RIAA and Michael Jackson - the disturbing truth

[camoor]

I saw a report on Mike Jackson that was really disgusting - I wish you guys could have seen it. It was talking about how the music industry supported Michael Jackson, regardless of the numerous child abuse allegations, because they needed to keep his celebrity status current so that they could keep selling "Thriller" year after year. And lets remember that Michael Jackson makes all his money from Beatles liscenses. If the RIAA is really serious about their newfound anti-child pornography stance, I sincerely hope that they stop funding the career of Michael Jackson.

[crackerjacker]

I saw a report on Mike Jackson that was really disgusting - I wish you guys could have seen it. It was talking about how the music industry supported Michael Jackson, regardless of the numerous child abuse allegations, because they needed to keep his celebrity status current so that they could keep selling "Thriller" year after year. And lets remember that Michael Jackson makes all his money from Beatles liscenses. If the RIAA is really serious about their newfound anti-child pornography stance, I sincerely hope that they stop funding the career of Michael Jackson.

wow thanks for the enlightment. cheers
today two people have already enlighted the zeropaid community.
wow i wonder what mindset you have?
whats your next post going to be about?

wow thanks man
:)

[Kevin06906]

The RIAA will do anything for money.

[stealthspy]

The RIAA will do anything for money.
Need I remind you of lawsuits involving minors? That's exploitation!

(so I stretch the meaning a little)

[crackerjacker]

The RIAA will do anything for money.

and with regard to that?
they have the right to in all honesty. if they put money our for the artists and stuff they have the right to make money.

But they do not have the right to treat there customers like criminals and keep price fixing cds.
prices of cds should fall but have they not as much.

a dvd on the other hand is very worth it.
they are cheap and reasonable.
besides there is more then the riaa, right now there are so many indie artists out there that its not funny.

independent artists are who i support and the bulk of my money will go towards them for my future purchasing, as long as i can send a money order and get the cd from them, i will purchase it from them.

the riaa this the riaa that but when it comes down to it the riaa, is nothing my friend.
what counts are the artists and what matters is how customers are treated.
peace

[origin]

The RIAA will do anything for money.


LOL. sad but true they are money greedy coroperate bastards that only care for the good of themselves f*** the music f*** the artists they just want what is to there benefit. they dangle politicans, law, and what is morally correct based on how they think it should be to best fit there needs. It's ludacris. Thats the Us for ya ;(.

l8

[CCSDUDE]

Jackson obviously has a 'boy' complex, in that he believes himself to be a child. Wouldn't you if your childhood was cut short by fame? He hasn't harmed any of these kids, people just assume he's bonking them based on the attention he lavishes on them.

The few cases he's been nailed with are probably based on money grubbing parents getting the children to go along with it.

[Omyn]

Exactly CCSDUDE,

In an interview they ask him why he likes children so much and asks about neverland and such.

His response was that his father never allowed him to have a childhood used to beat the crap out of him in practices and performances if he messed up a tune.

Great way to grow up huh, that is why he acts like this today, the child inside of him never grew up, he wants kids to have a better childhood then he did.

He has donated millions of dollars to unfortunate kids, kids with diseases, poverty, he is not a bad person.

The charges were filed against him after he finished the album...

Also the child claims to being raped, he also says that he took a pill jackson gave him and after that he doesnt remember anything, if he was raped how does he even remember if given such a drug?

[camoor]

wow thanks for the enlightment. cheers
today two people have already enlighted the zeropaid community.
wow i wonder what mindset you have?
whats your next post going to be about?

wow thanks man
:)


Quote:
"The RIAA will do anything for money."
and with regard to that?
they have the right to in all honesty. if they put money our for the artists and stuff they have the right to make money...


If you're gonna troll for Mike Jackson and the RIAA, please don't insult our intelligence by making it so obvious. You don't fool anyone when you change your name, CaptainMorgan. Or should I say... Mark Geragos.

[Psilaxs]

Jackson obviously has a 'boy' complex, in that he believes himself to be a child. Wouldn't you if your childhood was cut short by fame? He hasn't harmed any of these kids, people just assume he's bonking them based on the attention he lavishes on them.

The few cases he's been nailed with are probably based on money grubbing parents getting the children to go along with it.

Yes, it is perfectly normal for adult males to sleep with little boys......... :bk
As a MAN he should have the self control to stop what he knows to be wrong.(if he honestly believes having sleep overs with little boys IS ok, then he has a severe enough problem children should be kept from him)
A man doesn't make excuses as to why he is always a victim, he gets off his sorry ass and changes things. A man doesn't latch on with bulldog resolve to ideals of a lost childhood and correlate that into making his current actions acceptable, when nothing can change the fact that they aren't.

Even if he didn't molest them do you think it is ok? Would you let YOUR child cuddle IN BED with someone you or they have never met on a personal basis?

Stop making excuses for sick fucks CCS, it makes people doubt your integrity.

[cheapprick]

Good plan camoor, pick a fight with cj.

She's no troll, simply unique.

Omyn - A rough childhood unfortunately doesn't guarantee a caring adult. Abuse is often circular. Truth is that none of us really know what happened, despite using terms that make it seem we do. At this point it's all based on personal instinct.

The trial won't determine it either way, regardless of the outcome. If he's found guilty people will howl about a travesty, if he's found innocent, it'll be the latest case of the rich paying their way out.

[autiggertoo2005]

this thread pisses me off so bad, I don't wanna reply...I would go on forever...and would wind up flaming...but I aint gunna. I'm going to restrain myself...I swear...
:)

[crackerjacker]

If you're gonna troll for Mike Jackson and the RIAA, please don't insult our intelligence by making it so obvious. You don't fool anyone when you change your name, CaptainMorgan. Or should I say... Mark Geragos.


hmm I got your troll right here.
your so clueless and your trying to get a clue but cant.

hmm your the troll but thats ok to.
now heres a cup of stfu on the house.
cheers lamer

[Potato]

I think it's sad that money is all people care about.

[aqlo]

If you're gonna troll for Mike Jackson and the RIAA, please don't insult our intelligence by making it so obvious. You don't fool anyone when you change your name, CaptainMorgan. Or should I say... Mark Geragos.

Oh that is super-funny camoor. If anyone thought you knew what you were talking about before you have just cleared that up for them. I didn't think anything was gonna cheer me up tonight, but a good belly-laugh like this is the best medicine ever.

Thanks a lot :gj

[CCSDUDE]

Yes, it is perfectly normal for adult males to sleep with little boys......... :bk
As a MAN he should have the self control to stop what he knows to be wrong.(if he honestly believes having sleep overs with little boys IS ok, then he has a severe enough problem children should be kept from him)
A man doesn't make excuses as to why he is always a victim, he gets off his sorry ass and changes things. A man doesn't latch on with bulldog resolve to ideals of a lost childhood and correlate that into making his current actions acceptable, when nothing can change the fact that they aren't.

Even if he didn't molest them do you think it is ok? Would you let YOUR child cuddle IN BED with someone you or they have never met on a personal basis?

Stop making excuses for sick fucks CCS, it makes people doubt your integrity.

Dude stop being such a close minded fuck. You donno what he did or what he didn't do. Sleeping in the same room/bed with someone doesn't translate into 'they had sexual contact with one another'.

The guys a wack job, no doubt about it. Has he helped children/people? Yes he has. And while I can't stand him or his music I'll be damned if I go along with popular public opinion. Innocent until proven guilty, Psi.

And if you didn't notice I said nothing about him being a victim, Oymn did. :P

[autiggertoo2005]

speaking of "close minded f***s" look in the mirror, kid. By telling him all that you did...you were being a "close minded f***." One who is NOT a "close minded f***"" would accept the opinions of others. I think that Michael has destroyed his image, and he knows it. He's altering his appearance constantly to get attention..Click here to see his multiple transformation timeline. (http://anomalies-unlimited.com/Jackson.html)
He's an injured soul and needs to seek counseling. He has such talent, and he wastes it...and will soon be wasting it in prison. I really think he is semi innocent...but I am starting to doubt him..

[cheapprick]

Can we ever discuss Jackson without it teetering on the edge of being closed?

No personal attacks please.

edit - As I pointed out on the previous page, this really can't go anywhere until the trial starts pounding us with info 24/7. And probably not even then. The innocent until proved guilty theory only works if a person is considered innocent if not found guilty. How's that working for O.J.?

[RJ5500]

He has such talent, and he wastes it...and will soon be wasting it in prison.


I highly doubt he will be spending much to any time in prison. He hasn't even been on trial yet.

I think it's another $ extortion scheme brought on by someone (or their parents) who want a payoff. Sure, Michael has issues and was abused as a child. Yet, he is a multi-millionaire celebrity like Kobe Bryant. I don't think he'd give up his fame, musical icon status, money, and whole life by molesting a child.

Some people will do anything to get money.

[autiggertoo2005]

You'll do yourself good, cheapprick, by realizing I took note of my personal attack, and DID comment on Michael's current predicament. Oh, and, RJ5500 I totally agree with you... that's kinda why I said he needs some counseling. Like, someone to teach him all the stuff he didn't learn as a child. How to act normal, behave, keep a good budget, manage PR and image, etc...

[cheapprick]

LOL, well as long as I'll be doing myself good then.

[autiggertoo2005]

You would, trust me...I would kno

[cheapprick]

I think you missed my point. Acknowledging you made a personal attack isn't what I was looking for. You, and the person you're repeating(you CCS), both used personal attacks to try to make a point. It's unnecessary and against the rules.

[autiggertoo2005]

*cough*-lame rule-*cough*, c'est la vie...but I don't wanna get banned...so...yeah I'll refrain

[CCSDUDE]

I think you missed my point. Acknowledging you made a personal attack isn't what I was looking for. You, and the person you're repeating(you CCS), both used personal attacks to try to make a point. It's unnecessary and against the rules.
As did Psilaxs.

[autiggertoo2005]

let's all point fingers...good idea...onto Wacko Jacko...does anyone actually think they're going to get him imprisoned?

[cheapprick]

As did Psilaxs.


I didn't think so, based on how he worded it. To my reading, he suggested you were defending someone he was attacking, not yourself.

Semantics perhaps, but the rules only protect the members.

[Omyn]

Some people cant just "act normal" the guy suffers from extreme mental problems, though I doubt he is a bad person he would never harm a innocent child.

[CCSDUDE]

I didn't think so, based on how he worded it. To my reading, he suggested you were defending someone he was attacking, not yourself.

Semantics perhaps, but the rules only protect the members.
Stop making excuses for sick fucks CCS, it makes people doubt your integrity.

CP, I think the last line says it all.

[autiggertoo2005]

I soooo agree, OMYN, ...I was kinda stupid in saying what I did ...but I think he CAN act normal..tho it is highly likely he won't...he wants attention and his subconcious mind drives him to get all the love and attention he missed from his parents from flash bulbs and newspapers. If you listen to his music, he constantly complains about the paparazzi and news media. His songs are RIFE with comments defaming news media and police, even. D.S., Tabloid Junkie(both from HIStory), Privacy, Threatened (from Invincible), Black or White, for example....any more? I'm sure there are some. Even tho he complains about paparazzi, it is a battle of subconcious and concious thought, his subconcious and very inner child lust for attention and love and warmth, while his concious mind wishes to live a life of privacy and introverted peace.

[Omyn]

I dont listen to his music.

I wont even try to make sense of his mental problems as there are too many numerous problems :]

Oh and I read that the kid who is accusing MJ of molesting him recently stopped receiveing financial aid by MJ, sounds like she wants her money.

I just find it hard to believe that a person would build a free amusement park and help childrens charities for the sole purpose of molesting children.

I dont know but this case just doesnt feel right to me.

Its in the hands of the courts now.

[autiggertoo2005]

I applaud you...I wish MJs ppl and all the ppl against him could see the news story you speak of, omyn...I really agree with you on that...the alleged victim seems too eager to press charges, but not in a civil suit...oh well

[Stellar]

If you're gonna troll for Mike Jackson and the RIAA, please don't insult our intelligence by making it so obvious. You don't fool anyone when you change your name, CaptainMorgan. Or should I say... Mark Geragos.

LMFAO

Omg, posting requires at least 10 characters?

Good thing I'm smart enough to repeat

LMFAO

[autiggertoo2005]

wow...that didnt make sense...LMFAO

Omg, posting requires at least 10 characters?

Good thing I'm smart enough to repeat

LMFAO

[HolyMoly]

I said this in the other Michael Jackson topic area:

If this was the first time allegations of pedophilia had been made against Jackson, it would make sense to look at the allegations from all angles ... even an RIAA vendetta. But, these allegations are a deja vu of previous allegations made.

Fox News has learned that the defense team plans to suggest that the boy's mother, a crack user, had planned on trying to "hit Michael up" for money That may or may not be true. But even if true, it won't explain away the "explicit" love letters Michael wrote to the boy (I assume, on a computer) which were seized in the Neverland raid. The January 9th arraignment will not be pretty.

Here's another couple of points to ponder about Jackson. First, it's a common misconception that Jackson is teetering on the verge of bankruptcy. Not so. A recent evaluation of his financial health showed that he has $240,000,000 in outstanding debts ... which his income is not keeping pace with. BUT, he doesn't need it. Years ago, Jackson partnered with Sony in a joint venture to buy up rights to not only 256 Beatles songs but the songs of other popular groups. If Jackson were to liquidate his share of these assets, he'd have somewhere between (better sit down, kids):

$800,000,000 and $1,000,000,000

Second point to ponder. The felony that Michael Jackson is charged with has a maximum penalty of only 8 years (with a minumum of 3 years). Since Jackson's police record is clean, he'll likely get a more lenient sentence ... perhaps community service ... or at the max, the 3 year sentence. But, if Jackson serves any time behind bars, it will likely be in a more "elegant" cell somewhere (kind of like OJ Simpson). Either way, he'll still emerge from this as a very very wealthy man.

Still, that may be the worst for him. Imagine being a person used to the public limelight, adoring fans, and all that goes with it ... being forced to spend the rest of his days as a humiliated outcast, branded a sexual predator, and as such denied custody to his children (except perhaps on supervised visitations).

[nasrules]

People seem to think the RIAA are the devil...

[Malicious Intent]

No such thing as bad publicity. Whenever Micheal makes the news (mostly bad news) his singles and albums go up in the charts.

[ROMANTICGUY50]

I saw a report on Mike Jackson that was really disgusting - I wish you guys could have seen it. It was talking about how the music industry supported Michael Jackson, regardless of the numerous child abuse allegations, because they needed to keep his celebrity status current so that they could keep selling "Thriller" year after year. And lets remember that Michael Jackson makes all his money from Beatles liscenses. If the RIAA is really serious about their newfound anti-child pornography stance, I sincerely hope that they stop funding the career of Michael Jackson.

I doubt they will. They want the money from his records The RIAA cares about No Onen But D O L L A R S I G N S $$$$ The RIAA with is more intersted in dollar signs than anything else. I would have loved to see this report. Thanks for the post. THe RIAA also seues children. and doesn't care about their image. I know I won't buy a record from the record industry(RIAA) crooks.

[crackerjacker]

speaking of "close minded f***s" look in the mirror, kid. By telling him all that you did...you were being a "close minded f***." One who is NOT a "close minded f***"" would accept the opinions of others. I think that Michael has destroyed his image, and he knows it. He's altering his appearance constantly to get attention..Click here to see his multiple transformation timeline. (http://anomalies-unlimited.com/Jackson.html)
He's an injured soul and needs to seek counseling. He has such talent, and he wastes it...and will soon be wasting it in prison. I really think he is semi innocent...but I am starting to doubt him..


ok so you mean to say *speaking of close minded* fuck by telling him all that you did you were being a closed minded fuck, . one who is not a closed minded fuck would accept the opinion of others .

but you see are you accepting the opionion of cscdude right now?
your using a judgement call to. Because u just said that up above that in a sense hes a closed minded fuck because a close minded fuck would accept the opinion of others?

so your a close minded fuck to then because you didnt accept his opinion, rather then twist it around to another person you simply did or said the opposite then what you stand against.

so this fact makes u a close minded fuck as well.
say what u want, u wont get banned. just stay real is all
you cant say one thing then to expect it to be different.

but i guess your just a close minded fuck too then.
later

[noneya]

Anybody up for a game of ruba ruba? I think the prize for winning the game is $20,000,000, maybe more........

[cheapprick]

say what u want, u wont get banned. just stay real is all

You really shouldn't offer such tragic advice cj, he'd be shocked to say whatever he wanted and get banned. Your whole post shouldn't even be there, given that I just asked people not to post like that. I'm so proud, you made the exact same post autigger made. You even had to show them how to do it even worse.

[meyou123]

Well if he is found guilty send him to prison, if not enough evidence is presented to make a strong case, let him go free! The sad thing is, that even IF he is exonnerated in a court of law....in the court of public opinion, it may be another story! He could be looked on as a pervert, even if he did nothing wrong, for the rest of his life! One thing bothers me though, why did police find a secret passage with a ladder leading down to a childs bedroom ? a childs bedroom?? Why would Michael Jackson even need a secret passage?? It is said that the boy told the counslor that he was given wine and sleeping pills. So if that is even true, is it not beyond the realm of possibility that Michael could have drugged him and taken him down to that bedroom and had his way with him?? Just pure speculation on my part I know, but still a theory.

Man! I feel like I am in the middle of a Hardy Boys mystery book! I can see the title now...."Michael Jackson and the SECRET BEDROOM!" (HA! HA! HA!)

[camoor]

IMO it is a fairly naive viewpoint to believe that Michael Jackson is completely innocent. Many NFL players help out sick and underpriveledged children, but they don't want to sleep with them. My whole point was that the record labels have been supporting Michael Jackson and his highly questionable (and probably criminal) behavior to line their pockets. If we are not going to put up with the immoral and illegal actions of the Enrons, Worldcoms, and Tycos, then the record labels should be held to the same standard of corporate responsibility.

[crackerjacker]

You really shouldn't offer such tragic advice cj, he'd be shocked to say whatever he wanted and get banned. Your whole post shouldn't even be there, given that I just asked people not to post like that. I'm so proud, you made the exact same post autigger made. You even had to show them how to do it even worse.

O really cheapprick. whats the matter the truth hurts or something?
he can say whatever he wants to as long as he is real. Being real doesnt give someone the right to automatically assume beyond a shadow of doubt to be disruptive and disrespectful to others.

and my whole post should not be there?
on what substance?
and i had to show them how to do it even worse.
get off of it man.
you must really think i am going to sit here allow you to even change the way I said what I said.
I mean ok you can say what you want to and what not but when it comes down to it the truth shall set you free.

And i shouldnt even made this post?
and why not? Now i have to watch what I said to.
Well how about this.
I will say what I want and express it freely and you can ban me!
Simple as that.
Just how it goes.
Just like whatever went down with other people getting ban. That is ok.
go head ban me for expressing myself.

If it makes you feel better to say what you just say with regard to this do it.And remember this is just a forum and there are many more forums out there. And I can as easily as leave if i want to. and for a time i did leave these forums.

nothing to sweat. its not like zeropaid is the only website out there.
And with the way people expressing themselves lately and what not who wants to stick around on these forums when its a whole farce.

Censorship is good for others but u know what buddy I will say what i want as long as its presentable and if you dont seem that its presentable then o well. I can just about leave these forums just like anyone else.

So if you so desire to ban me or whatever I really dont care.
I do think you overstep your boundary as to tell me what I can post and the fact I should not even had post it in the first way.

cheers to all the censorship and rhetoric.
no sweat off my back buddie.
i aint got no more to say.

ban me :) all good
like i aint been bad before
and this time around the lameness of these forums can get taking back to who they belong.
:)
ok
so cheeers
hasta luego
:)

[RJ5500]

People seem to think the RIAA are the devil...

Indeed the RIAA is the devil. :devil

No worse!

Satan actually sent the RIAA back to the surface because the RIAA tried to take over Hell.

It's bad enough down there without the RIAA too. :devil

[cheapprick]

cj - I'll explain exactly what I mean so you don't spend the whole day throwing your arms in the air and asking the sky what could I possibly mean.

I'm fairly certain you read the entire thread, or you wouldn't have been assuring him he was fine. As such you must have seen that I had just asked people to not attack each other. No threat, simply that.

Then you assure one of them they are doing fine, and proceed to rip into him as bad or worse as he had ccs. Where is the value of that? If I had just asked to people to not break the rules what could possibly be your motivation to break them in exactly the same manner?

You can feel mistreated as much as you like, I'm not going to play that game.

[eclectica]

The big record companies have been exploiting children for a while. They sell a pop culture to them and recently have been suing them as well. Michael Jackson is the monstrous incarnation of everything the recording industry represents in its relationship to children.

[Psilaxs]

Dude stop being such a close minded fuck. You donno what he did or what he didn't do. Sleeping in the same room/bed with someone doesn't translate into 'they had sexual contact with one another'.

The guys a wack job, no doubt about it. Has he helped children/people? Yes he has. And while I can't stand him or his music I'll be damned if I go along with popular public opinion. Innocent until proven guilty, Psi.

And if you didn't notice I said nothing about him being a victim, Oymn did. :P


Most baby rapers love children and would never hurt them CCS, doesnt make their actions ok, no matter how many they help, or how much the donate.

And I am not close minded, I didn't believe it the first time it happend, I was "supportive" if you will. Now with me being older and more information being provided I think I can draw safely the conclusion that he isn't "right" with children.

[aqlo]

eclectica that is some brilliant imagery, thank you :gj

CJ I sort of disagree with you in your last response to cheapprick, I thought his answer was in good humor and generous. He didn't threaten you or delete your post or close the thread, he just commented and moved on. To me that seems like moderation above and beyond the call of duty. We should encourage that, right?

Back to Michael, I think the humane thing to do would be to have him put to sleep. He's obviously already been neutered, but he still keeps harming the neighborhood kids.

[Kevin06906]

and with regard to that?
they have the right to in all honesty. if they put money our for the artists and stuff they have the right to make money.

But they do not have the right to treat there customers like criminals and keep price fixing cds.
prices of cds should fall but have they not as much.

a dvd on the other hand is very worth it.
they are cheap and reasonable.
besides there is more then the riaa, right now there are so many indie artists out there that its not funny.

independent artists are who i support and the bulk of my money will go towards them for my future purchasing, as long as i can send a money order and get the cd from them, i will purchase it from them.

the riaa this the riaa that but when it comes down to it the riaa, is nothing my friend.
what counts are the artists and what matters is how customers are treated.
peace

Let's just say that the RIAA is another terrorist group....can we put it that way?

[crackerjacker]

Let's just say that the RIAA is another terrorist group....can we put it that way?

lets just say that you cant automatically accuse someoine of being a terrorist group because of there actions.
first of all i said what i needed to on that topic but the point is can you physically show us evidence that they are giving the money they make to terrorists?

sure there idealogy is terroristical but beyond on that they are trying to make money with regard to that.

why say terrorist? terroists kill innocent people the riaa has not physically killed anyone that i know of. If they had then i would be more incline to say such things.

But sure they are terroizing there customers that is acceptable. there is varying degrees of terroristical behaviour.
u know when u share files you are sharing them.
i dont condone people selling cds movies dvds or etc to make a profit, because that more then likely is going to fund terrorist activities.

i figure sometimes its best to watch what you say, since you must on this forum. no such thing as freedom of speech haha.

so you should clarify more or less your opinion on this topic in just summarizing what i spoke already.
none of what i said show that they are murderers, just monopolistic basterds.

so wanna clarify that kevin?
mr, kevin?
k
later

[Kevin06906]

lets just say that you cant automatically accuse someoine of being a terrorist group because of there actions.
first of all i said what i needed to on that topic but the point is can you physically show us evidence that they are giving the money they make to terrorists?

sure there idealogy is terroristical but beyond on that they are trying to make money with regard to that.

why say terrorist? terroists kill innocent people the riaa has not physically killed anyone that i know of. If they had then i would be more incline to say such things.

But sure they are terroizing there customers that is acceptable. there is varying degrees of terroristical behaviour.
u know when u share files you are sharing them.
i dont condone people selling cds movies dvds or etc to make a profit, because that more then likely is going to fund terrorist activities.

i figure sometimes its best to watch what you say, since you must on this forum. no such thing as freedom of speech haha.

so you should clarify more or less your opinion on this topic in just summarizing what i spoke already.
none of what i said show that they are murderers, just monopolistic basterds.

so wanna clarify that kevin?
mr, kevin?
k
later

It's best to watch what I say huh? Your telling me? I think you better worry about yourself over there with your signature...don't worry about what i say.

As i said before....the RIAA will do anything for money...and when i mean ANYTHING...i mean ANYTHING possible to get that green paper.

Whats wrong with callin the RIAA terrorists?

[crackerjacker]

It's best to watch what I say huh? Your telling me? I think you better worry about yourself over there with your signature...don't worry about what i say.

As i said before....the RIAA will do anything for money...and when i mean ANYTHING...i mean ANYTHING possible to get that green paper.

Whats wrong with callin the RIAA terrorists?


No you dont have to worry what you say, your zeropaids own fanboy and they love you. do you secretly bend over for them on your knees. never drop the soap brother. *u wont like that part* might call that racist huh?

i dont need to worry about myself, i rather you worry about me, since your always concern about me?
do i turn you on or something?

dont like my signature, seems like where agreeable on that one.
yeah the riaa can do what they want, and they sue the shit out of kids, and thats ok too?

hmm
nothing wrong with calling them terrorists, but they are not technically murderes, or is that an assinine statement?
but good old kevin up to his old tricks again.
later
and remember its not how u say something its what you do afterwards, and can u take back what you say?
undoubtly yes, but you will still look like a moronic fool, that that i am saying your one, i am just sayin in the general atmosphoric view point that i see.

seldom anyone can say what they want.
so cheers kevin, or brother?
welcome to the brotherhood eh?

[Omyn]

What does any of this have to do with MJ?

Now now girls calm down and share your Barbies with one another.

Cant we all just get along?

If your going to fight with each other, do it through private messages so the rest of the ZP community doesnt have to hear your whining.

[The Hunter]

Thank you, and pretty much right on the money. We dont need this bickering. Take the problems to PM.

[crackerjacker]

Thank you, and pretty much right on the money. We dont need this bickering. Take the problems to PM.

ok hunter i will pm your right away. :)
but of course i like you :)
so i will just pm you nice thoughts woot

[The Hunter]

LOL thanks, but you know what I mean, we dont need all the bickering on here. That can usually be delt with through PMs, without getting the whole site involved.

[HolyMoly]

No such thing as bad publicity. Whenever Micheal makes the news (mostly bad news) his singles and albums go up in the charts.
Actually, his last CD ("Invincible") sold only 2,000,000 copies. If he was a new artist, that would be great. But Jackson's previous albums sold 10 times that number. And, his recent greatest hits CD is being dissed at the music CD stores. In some cases, bad publicity is an asset. But when it involves child molestation, it's usually a liability.

Incidentally, anyone who is wrestling with Jackson's guilt or innocense should read the following page:

http://RIAAhumor.bravehost.com/mj.html

This is not a joke article or page.

[Afn]

I saw a report on Mike Jackson that was really disgusting - I wish you guys could have seen it. It was talking about how the music industry supported Michael Jackson, regardless of the numerous child abuse allegations, because they needed to keep his celebrity status current so that they could keep selling "Thriller" year after year. And lets remember that Michael Jackson makes all his money from Beatles liscenses. If the RIAA is really serious about their newfound anti-child pornography stance, I sincerely hope that they stop funding the career of Michael Jackson.


Jackson is a pedophile. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?db=*&q=pedophile

Michael Jackson was MTV's first mainstream black artist. There was pressure in the 1980's to get his videos on MTV.

BEAT IT, BAD, THRILLER, I think he was trying to tell us something in his music.

Child sexual abuse is serious, and hopefully this will educate people about this issue.

Research shows that most pedophiles were abused children. Some children grow up and do not abuse others, some children grow up and become abusers. Sexual abuse is common in families, churches and even in our schools (more verbal and physical abuse)

If you would like to know more you can use the web. Sometimes a story like this triggers past abuse or unresolved issues. If that occurs, seek competent professional therapy.

You do not have to live with gult, shame and denial that often occurs in abused and sexually abused children.

'Neverland' will exist no more. Hopefully this will stop Jackson from abusing any more children.

[Omyn]

How does that prove he's a pedophile?

Just because he was physically and mentally abused by his father, which caused enough trauma for him to never emotionally mature into an adult?

He was not sexually abused as a child, he was physically abused after performances if he messed up during his shows.

[crackerjacker]

Jackson is a pedophile. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?db=*&q=pedophile

Michael Jackson was MTV's first mainstream black artist. There was pressure in the 1980's to get his videos on MTV.

BEAT IT, BAD, THRILLER, I think he was trying to tell us something in his music.

Child sexual abuse is serious, and hopefully this will educate people about this issue.

Research shows that most pedophiles were abused children. Some children grow up and do not abuse others, some children grow up and become abusers. Sexual abuse is common in families, churches and even in our schools (more verbal and physical abuse)

If you would like to know more you can use the web. Sometimes a story like this triggers past abuse or unresolved issues. If that occurs, seek competent professional therapy.

You do not have to live with gult, shame and denial that often occurs in abused and sexually abused children.

'Neverland' will exist no more. Hopefully this will stop Jackson from abusing any more children.


how the hell is he a pedophile?
were you there when this happened. You need concrete evidence in the physical form.
If you read some more information about the case you would realize that the alledge accuser's family was dependent on Micheal Jackson for financial support. Now that he is no longer giving them money they sue him?

yeah so u do the math.
ok he could be guilty but you still cant call him a pedohpile unless you have actual pictures of him doing this to the kid.

yeah he was also accused of this last time but no criminal charges were ever made. so if he did this he will get whats coming to them.

in jail they do not like rapists, or pedophiles so you more then likely see that these people gets whats coming to him.
if he did the crime.

well when he is convicted, then u can say he is a pedophile, but for now hes only accused of this.

[Afn]

how the hell is he a pedophile?
were you there when this happened. You need concrete evidence in the physical form. 1)
If you read some more information about the case you would realize that the alledge accuser's family was dependent on Micheal Jackson for financial support. Now that he is no longer giving them money they sue him?

yeah so u do the math. 2)
ok he could be guilty but you still cant call him a pedohpile unless you have actual pictures of him doing this to the kid. 5)

yeah he was also accused of this last time but no criminal charges were ever made. so if he did this he will get whats coming to them. 3)

in jail they do not like rapists, or pedophiles 3 so you more then likely see that these people gets whats coming to him. 4)
if he did the crime.

well when he is convicted, then u can say he is a pedophile, but for now hes only accused of this.
1) the deposition that was posted was very explict. the man is a ped·o·phile ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pd-fl, pd-)
n. An adult who is sexually attracted to a child or children.

2) I sure would not pay 40 Million dollars to settle an unfounded claim.

3) I do not think he will be going to prison. Only time will tell.

4) educated people can reason at why. A jury will be given evidence. Did he or did he not?

5) Kids do not lie about this issue. Read the deposition, Jackson went to rent-a-wreck because his car broke down?

The man could afford a new BMW every month!

I think he is a serial ped·o·phile. Our jails are full of people and a jail is a very violent enviroment. We can argue causes, but many people agree that he should never molest another child.

If he his convicted, I bet he will get a suspended sentence.

[Afn]

How does that prove he's a pedophile? 1)

Just because he was physically and mentally abused by his father, which caused enough trauma for him to never emotionally mature into an adult? 2)

He was not sexually abused as a child, he was physically abused after performances if he messed up during his shows. 3)


1) The deposition is explicit. It is a case study.

2) Some abused kids become adult abusers, some do not.

3) Sexual abuse of children is something that our society is trying to end and stop. The quick answer is this, if you were sexually abused as a child, do not repeat the pattern (abuse others). If you abuse others as an adult, by definition your a peophile.

There is no good reason for jackson to lure kids to his 'neverland' ranch or to sleep with them.


In the USA, as a culture we do not approve of adult child sexual relationships.

Drew Cary said he was sexually abused, and talked about it in his book. ...Dirty jokes and beer ? I think that was the tittle

[Afn]

I said this in the other Michael Jackson topic area:



Either way, he'll still emerge from this as a very very wealthy man.

Still, that may be the worst for him. Imagine being a person used to the public limelight, adoring fans, and all that goes with it ... being forced to spend the rest of his days as a humiliated outcast, branded a sexual predator, and as such denied custody to his children (except perhaps on supervised visitations).

Your post is great.

If it stops him from molesting children, I think that would be great.

Make him do public speaking on abuse and peophilla.

[Malicious Intent]

1) the deposition that was posted was very explict. the man is a ped·o·phile ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pd-fl, pd-)
n. An adult who is sexually attracted to a child or children.

I read in the paper that it infact means someone who loves children, which we all do. They gave another word meaning to lust a child. But I think they were looking at the latin (or greek or whatever), not the dictionary definition.
The rest of the papers were having a discussion about whether these people should be named and shamed.

[Kevin06906]

No you dont have to worry what you say, your zeropaids own fanboy and they love you. do you secretly bend over for them on your knees. never drop the soap brother. *u wont like that part* might call that racist huh?

Your saying "eh?" to me? I have no clue of what you are talking about in this paragraph...so ill say the same thing back to you............eh?

dont like my signature, seems like where agreeable on that one.
yeah the riaa can do what they want, and they sue the shit out of kids, and thats ok too?

So lets say this.....the RIAA sues young kids because they are downloading music and sharing music on the network........which is illegal...and the law..so the law applies to EVERYONE..no matter who you are and what age you are. (Don't give me that..."Well the little kid didn't know" crap......

It's the law and people get alerted by their ISP of when they get warned for uploading music...so you can't say "I did not know" cause you already got a warning.

For example...a little kid sexually assaults another kid.....does the little kid get away with it if he/she gets caught? No...but there is always a punishment to teach the kid a lesson.....

So now, this little girl in seattle is getting sued...so what isn't the little girl going to do next time?.......yeah........not download and share any more music.

[CCSDUDE]

Most baby rapers love children and would never hurt them CCS, doesnt make their actions ok, no matter how many they help, or how much the donate.

And I am not close minded, I didn't believe it the first time it happend, I was "supportive" if you will. Now with me being older and more information being provided I think I can draw safely the conclusion that he isn't "right" with children.


Start with a blanket statement then switch gears and say you're not close minded nice. :mellow

'Babyrapers'/child molesters are rarely pedophiles, they want control yet are pussies so they control the weakest of the weak; children. Pedophiles on the other hand don't wish to control nor rape children. So even if MJ is a pedophile and not the man-child some make him out to be, I still doubt he's 'raped' anyone.

Oh and I've never supported him plus I don't like his music...lol

[CCSDUDE]

1) the deposition that was posted was very explict. the man is a ped·o·phile ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pd-fl, pd-)
n. An adult who is sexually attracted to a child or children.

2) I sure would not pay 40 Million dollars to settle an unfounded claim.

3) I do not think he will be going to prison. Only time will tell.

4) educated people can reason at why. A jury will be given evidence. Did he or did he not?

5) Kids do not lie about this issue. Read the deposition, Jackson went to rent-a-wreck because his car broke down?

The man could afford a new BMW every month!

I think he is a serial ped·o·phile. Our jails are full of people and a jail is a very violent enviroment. We can argue causes, but many people agree that he should never molest another child.

If he his convicted, I bet he will get a suspended sentence.

1)Your definition is wrong: stop buying into popular opinion.

2) If he has enough to buy a new BMW every other month he sure as hell has enough to buy people off. Even if he didn't do it he'd probably pay them off just to keep his name clean (cleaner then it is anyway).

3) Doubtful...he's a 'star' after all.

Btw - it's obvious you've been conditioned by the media. Every other word is a some anti-pedophile buzz word or phrase. :P

[Kevin06906]

Guilty or not..they should take his kids away from Jackson.....cause when Jackson put his kid over the balcony ledge..that should of been a wakeup call.

What happened if he dropped the kid? He'd be in jail for killing his son...and for being an asshole that he already is.

[Kevin06906]

Everybody is concerned about the mother in this case...everybody is saying that she needs help for giving her son over to Michael Jackson for the night to "play".

Who cares about the mother....this case is for Michael Jackson and about how he either did molest the kid or not.

It's all excuses for Michael Jackson to be innocent and saying it's not his fault...its the mothers fault for letting her kid sleep with Jackson.

[Psilaxs]

Start with a blanket statement then switch gears and say you're not close minded nice. :mellow

'Babyrapers'/child molesters are rarely pedophiles, they want control yet are pussies so they control the weakest of the weak; children. Pedophiles on the other hand don't wish to control nor rape children. So even if MJ is a pedophile and not the man-child some make him out to be, I still doubt he's 'raped' anyone.

Oh and I've never supported him plus I don't like his music...lol

Yup, starting on the defensive so split hairs over definitions.

ANYONE that has sex with children are baby rapers. Do you really believe a small child is aware enough to have consensual sex with an adult? Sure they can be coerced, but that isn't rape? Nobody gives a rats ass about the intricacies of pedo VS baby raper, or the true definition of peadophile as being someone who just really loves children :mellow The accepted denotation is someone who sexually abuses children. But from your point of view sexual abuse of children is something that is not possible. :bk

[crackerjacker]

Yup, starting on the defensive so split hairs over definitions.

ANYONE that has sex with children are baby rapers. Do you really believe a small child is aware enough to have consensual sex with an adult? Sure they can be coerced, but that isn't rape? Nobody gives a rats ass about the intricacies of pedo VS baby raper, or the true definition of peadophile as being someone who just really loves children :mellow The accepted denotation is someone who sexually abuses children. But from your point of view sexual abuse of children is something that is not possible. :bk


hmm
You hit it right on the nail. Even if the child is 9 or 10 years old and the adult takes it upon themselves to have sex with a minor its still considered sexual abuse. You can call it rape, sexual abuse or pedophillia. The point is a kid as young as this age does not have the mindset to consent legally.

In the adults mind they mind think its consenual but its not. That is just sick you know. As you know any type of excuse will be made by the adult saying that is was ok or its simply alright to have sexual relations with a child.

This is merely not the case. I dont care who the hell thinks its ok to have sex with a child its wrong.
But in this case with Micheal Jackson, people are judging him based on his past. I just believe that he is not guilty until the verdict is made that he is.

But everyone has the right to their opinion on whether or not he is guilty.

No one has the right to their opinion when it comes to fact with regarding to The idea that a child is capable of having consensual sex once again with an adult is totally fabricated. Their mindset is not capable of this. Lets get real.

Well I just feel that Micheal Jackson will get justice. And if that justice means being found guilty then so it will be.
Anyhows anyone can argue till their blue in the face that a kid having sex with an adult is norma.l No its not ok for this to happen.

The way I see it is that a child is to be protected and no one has the right to do this to a child and take away their innocence or whatever. And if Micheal Jackson did this then he will pay.

later.

[crackerjacker]

1) the deposition that was posted was very explict. the man is a ped·o·phile ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pd-fl, pd-)
n. An adult who is sexually attracted to a child or children.

2) I sure would not pay 40 Million dollars to settle an unfounded claim.

3) I do not think he will be going to prison. Only time will tell.

4) educated people can reason at why. A jury will be given evidence. Did he or did he not?

5) Kids do not lie about this issue. Read the deposition, Jackson went to rent-a-wreck because his car broke down?

The man could afford a new BMW every month!

I think he is a serial ped·o·phile. Our jails are full of people and a jail is a very violent enviroment. We can argue causes, but many people agree that he should never molest another child.

If he his convicted, I bet he will get a suspended sentence.

Um anyone get set a deposition. It does not mean that the deposition that is set in motion would do much?

When the facts are issued or presented to a grand jury to charge him with a crime then it will be up to the prosecution to make their case.

As soon as that happens its a matter of time before what is presented to the jury. They have to pick a jury, have procedural calls and what not.

Then the defense has to set their case in motion as well. By that time when the trial is ready to begin the facts by the prosecution will be told to the jury, then the defense gets to present there opening arguements.

The fact that a deposition is issued doesnt mean much. Anyone can write one. The point or fact is when the evidence is presented, and when the jury is ready to deliberate then the evidence will be considered.

Up into then Micheal Jackson is not guility until proven other wise.
Hell you can say anything about him, and anyone can write stuff down on a paper.
Man its all about the truth. And one way or another it will come out. I hope for the sake of all this if he is really guilty then he can rot in jail.
And I do help the kid fights it all the way to the court if this did happen.As long as the kid testifies and presents the facts then the outcome will be what it is.

peace

[The Hunter]

CJ, i agree with you. He is obviously different, the cause of his problems i wont even pretend to know. Untill the evidence is presented to a jury, and he is found either innocent, or guilty, i will not judge his guilt. He is innocent untill proven guilty. Although i do think he is one strange dude.

[DudeAsInCool]

I thought (CheapPrick's) answer was in good humor and generous. He didn't threaten you or delete your post or close the thread, he just commented and moved on. To me that seems like moderation above and beyond the call of duty. We should encourage that, right?

Yes, we should. A tip of the hat to you CP, and to Hunter for his diplomacy.

While the circumstantial evidence doesnt look good, Michael Jackson should be judged innocent until proven guilty. Being weird and hanging out with kids, doesnt mean you're having sex with them, so who really knows?

[Afn]

Btw - it's obvious you've been conditioned by the media. Every other word is a some anti-pedophile buzz word or phrase. :P

Clinical pedophilia
Clinically, pedophilia is defined, to give one definition (from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders 4th edition, Text Revision, American Psychiatric Association): Diagnostic criteria for 302.2 Pedophilia


A. Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger).
B. The person has acted on these urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies cause marked distress or interpersonal difficulty.
C. The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in Criterion A.
Note: Do not include an individual in late adolescence involved in an ongoing sexual relationship with a 12- or 13-year-old.
Clinical pedophilia can be diagnosed solely in the presence of "fantasies" or "sexual urges" on the subject's part -- it need not involve criminal sexual acts with children. Pedophilia is not a legal category or term, and although the acts pedophiles desire to carry out are crimes, these crimes are not legally referred to as "pedophilia". Pedophilia in itself is not a crime -- only acting upon such urges is.

Sometimes a clinical distinction is made between pedophiles and "situational offenders" -- a distinction, however, which is not reflected in the APA's definition above. A pedophile, according to this distinction, is a person whose primary sexual attraction is to children, while a situational offender is someone who engages in sexual activity with children not as their primary sexual preference but due to a particular situation they are faced with, and would not otherwise engage in such activity except for that situation.


Underage sex
Since the age of consent is often higher than the upper age limit in the definition of clinical pedophilia, underage sex, i.e. sexual activity with underage adolescents, is not, in general, clinical pedophilia. While such activity may be illegal in a particular jurisdiction, it frequently exemplifies only borderline pedophilia, or far more commonly, no pedophilia at all, because the person's attraction is not specifically to persons that young. The terms hebephilia and ephebophilia are sometimes used to describe attraction to youths or adolescents, distinct from attraction to children.

Most cases of father-daughter incest are believed to involve fathers who are situational offenders, rather than clinical pedophiles. Some have argued that these cases are caused by the withdrawal of the mother (often due to mental illness) from the family -- this withdrawal is more than purely sexual.

Modern cultures in general strongly condemn underage sex and regard it as a very serious crime, based on the idea that children are not sufficiently mature to be able to consent to sex and that sex with children is therefore rape.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia



-- No, you are wrong. I do know my facts.

[The Hunter]

Seriously, I do not feel this is the place to discuss such issues. This is becoming too deeply involved in clinical deffinitions. Sorry but this thread is closed.