Come here to download or share ogg files

[dreams]

http://bitzi.com/society/Music
I just started it, going to take me some time to get all my files loaded, but join and contribute your ogg files.

[Rickio]

how would you like to join a group of a few folks who love music and want to build a community?

you sound like you love music and that's what our group is all about.

check out my www link below. membership by invitation but anyone wanting to join just make contact and sure thing...

reason is to insure we have a good cool mellow group.

we communicate via listserv and are working on a website.
we need people like you :-)

it's brand new so come on! ;-)

anyone else interested just ask ...

[dreams]

Well, what does this group do? What does it involve? I just updated my group today at bitzi.com. All my files, are encoded to the best setting in ogg. This way, when converting to wav, they will be damn close to cd quality. They can be kinda large. But good sounding music is worth some space.

People need to join and post their files, so we can do away with mp3's. Ogg is the new mp3.

[Ken17625]

I don't know much about encoding and such. I used FreeRIP MP3 to encode an ogg file from a CD track. I noticed that the ogg file had a variable BR. Can you encode an ogg file with a constinent BR?

[dreams]

Check this site out for help concerning the ogg format. I like the vbr and wouldnt even consider using a constant with ogg, or even mp3 for that matter.
I have used irc maybe once, but I would consider checking it out again for the sake of filesharing.

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=10

[Þ£®FéçT!øÑ]

I have over 1500 OGG files to share, and currently adding them to your bitzi society. I'm member "perfection".

[dreams]

I saw that, tight shit man, some of your music pretty good. Btw, what setting you using on encoding?

[Rickio]

you asked what the group does?
it's about sharing and informing each other. A extension of what you and other like mined people are doing. It's just for fun and the differance is we can post files and hashfiles for each other, share files etc. It's your imagination and it's what ever your might want it to be. Well in regards to music and p2p stuff :-)
We talk about new music, what we like and stuff like that.

why don't you accept pm's. might be easier than replying like this , but like I said anyone who has interest in music is welcome. if you have more question please pm me...
If you might note, this website/forum is more generaly oriented in regards to p2p, we are music lovers. That is how we would dfferentiate and also we want more freedom to do more in regards to sharing and giving info. etc.

ok? :-)

[Þ£®FéçT!øÑ]

Originally posted by dreams
I saw that, tight shit man, some of your music pretty good. Btw, what setting you using on encoding?

If your talking about me, i convert to Variable at 64k. I know its not the best quality, but for the size i think its good quality. Doesnt sound too bad

[dreams]

The files are beginning to stack up now, but we need more people to contribute.

[crackerjacker]

hi, mp3 is here to stay. but yes, posting information and links for ogg format is pretty cool.
kindly post a tutorial here ok?:bk

[dreams]

This site has good things to help you understand the difference between them both mp3 and ogg
http://www.vorbis.com/faq.psp.

This one will help you with any others.
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=10

We the filesharing crowd must keep an open mind to new things. The quality of formats are getting way better then mp3. Mp3 had to start somewhere and so shall ogg, But the more people finding out that ogg is better will convert. One thing for sure is dont convert your mp3's into ogg. It wont help. I can explain more if needed. But mp3's highest quality is 320kbps and Vorbis is 500 plus.

[Foreverboard]

Originally posted by dreams
mp3's highest quality is 320kbps and Vorbis is 500 plus.

do you really need the quality that high? 500+

[crackerjacker]

good information there dreams, rtw*

[dreams]

Considering im getting free music and its great quality, Hell yea i want it that high. I burn all my music and im sick of getting shitty quality music. I encode mine that high for others to get. If wav wasnt so damn big, I would use that. But Vorbis(Ogg) is a good compression method. Why do you want it so small?


http://news.com.com/2100-1023-945228.html?legacy=cnet&tag=lthd

[Foreverboard]

it not that I want it small, i encode all my MP3's at 320. But can you truthfully tell a difference in the sound past that? I mean past 128, there is really no way of telling the difference. Even the most sensitive reciever or sound system wont sound any different past 320. So you are makeing larger files for people to upload, or is it just so you can say "hey all my music is at 500+ kbps?" I mean each to there own it dosent matter, but listen to one at each level of encoding and truthfully tell me you can tell differences.........

between 128 and 320 there willl be a liitle difference past that, a dog couldnt tell.

[evilmegaman]

What can I use to play OGG files with?

[dreams]

My friend, I can sit here and argue with u, But compare them. Go to the sites I posted and read. You will see that 320 isnt the max it can go. If you dont want to open your mind to other things, then thats your problem. I encode mine like this because I like the sound and I do tell a difference in sound quality. Research it.

[evilmegaman]

Originally posted by evilmegaman
What can I use to play OGG files with?

This isn't an argument dude :P

[Foreverboard]

i am not tring to argue, and I know that 320 isnt the highest, and I do have an open mind, i have no Idea where you got the plan that I wasnet, i hope its not because I dont encode mine higher or with Ogg? I am sure its a good format for people who want to use it and I dont down it at all, anything like that is good for us.
So............have fun

[123_kid]

it's too bad that there isn't an ogg encoder with presets such as "alt-preset-standard" or "alt-preset-extreme". that would help create a standard for encoding ogg files instead of just encoding at quality 10. if anything, remember that the quality that is the default for most ogg encoders is quality 3 which in most cases is better than a 128kbs mp3. if you're into very high quality music, you should look into the mpc format.

[Ken17625]

"do you really need the quality that high? 500+"

Well I don't I guess. MP3 w/192 or 256 bitrate is good for me. I don't mind 320 either. Oh and "Foreverboard". Are all your posts cynical? In almost every post i've read from you its been mean spirited or negative or putting something down or just plain not helpful. I guess maybe some people just aren't happy at all in these fourms.

[jabba|xtra]

I encode my ogg files at quality 5 setting. Its an average bit rate of about 160. It sounds very good and file sizes for an average song are usually 2mb smaller than mp3.


Originally posted by evilmegaman
What can I use to play OGG files with?

Since it looks like nobody answered your question, winamp 2.80, 3.0 will do it, and older versions of winamp will do it with a plug in.

[Ken17625]

Whats the best program to encode OGG files at a constant BR?

[jabba|xtra]

Ogg sounds a lot better in variable br but to my knowledge, cdex is the only program i can think of that you can set all 3 values for max, min, and average to the same and then it should be constant bit rate.

[dreams]

Here are some thoughts and a link for you to check it out.

How big are Ogg Vorbis files? How do they compare to MP3 files at similar bitrates?

Two files encoded at the same bitrate, will always be the same size, if they are both encoded with CBR (Constant Bitrate). The current Vorbis encoder can encode files in VBR (Variable Bitrate) which can produce smaller files with better quality, since it doesn't have to waste data for audio that is easy to encode. Files produced by the Vorbis encoder at the default quality will be similar in size to 110kbps MP3 files, but will sound better.

What is the maximum bitrate at which Vorbis can be encoded?

Theoretically, there isn't one. Vorbis is tuned for bitrates of 16kbps to 128kbps PER CHANNEL. But there's nothing in the spec that says you can't encode a file at 512kbps or 8kbps. The current encoder supports the following bitrates: 64-500kbps stereo and 32-256kbps mono (at 44.1kHz sampling rate). Lower bitrates will be officially available in future versions.

What other unique features does Ogg Vorbis have?
V
orbis has a well defined comment header that is easy to use and extensible and obviates the need for clunky hacks like ID3 tags. Vorbis has bitrate scaling - a feature that lets you adjust the bitrate of a Vorbis file or stream without reencoding; just chop the packets up in the sizes you want them. Vorbis files can be sliced and edited with sample granularity. Vorbis has support for many channels, not just 1 or 2. Vorbis files can be logically chained together.


http://www.vorbis.com/faq.psp

Im just trying to help those interested.

[dreams]

What does the "Quality" setting mean?

For now, quality 0 is roughly equivalent to 64kbps average, 5 is roughly 160kbps, and 10 gives about 400kbps. Most people seeking very-near-CD-quality audio encode at a quality of 5 or, for lossless stereo coupling, 6. The default setting is quality 3, which at approximately 110kbps gives a smaller filesize and significantly better fidelity than .mp3 compression at 128kbps.

[Rickio]

I personally like high quality music files also.
But if a person is a true audiophile or stickler ( I am not )for technicalities.
One would have to say that ogg vorbis and mp3 are lossy formats. In otherwords if one wants perfect digital quality one should use ape (monkey audio format) shn or other lossless formats.
The human ear can not hear above a certain threshold, so in fact if a copy is not perfect, one would not be able to hear it. Now that is where the argument lies, as some people claim to be able to hear more than others and I don't think that is arguable as it is a personal preferance.
For me and many others 192kbps and 320kbps are good enough and sound good on decent sound systems.
I did not say high end sound systems, but decent sound systems.
I mentioned this before.
That the high quality that high end sound systems are all about is in my opinion a waste of money as one cannot hear concert level sound in ones home and expect to live their long. Exceptions are if you live on a ranch etc.
My humble opinions.

Peace !

[Apple bonker_Beatles fan]

Originally posted by Rickio
how would you like to join a group of a few folks who love music and want to build a community?

you sound like you love music and that's what our group is all about.

check out my www link below. membership by invitation but anyone wanting to join just make contact and sure thing...

reason is to insure we have a good cool mellow group.

we communicate via listserv and are working on a website.
we need people like you :-)

it's brand new so come on! ;-)

anyone else interested just ask ...

" You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him wash his junk in it.....nor should you want to! :shy "
John Jenkins

[Apple bonker_Beatles fan]

Originally posted by Rickio
I personally like high quality music files also.
But if a person is a true audiophile or stickler ( I am not )for technicalities.
One would have to say that ogg vorbis and mp3 are lossy formats. In otherwords if one wants perfect digital quality one should use ape (monkey audio format) shn or other lossless formats.
The human ear can not hear above a certain threshold, so in fact if a copy is not perfect, one would not be able to hear it. Now that is where the argument lies, as some people claim to be able to hear more than others and I don't think that is arguable as it is a personal preferance.
For me and many others 192kbps and 320kbps are good enough and sound good on decent sound systems.
I did not say high end sound systems, but decent sound systems.
I mentioned this before.
That the high quality that high end sound systems are all about is in my opinion a waste of money as one cannot hear concert level sound in ones home and expect to live their long. Exceptions are if you live on a ranch etc.
My humble opinions.

Peace !
I find that as long as the music you listen to is the music you like, your ear can be very forgiving! I am a HUGE BEatle frek, and would love to find others to trade bootlegs with! E-mail me at:
[email protected]