Bullsh*tty whiny excuses from record companies

[towel402]

1st one: Something like "buying cd's helps the music industry import new talent into the market"

Well half of all the "new" "talent" cant sing anyway, they fade away after a few months, they change their voices so much with digital editing their voices sound syntethic. All they really need is a bit of half decent looks, of course they plaster them up with make up anyway so even thats not essential.. And these are all young people they get, like 18, just old enough to sign their stupid 300 page contract. They are all amazed at the sum of money they offer them i'd be suprised if it was more than 100 grand a year, and they get this back within the first day of realeasing their songs anyway. To be fair its better than most other jobs they could get such as "shovel shit out of shed" <-- thats an actual job description from a newspaper in 1993/94.
It might end up costing them 2 million to get one of those bands going, but they always get shitloads more back.. And i dont see all the money they get back being used to get more talent again really.. maybe 2% of it, 5 if your lucky.

No they use it all for fat paycheques for managers, dividends for the shareholders, and reserves.. they just hog it all and keep it.


2. 1150 jobs cut due to piracy or something? that was on this site

Yes, of course blame piracy for it. Half the country is getting unemployed because the economy is going bad and they couldnt be arsed to spend their money on buying cd's.
The electronics and pharmaceutical companies blame it on a downturn in the economy when they fire people.. why should it be any different for music companies.

3. DRM allows the developers to create better content

No. To say this would be just like saying communism would work. And this isnt something i'm making up, i already see this in magazines where they would sell a 128x128 jpeg image for €6. There is already so much competition out there that these "content providers" would simply die if they purposely slackened off in fears of piracy, and would be taken over by products made by 40 year old business men who sit there with their little compiler or composer making stuff and sending it on to people. So DRM doesnt allow them to make better stuff, im convinced their already trying to make the best stuff possible in the case of software and such, but not for these jpeg images with DRM that get sent to your mobile phone. they just rip some image from a porn site, resize it, stuff an ad for it on some cheap magazine. and everyone who gets it pays €6 for it, the worst thing is you cant send it on. Thankfully you can still get your little datacable and get that same image off pornsite with your comp, but me thinks they will try and remove that feature too in the near future, or at least make it hard. They will make the absolute minimum that hyper 13 year old boys and gurls will still buy and make a living, just like communism, they do just enough work so they can honestly say they worked and get paid for it, but nothing really gets done at the end of the day

4. Downloading is stealing.

They like to compare this to you walking into someone else and taking the TV set. When you steal a TV set the people you rob it from must buy a new one. So they lost out.
When you download something its more like you walking into that persons house causing absolutely no damage on your way in, taking the TV set and putting it into the *cough* duplicating machine you have in the back of your van, copying the TV and putting the tv back just how you found it and driving off. The guy who owns the house doesnt have to go and buy a new TV, but just the manufacturer might have, potentially not sold one more TV, which you probably wouldnt have bought anyway even if you didnt have a magic duplicating machine in the back of your van because you couldnt afford it or couldnt be bothered.

Alot of the stuff thats downloaded people wouldnt buy anyway if they couldnt get it for free, or is too old to buy without ordering and waiting weeks.


im theres more crap they put out on newspapers over the last 3 years that i cant think of rite now.. Just cause the cheap disposable 18 year old boy bands with the syntethic voices and the faces plastered in make up arent doing so well as they used to doesnt give them the right to blame it all on us evul p2p users

[mr.jip]

guide us...you are the chosen one

[Malicious Intent]

Welcome to the club towel402!

[Atheist Icon]

DRM allows the developers to create better content

No. To say this would be just like saying communism would work.

I agree with you wholeheartedly with your entire post..except for the above comment....communism works...take a look at the military. i know...no revelance whatsoever with the post...sorry..

[Sephiroth]

Communism does not work. It failed, its not coming back and if it does then it wont work very well, so get over it. It cannot survive today.

The extreeme leftists are not friends of file sharing. Far too often file sharing and p2p some people have tried to link to leftists propoganda and ideals which are completely wrong and makes assumptions of the ideals behind file sharing that are nonexistant to try to popularize their political "message."

In the beginning of napster no one was spouting off liberal ideals constantly, politics was never an issue until the RIAA got onto the scene, and politics is not the driving force behind P2P. In communism the state(government) owns all media and controls all the media and so a central group decides what is put out and what isnt and that is why it helps the RIAA more than anything and is another reason why its a bunch of bull.

Other than some parts being a little redundent i think the orginal post points out alot of the RIAA propoganda which some unfortantely some p2p users believe and even practice the RIAA sterotype becuase they are mislead into thinking that is what p2p is about.

[Malicious Intent]

Looks like we are shortly going to find the answer to that WW3 thread!

[towel402]

its gonna start by a 12 year old kid throwing a petrol bomb at the riaa headquarters.. then another one... then a 5 year old guy.. then 500 snotty little kids all throwing petrol bombs at it... then off to microsoft hq and do the same

[Star Guitar]

No! Not Microsoft and their army of evil monopolybots! The poor children!

But seriously, good article. I print stuff out like this to give to my friends. I recommend others to do the same. That is, as long as towel doesn't plan on suing me for copyright ifringement. (^_^)

[Sephiroth]

Theres really not much new to it all the points he made ive seen in news stories in the past.

[DudeAsInCool]

Communism does not work. It failed, its not coming back and if it does then it wont work very well, so get over it. It cannot survive today.

The extreeme leftists are not friends of file sharing. Far too often file sharing and p2p some people have tried to link to leftists propoganda and ideals which are completely wrong and makes assumptions of the ideals behind file sharing that are nonexistant to try to popularize their political "message."

In the beginning of napster no one was spouting off liberal ideals constantly, politics was never an issue until the RIAA got onto the scene, and politics is not the driving force behind P2P. In communism the state(government) owns all media and controls all the media and so a central group decides what is put out and what isnt and that is why it helps the RIAA more than anything and is another reason why its a bunch of bull.

Huh? Are you suggesting the RIAA, the Media Oligopoly or the FCC are communists? Since when did the radical left adopt file sharing to spread their dogma? On the one hand you blame the media, etc. for regulation, but then blame the left for utilizing P2P for freedom of speech. You've got to be kidding....

[Sephiroth]

Huh? Are you suggesting the RIAA, the Media Oligopoly or the FCC are communists? Since when did the radical left adopt file sharing to spread their dogma? On the one hand you blame the media, etc. for regulation, but then blame the left for utilizing P2P for freedom of speech. You've got to be kidding....

I think you misunderstood part of my post. My point was not saying that the tradegroups or the government wants to be communists. I said that under a system where the government or anyone would have complete control over all media which is ultimately what the radical left want then that would benefit the RIAA more than anyone else.

Which it's surprizing that some people support it, being mislead that if all media was a public good which then "everything would be free" but since it would also ultimately be completely under control of the government so it wouldnt be as free as some people think it would be. Which IMO its no different than the Anti-P2P propoganda being spread by the RIAA and other tradegroups.

When did the radical left start? When napster became popular thats when almost everything started. You have to be blind not to notice it.

[DudeAsInCool]

I think you misunderstood part of my post. My point was not saying that the tradegroups or the government wants to be communists. I said that under a system where the government or anyone would have complete control over all media which is ultimately what the radical left want then that would benefit the RIAA more than anyone else.... When did the radical left start? When napster became popular thats when almost everything started. You have to be blind not to notice it.


I may have misunderstood part of your post. However, I don't think the Industry's greed and the RIAA have anything to do with left or right.

Most of us in Hollywood are not in favor of government regulation; we don't like ANY type of censorship. However, most of us have grave concerns over the growth of the media oligopoly and their reach, and are in favor of restricting its growth; even Barry Diller believes some regulation is in order.

I'm not sure where you are going re: the radical left after Napster--can you give me some examples of what you fear?

[The Gauge]

If the US had their way, everything would have a dollar value attached to it, nobody would own anything, anything you wanted would be 'leased' to you for a fee each time you needed it and, once they've finished patenting all known DNA, life itself would be subject to an annual license fee with a disclaimer of liability.

God Bless America.

[aqlo]

No! Not Microsoft and their army of evil monopolybots! The poor children!

But seriously, good article. I print stuff out like this to give to my friends. I recommend others to do the same. That is, as long as towel doesn't plan on suing me for copyright ifringement. (^_^)

It isn't really towel you need to worry about being sued by is it?

[Sephiroth]

If the US had their way, everything would have a dollar value attached to it, nobody would own anything, anything you wanted would be 'leased' to you for a fee each time you needed it and, once they've finished patenting all known DNA, life itself would be subject to an annual license fee with a disclaimer of liability.

God Bless America.

Your post makes no sense and is just full of ignorant sterotypes or apply to all countries not just the US.

If nobody would own anything then why would anything need a dollar amount attached to it?

Your acting like US is the only country with patents and copyrights. I know its easy to blame the US for everything, especially since it has been done for such a long time but just blaming another country and assuming that its only going to happen there is a naive and foolish thing to do IMHO.

[The Gauge]

Your post makes no sense and is just full of ignorant sterotypes or apply to all countries not just the US.

If nobody would own anything then why would anything need a dollar amount attached to it?

Your acting like US is the only country with patents and copyrights. I know its easy to blame the US for everything, especially since it has been done for such a long time but just blaming another country and assuming that its only going to happen there is a naive and foolish thing to do IMHO.

In my opinion, it's the US that's leading, manipulating and influencing a great majority of economies.

And the dollar value attached to things is for their use, not their ownership, like a car rental.

[Sephiroth]

In my opinion, it's the US that's leading, manipulating and influencing a great majority of economies.

And the dollar value attached to things is for their use, not their ownership, like a car rental.

Thats because you dont know anything about Economics and because your ignorant on how it really works you invent fairy tale conspriacies and sterotypes to fill in the blanks.

You can buy goods and services with money. Goods are physical things that you purchase for their use, service your paying for a service whether its a accountant to do your taxes or paying to be able to use a rental car on a trip.

[The Gauge]

Thats because you dont know anything about Economics and because your ignorant on how it really works you invent fairy tale conspriacies and sterotypes to fill in the blanks.

You can buy goods and services with money. Goods are physical things that you purchase for their use, service your paying for a service whether its a accountant to do your taxes or paying to be able to use a rental car on a trip.

If I buy a toaster, I don't expect to pay a fee each time I want to toast a slice of bread using it. If I pay for an album, I expect to own it on a medium that allows unlimited playback at any location on any medium I choose. I'm not claiming that I can't do that now, but look at what's going on around you; Pay-Per-View, CD's that allow limited burns and limited copies to playback devices, yearly software licenses, patents, forced upgrades.... They're global issues that all companies are desperate to get on board, but it's still the US that's driving the legislation through law and territorial economics that's putting increasing amounts of power in the hands of the corporations. That's all I'm saying.

And the fact remains that the US has the economic muscle to impose severe levies on any country it imports from or exports to if they don't play ball. As a single example, thanks to the breakdown of your country's relationship with France, the Anglo-French Concord business has now been discontinued due in part to the enormous levies placed on French flights into the US thanks to their refusal to back the US lead occupation of Iraq. Look up the word "sanctions" as well when you've got a moment.

I'm sorry if you don't agree with me, and my comments are not directed at you personally, more the powers that be that control your country.

In all fairness, if you'd been living in the UK for the past 30 years watching US culture and industry infiltrate each and every facet of our daily lives, you might have a better understanding of the economic forces that you claim I'm so ignorant about.

[Sephiroth]

If you had lived in the US for that same amount of time and knew more about what your talking about you wouldnt be so quick to blame all your problems on the
US.

Typical blame the corporations because you again are ignorant on how things really work and therefore fill in the blanks with negativity, assumptions, conspriacy theories, and sterotypes. Why because things are different here and its hard for you to understand a system which is completely different from the one you do understand. That and your blaming the US for the decisions that you or your country makes and does go both ways which is why its easier to blame instead of change.

The critical flaw in your arguement is that france could and probably has increased levies from the US to so your arguement fails.

[The Gauge]

Whatever, mate. ;-)

[HolyMoly]

2. 1150 jobs cut due to piracy or something? that was on this site

Hehe. You reminded me of a bumper sticker on the back of city busses in my locale, "347 cars are at home because I'm on the road." The sticker implies that people would rather ride the bus than drive. The truth? Most people who ride busses don't have a car. Others ride busses because their car is in the shop. And some ride busses because they don't mind adding time to their commute when busses stop every so many blocks to pick up or let off passengers (aka stupid people) ... or because their bus systems are heavily subsidized by government (making it seem cheaper than driving until they check their tax bill).

In the file-sharing world, some of those jobs are lost because consumers don't have the $18 to plunk down every time they hear a popular song. The rest are lost due to music quality issues on an album (2 good songs, 12 clunkers). But, the real truth is that nothing is lost at all. The only jobs lost are jobs that would never exist in the real world.

People inclined to buy CDs will continue to buy them depending upon the state of the economy at any given time. And people inclined to not buy CDs will continue to not buy them ... making any real loss a phantom loss that looks impressive on the industry's website but doesn't pass muster in the logic department.
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