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Sephiroth

November 28th, 2003, 02:02 PM

The definitive poll. Made it public so that no one can cheat the poll by using second names...

Personally i think that the front page is for file sharing and the recent posts box ought to reflect that by not displaying the lounge posts. All it would mean would be a link to the view new posts could be added and people would just have to use that which i dont think is a big inconvience or a big deal.

Since last time some people got confused or cant read but this is not a poll to get rid of the lounge, nor is it a poll of getting rid of the recent posts. Its just a poll to see if the lounge posts should be displayed in the recent posts box on the front page as they are now or they shouldnt and that the recent posts should just have file sharing threads in it.

shawners

November 28th, 2003, 02:06 PM

IF it aint broken, why fix it? =)

Sephiroth

November 28th, 2003, 02:09 PM

IF it aint broken, why fix it? =)

It wouldnt be "fixin" it. It would be improving it... That and it would target people would visit this site to view the forums more because people come to be file sharing site for file sharing.

view new posts is much better if you want to keep up on more than just the last 10 recent posts. Its what we(the moderators) use..

crackerjacker

November 28th, 2003, 02:17 PM

crackerjacker

November 28th, 2003, 02:19 PM

how about this?
making a forum for riaa bitch threadss as well?

aqlo

November 28th, 2003, 02:22 PM

I also use the "new posts" extensively along with the real "search button", but I'm still leaning toward not trying to hide anybody. If they want filesharing posts so bad they can post some.

Feel free to set me straight though :tilted if you can.

I just see 8 or 9 posts on most filesharing topics and 5 or 6 pages on things filesharers actually enjoy.

The Hunter

November 28th, 2003, 02:32 PM

It has long been a pet peve of mine that lounge threads are shown on the front page, often with titles that IMHO that are not suitable there. Similar to the requests to remove the T shirt girl for the same reason. I am not a prude, far from it, but I feel it will clean up the front page a bit.

Stellar

November 28th, 2003, 02:35 PM

I still don't really understand why you want to hide it.

Where is the problem? You think people interested in p2p issues do not want to see other things. Maybe I don't get it, but I can't help feeling this is a vendetta you have against certain users.

I am burned out on it anyway. I don't mean to sound like I'm taking it too personally but if this is not a forum where my kinds of topics are wanted then I'm certain I can find another.

You win. Maybe. It does look like this poll is going our direction though.

The Hunter

November 28th, 2003, 02:42 PM

It is not a matter of hiding it as much as responding to people complaining about it. Seph is doing the right thing by bringing it to you the members for a vote.

cheapprick

November 28th, 2003, 02:46 PM

It is not a matter of hiding it as much as responding to people complaining about it. Seph is doing the right thing by bringing it to you the members for a vote.

I agree.

It would keep the site looking cleaner for those who post from work, so I'll vote "no".

origin

November 28th, 2003, 02:52 PM

I say leave it is as is.

l8

Stellar

November 28th, 2003, 03:17 PM

Seph is doing the right thing by bringing it to you the members for a vote.

Yes, I agree.

rainbowdemon

November 28th, 2003, 04:21 PM

I like it the way it is.

Krell

November 28th, 2003, 05:03 PM

I have never wanted the lounge on the front page, and for that matter, anyone tha is not a member shouldnt see it either !

Malicious Intent

November 28th, 2003, 05:40 PM

Should lounge threads appear on the recent posts on the front page?
Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes!

EDIT: Changed my mind - I agree with what Method77 is about to post:

method77

November 28th, 2003, 06:03 PM

whether you like it or not, this is a file sharing "community". This is a ----->FORUM<-----. A forum includes a lounge section. It's for members like me to post any funny or relaxing threads that makes our lips smile. Zeropaid has less lounge threads that any public forums i've seen so far (word assosiation, quess who's next...etc...etc..) so this is not a problem imo. If you guys want to read "serious" threads ONLY you should mention that when a user signs up. "THIS IS A SERIOUS THREAD FORUM ONLY AND ANY NON FILESHARING POSTS WILL BE DELETED". How is that?

anyway... the results agree with me.

Krell

November 28th, 2003, 08:00 PM

I'm not sure who the "you" is as to liking it or not. As far as I see it, the question is not whether there should BE a lounge, but whether or not it should be on the FRONT page.

I'm all for the lounge, never had a moments thought about it, other than, for non Zero Paid people, its NON of their F**** business!

Every single day, at any one time, there are bots datamining the threads for google etc etc. Last night, there were twice as many bots on as there were members. Some of the discussions in the lounge, include information that is better not left to joe public.

You want tech help or filesharing information fine, but if you want to participate in the very personal threads that we enjoy in the lounge, then SIGN UP.

Potato

November 28th, 2003, 08:45 PM

I think it's fine the way it is... there's always an exception, but who's to say that someone won't post something inappropriate somewhere else so it appears on the front page?

If it is decided to take the lounge posts off the front page, I think it would only be fitting to rename that little area... something other than "Recent Posts", because really, it wouldn't be accurate.

DudeAsInCool

November 28th, 2003, 08:58 PM

I think the Recent Posts should correspond to the forum page, along with heading subdivisions, so people can look at the recent posts and go to the section that interests them most, whether that be the lounge, or P2P politics, or whatever.

Since that suggestion isnt in the poll, I've voted for leaving it as it is.

Ken17625

November 28th, 2003, 09:24 PM

baghdad_steve15

November 28th, 2003, 09:32 PM

I really dont care, but if most other members want the Lounge posts there, I will vote with them.

shawners

November 28th, 2003, 09:38 PM

Krell is right once again. Forums should be inviting, but when your a member you should have full access.. Non members should be allowed to access certain things.. That will bring more people signing up.

Sephiroth

November 28th, 2003, 09:55 PM

Shouldn't one of the options just be a simple "No", instead of "No it should list the file sharing related threads only"?

What about the windows forum? What about digital news (which may not directly, or at all refer to file sharing)?

I voted no anyway, because I can read "Sephirothese". Really though, a simple "Should the lounge posts appear on the recent posts, on the front page?", would have sufficed; coupled with "Yes", "No", and "I don't care" choices.

Im sorry that it seems that many other people are either dense or just cant read and are still somehow believe that this is a poll on whether to ditch the lounge which i even posted that it isnt and that is why i had those choices and even though i explained the purpose of this poll three times now the same people still dont get it.. Ill respond to one of the many people now..

whether you like it or not, this is a file sharing "community". A forum includes a lounge section.

So the people who visit the front page are not included in this
"community" then? How do you think that they have herd about zeropaid and visit this site? Because your kinda saying that the lounge threads should stay on the front page because so many people on the front page come here just for the lounge posts which we all know is not true. And in fact is the arguement by many people here.

Which the issue is not about the louge itself and i wonder why you and others keep assuming that I dont think its more possible to me any more clearer than its not about the lounge forum at all its about what gets displayed in the recent post box on the front page. So please let me know, how that confuses you.

Kevin06906

November 28th, 2003, 10:30 PM

Yeah, keep the lounge posts on the recent list.

People like seeing recent posts about new fun topics like Michael Jackson, political issues, video games...music...artists....etc.

Sephiroth

November 28th, 2003, 10:43 PM

People like seeing recent posts about new fun topics like Michael Jackson, political issues, video games...music...artists....etc.

What about "community" threads that are absent from your list? I doubt that people who dont know anyone would be interested in those yet they make up most of the "fun" topics in that they make up half the louge nowadays.

Kevin06906

November 28th, 2003, 10:51 PM

I'm making up any random idea here.

But what about making a recent post area for "File Sharing Only" and a recent post area for "lounge threads"?

DudeAsInCool

November 28th, 2003, 10:55 PM

I agree, Kevin. Recent posts by categories would be handy for all the users.

Ken17625

November 28th, 2003, 10:57 PM

Im sorry that it seems that many other people are either dense or just cant read and are still somehow believe that this is a poll on whether to ditch the lounge

Who is dense?

I was able to translate your babble correctly. I know it isn't about ditching the lounge. Reread my post. I simply stated that the choices in the poll were not accurately covering the possibilities, and would "suggest" that things like the Windows forum, would be excluded from the recent posts list, as it may not have anything to do with P2P, thus not being a p2p related thread.

I dont think its more possible to me any more clearer

Make it stop, make it stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sephiroth

November 28th, 2003, 11:08 PM

Who is dense?

I was able to translate your babble correctly. I know it isn't about ditching the lounge. Reread my post. I simply stated that the choices in the poll were not accurately covering the possibilities, and would "suggest" that things like the Windows forum, would be excluded from the recent posts list, as it may not have anything to do with P2P, thus not being a p2p related thread.

Make it stop, make it stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In that case i think you are ignoring the question that was asked. I didn't call you dense but after your reply you are pretty dense.

Ok ill break it down for you and anyone else.

The louge is a forum here.
The forum section that the louge is in is called Zeropaid Insight and includes all the other general discussion forums as well.

So when i talk about the louge i mean the forum. When i talk about the section or zeropaid insight i mean them all. I dont think that qualifies as babble and its not my fault that you and others do not know the difference between the two and then people want to bitch to me about a nonexistant problem because they dont know what the hell a section on a forum is.

Of course i didnt think i had to explain that difference to the "community" and it wasnt suggested or hinted at all as you claim.

Oh no late night on a friday i mess up one word in a post. Im sorry that it caused your universe to crumble i really am.

On a unreleated topic i dont think that having categories is the answer because it would just ultimately confuse things as it did on the forums and there is no reason to have a category when a simple link to the view new posts for the lazy ones could just be added and would link everyone to all of the new posts on the forums meaning the only difference is that 22 out of the thousands that visit this site daily would have to click a link but since that would inconvience them sooo much, its really a moot point since it doesnt look like that it will be done.

Krell

November 28th, 2003, 11:59 PM

the only difference is that 22 out of the thousands that visit this site daily would have to click a link but since that would inconvience them sooo much, its really a moot point since it doesnt look like that it will be done.

I honestly thought that last year you would give up on trying to make sensible improvements here based on logic. If you had any restrictions on the way the public has access here, then every moron and his cousin couldnt come in and tell us how to run thing could they? But then again, that's the way jorge likes it, at least thats what he says, once a year.

.

DudeAsInCool

November 29th, 2003, 12:32 AM

a simple link to the view new posts for the lazy ones could just be added and would link everyone to all of the new posts on the forums meaning the only difference is that 22 out of the thousands that visit this site daily would have to click a link .

Dosnt sound like the end of the world - would a Lounge Link on the front page satisfy people as a compromise?

CTC Command

November 29th, 2003, 12:36 AM

For those of us (like myself) with slow-ass dial-up connections, scanning through the recent posts on the front page when we login is a quick way to join in whatever discussion is currently raging. Like this one, which caught my eye and I clicked onto from the front page without having to go to the "forums" page and then the "lounge" (or in this case "feedback") and then onto the thread itself, a process that can take anywhere from 20 seconds to over a minute, depending. I know that may sound whiny, but I challenge anyone here used to their cable modem to try my frikkin' Earthlink connection whizzing along at 38000kps on a good night and not think a minute is a long time.

I voted before reading the entire thread; and after reading through it all I still think this is a stupid poll but I do think Krell's suggestion about restricting non-members and dataminer bots from accessing the forums wouldn't be a terrible thing. I remember about 8 or 9 months ago when a bunch of us googled our ZP user names. Mine didn't come up until 7 or 8 pages in--now it's the second link on the first page...

Hey Ken, your piss is at least 4 inches higher up the wall than Sephy's! Good practice for writing your name in the snow...

Sephiroth

November 29th, 2003, 01:26 AM

Its that lame sexy spam thread that you all wanted to save so badly which is what caused the spiders to show up here in the first place. Which other forums have had more bots showing up on them too.

The news posts page is all text so i dont buy the it will slow dial up users too badly reason. You click the find new post, it searches which is fast and then you click the link and your in the thread. Your talking about a few second inconvience as you have to click the link, like this one (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/search.php?do=getnew) and then get all the new posts that have been posted since your last visit. And there is more than 15 new posts most of the time so you would actually be seeing all of the new posts that have been made since you last visited.

method77

November 29th, 2003, 04:41 AM

Its that lame sexy spam thread that you all wanted to save so badly which is what caused the spiders to show up here in the first place. Which other forums have had more bots showing up on them too.
you are right about the spiders part. You could of stopped that thread in the beginning tho. That was indeed the dumbest posts ever made.
Having to register to view the forums is not a bad idea. It solves a lot of problems including the spiders part.

aqlo

November 29th, 2003, 06:45 AM

I still think there is some serious misrepresentation going on here, and yet a ton of people have been smart enough to see through it. So, for reference, here are the last 10 lounge threads bumped:
hosting -- which service? (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=16556)
Let's see those desktops (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=12818)
Spam Rage (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=16506)
Hard drive help (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=16554)
post poems here (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=16475)
Today's Daily Thought (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=10306)
European Dance Floor Chart (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=16530)
3k2 (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=16535)
Happy Thanksgiving (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=16513)
testing (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=15327)

Out of these the ones you seem to be objecting to are the poetry, the daily thought, the 3000 posts, the Thanksgiving, and the extremely-helpful forum recovery. And to suppress those we have to give up the dance floor and the spam, the desktops, the hosting and the hard drive help. That's right, to get rid of Hunter, Crackerjacker, Isus, and Crazy Horse, we should also cleanse the front page of filesharers' desktop configurations, hard drive help for somebody who is depending on us, attitudes about spam, a selection of hosting services, and a guide to a music genre.

I don't believe this is correct.

I'm betting this is more about the so-called VIP Lounge, which is carefully unmentioned but certainly included, and where a tiny war for speech is being consistently and patiently fought against moderators who seem to be flaming for some reason. So here they are:
The Real Dog Meat (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=16465)
If You Could Travel in Time (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=16462)
Purpose of this forum (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=12276)
But but the Hunter ! (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=16464)
Boy Sold to Vietnamese Restaraunt as Dog Meat (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=16456)
GP32 (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=16344)
What you already know about spyware ... right? (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=16315)
The Da Vinci Code (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=16179)
What do you - Americans - think about the price the us is paying in iraq in lives? (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=16318)
Why Apple sucks (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=16106)

Here the really objectionable ones are a cannibalism thread that was flamed out of existence by opposing voices of authority and re-opened simultaneously in parallel, plus a resulting argument about the very purpose of the forum. Oh and also some time-travel. So for that we need to get rid of an extremely-topical look at religion, war, music services, hand-held computing, and spyware.

I don't buy it.

Stop flaming threads closed. Stop logging in as "criminal sniper" when nothing else works. Start renaming threads if you really can't bear particular words and maybe handing out some of these temp bans to people who are really asking for them after being warned.

And stop calling us stupid.

Induna

November 29th, 2003, 07:10 AM

*laughs*

Well observed aglo.

crackerjacker

November 29th, 2003, 08:13 AM

Well if the poll concludes that the lounge posts should remain on the front page I wonder will it be as such.

Personally if the lounge thread isnt on the front page to me it would kind of suck because I think its only fair to have all posts from all forums on the front page.

This is because of the idea of random posts in many different catagories make it a good blend on this forum. Well thats the way I see it.

Others may agree and that is there right, but how is removing the lounge posts going to make a difference. It really isnt. It will seem dull to me to have everything in a structured manner especially when random posts is a good thing.
It gives variety to the site. But hey thats just the way I see it.
whatever way it ends up, hmm thats the way it will be.

Kevin06906

November 29th, 2003, 08:45 AM

Well if you really want to clean house on this site...then i would have a head start on deleting those "Members" that had 0 posts for like a year.

DudeAsInCool

November 29th, 2003, 10:12 AM

I think Aglo makes some very good points. Very observant and well-written. Wow... But the good news here in this debate is that people care and are passionate about their beliefs. It's all meant for the betterment of the site.

wingnut2600

November 29th, 2003, 10:10 PM

Yes they should. I like them there... even though I do usually come to ZP through the "check new posts links" bookmark that I have. Then again... I am on a slow online connection in So Cal at this particular moment and checked the "new posts" on the front page...

I think they should stay where they are at.

The frog thanks you...
:fire

Ken17625

November 29th, 2003, 10:37 PM

Hey Ken, your piss is at least 4 inches higher up the wall than Sephy's! Good practice for writing your name in the snow...

I'm actually very disappointed in my performance. I was aiming for at least 8 inches, minimum.

And my snow "hand"writing resembles chicken scratch.............(or is it piss?).

Sephiroth

November 29th, 2003, 11:53 PM

I'm betting this is more about the so-called VIP Lounge, which is carefully unmentioned but certainly included, and where a tiny war for speech is being consistently and patiently fought against moderators who seem to be flaming for some reason.

Your are also wrong about that the mods who second name and bait people. I looked over the krell and rickio dispute and krell in all fairness did start with it, even though rickio probably shouldnt have continued on with it. But that is no reason to make an big deal out of it.

You dont have any real proof other than your little list of threads many are duplicates of releated to one incident or they dont prove anything at all. Just like your clams that mods are using second names to "bait" people which you have no poof of that either because its not done. So your just instigating shit yet again and i suggest you knock it off.

To those who are confused this isnt a debate this is merely to provide feedback to get the current state of opinions and is not binding at all. Nor do i need a majority vote which isnt what is important, the reasons behind it are much more important and in comparison of other threads like this in the past the majority reason for keeping it as it is are pretty weak and have just become way off topic and unproductive. Which is why im closing this thread.