Another New Linux User [Archive]

g-smooth2k

November 30th, 2003, 10:26 AM

Alright Now I have gotten Linux.
Can I download Internet Explorer for Linux.
cause I am used to using it alot in Windows
Or can I download other browser like
2nd Choice - Crazy Browser
3rd Choice - Opera,
Last 2 Choice - Avant Browser, MyIE2

Can I use Trillian on Linux, or can I use
AIM, ICQ, MSN Messenger, Yahoo Messenger.

Also can I use KaZaA Lite K++, eMule, DC++, Overnet, BT++, or LimeWire.

Any help would be appreciated.

:santa

fernandez

November 30th, 2003, 10:49 AM

Please take a look at the following site, it shows Linux options for
Windows programs.

All of the programs you listed have Linux equivalents.

http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/table.shtml

I hope this helps,

fernandez

g-smooth2k

November 30th, 2003, 11:16 AM

Where is Internet Explorer for Linux
/me wants IE so used to using IE
:finger

What is gcc?
there is like 2.95, 2.96, 3.2

Also what is shared and static?

digitalelph

November 30th, 2003, 11:31 AM

Where is Internet Explorer for Linux
/me wants IE so used to using IE
:finger

What is gcc?
there is like 2.95, 2.96, 3.2

Also what is shared and static?

I`m not that familiar with the Linux OS, but I do know that you will never likely see an IE version for a Linux Distro...They`re competing operating systems and it wouldn`t make sense for MS to support them. If you are having trouble adjusting to the new programs you might be better off staying with your current MS system...Otherwise like the above poster said, there are equivalents for most programs. Hopefully someone here can help u with the Linux part.

Good Luck!

TheScaryOne

November 30th, 2003, 11:54 AM

All else fails us Mozilla Firebird. Still Beta, I don't use it, most plugins don't like it, but hey, it's better than nothing, right?

evilmegaman

November 30th, 2003, 11:59 AM

All else fails us Mozilla Firebird. Still Beta, I don't use it, most plugins don't like it, but hey, it's better than nothing, right?

Notbob has a quote stuck in my head about things being better than nothing.. it's something like if it's better than nothing then it is NOT better than anything at all.

phalkon30

November 30th, 2003, 12:03 PM

Konqueror is the Linux version of IE I believe.

cpugeniusmv

November 30th, 2003, 12:40 PM

Konqueror is the Linux version of IE I believe.
in KDE, essentially...yep.

shawners

November 30th, 2003, 12:41 PM

if your using linux. Get use to not having options, and abilty to do things you did in windows.. IF someone sends you an WORD Document, could it still be opened?

underpaid mo'fo

November 30th, 2003, 02:02 PM

guys i'll be too a linux user in 2days when i get my cds

my questinon is i have 2 hdds one with XP (ntfs) with all my music,docs,vids and shyte.
when i install linux will i still be able to see tht hard drive and will i be able to use my files in linux mostly worried abt the mp3's.
thnx for ya help

btw its Linux Suse i'm getting

Aaron73153

November 30th, 2003, 02:14 PM

IF someone sends you an WORD Document, could it still be opened?

Yes, most distros come with OpenOffice, a MS Office Clone, if not it is free at www.openoffice.org.

when i install linux will i still be able to see tht hard drive and will i be able to use my files in linux mostly worried abt the mp3's

I'm not sure about the latest Suse, but it should support reading from NTFS, you might however have to mount those drives manually, check the documentation for information on how to do it.

Don't expect Linux to be just like your pretty windows that your used do, desktop Linux is still in its infant stages and it was built to be what Windows is not. Free, open, secure and stable.

fernandez

November 30th, 2003, 03:19 PM

Where is Internet Explorer for Linux
/me wants IE so used to using IE
:finger

What is gcc?
there is like 2.95, 2.96, 3.2

Also what is shared and static?

Internet Explorer doesn't have a Linux port. I've read that some people were able to run it under Wine, a program that allows you to run Windows applications on Linux. Keep in mind that Wine has to be heavily configured sometimes.

GCC (Gnu Compiler Collection), as the name implies, is a collection of compilers. http://gcc.gnu.org/. There are several version numbers of it, just as there are versions of various programs.

I'm not sure about "shared" and "static" hopefully someone else might be able to answer.

when i install linux will i still be able to see tht hard drive and will i be able to use my files in linux mostly worried abt the mp3's

You can see your Windows partition as long as your kernel is compiled for ntfs read support. Many distros automount the Windows partition.
SuSE will mount it automatically anyways. You should be able to watch your videos and play all your mp3's. As far as I know, SuSE has a "mutilated" version of mplayer because of copyright issues. Just get rid of it and get the full version from http://www.mplayerhq.hu/

SimbaK2K

November 30th, 2003, 03:32 PM

www.mozilla.org ! Best browser, and multi platform. Grab firebird, dead fast!

Vlet

November 30th, 2003, 07:46 PM

All else fails us Mozilla Firebird. Still Beta, I don't use it, most plugins don't like it, but hey, it's better than nothing, right?

I use Windows 2000 on my laptop and FreeBSD on my desktop ~ Now, while FreeBSD is not Linux, it is very similar to Linux, and many programs are compatible with FreeBSD that run native on Linux. I currently use Standard Mozilla on the BSD system, and Mozilla Firebird on Windows 2000 (a BSD port of Firebird is in the works) and I absolutely love Firebird. I never even touch any other browser any more. It has infinitely more features than IE, and infinitely less security bugs.

Mozilla firebird is available for Linux, and I strongly suggest you use it.

As far as static and shared goes, here is an excerpt from my freeBSD book:

The FHS (Filesystem Heirarchy Standard) sets up two major distinctions that are used to describe directories:

Static vs. variable files Staticfiles don't change very often, but variable files do. For instance, program binary files are considered static, whereas user data files are variable.

Shareable vs. unshareable files It makes sense, under at least some circumstances, to share certain files with other computers, but other files are inherently local in nature and should never be shared. Fir instance, user data files and program files are both potentially shareable, but local configuration files are not shareable.

wonderboy2005

November 30th, 2003, 08:28 PM

if your using linux. Get use to not having options, and abilty to do things you did in windows.. huh? with linux, its just the opposite. there are a dozen apps that do the same thing. for every one of window's apps, there is a seemingly infinite number of programs that do the same thing on linux.

notbob

November 30th, 2003, 08:52 PM

huh? with linux, its just the opposite. there are a dozen apps that do the same thing. for every one of window's apps, there is a seemingly infinite number of programs that do the same thing on linux.

yes infinite numbers of programs you can never use unless you are a hardcore computer guy with a lot of time on your hands, or have a degree in computer science

i don't consider myself a computer moron, but linux app installs baffle me

command line, tar, command switches all that crap is unnecessarily complicated for someone who just wants to do email, internet, and p2p

then, once it is installed, where the hell did it go? how do you run it? the linux i tried, i was able to get to the internet, check mail, install dcgui, but couldn't get it to see my mp3s on non linux partitions

it's seriously more fucking around than it's worth

MP3Pr0

November 30th, 2003, 08:59 PM

Why would you want to use a Micro$oft app on a Linux system? I thought the idea was to get away from that crap.

Linux has potential. It just needs stronger support and more widely-accepted standards. (Being an open-source operating system has the drawback of tons and tons of loose standards.)

crackerjacker

November 30th, 2003, 09:17 PM

Hmm

Microsoft products are used by millions of users and right about now the fact remains that alot of people are computer illiterate and Windows is user friendly for individuals who do not know alot about computers.

I have used linux in the past but I used a dual os and always kept windows on hand. That was in the mid 90s.The issue is Linux is not to friendly for computer illerate individuals and thats no ones fault.

Even if people wanted to use linux it would mean spending a far amount of time reading a manual and learning how to properly set up all the drivers necessary for linux. Well thats how it was years ago. I know there are versions that are user friendly but the point is people will use whats easier for them.

Another thing when first starting out with linux there are alot of considerations that someone should take into consideration. They should make sure their current computer is compatible with certain versions of linux. They should make sure that they have the drivers on hand, before installing linux because if your not going to do a dual boot system then your going to have to make sure your very capable of settings up an internet connection with linux.

And mind you I havent used linux in a very long time but I can assure you that reading is important. And its best to have a dual os system anyways if you wanna access the net.

I mean lets get real it all depends on what you want to use linux for. I mean when i first tried it out, i brought a book and had the distro with the book. But then I switched up and used a different version.

Well theres lots of good information on linux, and you should really join one of those linux groups where u can learn and get help from others with unix.

FrozenShadow23

November 30th, 2003, 09:21 PM

NTFS doesn't work really well with linux. It will soon enough i'm sure, but just not now. If you want a partition that works for both windows and Linux, go with a fat23 partition. If it's just a choice of what partition format to use, stay with one built for linux. As for an IE for linux? yea, it'd just be Konquerer, Mozilla is close... I personally like Opera, I just love those mouse gestures. Have fun with your system and experience everything you can do that you once couldn't, and customize what once had to stay the same when you had windows. You'll have lots of fun and adventure.... lots of adventure

/me 's had too much adventure

PS: the idea isn't to get away from windows native programs, it's to get away from windows. Some windows-based programs just can't be beat. Dreamweaver, Flash.... proggies arn't born evil usually, the OS (windows/mac) just makes em' that way.

phalkon30

November 30th, 2003, 09:39 PM

I'll have to agree with notbob on this one, linux involves too much time. I'd rather not fuck around with it, if I can do the same things on windows.

Linux just isn't ready for the public. A lot of hardware still doesn't have any linux drivers, even for the newer stuff. A lot of people can't even figure out windows either...how the hell are they going to memorize command lines.

I guess I just don't subscribe too heavily to the theory that MS is inherantly evil. I don't agree with everything they do, but I know windows pretty well, it works great for me. I have no desire to switch.

Mr. Mainstream

November 30th, 2003, 10:14 PM

Vlet

November 30th, 2003, 10:29 PM

Linux Is Crap. I tried about 7-8 distros and found Red Hat best because it was the only one that worked with my modem. still with red hat being the best it was still shit. took about 1hr to find cd burning software that works with my Cd burner and make it install. when i did find one i had 2 go online and follow a guide to configue it. God Linux Sucks.

So, does an electron microscope suck? I doubt you could operate one of them either, but that doesn't mean they suck. Linux has a purpose, and it's purpose was not the solution for your needs.

I do however strongly suggest FreeBSD over Linux. The differences are hard to explain, but just as a quick note, I suggest anyone thinking about installing Linux (and I mean INSTALLING it, not just putting in the CD and hoping everything magically works) reads up on BSD first.

g-smooth2k

November 30th, 2003, 11:19 PM

How do I install Opera on Linux?
there is a file by the name of opera-6.12-20030305.4-shared-qt.i386.tar.gz or .rpm
/me needs a little help with install

fernandez

December 1st, 2003, 04:26 AM

How do I install Opera on Linux?
there is a file by the name of opera-6.12-20030305.4-shared-qt.i386.tar.gz or .rpm
/me needs a little help with install

Rpm's are slightly easier to install.
From command line do the following:

1. change to the directory where your rpm is stored
2. type "su" enter password
3. as root type "rpm -Uvh opera-version-number.rpm"
4. log out of root by typing "exit"
5. run opera by typing "opera" from command line or make an icon on your desktop.

Edit: Don't forget to use your Distro specific rpm's. You'll find most rpm's here
http://www.rpmseek.com/

g-smooth2k

December 1st, 2003, 01:36 PM

Rpm's are slightly easier to install.
From command line do the following:

1. change to the directory where your rpm is stored
2. type "su" enter password
3. as root type "rpm -Uvh opera-version-number.rpm"
4. log out of root by typing "exit"
5. run opera by typing "opera" from command line or make an icon on your desktop.

Edit: Don't forget to use your Distro specific rpm's. You'll find most rpm's here
http://www.rpmseek.com/

What about .tar.gz

lizardsforall

December 1st, 2003, 01:48 PM

That's linux's version if the zip file. you have to "un-tar" the file, but it has been a while since i have done so. try in the command window, "tar /?" or "tar help".

if all else fails, go to konquerer, then to google and ask!

Atheist Icon

December 1st, 2003, 03:53 PM

in the command line, type: "man tar" that should get you in the manual for how to tar and untar files. I only know gzip, but that should get you in the right direction.

Vlet

December 1st, 2003, 04:10 PM

What about .tar.gz

try (going from memory, so I can't remember if this is exactly right) ...

tar -xvf WhateverYourFileNameIs.tar.gz
cd WhateverYourFileNameIs
./configure
make
make install

wonderboy2005

December 1st, 2003, 04:30 PM

yes infinite numbers of programs you can never use unless you are a hardcore computer guy with a lot of time on your hands, or have a degree in computer science

i don't consider myself a computer moron, but linux app installs baffle me

command line, tar, command switches all that crap is unnecessarily complicated for someone who just wants to do email, internet, and p2p

then, once it is installed, where the hell did it go? how do you run it? the linux i tried, i was able to get to the internet, check mail, install dcgui, but couldn't get it to see my mp3s on non linux partitions

it's seriously more fucking around than it's worth
i completely agree. thats why MS is still king. its simple enough to be used by the masses, yet not overly limiting.

Vlet

December 1st, 2003, 06:27 PM

King of what though :-P

notbob

December 1st, 2003, 07:21 PM

in the way that mcdonalds or burger king are the king of hamburgers--they aren't the best, but they are everywhere, and they make a lot of burgers, their system is dumbed down so that even the most complete morons can work for them, they even have picture menus for the illiterate

multi

December 8th, 2003, 10:22 PM

lol...notbob thats a pretty apt analogy..

use what you find is the best for you..the lastest kde desktops though are quite easy to use windows style..in the case of gzips and tarballs i just navigate to them in the file browser (they come up as a folder usually)
go inside it copy the folder inside and then copy that to desktop,home..etc*

there was a lot of buggy stuff in some distros i tried too..say 2years ago..just about did my nut in with linux..reinstalling it everytime i screwed 1 thing up...but it really grows on you..

in retrospect it would of taken the same time and patience to get comfortable using linux as it did going thru the M$ OS's like win3.1thru 95,98,98SE,ME..wich was'nt exactly a user friendly joyride..

good to read every how to and info u can get..

*not etc the directory(unless it tells you too) :D

Lucian

December 9th, 2003, 12:21 AM

why use an inferior browser like IE? If you really want IE for linux you can pay a company for the port. Code Weavers released the cross over plugin allowing you to run IE.

But I suggest you get Mozilla or Netscape.

g-smooth2k

January 20th, 2004, 04:30 PM

Does any browser of Linux offer support for ActiveX, Java2, Flash, and Shockwave??
Not sure if Konqueror or Mozilla supports those plug-ins.

cpugeniusmv

January 20th, 2004, 08:15 PM

Does any browser of Linux offer support for ActiveX, Java2, Flash, and Shockwave??
Not sure if Konqueror or Mozilla supports those plug-ins.
Java 2...yep
Flash...yep
Shockwave...yep
however, mozilla can't do activex

i think that is a technology that only IE supports.

shawners

January 20th, 2004, 10:30 PM

all im saying is if someone sends you something in word or doc file, and can linux open it, or buy a new pc game and that if you do something in linux, can others with windows see it or view it.?

cpugeniusmv

January 20th, 2004, 11:28 PM

all im saying is if someone sends you something in word or doc file, and can linux open it, or buy a new pc game and that if you do something in linux, can others with windows see it or view it.?
for opening office documents: http://www.openoffice.org

comes with most distributions already.

from there...your post makes no sense to me :mellow

"can other windows see it or view it" ?

Dividend

January 20th, 2004, 11:44 PM

I hear WineX does a decent job on the Windows games. And if there's one thing to know about Windows is that there is a tool to read pretty much every file format. Linux/Mac/Windows compatibility isn't really that bad these days, and pretty much everything designed with the internet in mind will have some degree of cross-platform compatibility.