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Korn377135678
November 24th, 2003, 11:10 PM
I think its thier worst album,people said untouchables was too soft ,but atleast that was listenable.This sounds like untouchables but they were "trying" to be harder.I really doubt this cd will grow on me.

ASUmusicMAN
November 24th, 2003, 11:28 PM
Wouldn't know...i'm not a big Korn guy...but i'm sorry one of your favorite bands released a crappy album. Personally, i'm a big Blink 182 fan, and their new album, is uh...different to say the least...only time will tell I guess.

baghdad_steve15
November 24th, 2003, 11:37 PM
I think Korn lost it when they released Issues. Issues sucked.

XtraNtnse
November 25th, 2003, 12:15 AM
Complete has beens

shawners
November 25th, 2003, 05:30 AM
Korn may not of did what many bands are doing today, so the album will sound bad and different. I say have a copy in your car, play it loud and see if it grows on you. SO many bands of today recycle the same sound or whawt made them famious where you grow sick and old of them. So reinventing themselfs before you get sick of them can make an album sound bad.

Criminal_Sniper
November 25th, 2003, 05:32 AM
ive been long time korn fan they rock
the best it the first issues is the worst but god still

bands that have shit for a while are greenday and silverchair

and motley crue are hasbeen korn have only been aroud since 93/4

they are not a britney or justin lol that guys a fag or eminem wanna be (check that pathetic nelly song) hahaha

korns cover of metallica's one is awesome
u people need to listen not listen to the first 10 secs n go i dont klike that

DeweyBear
November 25th, 2003, 06:39 AM
korn needs to realize that the we're tired of them whining
they need to change things up a bit

Ken17625
November 25th, 2003, 08:36 AM
Korn is a one sound, screamer band.

End of story.

Juggalo15
November 25th, 2003, 10:05 AM
hahahahahahahahaha, Korn a screamer band...man ken you need to get out a little more. Korn is far from a screamer band...try The Blood Brothers, some Thrice(sometimes) A.F.F.R, Few Left Standing, Sky Came Falling...also if you would listen to it, any person who lisetens to a type of hard-core music Metal/Rock/Black Metal/Death Metal/ect.(which korn is not i mention again) they will tell you they all sound diff to them. If anything I would put now-a-days korn under nu-metal.

origin
November 25th, 2003, 10:43 AM
Korn was better earlier in there carrier. I had a chance to download the album It was ALRIGHT but there older albums were definitely a whole lot better. they might need to quit while they are ahead :P

l8

Siskabush
November 25th, 2003, 10:51 AM
I think the new album is pretty good
At least they got the downtoned bass guitar sound.
It sounds good in my car i must say...

Kevin06906
November 25th, 2003, 12:54 PM
Yeah, Korn is awesome..and they will always be awesome.

I just can't wait until SLipknot comes back.

Netaku
November 25th, 2003, 01:48 PM
KoRn's first album showed potential, but then it was pretty much a downhill ride from there. I WAS really into them, but that was in middle school. I didn't know any better :\.

Jon Davis is a whiney asshole who sounds like a faggot banshee when he tries to sing. God I hate that guy, such pretentious bullshit...

Danzig would whup his ass.

Kevin06906
November 25th, 2003, 02:02 PM
I didn't like the first album really...the only songs i liked were Ball Tongue, Blind and Clown.

I liked "Life is Peachy" and "Issues" and "Follow the Leader".

My fav was Untouchables.

The new album...i dunno....some songs are pretty good.

PuNiShErKiLl666
November 25th, 2003, 02:07 PM
Yeah, Korn is awesome..and they will always be awesome.

I just can't wait until SLipknot comes back.


From what I heard Slipknot is done after one more album which would really suck. But that is just what I heard.

CCSDUDE
November 25th, 2003, 02:26 PM
Korn is a one sound, screamer band.

End of story.

What Ken really meant: Fuck Korn! Tool 0wnz j00!

I tend to agree....Korn is god awful...I've yet to get pumped up by a Korn song and the actual 'music' behind their awful lyrics leaves much to be desired.

Tool on the other hand...fucking awsome.

Psilaxs
November 25th, 2003, 03:23 PM
hahahahahahahahaha, Korn a screamer band...man ken you need to get out a little more. Korn is far from a screamer band...try The Blood Brothers, some Thrice(sometimes) A.F.F.R, Few Left Standing, Sky Came Falling...also if you would listen to it, any person who lisetens to a type of hard-core music Metal/Rock/Black Metal/Death Metal/ect.(which korn is not i mention again) they will tell you they all sound diff to them. If anything I would put now-a-days korn under nu-metal.


No, Korn IS a screamer band, very sad what gets passed off as singing these days. No, I retract that, they are a glorified, pitty me, self loathing, because my mommy and daddy hate me screamer band. Which is music for the "angst" ridden child who want to freak out their parental units or be "defiant" of them.

Undying Wizard NHD
November 25th, 2003, 03:29 PM
I hate Korn all of thier stuff, I hate mostly all new metal bands, - have alot of friends that like em tho

go get yourself a morbid angle album, a carcass album, and sodom album now thats some wicked metal

Korn377135678
November 28th, 2003, 08:24 PM
Atleast i know a few people agree with me.The reviews i have been reading go along the lines of best album ever or much more like thier self titled cd.Bah. Anyway later.

Durum
November 28th, 2003, 09:00 PM
I've been listening to Korn on and off since 97'. The first 2 albums are the best. Follow the leader and Issues are decent. Untouchables sucks however. TALIM is better than Untouchables, however the sound is exactly the same. Futhermore, the refrain in Alive is very similar to Need To, which explains one or two. No more originality.
However I disagree that it's a screamer band. You can't use the label "screamer" because most metal vocalists scream and growl.It's too broead as a term. Korn is a pioneer of nu(not new)-metal.
I've given up on them, although they had a huge influence on many years ago.
They will probably never be as good as they used to be, becaus they use the "success" formula (take something that has been successful and reuse it). Major record labels don't think about music anymore, but about marketing. Linkin Park proved to be successful that's why you have so many sound-alike bands in US ate the moment.
Nu metal has been corrupted and I blame Fred Durst and co. for all this. Hopefully if it becomes unpopular, it will reinvent itself.
Some people have thought that Evanescence type of metal will be the new trend. However it's not something new. Evanescence is a total rip off of Lacuna Coil, as many of you probably know already.
In short: The industry creates the trends and create or promote bands according to the trends. I'm not good at predictions, but soon there will be Evanescence clones all over. Finished. My music preferences are under my profile :bk

baghdad_steve15
November 28th, 2003, 10:01 PM
Untouchables was a sad attempt to get back on MTV.

bullsonparade
November 28th, 2003, 10:20 PM
korn sucks
slipknot sucks

children of bodom, cradle of filth, and cannibal corpse are great bands
and cant forget good ol rage against the machine

ditto_n
November 28th, 2003, 10:29 PM
ive recently been seeking for better music then what has been built on me. The first band i realy took as my own was A perfect circle, from there i moved to tool because of the mynard conection. Ive also been adding classics into the mix too, Iron Maiden ive offically labed a s0x0r r0x0r, they kick so much ass.

k0rn ive never realy gotten into, their music just has no meaning to me. Rage has to be one of the best bands ever, but im yet to listen to any filth.

My gf realy likes slipknot and ive never seen anything special about them, Wait and Bleed was pretty good, but thats all ive heard that i liked.

Kevin06906
November 28th, 2003, 10:36 PM
Korn and Slipknot are awesome. You kidding me? Wait and Bleed sucked..and everything else was awesome.

Nvm, i listened to the whole new album of Korn and its cool..there still good as always.

Slipknot needs to make a new appearance and it will be all good.

cuwerewolf
November 28th, 2003, 10:48 PM
Finally. I didn't want to say anything on the Korn boards because those people are insane. I sort of agree with a few people here. I'm not much for garage sounds. I liked the first album. I hated Life is Peachy. The 3 that followed were pretty good. At least I liked them a lot. But this last album is just as bad as Life is Peachy. Only one song has a good feel to it and it sounds suspiciously similar to a song on the first album.

I tried playing it loud in the car and that made it worse. Jon Daivs sounds like he shouted himself hoarse. It just doesn't sound right. BTW. I'm still waiting for them to release those Jon Davis versions of the Queen of the Damned songs. Those songs kicked ass.

Kevin06906
November 28th, 2003, 10:55 PM
Untouchables was a sad attempt to get back on MTV.

Bro, Untouchables was the only cd that Korn made that i liked every song. All those songs are awesome.

ditto_n
November 29th, 2003, 09:27 AM
Kevin, after your past two replys, i have found that your taste in music sucks, look at some good music bro, if your realy a music fanatic, youll find somthing good someday. Wait and Bleed was good because the lyrics had a haunting story, yet the music was still rythmic, unlike everyother slipknot song ive heard. Its like metallica and st. anger, everyother album of metallica's was good cause they were hard, and fast, AND RYTHMIC. St. Anger has NO rythem at all. So find some good music, take a look at the good 80's thrash to find what slipknot is TRYING to sound like, yet thrash does it without needing 10 people to astablish some speed. Music without rythem is not music, its noise, you need rythem to make a song.

LOL i just looked at your sig, that explaines everything! ^^ (im an athiest btw)

Netaku
November 29th, 2003, 09:53 AM
God damn it, fuck Slipknot. They're a pussy version of Slayer and 80's thrash in general. There are much harder, more skilled bands out there.

Shit, listen to Otep. That chick has a harder, better voice than Corey from Slipknot.

Ken17625
November 29th, 2003, 09:56 AM
hahahahahahahahaha, Korn a screamer band...man ken you need to get out a little more. Korn is far from a screamer band...try The Blood Brothers, some Thrice(sometimes) A.F.F.R, Few Left Standing, Sky Came Falling...also if you would listen to it, any person who lisetens to a type of hard-core music Metal/Rock/Black Metal/Death Metal/ect.(which korn is not i mention again) they will tell you they all sound diff to them. If anything I would put now-a-days korn under nu-metal.



Korn is a one sound, screamer band..................with no talent.

Satisfied?

Omyn
November 29th, 2003, 09:57 AM
Hey everyone, I wrote my own lyrics for korn check this out, I think it has a lot of potential.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh! Libalah, wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
FIHFSD! FIHFSD! FIHFSD! NOTBOB !
FIHFSD! FIHFSD! FIHFSD! NOTBOB !
Wahhhhhhhh Waaaaaaah libalah Wahhhhhhhhh Waaaaaaaaaaaah


Oh yeah, I know you liked it didnt you It would make the RIAA proud to be putting out such a great song like that, definitally going to be a classic one day.

Kevin06906
November 29th, 2003, 10:27 AM
LOL i just looked at your sig, that explaines everything! ^^ (im an athiest btw)

lol, another disrespectful atheist...what? You wanna take down my cross from my signature or what? Getting jealous that i have it up or something? Well....good...shows how much you have respect for Christianity.

Anyway...Metallica always sucked...Korn and Slipknot are just unstoppable.

Omyn
November 29th, 2003, 11:24 AM
Kevin, You didnt tell me if you liked my new song or not...

Comeon its great I think but I want other peoples opinions as well.

I hope I get some money for it, maybe even a Twinky or something.

Kevin06906
November 29th, 2003, 11:57 AM
Kevin, You didnt tell me if you liked my new song or not...

Comeon its great I think but I want other peoples opinions as well.

I hope I get some money for it, maybe even a Twinky or something.

lol, well you see...Korn wouldn't go that low and put "notbob" in their lyrics. j/k man.

Omyn...you know you like the screaming and the heavy playing...that's what makes it so cool.

ditto_n
November 29th, 2003, 02:44 PM
No i dont want you to take down your cross, i want you to actualy think about the religion your basing your life around. If christianity didnt exist, and some guy rand up to you on the street with a book in his hand saying that it would give light to life. You open the book and see storys of virgin births, floods that cover the whole earth with just 1 man put to save all the animals, and a place in the sky where all people go when they die, you would believe him? Yea its bulllshit man, its a fictional story ment to scare children, your too old for invisible friends.

Psilaxs
November 29th, 2003, 02:54 PM
No i dont want you to take down your cross, i want you to actualy think about the religion your basing your life around. If christianity didnt exist, and some guy rand up to you on the street with a book in his hand saying that it would give light to life. You open the book and see storys of virgin births, floods that cover the whole earth with just 1 man put to save all the animals, and a place in the sky where all people go when they die, you would believe him? Yea its bulllshit man, its a fictional story ment to scare children, your too old for invisible friends.


This really isn't the thread to be discussing this. If you feel the need to berate someone for their faith, do so in Private Messege.

Omyn, That was a perfect example of new "music"

bullsonparade
November 29th, 2003, 10:04 PM
ok listen everyone
korn is a band where johnathan davis had "mental issues" cause kids picked on him in school. he was too puss to fight back, thats why he sings this crap. and korn just sucks...they just blow...really bad

Korn377135678
November 29th, 2003, 10:59 PM
All ready to your band sucks and mine rules thread. :mellow
Oh well what i expect from trolls and fucking morons who cant see anything beyond thier own mindset.

bullsonparade
November 29th, 2003, 11:43 PM
everyone has their own opinion and their own favorite bands...so your just disrespecting everyone and saying that we are "trolls and fucking morons" because we dont like korn...

Korn377135678
November 30th, 2003, 12:09 AM
everyone has their own opinion and their own favorite bands...so your just disrespecting everyone and saying that we are "trolls and fucking morons" because we dont like korn...

Ok i will break it down for you.Your a troll instead of posting something of value like korns allways had a bad sound or how ever you would put korn is bad ,you wrote korn sucks slipknot sucks and then went on tell what bands rule.

And ditto_n is a fucking moron for after he couldnt convince Kevin06906 his musical taste is crap,he goes on to attack his religion.

Netaku
November 30th, 2003, 08:09 AM
Why Korn is pure ass now: Shitty, pretentious lyrics (http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Korn-Take-A-Look-In-The-Mirror-lyrics/AB6FF2ACA5BDD05C48256DDB002A757F) for one. Not every band has to have masterful, artsy lyrics or anything, but my God, this fucker is serious about what he does and only puts out shit now. Two, as I said, Jon Davis just has a shitty voice. He tries harder and harder to sing every album, but he CAN'T FUCKING SING.

Besides, if the point that they have very little talent doesn't guide you to the decision that they aren't worth listening to, they HAVE had a number of MTV specials. Now seriously, I really can't really name one good artist that has had a special on MTV.

I think there's a rule somewhere that if you've been on TRL, you suck.

And though I disagree with the "attack," the religion thing is kind of a valid point. Many of the best bands aren't exactly Christian Friendly, and he'd be a hypocrate for listening to them.

Kevin06906
November 30th, 2003, 11:21 AM
And though I disagree with the "attack," the religion thing is kind of a valid point. Many of the best bands aren't exactly Christian Friendly, and he'd be a hypocrate for listening to them.

Netaku...my friend...how could i be a hypocrite by listening to it? I just like the music....i don't really give a rats ass about the lyrics..because i like the type of music that you really can't understand the lyrics cause that's the way it is.

Death metal is death metal...you can't understand the lyrics...why? Cause it's death metal...a different category of music. Some people like it and some people don't.

It's not like i'm gonna listen to Slipknot lyrics and go out and be a Satanist and kill people..cause no one can brainwash me....especially people here.

I have more common sense than listeing to lyrics that tell you to go live in the ghetto like a jackass and kill people with guns and kill your parents etc. etc. AND ACTUALLY DOING IT!!!!!

CCSDUDE
December 1st, 2003, 12:25 AM
Netaku...my friend...how could i be a hypocrite by listening to it? I just like the music....i don't really give a rats ass about the lyrics..because i like the type of music that you really can't understand the lyrics cause that's the way it is.

Death metal is death metal...you can't understand the lyrics...why? Cause it's death metal...a different category of music. Some people like it and some people don't.

It's not like i'm gonna listen to Slipknot lyrics and go out and be a Satanist and kill people..cause no one can brainwash me....especially people here.

I have more common sense than listeing to lyrics that tell you to go live in the ghetto like a jackass and kill people with guns and kill your parents etc. etc. AND ACTUALLY DOING IT!!!!!

Christian Pride - American Pride - Italian Pride - Southern Pride

No ones gonna brainwash.....who?

ditto_n
December 1st, 2003, 06:30 AM
Christian Pride - American Pride - Italian Pride - Southern Pride

No ones gonna brainwash.....who?

LOL! exactly my point CSSDUDE. The truth is, music is NOT brainwashing, its emotions and whats on the lyric writer's mind. Religion on the other hand.... but i wont get into that again...

Netaku
December 1st, 2003, 02:08 PM
Netaku...my friend...how could i be a hypocrite by listening to it? I just like the music....i don't really give a rats ass about the lyrics..because i like the type of music that you really can't understand the lyrics cause that's the way it is.

Death metal is death metal...you can't understand the lyrics...why? Cause it's death metal...a different category of music. Some people like it and some people don't.

It's not like i'm gonna listen to Slipknot lyrics and go out and be a Satanist and kill people..cause no one can brainwash me....especially people here.

I have more common sense than listeing to lyrics that tell you to go live in the ghetto like a jackass and kill people with guns and kill your parents etc. etc. AND ACTUALLY DOING IT!!!!!

You're a hypocrite FOR listening to it. You were angered at Ditto for his remark about your faith, but you listen to bands who fucking hate Christianity just because you can't quite understand the lyrics themselves? What bullshit. You went from "Shows how much respect for Christianity you have" to talking about how you like Death Metal, despite it's contrasting messages to that of Christianity. That's fucking hypocritical, and anyone who has that lax of an attitude towards the importance of the meaning behind the music can't have a good taste in music, because all you seem to care about is the aesthetics.

Kevin06906
December 1st, 2003, 02:15 PM
You're a hypocrite FOR listening to it. You were angered at Ditto for his remark about your faith, but you listen to bands who fucking hate Christianity just because you can't quite understand the lyrics themselves? What bullshit. You went from "Shows how much respect for Christianity you have" to talking about how you like Death Metal, despite it's contrasting messages to that of Christianity. That's fucking hypocritical, and anyone who has that lax of an attitude towards the importance of the meaning behind the music can't have a good taste in music, because all you seem to care about is the aesthetics.

I don't give a shit about what their lyrics are...i just ignore the lyrics thathave to do with hating Christianity..i just like the way the song sounds.

PuNiShErKiLl666
December 1st, 2003, 02:54 PM
Look we all have diffrent taste in music. I for one like Korn and Slipknot thats cool dont have to say I have bad taste in music. Cause I dont say that about Ken and everyone else who likes Tool which I dont really like. Your allowed to listen to what you want.


korn is a band where johnathan davis had "mental issues" cause kids picked on him in school. he was too puss to fight back, thats why he sings this crap. and korn just sucks...they just blow...really bad

I think johnathan has ALOT more problems than that in his childhood.. maybe you should actually listen to all there songs instead of the ones on the Radio or MTV.

PuNiShErKiLl666
December 1st, 2003, 08:31 PM
I can rap a few lines to..

ketpai
December 1st, 2003, 09:39 PM
you people suck for raggin on korn so much, all of their albulms rule to me, and they have gotten me through alot of hard times in my life...(and if you dont like what im saying, you can all go burn and die....a horrible death)

also, if you mush rag on anyone in korn, choose anyone but jonathan.........or i will put a curse on you......or just severly mame you.....

Thats my word in on it..... im done now....

:: falls asleep::

Psilaxs
December 1st, 2003, 09:57 PM
Look we all have diffrent taste in music. I for one like Korn and Slipknot thats cool dont have to say I have bad taste in music. Cause I dont say that about Ken and everyone else who likes Tool which I dont really like. Your allowed to listen to what you want.



I think johnathan has ALOT more problems than that in his childhood.. maybe you should actually listen to all there songs instead of the ones on the Radio or MTV.


No one cares that he was picked on. Boo Hoo we all were. Grow the F_ck up and get over it. Or that one of his parents treated him badly as a child, I'm sure a lot of people here have similar stories of a bad child hood, or a mentally abusive parent etc.

I have read the lyrics and heard the music. And it is the same old shit.

(This will be written on the fly, just to show how easy it is)

I feel all this pain inside,
nothing will help, it just wont subside.

You left me abandoned and cold, in the dark.
Now my soul from me on a dark journey shall embark (Whoa, thats waaaay to good for Korn, but lets continue)

The darkness inside of me caused by you wont leave me be. (unintelligible screams)
All this pain is your fault CANT YOU SEE!

The pain will leave me when your dead,
The life from you I will shed (Growling and screaming *ad hoc whinning* )

I wasn't whole and content, you never had me to any extent.

You cannot control me (just let me be), you cannot see me(just let me be), you cannot understand me(just let me be),

(Refrain)
I will make you feel my pain, now I will make you see.
I give to you all the pain and hurt you gave ME!

Repeat twice.

There, you now have the next Korn hit when coupled with overly distorted guitars, and seizure induced drumming.

Lord_of_the_Dense
December 2nd, 2003, 01:53 AM
For the record, and sticking to this thread, the new singles from Korn sound good so far. The only reason they could go bad is by being overplayed, which is something the listener can control. I have all the albums. I suppose that makes me a fan. Do I suck b/c of that? Not in my opinion. I will most likely acquire the new album. Being generous, I think there may only be one song from Slipknot I like. Just not my slice of pie. I may actually prefer Mushroomhead more. Same idea, different styles. There are some great posts here and there are some severely asinine ones also. As much as I would love to get in the middle of the non-related issues on pages 2 and 3, I will wait for the appropriate thread, although one that has nothing but bitterness and hatred isn't something very appealing. But if it's flat-out stupidity, it's worth a shot. I am actually surprised the mods let this one go as far as it did.

Someone wrote about variety or something. The only reason I even saw this thread was due to my staying up for Leno to record Tori Amos. If that's not varied, I don't know what is. Talk to you peeps later.

Omyn
December 2nd, 2003, 02:06 AM
::Straps a fire extinguisher to back::

Techno is better.
:D

kyagami
December 2nd, 2003, 04:53 AM
Hopesfall is da best band in da world!

Lord_of_the_Dense
December 2nd, 2003, 07:05 PM
OFF is the way of the future
ON is the opposite of OFF
If you are not into OFF, you are ON your way OUT.

ditto_n
December 2nd, 2003, 08:10 PM
you people suck for raggin on korn so much, all of their albulms rule to me, and they have gotten me through alot of hard times in my life...(and if you dont like what im saying, you can all go burn and die....a horrible death)

also, if you mush rag on anyone in korn, choose anyone but jonathan.........or i will put a curse on you......or just severly mame you.....

Thats my word in on it..... im done now....

:: falls asleep::

Looks like im gonna go burn and die a horrible death. Truth is, I'm not trying to make this a "your band sucks, mine is cool" Its just people who go to the extent of this guy to say that all the cds of this band and every song is good, and that they can do no wrong.

Hey i liked LP's hybrid theory, but I thought meteora was the same ol shite.
I like tool, but Aenima is nothing compaired to undertoe, and only half of it is even songs.
A perfect circle is my all time fav band right now, but wtf is up with "The nurce who loved me"?

Can't everyone treat music like this? Cant everyone understand what the music is about and not base their lifes around it? god people its music, its art, if you have never heard a realy good classical song and say "hey thats pretty good" then you cant listen to music. I hate classical music, but i know a good composed song when I hear it.

baghdad_steve15
December 2nd, 2003, 09:51 PM
Oh ditto_n, let them live in their bliss of horrible music. They'll grow up eventually.

d3ft0n3s
December 2nd, 2003, 10:41 PM
sucks korn got popular when deftones didnt. but then again the last deftones album sucks.

CCSDUDE
December 3rd, 2003, 02:28 AM
Hey i liked LP's hybrid theory, but I thought meteora was the same ol shite.
I like tool, but Aenima is nothing compaired to undertoe, and only half of it is even songs.
A perfect circle is my all time fav band right now, but wtf is up with "The nurce who loved me"?

*Nurse* and actually it's a cover...

Ken shall now kill you...he knows why...

ditto_n
December 4th, 2003, 02:20 PM
is it realy? wow cause that realy fits mynard's lyrical writing except for the softness. Off i go to google who they covered.
Edit - Its by failure, anyone here recomend them?

Edit - Fark why is ken gonna whack me, was it my comment about Aenima? well hes banned right now isnt he?

edward101
December 10th, 2003, 08:21 PM
how do i download songs

Caitlyn Marble
December 10th, 2003, 08:58 PM
korn bashing has become quite popular I see.
I feel like I'm at a radiohead board.

*goes off to listen to opeth*

gomonkeygo
December 10th, 2003, 09:06 PM
i liked korn until they decided to just scream 'shut up shut up im gonna fuck you up'
when they never fuck anyone up or do anything like that.