Moderators.

[PhilT]

I have just finished reading this thread;
http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=910

I was thinking "when is a moderator going to step in and stop these personal attacks", it never happened. Now I see why, you are the moderaters. I'm gobsmacked.

Anyway a question if I may, what version of BearShare were you arguing about?
Cheers,
Phil.

[Morgwen]

Originally posted by PhilT
I was thinking "when is a moderator going to step in and stop these personal attacks"

...

Anyway a question if I may, what version of BearShare were you arguing about?
Cheers,
Phil.

Which attacks? Sephiroth and me aren´t good friends this is no secret, but I think not that he attacked me... he is only unfriendly like I am - did I mention that we aren´t friends? This is a VERY long story...

Btw we aren´t the only mods here, if anybody of the other mods think we went over the line he can edit it...

We were talking about the version 4.0 with the security options!

Morgwen

[PhilT]

Thanks for clearing that up. So just for information, I operate as a Shareaza ultrapeer, I get loads of connections from BearShare v4 so I assume that not many users take advantage of the blocking feature.
Cheers,
Phil.

[Morgwen]

Originally posted by PhilT
I get loads of connections from BearShare v4 so I assume that not many users take advantage of the blocking feature.
Cheers,
Phil.

Which kinds or connections? I believe mostly incoming...

The problem is there are several settings for this "security feature".

You can choose that bearshare blocks all icoming (non bearshare) connections but is able to connect to other nodes... this means you will sure find many bearshare uploads but I guess only a few downloads.

Morgwen

[Sephiroth]

If you choose secure connections for hosts it doesnt connect to non-secured nor accept incoming it works in both directions and not just incoming..

Also if you have the secure channel for uploads i believe other servents wouldnt be able to understand it or where it came from so it shouldnt be displayed by servents that doesnt support it.. As far as i know if your using a non-bearshare program and get a bearshare result you should be able to download from it..

Its turned off by default so many users dont use it..

As for the thread i dont see where there are personal attacks and although i dont agree with many of morgwens views on gnutella and vice versa.. That is all see of it, my personal feelings has nothing to do with anything because i simply dont care.. Why should get i angry for something that someone ill never know or meet says? I personally dont know nor really care to know so i think it would be foolish to make personal judgements? However how they present themselves and their actions online IMHO is fair game because it doesnt neccessaryly mean thats how they are in real life..

[cheapprick]

Morgwen,
Nice to see you're still around.

[Morgwen]

Originally posted by Sephiroth
If you choose secure connections for hosts it doesnt connect to non-secured nor accept incoming it works in both directions and not just incoming..

JJJecj71 posted a screenshot on bearshare.net (I wanted to post the link but I can´t reach the site at the moment).

This screenshot shows exatly which settings are possible and which not. there is an option to block incoming non bearshare traffic and you can choose if you want to download from all nodes or ONLY bearshare nodes.

I will post the link tomorrow.

Also if you have the secure channel for uploads i believe other servents wouldnt be able to understand it or where it came from so it shouldnt be displayed by servents that doesnt support it

Of course its possible...

When you choose to download from all nodes there is no problem, if you choose to download from ONLY bearshare nodes the client requests some encryted data and knows if this is a bearshare node or not... so it is of course possible that you can download from all clients while blocking all non-bearshare traffic!

Morgwen

[Morgwen]

Originally posted by cheapprick
Morgwen,
Nice to see you're still around.

Yes I am still alive. :fire

I have some private problems thats why I am not very often online at the moment.

Morgwen

[Wheelz_Off]

Here are the setting from 4.0.2 beta 17. Looks to be what Sephiroth explined, note he was refferring to the hosts, you can choose wither or for uploads and downloads.

[evilmegaman]

Oh so you can leech on bearshare... Anyways in that thread you guys acted like we weren't alive so never do that again :(

[roger d]

this was a weekly war of words. Kind of the Morgwen and Sephiroth Show. Mostly these guys fought like jr. High School girls but I don't want to go to deep or all of my posts will disappear. Entertainment value yes, ZP idol, no. It is to have Morgwen back he is a straight shooter and has a ton of information but watch out Bearshare thread these guys can go on at length.

[evilmegaman]

yup that's very true.

[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by evilmegaman
Oh so you can leech on bearshare... Anyways in that thread you guys acted like we weren't alive so never do that again :(

Maybe if you said something more than one-two sentences then maybe it would have gotten a reply..

BTW you can set any program to "leech."

and since was megaman "evil?" ;)

roger d lol funny stuff...

Seriously though this thread is a month old.. Why does it need to be dragged up all over again now? Let forever be..

[evilmegaman]

Oh yeh it's just this program offers you to leech :sw And umm about when megaman was evil.. I made up evilmegaman but megaman is definately the good guy:wings

[Sephiroth]

You can leech with other gnutella programs by turning off sharing altogether.. Which i consider someone who turns just uploads on is not that much different than someone who turns it off altogether because its rare that they would get a upload anyways..

[roger d]

a little humor is good. We all have our opinions and some are more vocal than others but noone is twisting our arm to post here. I find a ton of humor on these pages.:wings

[Morgwen]

Originally posted by Sephiroth
You can leech with other gnutella programs by turning off sharing altogether..

Which?

The only ways I know to leech with other Gnutella clients is to leave your folder blank or to diconnect from the hosts while downloading... but none of them has "the easy way to leech" features.

And I really ask me why this leeching feature is called security... if Vinnie thinks other Gnutella clients are hostile and unsecure, he should block the traffic in both ways!

Morgwen

[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by Morgwen


Morgwen

There is alot more ways to set gnutella programs to freeload than that.. Numerous ways with some programs.. Ill be more than happy to post how to change the settings to freeload for every major gnutella program if you want?

If you want to go off on another one of your bearshare bashing threads then please do me a favor and go do it somewheres else. Because not only is it the last thing that gnutella needs right now and if you just want to exploit network issues to use in your own personal vendetta then please go do it elsewheres.

[Morgwen]

Originally posted by Sephiroth
If you want to go off on another one of your bearshare bashing threads then please do me a favor and go do it somewheres else.

I say what I think and I do it where it is allowed!

But maybe you can post your bearshare propaganda somewhere else?

I didn´t see arguement from you, its not enough to say that I bash bearshare... if I am right... IF NOT where are your arguements? As usual when you are out of arguements you try to badmouth me *yawn*.

Originally posted by Sephiroth
You can leech with other gnutella programs by turning off sharing altogether..

I asked you which and I am still waiting for an anwser... Yes there are more ways to FREEload but I don´t think we should discuss them here - but NONE of these ways is such easy as the FREEloader features in bearshare!

Morgwen

[evilmegaman]

Well Noone should freeload. It stinks. But Vinnie has actually been helping shareaza for a week so I will try not to bash him but for many of us... that isn't an easy task. I think that if you want security just get a firewall and a virus scanner! Anyways what makes Bearshare users so much safer than the others (not including Qtrax.):devil

[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by evilmegaman
Well Noone should freeload. It stinks.

That it does but if someone decides to freeload then they will find a way to freeload and making them go into setup to do it isnt a deterrant of any kind since the majority allready know that the sharing settings is usually in setup.. I didnt post the instructions in how to freeload in all these programs because i dont want people to actually do it.

Heres the list of all the gnutella programs i was able to stop sharing or uploads with.. I used all the ones listed on gnutelliums.com + the newcomer ares.

Ares
Bearshare
Gnucleus + clones
Limewire
Phex
Shareaza
Swapper
Xolox

Why sharing is allowed there is probably a legal reason behind it also but in the end the program runs on a persons computer and they have the freedom to do what they want to on there pc.. Even if all programs forced sharing with no way to turn it off people would wanted to freeload would still find a way. Napster force shared the download folder for some time and that didnt stop people from freeloading there were small programs to allow people to freeload.

Anyways Morgwen you have made it no secert that you personally dont like vinnie, bearshare or me for that matter and im saying if your only here and posting for personal reasons then maybe your posting for the wrong reasons It seems to me that youll find any reason to start bashing..

If im wrong then please explain why you have made the most posts in this one forum(32 at time of this post) and all of them negative? That ill leave to argue with yourself as well as future tyrates..

[evilmegaman]

Morpheus is now a freeloading product that MAKES you freeload. Now I can't even hate vinnie! I just hate morpheus to the CORE.:finger

[Morgwen]

Originally posted by Sephiroth
Heres the list of all the gnutella programs i was able to stop sharing or uploads with.. I used all the ones listed on gnutelliums.com + the newcomer ares.

Ares
Bearshare
Gnucleus + clones
Limewire
Phex
Shareaza
Swapper
Xolox

Seph...

I was able to stop sharing with ALL Gnutella clients... but I asked you which one have such "easy way to FREEload" features? Xolox sure has not and the others at least the last time I checked them... so you can´t compare it here!

Anyways Morgwen you have made it no secert that you personally dont like vinnie, bearshare or me for that matter and im saying if your only here and posting for personal reasons then maybe your posting for the wrong reasons It seems to me that youll find any reason to start bashing

I have no problem with bearshare... only with Vinnie and you... I told you why.


If im wrong then please explain why you have made the most posts in this one forum(32 at time of this post) and all of them negative? That ill leave to argue with yourself as well as future tyrates..

Because I don´t like some of Vinnies new features and I want to inform the people about it. You told me that you are neutral and support ALL Gnutella clients, please tell me why you defend bearshare and why do you promote bearshare so much? Perhaps you are a VIP on bearshare.net or are you paid by Vinnie? And please explain me why you are bashing all other Gnutella clients if you are NEUTRAL?