt in the middle of someone else's thread, try private messaging...

If I can't ask the mods in an ask the mods thread, then something is pretty rotten in Denmark. This marks a new low for you. If you stoop to censoring our posts and threads like that then this entire forum is a sham, just as your "leadership" has been a sham. You've alienated so many people lately that I can't see how you can maintain any form of respect.

[cheapprick]

No seperate forums for the Fasttrack and Gnutella clients would be one.

However, the thread has been hijacked badly. If nobody wants to comment on Potato's thoughts and continues with any other agenda, it'll just end up closed.

[CCSDUDE]

sounds to me like seph is getting angry that notbob is right.

"So you are implying that i have the ability to read other people's mind then? So you are asking the impossible.."

i don't think notbob implied that at all. maybe you need to reread his post.
It's a classic Sephie-switch-ah-roo....

He tries to attack/belittle or impose his law on others and when they fight back he goes into victim mode.

He did it when he attacked IRC...same with DC and every other power trippin' stand he's made.

Hasn't this been obvious since the day ya'll started here?

[aqlo]

Geez what are we fightin for here? It was a pretty good series of feedback threads, the public got not only the stuff it voted for but eveything else I noticed being fought for seriously. What's left? Make a poll or something if there's some general whim that didn't get noticed.

Potato I see where you are pissed. It is kind of rude to answer personal remarks in a thread regular people can no longer post in. But it didn't really hurt, you had your say with no trouble at all. And I can't help but think I might have some choice rude remarks for my family if they continued to kick me in the ribs for 3 pages after I had already agreed to whatever special conditions they wanted to stick on my lovely chore of cleaning the sewer which was already complicated enough. He didn't, he just finished answering the actual personal remarks as best he could.

Notbob don't hold back, tell us what you really think :gj

[Sephiroth]

No seperate forums for the Fasttrack and Gnutella clients would be one.

However, the thread has been hijacked badly. If nobody wants to comment on Potato's thoughts and continues with any other agenda, it'll just end up closed.

The general computer forum(named General PC Discussion) came from user input in the past and the need for one. As well as the music/movies/games forum. The idea to not count lounge posts on the recent posts came from a user suggestion as well.

The idea to even make over the forums came from some people complaining about the layout also.

Kooperman you were just trolling. First if you want to have a personal discussion with one person then you should pm them not create a thread on the forums and use that as an excuse to flame bait which is what you were doing and is not allowed in the forum rules and your still doing it. I dunno why your doing it since most isnt a issue anymore and has been cleared up.

[Stellar]

Geez what are we fightin for here? It was a pretty good series of feedback threads, the public got not only the stuff it voted for but eveything else I noticed being fought for seriously. What's left? Make a poll or something if there's some general whim that didn't get noticed.

You're right, the battle seems over. But for a minute there it looked pretty bad, for example when the original poll about lounge posts on the front page was closed with Seph saying that the poll didn't matter, and implied he may just change it anyway, (with 80% of us against it).

I think the issue here isn't the specific examples of the last few threads, but just some behavior in general. These kinds of things aren't forgotton overnight. Hopefully though cooler heads will soon prevail and we can go back to business as usual ... whatever that may be.

[Kooperman]

The general computer forum(named General PC Discussion) came from user input in the past and the need for one. As well as the music/movies/games forum. The idea to not count lounge posts on the recent posts came from a user suggestion as well.

The idea to even make over the forums came from some people complaining about the layout also.

Kooperman you were just trolling. First if you want to have a personal discussion with one person then you should pm them not create a thread on the forums and use that as an excuse to flame bait which is what you were doing and is not allowed in the forum rules and your still doing it. I dunno why your doing it since most isnt a issue anymore and has been cleared up.

To imply that an open letter is a personal message is foolish.....and to call what I wrote trolling or flame baiting is also foolish. The point of the post was to inform j.ashton and other infrequent visitors that the term ZP family was not in vogue, as you stated here:http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showpost.php?p=194921&postcount=50
If you are so defensive about your statements that you feel you have to censor references to them, perhaps you should retract those statements.

[Sephiroth]

To imply that an open letter is a personal message is foolish.....and to call what I wrote trolling or flame baiting is also foolish. The point of the post was to inform j.ashton and other infrequent visitors that the term ZP family was not in vogue, as you stated here:http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showpost.php?p=194921&postcount=50
If you are so defensive about your statements that you feel you have to censor references to them, perhaps you should retract those statements.

The point of that post and others you have made were to instigate crap. When its to one person then it is a personal message.

You are also distorting the meaning of what i posted which the point was that some here seem to be a little too obsessed with the senior member community that they dont care or pay attention to others who visit this forum nor the community that extends outside the little circle of senior members here.. You on the other hand are just twisting it to say that im against the community and which isnt true.

[Evil_Dweller_01]

It's a classic Sephie-switch-ah-roo....

He tries to attack/belittle or impose his law on others and when they fight back he goes into victim mode.

He did it when he attacked IRC...same with DC and every other power trippin' stand he's made.

Hasn't this been obvious since the day ya'll started here?


Yes it has :)

[cheapprick]

This is done. It has little to do with Potato's concerns, and it mimics many others lately. It's just turned into more cheap shots.